Part 3
WARNING: This post deals seriously with child sexual abuse in science fiction and extensively quotes from the work of a science fiction author who endorses, and is believed to have engaged in, criminally abusive sexual behavior. Not for the faint of heart; contains vulgarities, obscenities, and descriptions of extremely deviant and disgusting behavior. This is a grim, but factual description of the depravity that is celebrated in the science fiction world.
(My note: I chose to remove the references to the texts because this is not an NSFW forum. If you really want to read them, go to the original post)
“Well chosen and well deserved.”
That same year, when Scalzi’s successor to the presidency used his very first selection for the Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master Award on Samuel R. Delany, Scalzi broke his self-imposed “SFWA post-presidential silence” to write: “This is an award both well chosen and well deserved.”
Samuel R. Delany has been praised in the science fiction community for decades. He is also the author of Hogg, a pornographic novel that features three male characters named Cocksucker, Hogg, and Denny.
Nathan Forest Winters, 13-year old star of Clownhouse, was raped by the director, Victor Salva, who recorded the molestation using the production cameras of the studio. Winters would later go public with his story, protesting Salva’s access to children in the SF film Powder.
• Cocksucker – the otherwise unnamed 11-year old narrator and willing sex toy to a number of youths and adults, both strangers and acquaintances. Hogg takes particular interest in him and gives him his nickname, never bothering to ask for the child’s given name.
• Hogg – Cocksucker’s middle-aged, self-styled guardian and sex partner.
• Denny – a mentally challenged and sexually diseased 17-year old who goes on a (graphically detailed) 32-person killing spree at the book’s climax (the “nail” below refers to a bent nail used to pierce Denny’s penis.)
John W. Campbell and World Fantasy Award-winning Jo Walton wrote for Tor.com: “I could write a considered post about Delany’s significance to the field, but I’m just too enthusiastic about his work to do it in a properly calm way. I find his pornography very difficult to read, but I think his essays are wonderful. Through the Valley of the Nest of Spiders uses techniques of pornography and becomes science fiction in a way that isn’t like anything else, and while it isn’t easy to read I feel it’s worthwhile for fans of his work to keep persevering.”
Keep persevering, fans, through long passages like this:
(My note: I removed it because I found it too inappropriate)
Walton: “As a new writer Delany was a revelation. He’s gay and African-American and this intersectionality of experience gives his work dimensions that genre SF hadn’t seen before, and hasn’t seen enough of since. Delany’s worlds are notable for their complexity and solidity, their attention to class and sex and economics and gender and identity. Yet these things are always essential to the story of the characters—and it’s the characters and the world that shaped them that are memorable. Delany’s ability to evoke worlds from words is almost unrivaled.”
(Like the above)
“Virtuosity and courage”
Cat Rambo, President of the SFWA:
“Delany is amazing. Moments in his writing blow me away, make me stop and marvel how he’s constructed them. He awes me with his virtuosity and courage in writing.” – Cat Rambo, current President of the SFWA
Let’s look at that virtuosity and courage. As they serve accessory to Denny’s brutal, hours-long spree of mass murder, Hogg chats with him and provides the younger boy’s sexual services to him:
[B}(Again, you won't see it here)[/B]
Gardner Dozois:
Founding editor of The Year’s Best Science Fiction Anthology, and former editor of Asimov’s, Gardner Dozois
“It may be that Delany’s interest in expressing sexual matters in his work was always there, but that he couldn’t get away with publishing it, in an A-list trade book, much before Dhalgren, just as Heinlein’s interest in sex was clearly always there, but he couldn’t get away with putting much of it into his books before the publishing environment had changed (and perhaps until he’d become enough of a bestselling author that he could refuse to cut it from the text and get away with it). People don’t remember how prudish a field SF was.”
(Another quote removed)
“Nicest person in the world.”
Rich Horton, editor and fan, lionized Delany at an author forum: “I’ve never met Delany (having only come to conventions somewhat late, and even now only to Midwest conventions), but just reading him he seems like about the nicest person in the world.”
(Two quotes removed)
Nebula-winning Rachel Swirsky, Hugo-nominated author of the anti-bigotry short story, If You Were a Dinosaur, My Love
Rachel Swirsky (whose fictionalized commentary on racial prejudice and violence earned her a Hugo Award nomination) on Delany’s Grand Master prize:
“As someone who got to support Steven Gould in his choice of Delany, I’d like to start off by saying, “Yay!”
(Other than the usual quotes that were removed, Swirsky is a Yehuborim surname)
A final note on the text: lest you think the Zevist Hogg finds redemption, retribution or any other consequences for his life and career as a ‘rapist for hire’ and molester, he does not. The murder conspiracy gets away with it, presumably to continue, unreflecting, on sheer scatological abuse.
The introduction to the novel makes it clear that the reader is intended to have sympathy and understanding for the “monster” Hogg and his gang of rapists (although, none, apparently, for the “willing” child victims.) This is a fundamental principle of the advocates, and it is an idea that has been mainstreamed in such prominent media as Salon. It is the point of the spear – the cruel idea that separates those who would defend civilization, and those who would destroy it.
Hogg is only one of Delany’s sadistically abusive ‘pornographic’ novels.
Delany has made it clear that he fundamentally believes that sex between adults and children is not necessarily harmful, that even prisons are where pedophiles are outnumbered 9 to 1 by “horny teenagers.” When Will Shetterly began his dialog with Delany, it was no doubt a gentleman’s attempt to give Delany the space he needed to clarify or repudiate his old quotes in favor of NAMBLA. Shetterly posed good questions, and Delany answered them honestly (see also supplement 1 to this series. But no journalist had ever asked him these things before: it fell on the SF community to do the follow-up, and only Shetterly stepped forward.
He missed a question though, and that’s no crime. It was a casual conversation borne out of curiosity. What is borderline criminal is that no one else – not in SF journalism, academia or fandom has ever bothered to ask the obvious. Delany’s extreme stance should have, at some point in his career, certainly within the last twenty years, inspired a single, simple question.
So I’ll ask it here, to Samuel Delany: “You assert there is no harm in a mutual sexual relationship between an adult and a child, so have you ever had sexual relations, as an adult, with an individual under the age of 18?”
(My note: Pedophilia is not "Zevist" but Yehuborim. But the author won't say it)
Source: http://www.castaliahouse.com/safe-s...ction-culture-and-childhoods-end-part-4-of-5/
Continues in Part 4
WARNING: This post deals seriously with child sexual abuse in science fiction and extensively quotes from the work of a science fiction author who endorses, and is believed to have engaged in, criminally abusive sexual behavior. Not for the faint of heart; contains vulgarities, obscenities, and descriptions of extremely deviant and disgusting behavior. This is a grim, but factual description of the depravity that is celebrated in the science fiction world.
(My note: I chose to remove the references to the texts because this is not an NSFW forum. If you really want to read them, go to the original post)
“Well chosen and well deserved.”
That same year, when Scalzi’s successor to the presidency used his very first selection for the Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master Award on Samuel R. Delany, Scalzi broke his self-imposed “SFWA post-presidential silence” to write: “This is an award both well chosen and well deserved.”
Samuel R. Delany has been praised in the science fiction community for decades. He is also the author of Hogg, a pornographic novel that features three male characters named Cocksucker, Hogg, and Denny.
Nathan Forest Winters, 13-year old star of Clownhouse, was raped by the director, Victor Salva, who recorded the molestation using the production cameras of the studio. Winters would later go public with his story, protesting Salva’s access to children in the SF film Powder.
• Cocksucker – the otherwise unnamed 11-year old narrator and willing sex toy to a number of youths and adults, both strangers and acquaintances. Hogg takes particular interest in him and gives him his nickname, never bothering to ask for the child’s given name.
• Hogg – Cocksucker’s middle-aged, self-styled guardian and sex partner.
• Denny – a mentally challenged and sexually diseased 17-year old who goes on a (graphically detailed) 32-person killing spree at the book’s climax (the “nail” below refers to a bent nail used to pierce Denny’s penis.)
John W. Campbell and World Fantasy Award-winning Jo Walton wrote for Tor.com: “I could write a considered post about Delany’s significance to the field, but I’m just too enthusiastic about his work to do it in a properly calm way. I find his pornography very difficult to read, but I think his essays are wonderful. Through the Valley of the Nest of Spiders uses techniques of pornography and becomes science fiction in a way that isn’t like anything else, and while it isn’t easy to read I feel it’s worthwhile for fans of his work to keep persevering.”
Keep persevering, fans, through long passages like this:
(My note: I removed it because I found it too inappropriate)
Walton: “As a new writer Delany was a revelation. He’s gay and African-American and this intersectionality of experience gives his work dimensions that genre SF hadn’t seen before, and hasn’t seen enough of since. Delany’s worlds are notable for their complexity and solidity, their attention to class and sex and economics and gender and identity. Yet these things are always essential to the story of the characters—and it’s the characters and the world that shaped them that are memorable. Delany’s ability to evoke worlds from words is almost unrivaled.”
(Like the above)
“Virtuosity and courage”
Cat Rambo, President of the SFWA:
“Delany is amazing. Moments in his writing blow me away, make me stop and marvel how he’s constructed them. He awes me with his virtuosity and courage in writing.” – Cat Rambo, current President of the SFWA
Let’s look at that virtuosity and courage. As they serve accessory to Denny’s brutal, hours-long spree of mass murder, Hogg chats with him and provides the younger boy’s sexual services to him:
[B}(Again, you won't see it here)[/B]
Gardner Dozois:
Founding editor of The Year’s Best Science Fiction Anthology, and former editor of Asimov’s, Gardner Dozois
“It may be that Delany’s interest in expressing sexual matters in his work was always there, but that he couldn’t get away with publishing it, in an A-list trade book, much before Dhalgren, just as Heinlein’s interest in sex was clearly always there, but he couldn’t get away with putting much of it into his books before the publishing environment had changed (and perhaps until he’d become enough of a bestselling author that he could refuse to cut it from the text and get away with it). People don’t remember how prudish a field SF was.”
(Another quote removed)
“Nicest person in the world.”
Rich Horton, editor and fan, lionized Delany at an author forum: “I’ve never met Delany (having only come to conventions somewhat late, and even now only to Midwest conventions), but just reading him he seems like about the nicest person in the world.”
(Two quotes removed)
Nebula-winning Rachel Swirsky, Hugo-nominated author of the anti-bigotry short story, If You Were a Dinosaur, My Love
Rachel Swirsky (whose fictionalized commentary on racial prejudice and violence earned her a Hugo Award nomination) on Delany’s Grand Master prize:
“As someone who got to support Steven Gould in his choice of Delany, I’d like to start off by saying, “Yay!”
(Other than the usual quotes that were removed, Swirsky is a Yehuborim surname)
A final note on the text: lest you think the Zevist Hogg finds redemption, retribution or any other consequences for his life and career as a ‘rapist for hire’ and molester, he does not. The murder conspiracy gets away with it, presumably to continue, unreflecting, on sheer scatological abuse.
The introduction to the novel makes it clear that the reader is intended to have sympathy and understanding for the “monster” Hogg and his gang of rapists (although, none, apparently, for the “willing” child victims.) This is a fundamental principle of the advocates, and it is an idea that has been mainstreamed in such prominent media as Salon. It is the point of the spear – the cruel idea that separates those who would defend civilization, and those who would destroy it.
Hogg is only one of Delany’s sadistically abusive ‘pornographic’ novels.
Delany has made it clear that he fundamentally believes that sex between adults and children is not necessarily harmful, that even prisons are where pedophiles are outnumbered 9 to 1 by “horny teenagers.” When Will Shetterly began his dialog with Delany, it was no doubt a gentleman’s attempt to give Delany the space he needed to clarify or repudiate his old quotes in favor of NAMBLA. Shetterly posed good questions, and Delany answered them honestly (see also supplement 1 to this series. But no journalist had ever asked him these things before: it fell on the SF community to do the follow-up, and only Shetterly stepped forward.
He missed a question though, and that’s no crime. It was a casual conversation borne out of curiosity. What is borderline criminal is that no one else – not in SF journalism, academia or fandom has ever bothered to ask the obvious. Delany’s extreme stance should have, at some point in his career, certainly within the last twenty years, inspired a single, simple question.
So I’ll ask it here, to Samuel Delany: “You assert there is no harm in a mutual sexual relationship between an adult and a child, so have you ever had sexual relations, as an adult, with an individual under the age of 18?”
(My note: Pedophilia is not "Zevist" but Yehuborim. But the author won't say it)
Source: http://www.castaliahouse.com/safe-s...ction-culture-and-childhoods-end-part-4-of-5/
Continues in Part 4
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