Saturn and satanism

[siderisa7]

I was recently attacked by a xian stating that satanists worhip baphomet who is of a goat which is of capricorn which is of saturn. More so one of satans sacred animals is the goat. Also yule is considered satans sacred season

"The Horned Goat is also directly of Enki (Satan). The constellation of the Horned Goat (Capricorn) is the time of the winter solstice, known as "The Southern Gate of the Sun." http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Goat.html

 

[the_fire_starter666]

Nope, the capricorn sign isn't Saturn. I explained it in the main group where you asked a similar question. Also if you read the info on Satan it clearly says:

• His Zodiac Signs are Aquarius, the Water Bearer and Capricorn, the Goat. [The Age of Aquarius is the Age for the advancement of humanity] 
  
  </li>
• His Planets are Uranus and Venus [the Morning Star]. </li>
  See: "His planets are Uranus and Venus". Where does it say Saturn??? If it was it would list it in the Planets instead, not just the Zodiac sign.

 

[Yog Sothoth]

Saturn is a planete of suffering. The whole point of Satanism is overcoming saturn with Godhood. The logic your using right now is akin to ''oh uncle bill has a pet goat, so that means uncle bill is a Satanist!'' You really need to read and study Saturn And The Solar : JoS Astrology stop listening to new ages and xtians man.   


On Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:46 AM, "siderisa7@... [HellsArmy666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  I was recently attacked by a xian stating that satanists worhip baphomet who is of a goat which is of capricorn which is of saturn. More so one of satans sacred animals is the goat. Also yule is considered satans sacred season

"The Horned Goat is also directly of Enki (Satan). The constellation of the Horned Goat (Capricorn) is the time of the winter solstice, known as "The Southern Gate of the Sun." http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Goat.html

 

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The following sermon by High Priest Mageson will clear up everything regarding this. http://josministries.prophpbb.com/topic5920.html

 

[siderisa7]

And to add ...Saturn is the only planet to rule two contiguous zodiac signs. It rules Capricorn and is the ancient ruler of Aquarius. So if satan's signs are capricorn and Aquarius Doesn't that make the relation even stronger to saturn the planet. ...

 

[stygian.shadowcreeper]

Do you know that the rulership of Saturn over Aquarius is caused by the apparent retrogrde motion? Aquarius is the OPPOSITE of Capricorn / Saturn - liberty, freedom, advancement, humanitarianism, breaking of obstacles, inventiveness.

This assumption of yours is based on shallow knowledge.

HS!

 

[siderisa7]

So I thought about this last night. Capricorn is ruled by saturn and is symbolized by the goat. Satans zodiac is capricorn because he rules over capricorn and overcomes saturn. the goat is sacred because it is the animal that one must overcome a.k.a own. Aquarius rules saturn rather than saturn ruling aquarius. thus why satans zodiac is capricorn and aquarius and why saturn is related to both zodiacs. Your response seems to correlate with what I thought last night.

 

[siderisa7]

So the aquarius part I get but still if we say," well when we say saturn it means the god and not the planet", why is the goat sacred to satan. There is the obvious correlation..goat is of capricorn and capricorn is ruled by saturn. if we negate planet saturn where does the goat fall into this. What does the goat have to do with the sun god saturn and satan.The goat is capricorn but capricorn isnt of saturn..how does that make sense.. capricorn is clearly ruled by saturn.

The Horned Goat is also directly of Enki (Satan). The constellation of the Horned Goat (Capricorn) is the time of the winter solstice, known as "The Southern Gate of the Sun." ²

I mean I feel as though my question is logical but the responses im getting do not answer this. And the tone is oh study more your logic is false and shallow knowledge. Im getting spun in circles. If you need to dumb it down for.me to understand by all means speak to me as the village idiot. Ive read all the links before I was referenced by you guys to read it and it still doesnt answer the blatantly obvious correlation.

Goat=capricorn. Capricorn ruled by saturn
goat=enki
capricorn=enki
enki ruled by saturn
saturn-aquarius and capricorn
enki-aquarius and capricorn
enki=Saturn

Im sincerely confused by this logical deductive reasoning. Yes satanism has the theme of overcoming saturn and thus aquarius so why this goat symbolism. if the goat represents saturn We should want to put the dam goat on a spit not have it as a sacred animal. if capricorn represents saturn we should put capricorn under our feet not have it the zodiac of satan.ya maybe capricorn is satans trophy to show he has overcome but shouldnt all the regard be to aquarius not the goat and not capricorn.

 

[siderisa7]

So the aquarius part I get but still if we say," well when we say saturn it means the god and not the planet", why is the goat sacred to satan. There is the obvious correlation..goat is of capricorn and capricorn is ruled by saturn. if we negate planet saturn where does the goat fall into this. What does the goat have to do with the sun god saturn and satan.The goat is capricorn but capricorn isnt of saturn..how does that make sense.. capricorn is clearly ruled by saturn.

The Horned Goat is also directly of Enki (Satan). The constellation of the Horned Goat (Capricorn) is the time of the winter solstice, known as "The Southern Gate of the Sun." ²

I mean I feel as though my question is logical but the responses im getting do not answer this. And the tone is oh study more your logic is false and shallow knowledge. Im getting spun in circles. If you need to dumb it down for.me to understand by all means speak to me as the village idiot. Ive read all the links before I was referenced by you guys to read it and it still doesnt answer the blatantly obvious correlation.

Goat=capricorn. Capricorn ruled by saturn
goat=enki
capricorn=enki
enki ruled by saturn
saturn-aquarius and capricorn
enki-aquarius and capricorn
enki=Saturn

Im sincerely confused by this logical deductive reasoning. Yes satanism has the theme of overcoming saturn and thus aquarius so why this goat symbolism. if the goat represents saturn We should want to put the dam goat on a spit not have it as a sacred animal. if capricorn represents saturn we should put capricorn under our feet not have it the zodiac of satan.ya maybe capricorn is satans trophy to show he has overcome but shouldnt all the regard be to aquarius not the goat and not capricorn.

 

[siderisa7]

So the aquarius part I get but still if we say," well when we say saturn it means the god and not the planet", why is the goat sacred to satan. There is the obvious correlation..goat is of capricorn and capricorn is ruled by saturn. if we negate planet saturn where does the goat fall into this. What does the goat have to do with the sun god saturn and satan.The goat is capricorn but capricorn isnt of saturn..how does that make sense.. capricorn is clearly ruled by saturn.

The Horned Goat is also directly of Enki (Satan). The constellation of the Horned Goat (Capricorn) is the time of the winter solstice, known as "The Southern Gate of the Sun." ²

I mean I feel as though my question is logical but the responses im getting do not answer this. And the tone is oh study more your logic is false and shallow knowledge. Im getting spun in circles. If you need to dumb it down for.me to understand by all means speak to me as the village idiot. Ive read all the links before I was referenced by you guys to read it and it still doesnt answer the blatantly obvious correlation.

Goat=capricorn. Capricorn ruled by saturn
goat=enki
capricorn=enki
enki ruled by saturn
saturn-aquarius and capricorn
enki-aquarius and capricorn
enki=Saturn

Im sincerely confused by this logical deductive reasoning. Yes satanism has the theme of overcoming saturn and thus aquarius so why this goat symbolism. if the goat represents saturn We should want to put the dam goat on a spit not have it as a sacred animal. if capricorn represents saturn we should put capricorn under our feet not have it the zodiac of satan.ya maybe capricorn is satans trophy to show he has overcome but shouldnt all the regard be to aquarius not the goat and not capricorn.

 

[centralforce6661]

Saturn's energies when properly sublimated can drive a person to do great things. However this is extremely difficult to do as Saturn has very maleficent features, hence why the jewish time system is based on it.

Overcoming Saturn, or sublimation of the energies therewith as HP Mageson states is the outcome of the Magnum Opus, and this is equivalent to Kundalini rising out of the base chakra (ruled by Saturn) to unite with the crown chakra (Jupiter, our reward in the planets) via the workings of the sun or solar chakra, and the being of our soul in analogy with the sun when the work is complete.

I know a person whose chart ruler is Saturn, and this makes him very strict and hard with his children however he has unlimited self discipline which has enabled him to do well in his job, gives him vast amounts of patience and enables his meditation schedule to be followed strictly over a long period of time. When he was younger however there was a lot of negative things in his personality but through meditation these Saturnian energies have been sublimated into positive things that benefit his life. He is overcoming Saturn through the work that Satan teaches us...

 

[the_fire_starter666]

Again you seem to clearly misunderstand that the sign, even though ruled by the planet, isn't the planet itself. That's the most important misconception. Even though it's ruled, it's not the planet.
Furthermore, you isolate a single thing you want, while there are much more symbols. Sacred animals are other 3 ones like snakes, e.t.c. Are you gonna say the snake is ruled by some other planet too? Because it's irrelevant as well. Why do you only do that with the goat? Why do you not do that with the other dozen of symbols which are all different?
The whole thing is not logical, it's that same fallacious logic xians use to claim that the musicians are illuminati, which a serious person would laugh.
Goat=capricorn. Capricorn ruled by saturn
goat=enki
capricorn=enki
enki ruled by saturn
saturn-aquarius and capricorn
enki-aquarius and capricorn
enki=Saturn

See, all those are RULED by Saturn. They are NOT Saturn. That's where the main fallacy is. If you can't understand that rule doesn't means is, then I don't have anything else to say, you will probably be too stupid to understand whatever I say.
Uranus rules Aquarius. Saturn isn't its main ruler, it's is co-ruler.
The entire equal thing above is false logic for another reason. A being having some symbols doesn't mean he is the symbols himself. It's even worse because you base the whole thing in only one symbol, where there are many, many more. What is the Serpent ruled by according to you? If you find a planet related to the snake then obviously why do you use the same false logic to claim Satan is the exact same planet? Is he both planets, or just Saturn? LOL.
I can go on and on pointing how stupid the entire thing is, but there's no use.
I've also noticed you ignored the part from the site:

• His Planets are Uranus and Venus [the Morning Star]. 
  </li>Did you really, really read this?
  

 

[the_fire_starter666]

That entire thing also falls apart because for something to be truly related to one planet needs to have more planetary symbolism than just one thing you merely inferred based on some zodiac sign which is ruled by it. This is the rule with everything. . Really, you do know that Saturn has animals, plants, symbols and other things related to it, right? And, no, they are irrelevant to zodiac signs RULED by it. There's incense related to Saturn, herbs, plants, flowers and minerals related to Saturn. If you really did serious research you'd see that none of those traditional symbols associated with Saturn is any relation to Satan at all. These associations have been mentioned in many books like the Three Books of Occult Philosophy by Agrippa e.t.c.
Solar Gods in Ancient religions, just to give one example, almost every symbol they had was a solar. They could have Frankinsense to be used as their incense, Sunday as their day, e.t.c. This isn't the same thing with Satan. If he was a Saturn god, every one of his symbols would be related to Saturn. His day would be Saturday e.t.c. Except his day is Monday, not Saturday. Are you gonna claim he's a Moon God because his day is Monday? Note this is a very obvious thing, and not merely false logic based on a sign. Monday IS the day of the Moon.

 

[the_fire_starter666]

BTW if EVEN you're serious about the whole thing, and if you aren't merely trolling. Because the entire thing is too stupid to be serious I would really expect a xian troll to say that not a normal person. It's also irrelevant to this group's purpose which about discussing spiritual warfare. 

 

[the_fire_starter666]

Nobody said that the goat is something that we need to overcome because as I said the goat symbolism isn't related to Saturn at all either. See:
The goat symbolizes fertility- fertility in multiplying the life force, vril, which activates and raises the serpent. The "Goat of a Thousand Young" is referring to the crown chakra, "Sahasrara" in Sanskrit which means "Thousand Petaled Lotus."

This isn't Saturn symbolism at all, but is based in the bioelectricity. Much like the snake is used because it symbolizes the kundalini.
Deductive reasoning only is correct when both premises are correct and it's the only conclusion you can get. In your case, it's not. You presume that Capricorn can't really symbolize any other non-Saturnian concept which is false. You also presume that the word rule means to be. That's why it doesn't add up. It's pretty much like saying "Mary had a baby, humans have babies therefore Mary is a human". She could be a cat or dog not necessarily a human because these animals have babies too.
Symbols can mean different things depending on how they are used.
Again I repeat, you can't really isolate one thing without taking the other things and its context into considerations. That's what you're doing. Otherwise if you do that and use that type of false logic, it can be anything from Saturn to Moon to Sun to Mars e.t.c. because everyone can isolate things like these.