Some Questions About Planetary Squares Answered

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

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I would also like an answer to this question if possible. It's extremely important to me for targeting specific problems in my chart which could be potentially life saving.
High Priest, I will also quote you in my thread for the astrology subforum and humbly request a reply when you have time.

I have an issue with quotes on the forum, they can become jumbled and not show up. If you could please post the link here or do send an e-mail, and I'll make it a point to answer.

 

[Stormblood]

Guys, I am not sure where you got the idea that squares do not need affirmations. So many of you are coming forward with it, and it's not the first time it happens in the short to mid term. No advanced member has ever stated that squares don't need affirmation, so I don't understand where you get these fancy ideas. They always stated the opposite.
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Lady Pythia herself even stated ALL raised energy needs to be programmed, so that applies to meditation as well. If you don't programme the energy, the majority of it will be dissipated, leading to drastically lower and slower results.

I know, but this is how common misconceptions are made. I am now very glad this thread was made and I was prompted by Asmodeus to look into some replies on the forum. It was rather alarming that this has went on for very long.

Please everyone always ask questions no matter how simple they might be. The Forum exists for people to answer other people and help them advanced in the past.

YES, the Squares DO need affirmation on the end of them.

Yeah, I found it really alarming. At this point, I hope they keep asking instead of assuming. They deserve full results.

 

[SeekerOfTruth666]

Guys, I am not sure where you got the idea that squares do not need affirmations. So many of you are coming forward with it, and it's not the first time it happens in the short to mid term. No advanced member has ever stated that squares don't need affirmation, so I don't understand where you get these fancy ideas. They always stated the opposite.

The squares are also in the intermediate section of witchcraft. This assumes you read the articles in the beginner and information sections, such as "Magick 1001: the Three Steps of Witchcraft", which has been there for at least 10 years and a half.

Lady Pythia herself even stated ALL raised energy needs to be programmed, so that applies to meditation as well. If you don't programme the energy, the majority of it will be dissipated, leading to drastically lower and slower results.

I misunderstood what HPS Pythia stated, i think the same happened to some others as well.

When you are finished with the vibration, if you are working on tangible prosperity [non-spiritual] goals, it is important to direct the energy you raised by stating an affirmation several times while visualizing your goal in the present reality and present tense.

Reading that part made me to believe that affirmations were required only for non-spiritual goals.
But you are absolutely right Stormblood, it's a bad misconception. We should all understand the very basics and know that those basic stuff applies to everything else.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Guys, I am not sure where you got the idea that squares do not need affirmations. So many of you are coming forward with it, and it's not the first time it happens in the short to mid term. No advanced member has ever stated that squares don't need affirmation, so I don't understand where you get these fancy ideas. They always stated the opposite.

The squares are also in the intermediate section of witchcraft. This assumes you read the articles in the beginner and information sections, such as "Magick 1001: the Three Steps of Witchcraft", which has been there for at least 10 years and a half.

Lady Pythia herself even stated ALL raised energy needs to be programmed, so that applies to meditation as well. If you don't programme the energy, the majority of it will be dissipated, leading to drastically lower and slower results.

Well at first I thought since it said it strengthened the planet the spiritual working didn't require any affirmation. The material I thought did. I did quite a few squares no affirmation they lasted a bit then kind of dissipated. I figured that out and started adding affirmations and they worked better.

 

[Stormblood]

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Onwards and upwards

 

[darkmonkey666]

extremely, extremely informative and helpful as always. Thank you so much for this clarification H.P. Cobra.

Oh darn it, I posted this and then immediately thought of a question about the squares I didn't realize I had, So I apologize for the split post here.

I wanted to ask actually if you could provide some more insight into what a planet's "detriment" or "fall" is specifically. I can infer it's when the planet is working in it's weaker or opposite capacity, but I wanted to know specifically why this should be avoided. Is it because it will be ineffectual? or is it because it's actually working it's opposite intentions?

I made the sort of startling realization today that I was beginning squares in the past on the date the proper sign was with the moon, rather than the planets actual date for itself. So I am wondering that I may have in the past preformed a square during its fall or detriment by accident. I do not know for certain these past squares "dates" because they were several years back.

Should I be concerned about having possibly done squares during a fall or detriment? If I have, what can I come to expect from the experience (could this be a reason for negativity in my life?), and what can I do to heal/ rectify the situation properly? (other than just, preforming them correctly in the future.)

So sorry, and I really must say I can't thank you H.P. Cobra and everyone here for your very dedicated responses, answers and patience. Thank you all very much for your help.

Yes, detriment and fall are hard aspects and works in the opposite fashion. This corresponds to the more "negative" energies of the planet. The energies are ruthless, bold, and may bring misfortunes. Meaning, great obstacles may arise and will not be satisfactory or positive for you.

Stay with the plantes home- and exalted signs. These are when the planets have their strongest and finest energies, that works in your favor. The kabbalistic squares also corresponds better to these signs (I think).

Detriment is more weak in energy in my experience while fall is more the negative aspects of the planet may not be quite as weak in energy.

Moon Scorpio for example. Chaotic and violent intense moody this sign is too intense for the planet it causes people that have it to probably have all sorts of emotional problems and negative feelings they may have difficulty controlling themselves in some cases. I do not think the energy was weak at all from it there though if anything too intense.

Another One Venus Virgo the sign of Virgo is not great for setting up a relationship it tends to bring out being critical of a partner and overanalizing what really should be a deeper experience where a person let's go the person will probably drive their partner nuts with focus on little details. Pisces actually is the perfect way of going about a relationship. The energy here is kind of weak and you barely feel it.

Another example: Mars Cancer
The planet Mars really doesn't much belong here at all in the realm of home and family and roots. It is more violent and agressive it would be likely the person would be over moody about everything and feel insecure. The energy isn't greatly weak more not useful for what Mars represents.

Now Detriment can bring out negative things but it's more a weakness in energy. The sign represents the opposite things the planet is used too so it has trouble operating there.

This is my theory.

 

[luis]

Guys, I am not sure where you got the idea that squares do not need affirmations. So many of you are coming forward with it, and it's not the first time it happens in the short to mid term. No advanced member has ever stated that squares don't need affirmation, so I don't understand where you get these fancy ideas. They always stated the opposite.

The squares are also in the intermediate section of witchcraft. This assumes you read the articles in the beginner and information sections, such as "Magick 1001: the Three Steps of Witchcraft", which has been there for at least 10 years and a half.

Lady Pythia herself even stated ALL raised energy needs to be programmed, so that applies to meditation as well. If you don't programme the energy, the majority of it will be dissipated, leading to drastically lower and slower results.

I misunderstood what HPS Pythia stated, i think the same happened to some others as well.

When you are finished with the vibration, if you are working on tangible prosperity [non-spiritual] goals, it is important to direct the energy you raised by stating an affirmation several times while visualizing your goal in the present reality and present tense.

Reading that part made me to believe that affirmations were required only for non-spiritual goals.
But you are absolutely right Stormblood, it's a bad misconception. We should all understand the very basics and know that those basic stuff applies to everything else.

You are not the first confused by that part, it needs to be modified for sure. As a general rule, any energy you raise needs to be directed with an affirmation, cleaning too.

 

[tyrantmage]

Wow this answered so many questions I had! Thanks HP

Could you further elaborate on 2 and 4?

2, I don't understand what you mean.

4, what about slight changes? For example, I am doing a Jupiter Square and and during GRAAM I had a cackle in the back of my throat during the R on accident. This was a week ago now.

Also, this may not relate but sometime when I'm doing the square I second guess the number I am at even though I'm using a calculator. is this just an issue of awareness?

I've been really trying to work with Lady Agares to help answer these question but it doesn't hurt to ask my HP.

I think what HP Zevios Metathronos means is that in astrology the day always begins at sunrise 6am and ends tomorrow sunrise at 6am so a new day begins tomorrow at sunrise. HP Zevios Metathronos clarified this in a post a few months ago I think. If I'm not mistaken it was an Ritual schedule when he mention that the astrological day begins in that hour. About the doubts on your number the same happens to me although I still havent done any squares, it happens on my regular workings like when I use algiz for aura of protection. I use my fingers to count then suddenly a thought comes up saying I'm off by 1 count. Whats worse is that most of the time I end up believing that thought so after the meditation I end up either having less vibrations or more vibrations of the intended rune than what is listed in my program. Perhaps this is one of the reason why my workings have weak results. Plus add to that my weak soul then boom! We have a garbage working that doesn't work at all. Any advice on this brothers?

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Wow this answered so many questions I had! Thanks HP

Could you further elaborate on 2 and 4?

2, I don't understand what you mean.

4, what about slight changes? For example, I am doing a Jupiter Square and and during GRAAM I had a cackle in the back of my throat during the R on accident. This was a week ago now.

Also, this may not relate but sometime when I'm doing the square I second guess the number I am at even though I'm using a calculator. is this just an issue of awareness?

I've been really trying to work with Lady Agares to help answer these question but it doesn't hurt to ask my HP.

Feel free to ask what is needed, we can accelerate the answering.

4. That should be OK, unless you uttered something else. If you vibrate Greem instead of Graam, you need to redo.

2. Check out planetary hours. Based on the conventional time calendar, the "day" changes at 12 AM. That is not accurate. The real day changes on about 6 AM broadly based on Planetary hours and the Sunrise in each location.

 

[ManofZeus]

I have a good question.
If the moon sign is in pisces like on the 6th of January, is it okay to do a Jupiter square with an affirmation of wealth or abundance. Is the application of a square regardless of the moon sign.
Thank you
HAIL SATAN!

 

[ManofZeus]

I don't know how to thank you, HP, for this very useful post. I was making some squares and this post was very useful and will be very useful.
Just one question, similar to the one they have already asked you, please: can you perform two squares of the same planet in the same period (with different statements of course) but BOTH with material purpose (Nama)?

Yes you can, cos I think u got power to do whatever you want, but that's not the answer.
The Answer is No. U can't do same material square twice at the same time. Makes no sense..

Oops I used the verb To Make instead of the verb To Do. I got distracted. I read and reread everything before sending it, but I was wrong to write this time.
However I meant: for example to start a Square of the Material Sun for wealth and a Square of the Material Sun for popularity. But in the same period.

Obviously no, can't use same energy for two different affirmations. You can do a Venus material for money then a sun material for popularity.

 

[SeekerOfTruth666]

Guys, i need a bit of advice. I started a Jupiter Square last Thursday, its my first time doing a Jupiter Square. The first day i noticed a bit of pain around the top of my head right after i was done for the day. After i vibrated the mantra on the second day, the pain at the top of my head came back and since then its getting stronger. It doesnt really feel like a usual headache. Its like a subtle pain that's hovering at the top of my head. This may sound weird but its like the pain is not touching my head, but floating inside, hard to explain.

I know that Jupiter energy effects the Crown Chakra, but i wanted to ask you guys if its normal to experience symptoms like this after Crown Chakra stimulation.
I am feeling extremely light headed, im very sensitive to light and sound and sometimes I feel like i'm hallucinating a little (feels like objects are morphing/moving).

One thing I am a bit of concerned about is that I was diagnosed with epilepsy when i was a kid and I have had several episodes of seizures since then. It's been over 10 years since my last seizure though. I have somewhat frequent migraine headaches as well. So I am not really sure if stimulating my Crown Chakra is making my condition worse or if I am experiencing just Crown Chakra stimulation effects.

No matter what's up, I intend on continuing and finishing the Jupiter Square.
I'd appreciate any thoughts from you guys.

 

[TOP EGYPTIAN]

I have a good question.
If the moon sign is in pisces like on the 6th of January, is it okay to do a Jupiter square with an affirmation of wealth or abundance. Is the application of a square regardless of the moon sign.
Thank you
HAIL SATAN!

Please can someone answer this, because I got the same pressing question.

 

[TOP EGYPTIAN]

Guys, I am not sure where you got the idea that squares do not need affirmations. So many of you are coming forward with it, and it's not the first time it happens in the short to mid term. No advanced member has ever stated that squares don't need affirmation, so I don't understand where you get these fancy ideas. They always stated the opposite.
...

Lady Pythia herself even stated ALL raised energy needs to be programmed, so that applies to meditation as well. If you don't programme the energy, the majority of it will be dissipated, leading to drastically lower and slower results.

I know, but this is how common misconceptions are made. I am now very glad this thread was made and I was prompted by Asmodeus to look into some replies on the forum. It was rather alarming that this has went on for very long.

Please everyone always ask questions no matter how simple they might be. The Forum exists for people to answer other people and help them advanced in the past.

YES, the Squares DO need affirmation on the end of them.

Please do the moon sign affect the intention of the square. Fore example can I still do a material sun Square for wealth when the moon sign is in pisces.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Guys, I am not sure where you got the idea that squares do not need affirmations. So many of you are coming forward with it, and it's not the first time it happens in the short to mid term. No advanced member has ever stated that squares don't need affirmation, so I don't understand where you get these fancy ideas. They always stated the opposite.
...

Lady Pythia herself even stated ALL raised energy needs to be programmed, so that applies to meditation as well. If you don't programme the energy, the majority of it will be dissipated, leading to drastically lower and slower results.

I know, but this is how common misconceptions are made. I am now very glad this thread was made and I was prompted by Asmodeus to look into some replies on the forum. It was rather alarming that this has went on for very long.

Please everyone always ask questions no matter how simple they might be. The Forum exists for people to answer other people and help them advanced in the past.

YES, the Squares DO need affirmation on the end of them.

Please do the moon sign affect the intention of the square. Fore example can I still do a material sun Square for wealth when the moon sign is in pisces.

Each planet is not affected by other planets, except of avoiding the void moon to begin a square.

When to start the square is decided by the planet you'll work on itself.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

I have a good question.
If the moon sign is in pisces like on the 6th of January, is it okay to do a Jupiter square with an affirmation of wealth or abundance. Is the application of a square regardless of the moon sign.
Thank you
HAIL SATAN!

You can use a general planetary configuration to help the square a little bit, but the primary focus should be the planet that rules the Square, so Mercury for Mercury Square etc.

 

[Woodlandman]

I have a good question.
If the moon sign is in pisces like on the 6th of January, is it okay to do a Jupiter square with an affirmation of wealth or abundance. Is the application of a square regardless of the moon sign.
Thank you
HAIL SATAN!

You can use a general planetary configuration to help the square a little bit, but the primary focus should be the planet that rules the Square, so Mercury for Mercury Square etc.

Is power of squares limited only to my power level?

 

[ManofZeus]

I have a good question.
If the moon sign is in pisces like on the 6th of January, is it okay to do a Jupiter square with an affirmation of wealth or abundance. Is the application of a square regardless of the moon sign.
Thank you
HAIL SATAN!

You can use a general planetary configuration to help the square a little bit, but the primary focus should be the planet that rules the Square, so Mercury for Mercury Square etc.

Thank you HP
Please what do you mean by a "general planetary configuration?

 

[Henu the Great]

I have a good question.
If the moon sign is in pisces like on the 6th of January, is it okay to do a Jupiter square with an affirmation of wealth or abundance. Is the application of a square regardless of the moon sign.
Thank you
HAIL SATAN!

You can use a general planetary configuration to help the square a little bit, but the primary focus should be the planet that rules the Square, so Mercury for Mercury Square etc.

Thank you HP
Please what do you mean by a "general planetary configuration?

He meant that other planets like, lets say the Moon in Aries while the Mars is in Aries would be marginally better than Aries Mars and the Moon being in Pisces, for example (when working with Mars-things). The main point is always to work with the planet you are working with, while everything else comes secondary.

 

[ManofZeus]

You can use a general planetary configuration to help the square a little bit, but the primary focus should be the planet that rules the Square, so Mercury for Mercury Square etc.

Thank you HP
Please what do you mean by a "general planetary configuration?

He meant that other planets like, lets say the Moon in Aries while the Mars is in Aries would be marginally better than Aries Mars and the Moon being in Pisces, for example (when working with Mars-things). The main point is always to work with the planet you are working with, while everything else comes secondary.

Thank you big much, Henu the great. I get it.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

The question has been asked several times and the answer should interest the Zevism.
Do Jupiter squares cause weight gain?

Is it mainly the spiritual squares or the material squares?

Is the statement "In a safe and healthy way for me" enough to avoid weight gain due to Jupiter energies?

Jupiter is already my Chart Ruler and I have started a series of Jupiter squares, I would really like to avoid weight gain!!

Thank you !

Under normal circumstances, no. However, if you notice any such event and you see that it's not a theoretical but realistic knowledge, you might want to compensate with an opposite energy in meditation, such as Mars or something similar.

Unless explicitly used to increase your weight, it won't. But it might empower the placement of Jupiter in your own Chart, which, if it's for example Conjunct Moon or opposition Sun, could increase weight depending on the use of the square and if you used it directly to empower the influence of said planet natally.

It depends in simpler words on the use, but generally, no. The affirmation of healthy and positive here would safeguard from further unwanted outcomes, yes.

 

[Ariadne the Scribe]

However I meant: for example to start a Square of the Material Sun for wealth and a Square of the Material Sun for popularity. But in the same period.

As another person said this is not possible. But I also want to note that popularity is for spiritual purpose, not for material. And for this question (if you can do both material and spiritual of the same square) see here: https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=314819#p314819

 

[luis]

HP, can we use the squares to clean and remove negative karma from our chakras?

For example, using the Mars square to remove sexual problems and in general the negative karma from the 2nd chakra?

In the Jos it says it can be used to empower the chakra and remove problems from the natal position of the planet but it does not specifically says about what I'm asking. Thank you in advance.

 

[ManofZeus]

So I've been thinking about all the while I did a few squares [the spiritual] and never made an affirmation. Wow was a waste. I'm glad for the clarification.
I remember times I did the Mars spiritual squares without affirmation and got fever and I became scared of it,i know now that it's simply because I did not make an affirmation.

Well the squares are here now, and we got so many Jupiter squares to utilize. I'm going to maximize them so well. Can't wait for the sun and Venus squares[cos I did those without affirmation]. And how I did not know that one could miscount and still rectify it without stopping the square.
Thank you so much HP Zevios Metathronos

 

[ManofZeus]

However I meant: for example to start a Square of the Material Sun for wealth and a Square of the Material Sun for popularity. But in the same period.

As another person said this is not possible. But I also want to note that popularity is for spiritual purpose, not for material. And for this question (if you can do both material and spiritual of the same square) see here: https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=314819#p314819

I really thought popularity is a material thing.

 

[AryanSister]

Is there a difference between material and spiritual squares? Let's say you're doing a Jupiter Square for material reason and you also want to do a Mars square for material. If I haven't opened all main chakras yet, would this create blockages?

 

[DarkPagan666]

Oh darn it, I posted this and then immediately thought of a question about the squares I didn't realize I had, So I apologize for the split post here.

I wanted to ask actually if you could provide some more insight into what a planet's "detriment" or "fall" is specifically. I can infer it's when the planet is working in it's weaker or opposite capacity, but I wanted to know specifically why this should be avoided. Is it because it will be ineffectual? or is it because it's actually working it's opposite intentions?

I made the sort of startling realization today that I was beginning squares in the past on the date the proper sign was with the moon, rather than the planets actual date for itself. So I am wondering that I may have in the past preformed a square during its fall or detriment by accident. I do not know for certain these past squares "dates" because they were several years back.

Should I be concerned about having possibly done squares during a fall or detriment? If I have, what can I come to expect from the experience (could this be a reason for negativity in my life?), and what can I do to heal/ rectify the situation properly? (other than just, preforming them correctly in the future.)

So sorry, and I really must say I can't thank you H.P. Cobra and everyone here for your very dedicated responses, answers and patience. Thank you all very much for your help.

Yes, detriment and fall are hard aspects and works in the opposite fashion. This corresponds to the more "negative" energies of the planet. The energies are ruthless, bold, and may bring misfortunes. Meaning, great obstacles may arise and will not be satisfactory or positive for you.

Stay with the plantes home- and exalted signs. These are when the planets have their strongest and finest energies, that works in your favor. The kabbalistic squares also corresponds better to these signs (I think).

Detriment is more weak in energy in my experience while fall is more the negative aspects of the planet may not be quite as weak in energy.

Moon Scorpio for example. Chaotic and violent intense moody this sign is too intense for the planet it causes people that have it to probably have all sorts of emotional problems and negative feelings they may have difficulty controlling themselves in some cases. I do not think the energy was weak at all from it there though if anything too intense.

Another One Venus Virgo the sign of Virgo is not great for setting up a relationship it tends to bring out being critical of a partner and overanalizing what really should be a deeper experience where a person let's go the person will probably drive their partner nuts with focus on little details. Pisces actually is the perfect way of going about a relationship. The energy here is kind of weak and you barely feel it.

Another example: Mars Cancer
The planet Mars really doesn't much belong here at all in the realm of home and family and roots. It is more violent and agressive it would be likely the person would be over moody about everything and feel insecure. The energy isn't greatly weak more not useful for what Mars represents.

Now Detriment can bring out negative things but it's more a weakness in energy. The sign represents the opposite things the planet is used too so it has trouble operating there.

This is my theory.

On the planets individual aspects this is somewhat correct. When doing spells, doing it in their negative or opposite fashion is never ideal. Which is why you should stay away from them spiritual wise when working upon the soul to reap the planetary benefits. As you mention with the Moon/Scorpio this is ideal for revenge, same as Moon/Capricorn, due to its destructive and potent energies. Moon/Scorpio is indeed like a wild horse in that regard with a lot of raw power, while Capricorn is more of a cold, bold (I define bold as something overbearing) and ruthless nature. It brings death and decay.

Here are some of my interpretations in regards to people with these aspects as you mentioned; Now, I am no skilled person in Astrology, would like to be one day, but I lack time as university is too time-consuming these days and is a top priority for me. My interpretations could as thus be wrong in many cases.

Moon/Scorpio; I've met weirdly many people with this aspect, and they are very different. Their emotions are quite intense yes, and they are really good at hiding what they truly feel. But it surely varies (due to offsetting aspects). When they first crack, they explode. For some it doesn't really last that long, for others, it lasts. What I have seen though is that they have greater "impact" on other peoples opinion and emotion in how people get affected by their emotions and outbursts.

Another I've met, a Mars/Cancer; he is such a sweetheart, he have a close relationship to his family. There are other planets favoring a good family relationship/life. His anger in the homelife emerges when they argue and fight in that sense. Even then it is not that big of an issue (although he do complain A LOT afterwards). Of which he have explained when he talked about it. Also his sister pretty much says the same. He makes for a great father. He is very caring.

Venus/Virgo, yes, definitely. I read a natal chart with a Venus/Virgo and with Pisces on the 7th house cusp recently. The coincidence..

These people have both aspects that weakens the nature and strengthen it in different parts of their life and character. It is very interesting.

 

[Ariadne the Scribe]

HI Yagami, how would you use a Mars square for material purposes, because what the planet rules looks more abstract to me.

I re-checked the Mars Square's rulerships and to be honest, I have no idea. :? :?

 

[Invictus]

So let's say I am doing a square, and do the vibration correctly, but catch myself almost saying NAMA (when I'm doing a spiritual square) and say NN-SVAHA instead, on one of the repetitions.

Does number 4 apply here? I cancel the energy and start over 2 hours later?

 

[WinterWarrior666]

So let's say I am doing a square, and do the vibration correctly, but catch myself almost saying NAMA (when I'm doing a spiritual square) and say NN-SVAHA instead, on one of the repetitions.

Does number 4 apply here? I cancel the energy and start over 2 hours later?

This doesn't answer your question, but the way I prevent this is that I have the mantra written out (on my phone) in front of me for my eyes to follow while vibrating, never once have I mixed any words up since.

 

[Elas Qilar]

I have a doubt if I messed with the moon square (short version). I usually record my voice to do the square. I've noticed that in one of the repetions, I said something like "AUM CHANDRAMASE SVA-", and then I got distracted and I took a sip of water. After doing so, I began the whole mantra again instead of finishing the previous one. After hearing the recording, I vibrated the whole mantra again, as if the defective one did not count, and stated the affirmations. Can anyone tell me if I made a mistake or if I am okay?
Thanks in advance.

 

[Big Dipper]

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

if you happen to be doing a 90 day ansuz working and miss a day, is there a way to recover?