Question #4998: The duty of a man is to get cucked astrally

[Ask Satya Operator]

So I'm about to get my first job after graduating university and now I have literally no idea what to do. I did make some friends and dated a few girls but aside from that, nothing spectacular happened. What is the endgame for a man now? I feel like the only thing to do left now is to save money and then maybe find someone and have kids but I feel like it's just rigged. The modern woman loves a dog more than she loves a man, by the time I meet a roastie's checklist I literally achieve the Magnum Opus. A God can show up at her house but if he's less than 6 feet tall she'll be like "ewww". We're expected to earn for a family, be handsome, sometimes tall, be humorous and charming, fuck like a machine and take the lead and all that. We literally need to be 1 inch away from becoming Heroes like HPS Pythia to date the average western woman, and when we stop meeting the criteria we are replaceable. We are just not valued for who we are as humans, we are valued for what we can provide to society and to women. We men are literally cattle and we pretend we have a choice and free will. Every other choice but participating in this butchery is an even greater disgrace. I've had people tell me that this is a man's duty and that I shouldn't complain. Bro, if it is then I'd rather kill myself and maybe wait to be reincarnated into a better life (hopefully as a cat, I love cats). How is it my duty to care for selfish drones and forsake my entire identity for the hivemind? I literally don't see how being a man is any fun, we truly live in a society. So while I'm having this breakdown of galactic proportions, I'd really love to ask what the fuck is a man supposed to do with his life in the modern world? Am I foolish for not wanting to participate in society? What would the Gods suggest I do? What would They themselves do? Thanks for reading and I hope I made you laugh with my awkward ahh jokes.

 

[Power of Justice [SG]]

Being a man is not easy, mainly because most men inherently have absolutely nothing to offer. There is a reason why high value men get the attention of most women. As a man you literally start at 0, and you can't change that or be mad at it because it goes for all men. But you can also see that there aren't really any high value men in their 20s or even 30s. It's a process to become that, and nobody wants to put in the work. People just see the end result and call it unfair.

You can never reincarnate as anything but a human or a man, so either give up completely, or fight to become more than you are.

 

[Recycler1337]

Probably you are trying to get acquainted on the Internet, on sites where there are only saucers and kept women. Try to change the place where you are looking.

 

[Recycler1337]

It is also likely that you are so convinced of this that you are attracted to these particular events and these particular women.

The world is extremely multifaceted, people in it are more so, yes, most people live according to some patterns, but I personally have seen examples of the opposite, where a woman took on the function of earning or achieving something while the man just drank beer and lay on the couch, and yes she chose him and loved him, etc. etc.

 

[Ĥl·lĥæ]

You must understand things as a whole, you and all other humans and things are a cog in the wheel that is constantly in motion and brakes in a specific way so that other things can flourish.

Women should be completely demanding, it's always been that way.
Most men don't even have the chance to touch a woman unless it's their own mother.

If it hadn't been for their demands, even in the midst of Christianity, which gave all kinds of beings the opportunity to exist and have relationships (monogamy and marriage).
The species is still standing, thanks to this, before one man took care of dozens of women, male polygamy created strong men and women, not everyone should get married and have children when their genetics are weak.

Meditate, meditate and beg to be born better next time, so that your future children aren't reborn weak and suffering.



Another thing, women carry great compassion for all kinds of people and lives, they are much more complex than you think, no woman here dislikes men, while the opposite seems to happen

 

[Onbael_]

Hello, I am the poster of the question, I had to create an account to reply. I understand that men start at 0, that is perfectly fine by me, but why should women free ride? Compared to them, we have to put in way more work to become something, whereas they start with quite a lot of value by default. That is the main issue. The trade simply doesn't really favor me in any way. I can become the mogger of dreams, and that's great, I'd love to become that, but when I see that most women want winners, it just feels cheap. This guy busted his ass off to win, the price of winning is actually extremely high for any serious endeavor, and women just go to him instead of trying to maybe make someone a winner. I don't mean she should baby sit him, but a lot of guys could actually become quite good humans if they had someone encouraging them by their side. Loneliness is worse than death for some of us, and despite being painted as compassionate and what not, their "pickiness" reeks of nothing but selfishness.

That is why I meditate, maybe I can change my POV. In the meantime, it's true that counterexamples exist, but these are rare and these kinds of exceptions only confirm the rule.


Exactly, that's what I'm saying. Instead of waiting for the winner to arrive, they should strive to be winners themselves too, or if they want a partner that is a winner, they should help someone with potential become one.
And thanks for the working, I'll give it a try.


Is this fair? Just your opinion. Not trying to poke at you, since you are pretty much right, but I'm curious.


If this is my only course of action, I am extremely disappointed in both myself and Zevism as a whole for not providing a better solution than to do what literally xians do: beg for their thoughtform of a god to do something while waiting on their asses.


Cold, I like it. Know your worth, brother.
I just hope you have success. I don't know how you select the women you talk to, but I hope there is a decent chance you find them and they're not unicorns or other fantasies that you find only once every 3 sabbats.


(I forgor to reply above and I don't know how to move this up, my bad)
Maybe, no woman HERE dislikes men, but I've met many OUTSIDE who do. In this forum, everyone is level headed and knows what the fuck they're doing. But once one leaves the door of their house it's just a concrete jungle. Here everyone understands that we have our flaws, we have our strengths and we do our best to manage them together. Outside of this forum though, I've met fantastic women and terrible women, the latter more than the former. Thus, I don't think they carry great compassion at all, at least based on my experience. Maybe the women in your area are nice, I don't know.

Women also start from 0, as I said in my post, the women I give my attention to must have X characteristics.

This is also the case with other men of value, you don't just have to have a big ass or something.

Obviously in a world of clowns, hopeless cases, simps, etc, most women may have less difficulty than a man of equal or lower value, but in the end it's still andropods going after other andropods, nothing special, no semblance of value.

However, how an holy name you have...

 

[Recycler1337]

Hello, I am the poster of the question, I had to create an account to reply. I understand that men start at 0, that is perfectly fine by me, but why should women free ride? Compared to them, we have to put in way more work to become something, whereas they start with quite a lot of value by default. That is the main issue. The trade simply doesn't really favor me in any way. I can become the mogger of dreams, and that's great, I'd love to become that, but when I see that most women want winners, it just feels cheap. This guy busted his ass off to win, the price of winning is actually extremely high for any serious endeavor, and women just go to him instead of trying to maybe make someone a winner. I don't mean she should baby sit him, but a lot of guys could actually become quite good humans if they had someone encouraging them by their side. Loneliness is worse than death for some of us, and despite being painted as compassionate and what not, their "pickiness" reeks of nothing but selfishness.

That is why I meditate, maybe I can change my POV. In the meantime, it's true that counterexamples exist, but these are rare and these kinds of exceptions only confirm the rule.


Exactly, that's what I'm saying. Instead of waiting for the winner to arrive, they should strive to be winners themselves too, or if they want a partner that is a winner, they should help someone with potential become one.
And thanks for the working, I'll give it a try.


Is this fair? Just your opinion. Not trying to poke at you, since you are pretty much right, but I'm curious.


If this is my only course of action, I am extremely disappointed in both myself and Zevism as a whole for not providing a better solution than to do what literally xians do: beg for their thoughtform of a god to do something while waiting on their asses.


Cold, I like it. Know your worth, brother.
I just hope you have success. I don't know how you select the women you talk to, but I hope there is a decent chance you find them and they're not unicorns or other fantasies that you find only once every 3 sabbats.


(I forgor to reply above and I don't know how to move this up, my bad)
Maybe, no woman HERE dislikes men, but I've met many OUTSIDE who do. In this forum, everyone is level headed and knows what the fuck they're doing. But once one leaves the door of their house it's just a concrete jungle. Here everyone understands that we have our flaws, we have our strengths and we do our best to manage them together. Outside of this forum though, I've met fantastic women and terrible women, the latter more than the former. Thus, I don't think they carry great compassion at all, at least based on my experience. Maybe the women in your area are nice, I don't know.

This is a completely normal phenomenon and it is connected with instincts and nature, the more developed and technologically advanced society is, the more comfortable life is in it, the more blurred these boundaries are.

Moreover, why should they choose not the best of the best if they have the opportunity to choose? If you were offered several girls to choose from, would you choose the best of them? The answer is obvious. What's the problem with girls?

 

[Ĥl·lĥæ]

Is this fair? Just your opinion. Not trying to poke at you, since you are pretty much right, but I'm curious.


If this is my only course of action, I am extremely disappointed in both myself and Zevism as a whole for not providing a better solution than to do what literally xians do: beg for their thoughtform of a god to do something while waiting on their asses.

"I didn't tell you to ask for a good renaissance from someone specific.

Yes, that's fair enough, but it used to happen a long time ago because only one man had 3 or even 7 wives, and there were no others of lesser genetics.

Satanism gives you the tools to attract anyone you want, simply getting a quality wife won't change your genetics.
You can have children without having favorable genetics, your problem is simply solved, so there's no reason to be "disappointed" with Satanism.

 

[FeetSmeller69]

Yes, that's fair enough, but it used to happen a long time ago because only one man had 3 or even 7 wives, and there were no others of lesser genetics.

Fair, this is the answer I was looking for, thanks.

Moreover, why should they choose not the best of the best if they have the opportunity to choose? If you were offered several girls to choose from, would you choose the best of them? The answer is obvious. What's the problem with girls?

Also fair. There's no problem with them, I I may just have a severe case of skill issue then.

This is also the case with other men of value, you don't just have to have a big ass or something.

lmao. Getting a big ass is not even that hard, I'm a dude and I have a cake. But I get your point.

However, how an holy name you have...

I thought about it for several minutes, no joke, but I don't expect to be posting much. And if I am, then so be it, every group has the:
>Extroverted leader
>Intelligent nerd
>Gym bro
>Eastern European
>Girl
>Degenerate
And I'm the last one

 

[Windstrider666]

Upon reading the original post, there were essentially 2 questions that was being asked. First: What am I suppose to do with myself? and Second: How do I get women to want me? Before going into answering these the first thing anyone should do when seeking answers is to let go of preconceived notions. This is to open the mind to seeing things from different perspectives outside the usual.

For the First Question:

The moment a man questions his purpose is the time one needs to reflect back on their life and the choices one made. From the moment they were born until this point in time what have you done? What have you achieved? You look towards the future with both anxiety and fear because it looks bleak in your eyes. Question why. Most likely, you are lost because you have never seen the proper example of what a man is and what they are capable of in the truest sense. This isn't about money, fame or amount of women. This is about the internal fulfillment that a man is capable of doing by striving towards a higher purpose. A man is a builder in a different way than women. Man by design is a directive force. This means constantly performing and acting in order to go higher. In order to do so, a man must first look within and ask themselves, what makes me a man?

This is where needs to strive towards purpose. Purpose is often misunderstood as something a man needs to "find". That isn't actually the case. Purpose is something you embody, something that centers the actions you take as well as the action in of itself. The mind needs stability, as without it there is only disorder and chaos. To do so you need to create for yourself goals and ambition. This gives your mind direction and focuses itself to take steps in that direction. It doesn't need to be the one and only goal in your life, you can choose to fulfill as many goals as you want. The point I am trying to make is that you need to set one to start walking right now. I can give you one right now since you are here -> Aim to achieve an intermediate level in spiritual understanding and power.

By locking on to a goal you put all your focus on achieving it. When an important goal is pursued with resolution and dedication and all ones varied activities fit together into a unified flow experience, the result is that harmony is brought to consciousness. Someone who is in harmony, no matter what he does, no matter what is happening to him, knows that all his psychic energy is not being wasted on doubt, regret, guilt and fear. It is always being usefully employed. When the consciousness is in harmony, there is no room for mental negativity. This is the internal fulfillment, knowing that you are achieving something by working towards a goal.

The Second Question:

When it comes to "getting women", there is a misunderstanding on how this happens. This is often due to poor social role models and examples when growing up. For the longest time, I wondered "why do women not choose me" or when I do find someone it ends up being a disastrous experience. This is due to a lack of both understanding of social dynamics in both parties as well as maturity. As a man, there isn't a need to "understand" what a woman wants in a man. Now what do I mean by this. Just as men have preferences, women too have preferences. Preferences doesn't mean "I want a man with a big dick and 6 ft tall" or "I want a woman with titties the size of a beach ball".

As a man one simply needs to do what men should do and strive for success and achievement. Women have their own problems with attracting men but that isn't our problem to deal with, its theirs. Don't make it your problem and don't make their problem the reason for your failure. All you need to do is find a woman that is supportive of your goals and direction. That should be the minimum requirement. After that just find one that fits your preference. Learn how to speak clearly, learn to be assertive and confident. If there are none around you don't mope and complain about why women suck because obviously you aren't looking in the right place. There are plenty of women in good relationships and plenty of men with good relationships. The problem isn't that women aren't good. The problem is that you aren't in the right place.

Last Note:

This is going to be a harsh truth. I write this with sincerity as its a mindset that I see too often. Grow up. The idea that men are replaceable the moment they lose value, the idea that men aren't valued just for being human, and the idea that men need to be valued by what they contribute to society are all natural and how the world works. Wanting to die and reincarnate into something else just to escape that reality simply proves an internal weakness you have and ones own worthlessness. You want to be valuable? That is something one proves, not one that is given or assumed. Our great HP Pythia proved her worth and was rewarded. This wasn't done in a day or without effort. She worked every day in a world that tirelessly tried to get her to quit even through death. And men can't even be bothered to help their family with housework yet want to be treated like kings. Tell me what man had worked even 1% of what HP Pythia has done for this world let alone "one inch away". A Man that was one inch away from the kind of Hero HP Pythia represent would be rewarded far more than "dating the modern woman" which in my opinion would be a gross disrespect of his value if it was.

Lastly, if you read this far, don't let yourself be beaten down without getting back up. Life is a wonderful thing and the moment you understand that not just in your mind but in your being, you will want to have more, work for more, and achieve more.

Hail Satan

 

[Henu the Great]

Women have inherently more value because they are creators of new life which is something civilizations are built on. A man produces spermatozoa, and much like these, you must race to be the best, lest you fail and someone else takes the win. Deal with it.

 

[Power of Justice [SG]]

Hello, I am the poster of the question, I had to create an account to reply. I understand that men start at 0, that is perfectly fine by me, but why should women free ride? Compared to them, we have to put in way more work to become something, whereas they start with quite a lot of value by default. That is the main issue. The trade simply doesn't really favor me in any way. I can become the mogger of dreams, and that's great, I'd love to become that, but when I see that most women want winners, it just feels cheap. This guy busted his ass off to win, the price of winning is actually extremely high for any serious endeavor, and women just go to him instead of trying to maybe make someone a winner. I don't mean she should baby sit him, but a lot of guys could actually become quite good humans if they had someone encouraging them by their side. Loneliness is worse than death for some of us, and despite being painted as compassionate and what not, their "pickiness" reeks of nothing but selfishness.

Women get a "free ride" because they are the prize. Biologically, every man wants the best woman for them, so it's supply and demand. The perceived value of women is higher than that of most men when they are between the ages of 18 to 40, after which it is surpassed by the value of men. The reason for that is because by that point, most men are in the position to get the kind of partner they want, so competition is much less. Women are at the end of their biological window by the age of 40, so any that want to start a family and haven't have pretty much missed the train.

Women cannot afford to wait and take chances on random guys to make them winners. Women who want a family are in a hurry just due to biology; past a certain age childbirth is extremely dangerous for them, or just impossible. People want what they want. You have standards for the women you are interested in right? Why won't you go out with women you consider lesser than your standard? Is that not unfair from their point of view? Women generally take the most successful person they can find. The woman who takes chances on 2 or 3 guys in her life, trying to make them winners will likely find herself with no real man in the end.

It's not even selfishness, but basic economics. If a woman has access to men who will provide her with a certain lifestyle, why would she ever look elsewhere for men who are lower in the hierarchy? To give them a chance? Because they are "nice guys?" You can be a nice guy and a valuable man. The nice guy thing is a cover for men who literally have nothing else to offer, so they preach it like the bible.

 

[kaelgr]

Do you think that it is a chance for a woman, just because she is a woman, to seduce and marry any rich, handsome man she wishes, and to fall into her trap with the lowest quality men whenever she wants? None of the issues that you consider women lucky or men disadvantaged by themselves will bring happiness to a woman.
This is real and truly unsatisfying. On the contrary, I think it makes you feel unloved and worthless.

Happiness and a beautiful relationship are hard to find when expected from a person. This applies to both men and women. To gain a truly valuable place in life, both men and women must strive.

 

[Stormblood]

I think there is a common misconception to be addressed here.

Just because you are about to graduate university and you are of that age, it doesn't mean you are a man... yet. A man is something you become at the end of the personal growth path that leads you to acquire many of those qualities and developments that, according to you, make you desirable to women. Just having the right to vote and drink alcohol because your body is biologically mature, it doesn't make anyone an adult nor a man.

You grow into a man. You don't grow into a man by avoiding obstacles and believing everything it would be better if it was already on a silver plate for you. You grow into a man by overcoming challenges, both within and outside of yourself, and by achieving self-mastery and mastering a few key areas of life. In the past, High Priest Zevios Metathronos talked about what being a man means.

I also think there's an inherent misconception that women automatically have value or that they are women already just because they got boobs and they're fertile. Far from it. As a Spiritual Satanist, you may want to choose a real woman. Being a real woman also goes beyond menial biological maturity. If you read High Priestess Lydia or Lady Pythia, you'll find out what being a real woman is. You don't want low-quality, so-called "women" that have nothing to offer but offspring.

You want someone that will transmit beneficial genes to your children. Genes go beyond appearance. They encapsulate personality traits and behaviour. They revolve around your entire level of evolution and advancement in every area of life, being the material encoding of the soul. A "woman" who spends her life watching pet videos on TIkTok, considering your level related to how many TikTok followers you have, and wasting all your money in unnecessary expenses, is a very low-quality woman, no matter how good she looks.

Consider your children will receive a significant amount of DNA from the female you procreate with. This is roughly 50% of her DNA. Do you want your children to be dumb, lack empathy and otherwise be disappointing on all levels but be attractive, or do you want your children to be blessed with as many beneficial qualities as possible on all levels? It's our responsibility to make sure new generations are better than we are, and not worth. To make them better, the very first level of this is for their parents to be of as high quality as possible.

The genetic make-up is the slowest thing to change, independently from how ideal of a society you live in. It can take an exceedingly high amount of resources (i.e. time, money, dedication, etc). Why waste time and effort on that just because of self-defeatist mindsets, when all those resources could instead be invested on rising yourself and your family higher? Also, the best way to solve a problem is to prevent it in the first place. Create a high-quality person, and rise their quality even higher!

What men can offer is mainly external in most cases because the universal masculine deals with external aspects of life: wealth, protection, stability, career, sociality, etc. What women can offer, usually deals with internal affairs: the home, the family, psychological support, nurturing in general, motherhood. Just see the main planets ruling masculinity (Mars, Sun) and femininity (Moon, Venus).

Let me ask you one question: what is the purpose of life if you're not working to improve yourself and your community?

If everything we had was easily won, it would have zero value as your pain, blood, sweat and tears haven't gone into it. And you would be bored forever, and have no will to live. Just think of how many people have things just thrown at them for no reason... they discard them just as easily, because there is no value in them. They had to make zero sacrifices to acquire. The thing they had to sacrifice themselves for, they will cling to very hard. They will get angry if someone mishandles them or damage them, have a fit if they somehow lose them.

If you can answer that question, you will have a starting point for self-awareness (i.e. understand what you want to achieve in your life) and goal-setting. When you set goals, you give your life structure, lessening the hold confusion and absent-mindedness have on your mind and emotions.

 

[Ĥl·lĥæ]

The extension of resources certainly generates fertility in women.
Biologically, resources and good genetics in men are more than the basis for all perfection.

Forcing women to choose less because of "humility" is a characteristic of weak and repressed Christians.
That's why women's sexuality degenerated so much, they were limited to old idiots, and their value to them was less than two sheep.
In this way, women were repressed in a way that was destructive, even for the species.

 

[FeetSmeller69]

Upon reading the original post, there were essentially 2 questions that was being asked. First: What am I suppose to do with myself? and Second: How do I get women to want me? Before going into answering these the first thing anyone should do when seeking answers is to let go of preconceived notions. This is to open the mind to seeing things from different perspectives outside the usual.

For the First Question:

The moment a man questions his purpose is the time one needs to reflect back on their life and the choices one made. From the moment they were born until this point in time what have you done? What have you achieved? You look towards the future with both anxiety and fear because it looks bleak in your eyes. Question why. Most likely, you are lost because you have never seen the proper example of what a man is and what they are capable of in the truest sense. This isn't about money, fame or amount of women. This is about the internal fulfillment that a man is capable of doing by striving towards a higher purpose. A man is a builder in a different way than women. Man by design is a directive force. This means constantly performing and acting in order to go higher. In order to do so, a man must first look within and ask themselves, what makes me a man?

This is where needs to strive towards purpose. Purpose is often misunderstood as something a man needs to "find". That isn't actually the case. Purpose is something you embody, something that centers the actions you take as well as the action in of itself. The mind needs stability, as without it there is only disorder and chaos. To do so you need to create for yourself goals and ambition. This gives your mind direction and focuses itself to take steps in that direction. It doesn't need to be the one and only goal in your life, you can choose to fulfill as many goals as you want. The point I am trying to make is that you need to set one to start walking right now. I can give you one right now since you are here -> Aim to achieve an intermediate level in spiritual understanding and power.

By locking on to a goal you put all your focus on achieving it. When an important goal is pursued with resolution and dedication and all ones varied activities fit together into a unified flow experience, the result is that harmony is brought to consciousness. Someone who is in harmony, no matter what he does, no matter what is happening to him, knows that all his psychic energy is not being wasted on doubt, regret, guilt and fear. It is always being usefully employed. When the consciousness is in harmony, there is no room for mental negativity. This is the internal fulfillment, knowing that you are achieving something by working towards a goal.

The Second Question:

When it comes to "getting women", there is a misunderstanding on how this happens. This is often due to poor social role models and examples when growing up. For the longest time, I wondered "why do women not choose me" or when I do find someone it ends up being a disastrous experience. This is due to a lack of both understanding of social dynamics in both parties as well as maturity. As a man, there isn't a need to "understand" what a woman wants in a man. Now what do I mean by this. Just as men have preferences, women too have preferences. Preferences doesn't mean "I want a man with a big dick and 6 ft tall" or "I want a woman with titties the size of a beach ball".

As a man one simply needs to do what men should do and strive for success and achievement. Women have their own problems with attracting men but that isn't our problem to deal with, its theirs. Don't make it your problem and don't make their problem the reason for your failure. All you need to do is find a woman that is supportive of your goals and direction. That should be the minimum requirement. After that just find one that fits your preference. Learn how to speak clearly, learn to be assertive and confident. If there are none around you don't mope and complain about why women suck because obviously you aren't looking in the right place. There are plenty of women in good relationships and plenty of men with good relationships. The problem isn't that women aren't good. The problem is that you aren't in the right place.

Last Note:

This is going to be a harsh truth. I write this with sincerity as its a mindset that I see too often. Grow up. The idea that men are replaceable the moment they lose value, the idea that men aren't valued just for being human, and the idea that men need to be valued by what they contribute to society are all natural and how the world works. Wanting to die and reincarnate into something else just to escape that reality simply proves an internal weakness you have and ones own worthlessness. You want to be valuable? That is something one proves, not one that is given or assumed. Our great HP Pythia proved her worth and was rewarded. This wasn't done in a day or without effort. She worked every day in a world that tirelessly tried to get her to quit even through death. And men can't even be bothered to help their family with housework yet want to be treated like kings. Tell me what man had worked even 1% of what HP Pythia has done for this world let alone "one inch away". A Man that was one inch away from the kind of Hero HP Pythia represent would be rewarded far more than "dating the modern woman" which in my opinion would be a gross disrespect of his value if it was.

Lastly, if you read this far, don't let yourself be beaten down without getting back up. Life is a wonderful thing and the moment you understand that not just in your mind but in your being, you will want to have more, work for more, and achieve more.

Hail Satan

I apologise for not replying to your post in the previous answer, I didn't see it when I hit the notifications. As for the first question, I have no comments, you're pretty much right. My family did have sone issues, male role models were non existent in my life and I was literally raised by the internet, with both the good and the bad. My spiritual understanding will come in time as I practice, but from what I read around here, I can expect little to nothing for a while other than sensations while meditating and what not.
As for the second, it seems oddly simple, but I'm skeptical. If it were that simple I doubt I'd be complaining. Sure, confidence and assertiveness work wonders, but those are qualities I'd like to have anyway, not just to catch someone's attention.
As for the last note, I don't really understand how you can believe two contradictory ideas at the same time. If we're inherently worthless, dying is inocuous by definition. Cherishing a worthless existence is the biggest form of cope I have ever read/heard. If suicide is a crime against oneself, it is because everyone is at least worth something. I do apologise for the phrasing. Comparing anyone against HPS Pythia is unfair for anyone being compared against her. It was hyperbole. Still, you said that a man who would have done what she did would be rewarded more, yet it really doesn't matter nor it has to be that way. After all, his life is still worthless and he's still repleaceable, right?
Thank you for the last motivational words. Though it's difficult to believe them after you essentially said my life is worthless. Still, great reply overall, thank you and sorry once more for not replying before.

 

[Windstrider666]

I apologise for not replying to your post in the previous answer, I didn't see it when I hit the notifications. As for the first question, I have no comments, you're pretty much right. My family did have sone issues, male role models were non existent in my life and I was literally raised by the internet, with both the good and the bad. My spiritual understanding will come in time as I practice, but from what I read around here, I can expect little to nothing for a while other than sensations while meditating and what not.
As for the second, it seems oddly simple, but I'm skeptical. If it were that simple I doubt I'd be complaining. Sure, confidence and assertiveness work wonders, but those are qualities I'd like to have anyway, not just to catch someone's attention.
As for the last note, I don't really understand how you can believe two contradictory ideas at the same time. If we're inherently worthless, dying is inocuous by definition. Cherishing a worthless existence is the biggest form of cope I have ever read/heard. If suicide is a crime against oneself, it is because everyone is at least worth something. I do apologise for the phrasing. Comparing anyone against HPS Pythia is unfair for anyone being compared against her. It was hyperbole. Still, you said that a man who would have done what she did would be rewarded more, yet it really doesn't matter nor it has to be that way. After all, his life is still worthless and he's still repleaceable, right?
Thank you for the last motivational words. Though it's difficult to believe them after you essentially said my life is worthless. Still, great reply overall, thank you and sorry once more for not replying before.

It only feels contradictory because the idea of "someone being worthless" is locked in as a permanent status rather than a changeable one. Someones value is something that goes up as well as something that can go down. One is worthless because "they provide nothing of value". Someone has worth because they "have value". And then worth goes into varying degrees of little worth to infinite worth. The more one strives towards achieving success and earning value the more "worth" they become.

This then when one starts to think like this starts to wonder what is the "standard of worth" that a person is being judged upon. This is divided into personal worth, societal/ community worth and then worth in the eyes of the Gods. There is probably more nuanced standards but these are the main three from my experience.

The reason suicide is looked down upon is because its the ultimate form of weakness and escapism. Unless one is in mortal danger at a true dead end, there is always at least one method available to someone in order to improve their situation. By choosing suicide you prove to your self without any doubt a lack of both courage and internal strength to overcome lifes ordeals. This cements itself in the psyche and becomes a very powerful self damaging scar that carries over the lifetimes.

 

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It only feels contradictory because the idea of "someone being worthless" is locked in as a permanent status rather than a changeable one. Someones value is something that goes up as well as something that can go down. One is worthless because "they provide nothing of value". Someone has worth because they "have value". And then worth goes into varying degrees of little worth to infinite worth. The more one strives towards achieving success and earning value the more "worth" they become.

This then when one starts to think like this starts to wonder what is the "standard of worth" that a person is being judged upon. This is divided into personal worth, societal/ community worth and then worth in the eyes of the Gods. There is probably more nuanced standards but these are the main three from my experience.

The reason suicide is looked down upon is because its the ultimate form of weakness and escapism. Unless one is in mortal danger at a true dead end, there is always at least one method available to someone in order to improve their situation. By choosing suicide you prove to your self without any doubt a lack of both courage and internal strength to overcome lifes ordeals. This cements itself in the psyche and becomes a very powerful self damaging scar that carries over the lifetimes.

I see, with this mutable concept at least the issue of men being worthless is kind of solved. Men are indeed worthless, but we at least get the "chance" not to be, if I understand it correctly. So a man that would have done what HPS Pythia has done wouldn't be worthless, since he kind of created value for himself. The standards of value that you mention seem to be fair, but the first 2 are easily corruptible while the latter would be inmutable. The Gods can see it all clearly, therefore your value in their eyes would mostly remain objectively precise. The other 2 can really change. Personal value, if we understand it as one's perception of oneself can range from being trivial to being permanently unsatisfactory. And the second really depends on the society we live in. In the current one a lot of bullshit is standardized. I think those 2 can be good only in a world where everyone follows the Gods as role models.
As for suicide, I can understand the perspective. I am not an advocate for it either, I just kinda pushed the argument in a purely logical way with the info I had at the moment. All in all, though, your reply clarifies some of my doubts, thank you very much.