Question #4900: about having kids

[Ask Satya Operator]

Ever since I was a child, I've never liked playing at having children (something very common among girls with their dolls) because I've never wanted to since I can remember.
And I grew up with it and never really wanted to, after I met my ex-boyfriend he awakened the desire to have, he seemed to make a great father, BUT I see many more things against having children than having, it will change my body a lot (I know I won't be young forever but I don't want to speed it up and the hormones of pregnancy seem to do it) I don't want my vagina increasing 10× the size or a giant scar on my belly (we don't know how it will come out if it's not in these two ways lol).
I don't want noises and cries ( I like silence ), I don't want to change diapers or go through that teenage phase where they are extremely annoying until they become aware and their hormones calm down, I don't want to spend money on others, I want to spend money on me... and other things
but I like children and I want to continue my family, I don't want to see my culture die and I think I'm the only one who has more access and power to pass it on and not see my ancestors forgotten.
(I'd even like to have my ex back, I love him)

 

[Lightning_Puma]

Everyone has their own preferences.
You live your life like you want to.

There's always adoption, but it is not a game.

 

[Henu the Great]

To have children is to make sacrifices for a great reward. In this case, personal preference would be put to hold, and the reward would be tenfold of going against certain preferences. It is easy to see how you would 'lose' something from an action such as this, but try to also look how you gain from it because there certainly is something to be gained. So much so that if you decide not to, you will have a sour moment in your deathbed.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

For most people, once they have children they automatically gain a new set of priorities, goals, and values that are entirely different from before they had children. It is not really comparable at all between what they used to value, and what they value now. What has been "lost" ends up becoming far less important and far less valuable than what they have gained.

 

[Black Book]

In addition to the other great replies, I will also mention there are also many bright and gifted children without parents that are in need of loving couples to adopt them. Adopting a child of your own race is a way to give them a chance to grow under the guidance of real parents, which is a very wonderful thing to give to them.

This would circumvent many of the issues you mention. Also, the typical bratty "teenage phase" you mention can also be minimized by raising children with proper spiritual values and instilling within them the importance of things like meditation.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

What you speak is a pure Yehuborim thing ,very biblical .Satanism is about individuality and what one feels is right for them and not sacrifice of life .Satanism has always been about doing what one feels is very right for them .This sacrifice and such words which you use seems utter Yehuborim thing to me and not a satanic thing .One must never do what they are uncomfortable with

Satanism was never about sacrificing one's personal preference just for something which you don't like .You are also utterly wrong when you say you gain tenfold when you compromise your main values in sacrifice of something which you are not interested in the first place

This forum is becoming like a Christian forums disguised under satanic facade .You find this kind of bizarre advices in Christian forums

A balance is required and you are over-reacting a bit here.

You can do whatever you want with your life, that is a solid foundation of Spiritual Satanism. There are no "Christian" things in this forum. It's just different opinions. If you ask a happy parent, they will tell you good things about parenting. If you ask a person that was forced, they will tell you they regret this. If you ask someone who doesn't care, they will tell you it's irrelevant in their life.

Our parents raised us all albeit we were "uncomfortable", "cried" and dirtied diapers. Of course, nobody is obligated to have children, but citing individuality around this topic is your personal preference. Others find that their individuality is expanded via having children and a family.

This dilemma of having children, or not having children, is a life based dilemma, not one that Spiritual Satanism brings forth. You are just experiencing an emotional reaction, but what is written there, is actually just basic logic.

You do not have to follow something else outside of your preferences or what you want, but life also does not exist to ignore this. For example, one is not obligated to have children, but the situation is that if one will lose certain things down the line, that is also a consequence of that choice.

Many people do not have the desire to have children, but in many others, it is a biological necessity and an emotional one. It might also not express itself in life due to lack of partner or circumstances. Still, as the idea that one cannot have children should be recognized, so should the need to have children.

This generation that is very much against that, is also going to have to face other grim realities because of these, and "individual liberty" will end at the end of this line, unless people who want to do this are helped in the process.

Individual liberty in higher levels contains the ability to procreate, create legacies, make sure you are protected in old age, and not only living a lifestyle that is focused on the "now". All of this is not outside personal liberty, it's about life's decisions which are longterm and important also in life, and will affect 50% of the duration of one's life.

The "I was free and individualist" phase of existence, starts to not be very plausible past a certain age. Before that age, many people want to solely invest themselves in their "Individuality", but that has a net cost later.

There is a scale here - Freedom and It's Consequence. Exercising "Freedom", does not mean you are only free, it means you are also creating consequences. One has to think the consequences over before one exercises individual freedom.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

What you speak is a pure Yehuborim thing ,very biblical .Satanism is about individuality and what one feels is right for them and not sacrifice of life .Satanism has always been about doing what one feels is very right for them .This sacrifice and such words which you use seems utter Yehuborim thing to me and not a satanic thing .One must never do what they are uncomfortable with

Satanism was never about sacrificing one's personal preference just for something which you don't like .You are also utterly wrong when you say you gain tenfold when you compromise your main values in sacrifice of something which you are not interested in the first place

This forum is becoming like a Christian forums disguised under satanic facade .You find this kind of bizarre advices in Christian forums

Satanism is not about narcissism or hedonism. It is not about "yolo" do whatever you want with no restrictions and no consequences.

Satanism is about the creation of better, stronger, and healthier people, and a better, stronger, and healthier Humanity. That we may build and create a powerful Golden Age Civilization of the Gods. An empire like this is not created by all people being narcissistic/hedonistic, and by doing only what would personally feel good to only themselves in that moment, and with nothing beneficial to anybody else.

Even as simple as if nobody had any children, then in one single generation all of Humanity would be erased and would not exist anymore. And there would be no human bodies on Earth for any of us to be born into.

Not all people are required to have children, and each person is allowed to make this decision. But it is very misguided to say that it is wrong, or Yehuborim, or christian, the concept that it is important to create greater works and greater benefits for all of humanity to benefit all of the world, instead of only caring about only yourself. Where would we be if the Gods cared only about their individual selves and did not sacrifice outside of themselves to work to give education to humanity?

 

[Henu the Great]

What you speak is a pure Yehuborim thing ,very biblical .Satanism is about individuality and what one feels is right for them and not sacrifice of life .Satanism has always been about doing what one feels is very right for them .This sacrifice and such words which you use seems utter Yehuborim thing to me and not a satanic thing .One must never do what they are uncomfortable with

Satanism was never about sacrificing one's personal preference just for something which you don't like .You are also utterly wrong when you say you gain tenfold when you compromise your main values in sacrifice of something which you are not interested in the first place

This forum is becoming like a Christian forums disguised under satanic facade .You find this kind of bizarre advices in Christian forums

You certainly have misunderstood what I have said. There are many things for you to still understand and to grow as a person if you see what I relayed as something 'Yehuborim' or 'christian'.

 

[Henu the Great]

There is a man living in the same town as me who is a very gifted athlete. He could have become a professional, or at least semi-professional if he wanted to, but instead of pursuing that path, he decided to make a family. He still trains and also competes sometimes. His son is also a very gifted athlete, a national level one. Now, perhaps you can see what I mean by what I posted.

 

[Padme]

Ever since I was a child, I've never liked playing at having children (something very common among girls with their dolls) because I've never wanted to since I can remember.
And I grew up with it and never really wanted to, after I met my ex-boyfriend he awakened the desire to have, he seemed to make a great father, BUT I see many more things against having children than having, it will change my body a lot (I know I won't be young forever but I don't want to speed it up and the hormones of pregnancy seem to do it) I don't want my vagina increasing 10× the size or a giant scar on my belly (we don't know how it will come out if it's not in these two ways lol).
I don't want noises and cries ( I like silence ), I don't want to change diapers or go through that teenage phase where they are extremely annoying until they become aware and their hormones calm down, I don't want to spend money on others, I want to spend money on me... and other things
but I like children and I want to continue my family, I don't want to see my culture die and I think I'm the only one who has more access and power to pass it on and not see my ancestors forgotten.
(I'd even like to have my ex back, I love him)

Having a children is really important for us because we can share our knowledge easier witht them BUT if you don't want kids having a kid would be harmful, both for you and the child. It is a preference, if you don't want it, nobody can say otherwise. Never let anyone make you sad because you don't want kids. It is your choice and we are always here for you as your Spritual Family.

 

[BlackSnake]

You should also read this.

 

[Belphegor$]

You should also read this.

general yeager mostly writes christian things REpackaged as satanism .I have been a christian for nearly 20 years and have become a satanist since the last 3 months .What general yeager speaks is complete christian nonsense and I dont agree with that link,not even a little .For every 100 person who gives birth to a child ,there are still 1-2 who do not want to have a child and its completely fine ..They may have focus on other important things in life .For the 1-2 who do not want to have child ,the rest 100 are gonna produce many children .So its not like any race is gonna become extinct

 

[AristocraticDragon666]

Ever since I was a child, I've never liked playing at having children (something very common among girls with their dolls) because I've never wanted to since I can remember.
And I grew up with it and never really wanted to, after I met my ex-boyfriend he awakened the desire to have, he seemed to make a great father, BUT I see many more things against having children than having, it will change my body a lot (I know I won't be young forever but I don't want to speed it up and the hormones of pregnancy seem to do it) I don't want my vagina increasing 10× the size or a giant scar on my belly (we don't know how it will come out if it's not in these two ways lol).
I don't want noises and cries ( I like silence ), I don't want to change diapers or go through that teenage phase where they are extremely annoying until they become aware and their hormones calm down, I don't want to spend money on others, I want to spend money on me... and other things
but I like children and I want to continue my family, I don't want to see my culture die and I think I'm the only one who has more access and power to pass it on and not see my ancestors forgotten.
(I'd even like to have my ex back, I love him)

You may or may not have children, it's your choice and your decision, no matter what you choose.

As you get older, you may change your mind and want children, things can change.

 

[Moonlight24]

Ever since I was a child, I've never liked playing at having children (something very common among girls with their dolls) because I've never wanted to since I can remember.
And I grew up with it and never really wanted to, after I met my ex-boyfriend he awakened the desire to have, he seemed to make a great father, BUT I see many more things against having children than having, it will change my body a lot (I know I won't be young forever but I don't want to speed it up and the hormones of pregnancy seem to do it) I don't want my vagina increasing 10× the size or a giant scar on my belly (we don't know how it will come out if it's not in these two ways lol).
I don't want noises and cries ( I like silence ), I don't want to change diapers or go through that teenage phase where they are extremely annoying until they become aware and their hormones calm down, I don't want to spend money on others, I want to spend money on me... and other things
but I like children and I want to continue my family, I don't want to see my culture die and I think I'm the only one who has more access and power to pass it on and not see my ancestors forgotten.
(I'd even like to have my ex back, I love hi

• You're just not ready for kids yet. I didn't want children either, and I didn't even think about them. but a moment happened and I really wanted to have a loved one always by my side. This desire was enough for the birth of a child. 98% happiness and 2% worries)))
  
  
  
• Im sorry for my English

 

[Wotanwarrior]

general yeager mostly writes christian things REpackaged as satanism .I have been a christian for nearly 20 years and have become a satanist since the last 3 months .What general yeager speaks is complete christian nonsense and I dont agree with that link,not even a little .For every 100 person who gives birth to a child ,there are still 1-2 who do not want to have a child and its completely fine ..They may have focus on other important things in life .For the 1-2 who do not want to have child ,the rest 100 are gonna produce many children .So its not like any race is gonna become extinct

I agree with what you say about General Yeager and I don't agree with some things he says, like that sex is only for having children or looking for a partner out of duty for having children at all costs.
But family and having children is one of the fundamental pillars in a healthy and advanced society, in my personal opinion I recommend you to focus first on finding a suitable partner and forge a solid relationship and then decide if you want to start a family.

About the family from a Satanic point of view, without Christian nonsense:

Marriage & Baptism in Spiritual Satanism: About Love

Besides the Ethics section which is the best globally in it's kind, I am going to be including more things in it as "Life Ethics". Among these there will be marriage and other important topics. All of these will be explained from the standpoint of the Gods and how they advise us to live our life...

ancient-forums.com

Life Ethics - Marriage IV

Life Ethics - Procreation V

 

[AscendingSerpent]

general yeager mostly writes christian things REpackaged as satanism .I have been a christian for nearly 20 years and have become a satanist since the last 3 months .What general yeager speaks is complete christian nonsense and I dont agree with that link,not even a little .For every 100 person who gives birth to a child ,there are still 1-2 who do not want to have a child and its completely fine ..They may have focus on other important things in life .For the 1-2 who do not want to have child ,the rest 100 are gonna produce many children .So its not like any race is gonna become extinct

What you speak is a pure Yehuborim thing ,very biblical .Satanism is about individuality and what one feels is right for them and not sacrifice of life .Satanism has always been about doing what one feels is very right for them .This sacrifice and such words which you use seems utter Yehuborim thing to me and not a satanic thing .One must never do what they are uncomfortable with

Satanism was never about sacrificing one's personal preference just for something which you don't like .You are also utterly wrong when you say you gain tenfold when you compromise your main values in sacrifice of something which you are not interested in the first place

This forum is becoming like a Christian forums disguised under satanic facade .You find this kind of bizarre advices in Christian forums

This is LaVeyan, Yehuborim and depopulative. LaVeyans honk about hedonism and rejection of idea of sacrifice which is needed to raise a kid. If someone wants to raise his child, then he wants to make this sacrifice of time, effort, care , money and many other things. Having children in Yehuborim media is presented as unpleasant and unworthy resignation from mostly hedonistic and consumerist values. Things like "you wont be able to go on vacation", "you wont be able to go out with friends", "you wont be able to get new iphone every year" etc are plastered everywhere. This plays well with depopulation agenda and consumerism pushed by ever shekel hungry Yehuborim megacorporations. After all if you wont have a kid then you will probably get this iphone every year to fill the psychic space so to say, with materialism.

This is Nth topic when these two trends of hedonism and sacrifice collide and its a major source of confusion on JoS, especially for newcomers I think.
Its also a major confusion between satanic individualism in accordance to 36 Virtues of the Gods and Yehuborim limitless hedonistic individualism which is auto destructive chaotic blackhole.
I think the last two lines above are basically the same

Sacrifice is bad because of Xianity and LaVeyanism, so as usual its the two apparent extremes playing in harmony from many angles against the golden middle point where the life itself dwells. Doesn't it look familar...?

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Why is it always the most spiritually weak and damaged people who are extremely selfish, narcissistic, harmful to the people around them.

And as people spiritually advance and improve, the spiritually advanced people are always the most caring, the most benevolent, and do the highest amount of work to help the people around them and improve the world.

This is a very clear spectrum that is directly tied to the health and the growth of the soul.

 

[WishtoTimeTravel]

A balance is required and you are over-reacting a bit here.

You can do whatever you want with your life, that is a solid foundation of Spiritual Satanism. There are no "Christian" things in this forum. It's just different opinions. If you ask a happy parent, they will tell you good things about parenting. If you ask a person that was forced, they will tell you they regret this. If you ask someone who doesn't care, they will tell you it's irrelevant in their life.

Our parents raised us all albeit we were "uncomfortable", "cried" and dirtied diapers. Of course, nobody is obligated to have children, but citing individuality around this topic is your personal preference. Others find that their individuality is expanded via having children and a family.

This dilemma of having children, or not having children, is a life based dilemma, not one that Spiritual Satanism brings forth. You are just experiencing an emotional reaction, but what is written there, is actually just basic logic.

You do not have to follow something else outside of your preferences or what you want, but life also does not exist to ignore this. For example, one is not obligated to have children, but the situation is that if one will lose certain things down the line, that is also a consequence of that choice.

Many people do not have the desire to have children, but in many others, it is a biological necessity and an emotional one. It might also not express itself in life due to lack of partner or circumstances. Still, as the idea that one cannot have children should be recognized, so should the need to have children.

This generation that is very much against that, is also going to have to face other grim realities because of these, and "individual liberty" will end at the end of this line, unless people who want to do this are helped in the process.

Individual liberty in higher levels contains the ability to procreate, create legacies, make sure you are protected in old age, and not only living a lifestyle that is focused on the "now". All of this is not outside personal liberty, it's about life's decisions which are longterm and important also in life, and will affect 50% of the duration of one's life.

The "I was free and individualist" phase of existence, starts to not be very plausible past a certain age. Before that age, many people want to solely invest themselves in their "Individuality", but that has a net cost later.

There is a scale here - Freedom and It's Consequence. Exercising "Freedom", does not mean you are only free, it means you are also creating consequences. One has to think the consequences over before one exercises individual freedom.

Yes. Hit the nail on the head. I am in a dilemma as well but will choose what is best for me and my life circumstance.