Re: Obsessed with the "Lower World"? (Hell)

[the_fire_starter666]

I'm not sure what you mean here. First of all, Duat/Hell is a beautiful place on Orion's belt, and it's been said that the "lower world" obvoiusly is allegory for the lower chakras and the code-word "Hell" used in some texts as the base chakra.

Are you obsessed with the base chakra or what?? And how does this have to do with deities at all? Again I don't know what you mean at all.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "v.valentine666" <v.valentine666@... wrote:

I've read how Hell/Duat is considered the "Lower World", or that it is contained in the base chakra. Would some of you agree it may be unhealthy to become obsessed with it? To worship deities so profoundly when you very likely do not even know what type of individual they really are? (On a personal level anyway, I guess.) Many individuals have their way of almost giving themselves completely to Gods and Goddesses that have their public reputations favor them in a positive light. What of their possible "dirty secrets"? What of their personalities? Their opinions, perspectives? What if they completely differ from your own opinions or preferences?

For example, the groupie girl obsessed with a popular rockstar singer. She has posters of the singer, a little shrine, goes to the concerts, sometimes has the opportunity to whore herself out to the singer backstage, and upon getting to know this singer on a personal level, she discovers that he is in no way what she expected and finds out he's a pompous, arrogant piece of shit who bears his own judgment above everyone else's, turning a blind eye to what's really going on? Denying what really lies for the sake of suppressing some insecurities they have? Shallow, conceited, manipulative, etc?

I say those words mainly from my experiences with who I assumed to have been enemy Nordics, impersonating the real Gods/Goddesses. So many of them were incredibly bigoted, racist, shallow, unintelligent, extremely rude, controlling, deceitful, obsessed with extremely simplistic behaviors like the reckless pursuit of pleasure (sex, drugs, cigarettes, alcohol) whom would have views of sex as "just sex", sleeping with several different partners, completely forgoing the true meaning behind sex. Throwing themselves into self-destruction and degradation of both intelligence and self-support. Losing sight of life's true purpose and collapsing into the devolved state similar to a monkey, throwing their feces at each other when upset.

It had sickened to me a level of which I probably have never felt in my entire life.

But I digress, as matters pertaining to such worthless individuals need no concern. Same as the dog shit one may step in with their nice shoes needs nothing more then to be wiped off and left in the dirt.

But I ask (completely aside from the previous paragraphs), do some of you feel like an unhealthy obsession might develop from being overly concerned with Hell?

 

[Louis Cypher]

From: the_fire_starter666 <the_fire_starter666@...;
To: <[email protected];
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Obsessed with the "Lower World"? (Hell)
Sent: Mon, Jun 3, 2013 5:13:17 PM

<td val[/IMG]   I'm not sure what you mean here. First of all, Duat/Hell is a beautiful place on Orion's belt, and it's been said that the "lower world" obvoiusly is allegory for the lower chakras and the code-word "Hell" used in some texts as the base chakra.

Are you obsessed with the base chakra or what?? And how does this have to do with deities at all? Again I don't know what you mean at all.

--- [/IMG][email protected], "v.valentine666" <v.valentine666@... wrote:

I've read how Hell/Duat is considered the "Lower World", or that it is contained in the base chakra. Would some of you agree it may be unhealthy to become obsessed with it? To worship deities so profoundly when you very likely do not even know what type of individual they really are? (On a personal level anyway, I guess.) Many individuals have their way of almost giving themselves completely to Gods and Goddesses that have their public reputations favor them in a positive light. What of their possible "dirty secrets"? What of their personalities? Their opinions, perspectives? What if they completely differ from your own opinions or preferences?

For example, the groupie girl obsessed with a popular rockstar singer. She has posters of the singer, a little shrine, goes to the concerts, sometimes has the opportunity to whore herself out to the singer backstage, and upon getting to know this singer on a personal level, she discovers that he is in no way what she expected and finds out he's a pompous, arrogant piece of shit who bears his own judgment above everyone else's, turning a blind eye to what's really going on? Denying what really lies for the sake of suppressing some insecurities they have? Shallow, conceited, manipulative, etc?

I say those words mainly from my experiences with who I assumed to have been enemy Nordics, impersonating the real Gods/Goddesses. So many of them were incredibly bigoted, racist, shallow, unintelligent, extremely rude, controlling, deceitful, obsessed with extremely simplistic behaviors like the reckless pursuit of pleasure (sex, drugs, cigarettes, alcohol) whom would have views of sex as "just sex", sleeping with several different partners, completely forgoing the true meaning behind sex. Throwing themselves into self-destruction and degradation of both intelligence and self-support. Losing sight of life's true purpose and collapsing into the devolved state similar to a monkey, throwing their feces at each other when upset.

It had sickened to me a level of which I probably have never felt in my entire life.

But I digress, as matters pertaining to such worthless individuals need no concern. Same as the dog shit one may step in with their nice shoes needs nothing more then to be wiped off and left in the dirt.

But I ask (completely aside from the previous paragraphs), do some of you feel like an unhealthy obsession might develop from being overly concerned with Hell?

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[Don Danko]

Hel in the alchemical texts is the base chakra. The Duat is the physical location where our Gods live and souls go to await rebirth.  As the mediation section on the JoS mainsite states openly all the charka's are to be worked daily. Your simply making stuff up, as awhole to give a false impression to base a bogus arguement off of. We know who our Gods really are we interact with them on a constant bases the egroups are full of people mentioning how positive our Gods are. Because they are. However you on the otherhand are simply shit talking and trying to get people to agree to false premises to drag them down into a pointless debate ment to undermine and distract. Your kind of phoney "concern" is a old kind of trolling. Rabbi valentine.  

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--- [/IMG][email protected], "v.valentine666" <v.valentine666@... wrote:

I've read how Hell/Duat is considered the "Lower World", or that it is contained in the base chakra. Would some of you agree it may be unhealthy to become obsessed with it? To worship deities so profoundly when you very likely do not even know what type of individual they really are? (On a personal level anyway, I guess.) Many individuals have their way of almost giving themselves completely to Gods and Goddesses that have their public reputations favor them in a positive light. What of their possible "dirty secrets"? What of their personalities? Their opinions, perspectives? What if they completely differ from your own opinions or preferences?

For example, the groupie girl obsessed with a popular rockstar singer. She has posters of the singer, a little shrine, goes to the concerts, sometimes has the opportunity to whore herself out to the singer backstage, and upon getting to know this singer on a personal level, she discovers that he is in no way what she expected and finds out he's a pompous, arrogant piece of shit who bears his own judgment above everyone else's, turning a blind eye to what's really going on? Denying what really lies for the sake of suppressing some insecurities they have? Shallow, conceited, manipulative, etc?

I say those words mainly from my experiences with who I assumed to have been enemy Nordics, impersonating the real Gods/Goddesses. So many of them were incredibly bigoted, racist, shallow, unintelligent, extremely rude, controlling, deceitful, obsessed with extremely simplistic behaviors like the reckless pursuit of pleasure (sex, drugs, cigarettes, alcohol) whom would have views of sex as "just sex", sleeping with several different partners, completely forgoing the true meaning behind sex. Throwing themselves into self-destruction and degradation of both intelligence and self-support. Losing sight of life's true purpose and collapsing into the devolved state similar to a monkey, throwing their feces at each other when upset.

It had sickened to me a level of which I probably have never felt in my entire life.

But I digress, as matters pertaining to such worthless individuals need no concern. Same as the dog shit one may step in with their nice shoes needs nothing more then to be wiped off and left in the dirt.

But I ask (completely aside from the previous paragraphs), do some of you feel like an unhealthy obsession might develop from being overly concerned with Hell?

[/TD]

 

[tapapakiastinseira]

Excuse me, but are you fucking stupid....?
You *do* realize that we're talking about GODS with a conscience, awareness and a level in general much higher than our own..?
This is not a fucking reality show.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "v.valentine666" <v.valentine666@ wrote:

I've read how Hell/Duat is considered the "Lower World", or that it is contained in the base chakra. Would some of you agree it may be unhealthy to become obsessed with it? To worship deities so profoundly when you very likely do not even know what type of individual they really are? (On a personal level anyway, I guess.) Many individuals have their way of almost giving themselves completely to Gods and Goddesses that have their public reputations favor them in a positive light. What of their possible "dirty secrets"? What of their personalities? Their opinions, perspectives? What if they completely differ from your own opinions or preferences?

For example, the groupie girl obsessed with a popular rockstar singer. She has posters of the singer, a little shrine, goes to the concerts, sometimes has the opportunity to whore herself out to the singer backstage, and upon getting to know this singer on a personal level, she discovers that he is in no way what she expected and finds out he's a pompous, arrogant piece of shit who bears his own judgment above everyone else's, turning a blind eye to what's really going on? Denying what really lies for the sake of suppressing some insecurities they have? Shallow, conceited, manipulative, etc?

I say those words mainly from my experiences with who I assumed to have been enemy Nordics, impersonating the real Gods/Goddesses. So many of them were incredibly bigoted, racist, shallow, unintelligent, extremely rude, controlling, deceitful, obsessed with extremely simplistic behaviors like the reckless pursuit of pleasure (sex, drugs, cigarettes, alcohol) whom would have views of sex as "just sex", sleeping with several different partners, completely forgoing the true meaning behind sex. Throwing themselves into self-destruction and degradation of both intelligence and self-support. Losing sight of life's true purpose and collapsing into the devolved state similar to a monkey, throwing their feces at each other when upset.

It had sickened to me a level of which I probably have never felt in my entire life.

But I digress, as matters pertaining to such worthless individuals need no concern. Same as the dog shit one may step in with their nice shoes needs nothing more then to be wiped off and left in the dirt.

But I ask (completely aside from the previous paragraphs), do some of you feel like an unhealthy obsession might develop from being overly concerned with Hell?

 

[Logan Derrick]

"v.valentine666", have you ever seen our gods? Have you ever spoken to them? Do you really know what Spiritual Satanism is about? Because from my perspective (this being the only post I can remember reading of yours) I would daresay you need to do some studying. Not just studying JoyofSatan, but really look into yourself and see what you're all about.When you feel you know yourself a little more completely, try posting a thread about it. Judge what advice people give you to see what Satanism is really about. You might find that you're asking the wrong questions, or focusing on the wrong parts of yourself. Because this question below... it's a little ridiculous, no offense, and it clearly shows that you're just groping in the dark for something to grab hold of. 
You won't find anything.
Everything you need comes from within yourself. And from within yourself you will find your connection to the gods and to Hell. 
I hope you don't take this insultingly, it is a sincere suggestion. As much as other people can tell you, it will all be in relativity to your own perspective... so why not see for yourself?Hail Satan! <3
From: the_fire_starter666 <the_fire_starter666@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 11:13 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Obsessed with the "Lower World"? (Hell)

  I'm not sure what you mean here. First of all, Duat/Hell is a beautiful place on Orion's belt, and it's been said that the "lower world" obvoiusly is allegory for the lower chakras and the code-word "Hell" used in some texts as the base chakra.

Are you obsessed with the base chakra or what?? And how does this have to do with deities at all? Again I don't know what you mean at all.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "v.valentine666" <v.valentine666@... wrote:

I've read how Hell/Duat is considered the "Lower World", or that it is contained in the base chakra. Would some of you agree it may be unhealthy to become obsessed with it? To worship deities so profoundly when you very likely do not even know what type of individual they really are? (On a personal level anyway, I guess.) Many individuals have their way of almost giving themselves completely to Gods and Goddesses that have their public reputations favor them in a positive light. What of their possible "dirty secrets"? What of their personalities? Their opinions, perspectives? What if they completely differ from your own opinions or preferences?

For example, the groupie girl obsessed with a popular rockstar singer. She has posters of the singer, a little shrine, goes to the concerts, sometimes has the opportunity to whore herself out to the singer backstage, and upon getting to know this singer on a personal level, she discovers that he is in no way what she expected and finds out he's a pompous, arrogant piece of shit who bears his own judgment above everyone else's, turning a blind eye to what's really going on? Denying what really lies for the sake of suppressing some insecurities they have? Shallow, conceited, manipulative, etc?

I say those words mainly from my experiences with who I assumed to have been enemy Nordics, impersonating the real Gods/Goddesses. So many of them were incredibly bigoted, racist, shallow, unintelligent, extremely rude, controlling, deceitful, obsessed with extremely simplistic behaviors like the reckless pursuit of pleasure (sex, drugs, cigarettes, alcohol) whom would have views of sex as "just sex", sleeping with several different partners, completely forgoing the true meaning behind sex. Throwing themselves into self-destruction and degradation of both intelligence and self-support. Losing sight of life's true purpose and collapsing into the devolved state similar to a monkey, throwing their feces at each other when upset.

It had sickened to me a level of which I probably have never felt in my entire life.

But I digress, as matters pertaining to such worthless individuals need no concern. Same as the dog shit one may step in with their nice shoes needs nothing more then to be wiped off and left in the dirt.

But I ask (completely aside from the previous paragraphs), do some of you feel like an unhealthy obsession might develop from being overly concerned with Hell?

 

[iamgold666]

From what i can tell you're wondering if an obsession with hell can act as a gateway to negative habits and actions? If so what fire starter said Hell isn't a bad place, and you could potentially be more focused on your base chakra and getting alot of its energy influenced on your thinking, try balancing your chakras and empowering them all and not just your base chakra and make sure to clean them too.
(ill be honest don't know exactly what this post was meant to say, so maybe try clarifying a little to get a better answer)

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... _Spin.html

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@... wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean here. First of all, Duat/Hell is a beautiful place on Orion's belt, and it's been said that the "lower world" obvoiusly is allegory for the lower chakras and the code-word "Hell" used in some texts as the base chakra.

Are you obsessed with the base chakra or what?? And how does this have to do with deities at all? Again I don't know what you mean at all.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "v.valentine666" <v.valentine666@ wrote:

I've read how Hell/Duat is considered the "Lower World", or that it is contained in the base chakra. Would some of you agree it may be unhealthy to become obsessed with it? To worship deities so profoundly when you very likely do not even know what type of individual they really are? (On a personal level anyway, I guess.) Many individuals have their way of almost giving themselves completely to Gods and Goddesses that have their public reputations favor them in a positive light. What of their possible "dirty secrets"? What of their personalities? Their opinions, perspectives? What if they completely differ from your own opinions or preferences?

For example, the groupie girl obsessed with a popular rockstar singer. She has posters of the singer, a little shrine, goes to the concerts, sometimes has the opportunity to whore herself out to the singer backstage, and upon getting to know this singer on a personal level, she discovers that he is in no way what she expected and finds out he's a pompous, arrogant piece of shit who bears his own judgment above everyone else's, turning a blind eye to what's really going on? Denying what really lies for the sake of suppressing some insecurities they have? Shallow, conceited, manipulative, etc?

I say those words mainly from my experiences with who I assumed to have been enemy Nordics, impersonating the real Gods/Goddesses. So many of them were incredibly bigoted, racist, shallow, unintelligent, extremely rude, controlling, deceitful, obsessed with extremely simplistic behaviors like the reckless pursuit of pleasure (sex, drugs, cigarettes, alcohol) whom would have views of sex as "just sex", sleeping with several different partners, completely forgoing the true meaning behind sex. Throwing themselves into self-destruction and degradation of both intelligence and self-support. Losing sight of life's true purpose and collapsing into the devolved state similar to a monkey, throwing their feces at each other when upset.

It had sickened to me a level of which I probably have never felt in my entire life.

But I digress, as matters pertaining to such worthless individuals need no concern. Same as the dog shit one may step in with their nice shoes needs nothing more then to be wiped off and left in the dirt.

But I ask (completely aside from the previous paragraphs), do some of you feel like an unhealthy obsession might develop from being overly concerned with Hell?

 

[thisdaughterofsatan]

what dafuq did i just read? O.O

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "v.valentine666" <v.valentine666@... wrote:

I've read how Hell/Duat is considered the "Lower World", or that it is contained in the base chakra. Would some of you agree it may be unhealthy to become obsessed with it? To worship deities so profoundly when you very likely do not even know what type of individual they really are? (On a personal level anyway, I guess.) Many individuals have their way of almost giving themselves completely to Gods and Goddesses that have their public reputations favor them in a positive light. What of their possible "dirty secrets"? What of their personalities? Their opinions, perspectives? What if they completely differ from your own opinions or preferences?

For example, the groupie girl obsessed with a popular rockstar singer. She has posters of the singer, a little shrine, goes to the concerts, sometimes has the opportunity to whore herself out to the singer backstage, and upon getting to know this singer on a personal level, she discovers that he is in no way what she expected and finds out he's a pompous, arrogant piece of shit who bears his own judgment above everyone else's, turning a blind eye to what's really going on? Denying what really lies for the sake of suppressing some insecurities they have? Shallow, conceited, manipulative, etc?

I say those words mainly from my experiences with who I assumed to have been enemy Nordics, impersonating the real Gods/Goddesses. So many of them were incredibly bigoted, racist, shallow, unintelligent, extremely rude, controlling, deceitful, obsessed with extremely simplistic behaviors like the reckless pursuit of pleasure (sex, drugs, cigarettes, alcohol) whom would have views of sex as "just sex", sleeping with several different partners, completely forgoing the true meaning behind sex. Throwing themselves into self-destruction and degradation of both intelligence and self-support. Losing sight of life's true purpose and collapsing into the devolved state similar to a monkey, throwing their feces at each other when upset.

It had sickened to me a level of which I probably have never felt in my entire life.

But I digress, as matters pertaining to such worthless individuals need no concern. Same as the dog shit one may step in with their nice shoes needs nothing more then to be wiped off and left in the dirt.

But I ask (completely aside from the previous paragraphs), do some of you feel like an unhealthy obsession might develop from being overly concerned with Hell?

 

[Don Danko]

This troll to the side. Hel with one L in its original spelling. Denotes the serpent with H and shining with El. Its the root of the term Helios or Helos the symbolic form of the God [Satan] in the Helio-gnostic schools. The root chakra is where the serpent of light dwells and since its ascension is a major part of the union of the Soul, Spirit and earth[body] into the higher octave of the perfected state. Should be obvious its a positive.
From: Logan Derrick <tim_tim_logan@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 2:03:38 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Obsessed with the "Lower World"? (Hell)
  "v.valentine666", have you ever seen our gods? Have you ever spoken to them? Do you really know what Spiritual Satanism is about? Because from my perspective (this being the only post I can remember reading of yours) I would daresay you need to do some studying. Not just studying JoyofSatan, but really look into yourself and see what you're all about.When you feel you know yourself a little more completely, try posting a thread about it. Judge what advice people give you to see what Satanism is really about. You might find that you're asking the wrong questions, or focusing on the wrong parts of yourself. Because this question below... it's a little ridiculous, no offense, and it clearly shows that you're just groping in the dark for something to grab hold of. 
You won't find anything.
Everything you need comes from within yourself. And from within yourself you will find your connection to the gods and to Hell. 
I hope you don't take this insultingly, it is a sincere suggestion. As much as other people can tell you, it will all be in relativity to your own perspective... so why not see for yourself?Hail Satan! <3
From: the_fire_starter666 <the_fire_starter666@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 11:13 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Obsessed with the "Lower World"? (Hell)
  I'm not sure what you mean here. First of all, Duat/Hell is a beautiful place on Orion's belt, and it's been said that the "lower world" obvoiusly is allegory for the lower chakras and the code-word "Hell" used in some texts as the base chakra. Are you obsessed with the base chakra or what?? And how does this have to do with deities at all? Again I don't know what you mean at all.

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, "v.valentine666" <v.valentine666@... wrote: I've read how Hell/Duat is considered the "Lower World", or that it is contained in the base chakra. Would some of you agree it may be unhealthy to become obsessed with it? To worship deities so profoundly when you very likely do not even know what type of individual they really are? (On a personal level anyway, I guess.) Many individuals have their way of almost giving themselves completely to Gods and Goddesses that have their public reputations favor them in a positive light. What of their possible "dirty secrets"? What of their personalities? Their opinions, perspectives? What if they completely differ from your own opinions or preferences? For example, the groupie girl obsessed with a popular rockstar singer. She has posters of the singer, a little shrine, goes to the concerts, sometimes has the opportunity to whore herself out to the singer backstage, and upon getting to know this singer on a personal level, she discovers that he is in no way what she expected and finds out he's a pompous, arrogant piece of shit who bears his own judgment above everyone else's, turning a blind eye to what's really going on? Denying what really lies for the sake of suppressing some insecurities they have? Shallow, conceited, manipulative, etc? I say those words mainly from my experiences with who I assumed to have been enemy Nordics, impersonating the real Gods/Goddesses. So many of them were incredibly bigoted, racist, shallow, unintelligent, extremely rude, controlling, deceitful, obsessed with extremely simplistic behaviors like the reckless pursuit of pleasure (sex, drugs, cigarettes, alcohol) whom would have views of sex as "just sex", sleeping with several different partners, completely forgoing the true meaning behind sex. Throwing themselves into self-destruction and degradation of both intelligence and self-support. Losing sight of life's true purpose and collapsing into the devolved state similar to a monkey, throwing their feces at each other when upset. It had sickened to me a level of which I probably have never felt in my entire life. But I digress, as matters pertaining to such worthless individuals need no concern. Same as the dog shit one may step in with their nice shoes needs nothing more then to be wiped off and left in the dirt. But I ask (completely aside from the previous paragraphs), do some of you feel like an unhealthy obsession might develop from being overly concerned with Hell?

 

[blatantly_anonymous]

Sorry, I'm trying to push away the effects of creating another "facebook" page (retarded, I know). Which I used a completely fake identity with to try and possibly find some people to socialize with on an Earthly and personal level, and maybe find a girl to date or whichever. But the subliminal messages that website sent to me was (at times) outstandingly ludicrous.

I guess I should have known better considering how much energy goes into facebook's Jewishness, and it's IP tracking, so again I apologize for my brash words.

Hail the Gods of Hell

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "thisdaughterofsatan" <minabastet@... wrote:

what dafuq did i just read? O.O

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "v.valentine666" <v.valentine666@ wrote:

I've read how Hell/Duat is considered the "Lower World", or that it is contained in the base chakra. Would some of you agree it may be unhealthy to become obsessed with it? To worship deities so profoundly when you very likely do not even know what type of individual they really are? (On a personal level anyway, I guess.) Many individuals have their way of almost giving themselves completely to Gods and Goddesses that have their public reputations favor them in a positive light. What of their possible "dirty secrets"? What of their personalities? Their opinions, perspectives? What if they completely differ from your own opinions or preferences?

For example, the groupie girl obsessed with a popular rockstar singer. She has posters of the singer, a little shrine, goes to the concerts, sometimes has the opportunity to whore herself out to the singer backstage, and upon getting to know this singer on a personal level, she discovers that he is in no way what she expected and finds out he's a pompous, arrogant piece of shit who bears his own judgment above everyone else's, turning a blind eye to what's really going on? Denying what really lies for the sake of suppressing some insecurities they have? Shallow, conceited, manipulative, etc?

I say those words mainly from my experiences with who I assumed to have been enemy Nordics, impersonating the real Gods/Goddesses. So many of them were incredibly bigoted, racist, shallow, unintelligent, extremely rude, controlling, deceitful, obsessed with extremely simplistic behaviors like the reckless pursuit of pleasure (sex, drugs, cigarettes, alcohol) whom would have views of sex as "just sex", sleeping with several different partners, completely forgoing the true meaning behind sex. Throwing themselves into self-destruction and degradation of both intelligence and self-support. Losing sight of life's true purpose and collapsing into the devolved state similar to a monkey, throwing their feces at each other when upset.

It had sickened to me a level of which I probably have never felt in my entire life.

But I digress, as matters pertaining to such worthless individuals need no concern. Same as the dog shit one may step in with their nice shoes needs nothing more then to be wiped off and left in the dirt.

But I ask (completely aside from the previous paragraphs), do some of you feel like an unhealthy obsession might develop from being overly concerned with Hell?