Question #507: Houri

[AskSatanOperator]

Hello,
Is there a satanic equivalent to the Houri (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri) in Islam?

 

[Seker]

Hello,
Is there a satanic equivalent to the Houri (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri) in Islam?

What I got from the description is that the Houris are heavenly women and devout Muslims get them as a reward in heaven. If it is so, then your question has to do with the afterlife.

In Satanism, after you die you stay in the astral for a while and then get reincarnated into a new life on earth, so there's no eternal blissful paradise as in Abrahamic religions, so the concept of "eternal reward for your good deeds here" doesn't exist. A Satanist doesn't suffer in this life in order to be rewarded in the afterlife, but wants to reach immortality in this life to stop reincarnating. So the entire premise that the "houris" are based on doesn't exist in Satanism.

Some Satanists have relationships with incubi/succubi, but they are different beings. They are not a reward for your faith or good works, but are Gods/Demons that you can have a relationship with if you ask Satan to send you one. They have nothing to do with the afterlife or heaven, but given to you in this life.

 

[Karnonnos [TG]]

This is a perversion of the Upper Chakras and Ida/Pingala concept, the Demons and some pederastic scum typical of islam. The rivers of milk and honey allegory is stolen from Astarte's mythology and is a perversion of her lust for Dumuzid.

Islam is a very badly cobbled together religion. Instead of allowing Demons to reach you on Earth, it promises this in 'the afterlife', which is a trick.

In case you thought these were hawt chicks like lying muslims tell you, these Houris are partially young boys:

1- Sufyan al-Thawri saw a beardless young man and he said: اخرجوه فإني أرى مع كل امرأة شيطانا ومع كل غلام عشرة شياطين "Take him out from here, because with every woman walks one demon (tempting people towards her) and with every boy walks ten demons." ["Tilbis Iblis", 1/338].

2- Abu Saaib said: لأنا أخوف عَلَى عابد من غلام من سبعين عذراء "On a worshipper, we fear the temptation of one boy more than we fear the temptation of seventy [female] virgins." ["Dham al-Hawaa", 92].

3- Al-Hassan ibn Zakwan said: لا تجالسوا أولاد الأغنياء فإن لهم صورا كصور النساء، وهم أشد فتنة من العذارى "Don't sit with the children of the affluent, because their boys look like women and they are a bigger temptation (fitnah, فتنة) than [female] virgins." ["Shu'b al-Iman", 4/358].

4- Bishr bin al-Haarith said: احذروا هؤلاء الأحداث "Stay away from the youthful boys." ["Dham al-Hawaa", 94].

5- About Imam Malik it is reported: وكان مالك بن أنس يمنع دخول المرد مجلسه "Imam Malik used to prevent beardless youth to enter his gatherings." ["Majmu al-Fatawa", 4/26].

6- Imam al-Bayhaqi even made a chapter: بوب البيهقي في الكبرى (7/ 99): باب ما جاء في النظر إلى الغلام الأمرد بالشهوة "Chapter: What is narrated about [the prohibition of] looking at a beardless boy with lust."

7- Imam Al-Mardawi Hanbali mentioned among the prohibitions: a man looking at beardless youth with lust: ولا يجوز النظر إلى أحد ممن ذكرنا لشهوة وهذا بلا نزاع. قال الشيخ تقي الدين رحمه الله: ومن استحله كفر إجماعاً "And it is not permissible to look at any of the ones we mentioned with lust. There is no disagreement about this issue. Shaykh Taqiudin said: the person who permits it falls into disbelief, by agreement of all scholars." ["Al-Insaaf", 8/28].

8- Ibn Muflih Hanbali quotes Ibn al-Jawzi as saying: كان السلف يقولون في الأمرد : هو أشد فتنة من العذارى ، فإطلاق البصر من أعظم الفتن "The pious predecesors used to say about the beardless boys: They are a greater temptation than [female] virgins, so looking at them is a bigger temptation." ["Al-Furu", 5/113].

9- Ibn Taymiyah said: الصبي الأمرد المليح بمنزلة المرأة الأجنبية في كثير من الأمور ، .. ولا يجوز النظر إليه على هذا الوجه [ يعني بشهوة ] باتفاق للناس "A beardless young man has the same ruling as a strange woman in many situations ... so it is not permissible to look at them with lust, and this is agreed upon." ["Al-Fatawa al-Kubra", 3/202].

10- Al-Malibari said: ويحرم مصافحة الأمرد الجميل كنظره بشهوة "It is forbidden to shake hands with handsome beardless boys, as it is forbidden to look at them with lust." ["Fath", 3/263].

11- Ibn Abidin al-Hanafi said: ويحرمُ النظر إلى وجهها ، ووجه الأمرد إذا شك في الشهوة ، أما بدونها فيباح ولو جميلاً "It is forbidden to look at her face, and at the face of a beardless youth if there is fear of lust, but if that is absent, then it is allowed, even if they're good looking." ["Hashiyah Ibn Abidin", 1/407].

12- About Imam Ahmad it is reported: جاء رجل إلى أبي عبد اللَّه أحمد بن حنبل ومعه غلام حسن الوجه فقال: له من هذا قَالَ: ابني فقال: أَحْمَد لا تجيء به معك مرة أخرى "A man came to Imam Ahmad and with him was a handsome boy. Imam Ahmad asked: "who is this?" The man said: "This is my son." Imam Ahmad said: "Don't come with him again." ["Tabaqaat al-Hanabilah", 1/127]. According to other narrations, he said it because he feared that other people might not know its his son and would accuse him of carrying with him a boy for intimacy: لا يأثم الناس فيك، أو لئلا يظن بك من لا يعرفك ولا يعرفه سوءاً (LMFAO)

13- Imam Nawawi ash-Shafi'ii said: وكذلك يحرم على الرجل النظر إلى وجه الأمرد إذا كان حسن الصورة ، سواءً كان بشهوةٍ أم لا ، سواءً أمن الفتنة أم خافها ، هذا هو المذهب الصحيح المختار عند العلماء المحققين ، نص عليه الشافعي ، وحذاق أصحابه - رحمهم الله تعالى - ، ودليله : أنه في معنى المرأة ، فإنه يُشتهى كما تشتهى ، وصورته في الجمال كصورة المرأة ، بل ربما كان كثيرٌ منهم أحسن صورةً من كثيرٍ من النساء ، بل هم في التحريم أولى لمعنى آخر : وهو أنه يتمكن في حقهم من طرق الشر ما لا يتمكن مثله في حق المرأة "Similarly the scholars forbade a man to look at the face of a beardless youth if he is handsome, whether with or without desire, and whether it is free of fitnah (temptation) or there is the fear thereof. This is the correct view which was favoured by the scholars. This was stated by al-Shaafa’i and the prominent scholars of his madhhab (may Allaah have mercy on them). The evidence for this is that a beardless youth is, in some ways, like a woman; he may be desired as a woman is desired, and his form may be beautiful like that of a woman, and many of them may be more beautiful than many women. The prohibition applies more to them for another reason, which is that in their case there may result from attachment to them types of evil that do not occur in the case of women." ["Sharh Muslim", 4/31].

14- The temptation of these youth was so great, that the devil mislead some ignorant people to the brink of heresy, and made them think that their beauty is a manifestation of God's beauty: Ibn Taymiyah said: وأما من نظر إلى المردان ظانا أنه ينظر إلى مظاهر الجمال الإلهي وجعل هذا طريقا له إلى الله كما يفعله طوائف من المدعين للمعرفة فقوله هذا أعظم كفرا من قول عباد الأصنام ومن كفر قوم لوط . فهؤلاء من شر الزنادقة المرتدين "As for the person who stares at beardless youth and considers this like looking at the manifestation of God's beauty, or considers this a way to get closer to God, such people have indulged in greater kufr than the original worshippers of idols, and they are comitting a kufr worse than that of the people of Lot. They are the worst heretics and apostates." ["Majmu al-Fatawa", 15/410].

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[MercuryWisdom]

This is a perversion of the Upper Chakras and Ida/Pingala concept, the Demons and some pederastic scum typical of islam. The rivers of milk and honey allegory is stolen from Astarte's mythology and is a perversion of her lust for Dumuzid.

Islam is a very badly cobbled together religion. Instead of allowing Demons to reach you on Earth, it promises this in 'the afterlife', which is a trick.

In case you thought these were hawt chicks like lying muslims tell you, these Houris are partially young boys:

1- Sufyan al-Thawri saw a beardless young man and he said: اخرجوه فإني أرى مع كل امرأة شيطانا ومع كل غلام عشرة شياطين "Take him out from here, because with every woman walks one demon (tempting people towards her) and with every boy walks ten demons." ["Tilbis Iblis", 1/338].

2- Abu Saaib said: لأنا أخوف عَلَى عابد من غلام من سبعين عذراء "On a worshipper, we fear the temptation of one boy more than we fear the temptation of seventy [female] virgins." ["Dham al-Hawaa", 92].

3- Al-Hassan ibn Zakwan said: لا تجالسوا أولاد الأغنياء فإن لهم صورا كصور النساء، وهم أشد فتنة من العذارى "Don't sit with the children of the affluent, because their boys look like women and they are a bigger temptation (fitnah, فتنة) than [female] virgins." ["Shu'b al-Iman", 4/358].

4- Bishr bin al-Haarith said: احذروا هؤلاء الأحداث "Stay away from the youthful boys." ["Dham al-Hawaa", 94].

5- About Imam Malik it is reported: وكان مالك بن أنس يمنع دخول المرد مجلسه "Imam Malik used to prevent beardless youth to enter his gatherings." ["Majmu al-Fatawa", 4/26].

6- Imam al-Bayhaqi even made a chapter: بوب البيهقي في الكبرى (7/ 99): باب ما جاء في النظر إلى الغلام الأمرد بالشهوة "Chapter: What is narrated about [the prohibition of] looking at a beardless boy with lust."

7- Imam Al-Mardawi Hanbali mentioned among the prohibitions: a man looking at beardless youth with lust: ولا يجوز النظر إلى أحد ممن ذكرنا لشهوة وهذا بلا نزاع. قال الشيخ تقي الدين رحمه الله: ومن استحله كفر إجماعاً "And it is not permissible to look at any of the ones we mentioned with lust. There is no disagreement about this issue. Shaykh Taqiudin said: the person who permits it falls into disbelief, by agreement of all scholars." ["Al-Insaaf", 8/28].

8- Ibn Muflih Hanbali quotes Ibn al-Jawzi as saying: كان السلف يقولون في الأمرد : هو أشد فتنة من العذارى ، فإطلاق البصر من أعظم الفتن "The pious predecesors used to say about the beardless boys: They are a greater temptation than [female] virgins, so looking at them is a bigger temptation." ["Al-Furu", 5/113].

9- Ibn Taymiyah said: الصبي الأمرد المليح بمنزلة المرأة الأجنبية في كثير من الأمور ، .. ولا يجوز النظر إليه على هذا الوجه [ يعني بشهوة ] باتفاق للناس "A beardless young man has the same ruling as a strange woman in many situations ... so it is not permissible to look at them with lust, and this is agreed upon." ["Al-Fatawa al-Kubra", 3/202].

10- Al-Malibari said: ويحرم مصافحة الأمرد الجميل كنظره بشهوة "It is forbidden to shake hands with handsome beardless boys, as it is forbidden to look at them with lust." ["Fath", 3/263].

11- Ibn Abidin al-Hanafi said: ويحرمُ النظر إلى وجهها ، ووجه الأمرد إذا شك في الشهوة ، أما بدونها فيباح ولو جميلاً "It is forbidden to look at her face, and at the face of a beardless youth if there is fear of lust, but if that is absent, then it is allowed, even if they're good looking." ["Hashiyah Ibn Abidin", 1/407].

12- About Imam Ahmad it is reported: جاء رجل إلى أبي عبد اللَّه أحمد بن حنبل ومعه غلام حسن الوجه فقال: له من هذا قَالَ: ابني فقال: أَحْمَد لا تجيء به معك مرة أخرى "A man came to Imam Ahmad and with him was a handsome boy. Imam Ahmad asked: "who is this?" The man said: "This is my son." Imam Ahmad said: "Don't come with him again." ["Tabaqaat al-Hanabilah", 1/127]. According to other narrations, he said it because he feared that other people might not know its his son and would accuse him of carrying with him a boy for intimacy: لا يأثم الناس فيك، أو لئلا يظن بك من لا يعرفك ولا يعرفه سوءاً (LMFAO)

13- Imam Nawawi ash-Shafi'ii said: وكذلك يحرم على الرجل النظر إلى وجه الأمرد إذا كان حسن الصورة ، سواءً كان بشهوةٍ أم لا ، سواءً أمن الفتنة أم خافها ، هذا هو المذهب الصحيح المختار عند العلماء المحققين ، نص عليه الشافعي ، وحذاق أصحابه - رحمهم الله تعالى - ، ودليله : أنه في معنى المرأة ، فإنه يُشتهى كما تشتهى ، وصورته في الجمال كصورة المرأة ، بل ربما كان كثيرٌ منهم أحسن صورةً من كثيرٍ من النساء ، بل هم في التحريم أولى لمعنى آخر : وهو أنه يتمكن في حقهم من طرق الشر ما لا يتمكن مثله في حق المرأة "Similarly the scholars forbade a man to look at the face of a beardless youth if he is handsome, whether with or without desire, and whether it is free of fitnah (temptation) or there is the fear thereof. This is the correct view which was favoured by the scholars. This was stated by al-Shaafa’i and the prominent scholars of his madhhab (may Allaah have mercy on them). The evidence for this is that a beardless youth is, in some ways, like a woman; he may be desired as a woman is desired, and his form may be beautiful like that of a woman, and many of them may be more beautiful than many women. The prohibition applies more to them for another reason, which is that in their case there may result from attachment to them types of evil that do not occur in the case of women." ["Sharh Muslim", 4/31].

14- The temptation of these youth was so great, that the devil mislead some ignorant people to the brink of heresy, and made them think that their beauty is a manifestation of God's beauty: Ibn Taymiyah said: وأما من نظر إلى المردان ظانا أنه ينظر إلى مظاهر الجمال الإلهي وجعل هذا طريقا له إلى الله كما يفعله طوائف من المدعين للمعرفة فقوله هذا أعظم كفرا من قول عباد الأصنام ومن كفر قوم لوط . فهؤلاء من شر الزنادقة المرتدين "As for the person who stares at beardless youth and considers this like looking at the manifestation of God's beauty, or considers this a way to get closer to God, such people have indulged in greater kufr than the original worshippers of idols, and they are comitting a kufr worse than that of the people of Lot. They are the worst heretics and apostates." ["Majmu al-Fatawa", 15/410].

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Besides any points you made. They are not boys. This Arabic is mistranslated which caused you confusion.