Problems I see in Zevist Communities

[Padme]

Well, I probably gonna be hated because of this but Instead of looking for an answer in my head, it makes more sense to take your thoughts into consideration.

I love Theology of TEMPLE OF ZEUS Ministries and can say the rituals, meditations and other spiritual works inspired by this community helped not just me but so many peoe. Although, there are some problems in the ideology in general (at least according to my point of view). So i want to ask your opinion about it.

1-Conspiracy theories;
Some of the ideologies and beliefs are looks like pure theories. Like Vhril Society, Nazis going to the Space etc...
Isn't it kinda looks problematic? Focusing on National Socialist ideology and justifying it with the Occult knowledge is not making sense to me. In general, WW2 regime is a good ideology but focusing the entire teaching of a religion to it seems kinda off to me. Occult teachings has always been associated with political ideologies but Esoteric Nazism is kinda extreme.


2-White Supermacist İdeology;
I saw some members talking about "how people hate whites" or "black people have to leave white countries".
The biggest majority of our world is white people and I have never see or Heard a white person getting hate because of their race or culture. When it comes to Black people, White people were the ones who took black people to Europe and Americabecause of slavery and now we are hating on them cause we enslaved them and leave them from their homeland without their consent? That is just pure racism and everything but not potential person of the Gods Brotherhood our Society talks about.

3-Yehuborim People and Hate;
I see the Anti-Semiticism and it is not only exist in ToZ but in so many other Occult and Esoteric teachings. But associating everything we don't like yehuborim is not making sense. I saw people talking about Gypsies, Communism, Socialism and other things has nothing to do with Yehuborim Culture and Religion. At this point it feels like we are just acting like yehuborim, who says "it is Work of Satan" at everything they don't agree with.

UFO theories, Extra-Terrestials, Esoteric Nazism, Neo-Paganism and Modern Spirituality (even tho this community ignore the fact that some of our teaching is purely associated with this teaching) and many things else...


I want to learn other peoples opinions about this things, i am not here to hate (even tho probably i will get lots of hate messages) but to learn.

Have a nice day.

 

[BlackFlame333X2]

You should give this book a read, maybe it will bring together some parallels for you.

Amazon.com: The Secret Doctrine: The Classic Work, Abridged and Annotated: 9781585427086: Blavatsky, H.P., Gomes, Michael: Books

Amazon.com: The Secret Doctrine: The Classic Work, Abridged and Annotated: 9781585427086: Blavatsky, H.P., Gomes, Michael: Books

www.amazon.com

 

[Padme]

More evidence yehuborim were behind the Atlantic slave trade:

https://mindseyemag.com/magazine/the-Yehuborim-slave-trade/

Watch this lecture by Black professor Tony Martin on how yehuborim were behind it:

https://odysee.com/@nobody:d/professor-tony-martin-the-Yehuborim-slave-trade-of-africans:f

Do you hate slavery? Blame the yehuborim behind it.

I also suspect that the yehuborim were behind the Muslim slave trade too (which lasted longer and was more damaging than the Atlantic slave trade, as they castrated the male African slaves and treated them worse than Whites did. They also enslaved Whites in the Muslim slave trade, so Whites were slaves too). Maybe someone who does their research on that can come up with evidence about it. But it's interesting that nobody mentions the Muslim slave trade and blame Whitey instead.

But it's also interesting that the Whites first abolished slavery. After they abolished slavery, the British visited African tribes to tell them to stop enslaving each other because it's bad and these tribes thought that the British were returning to buy their slaves! Slavery is illegal everywhere thanks to Whites, but despite that there are African and Arab countries that still practice slavery today.

Thanks for being kind and explain it. I will look at the sources you send. Have a nice day.

 

[The Alchemist7 [SG]]

Hello. The "problems" that you see in the ideology are not "our problems", our something "wrong" in ToZ for bringing them up, these are subjects that are grossly misunderstood by people, who in their vast majority and very ignorant, clueless and uninterested into what is happening in the world. If most people out there don't believe in something, that doesn't make it a "conspiracy theory" etc, most people don't give a damn about what they call "conspiracy theories". As you can probably agree, most people are not exactly very good at identifying what is true or not because most people believe into the worst things possible and the state of the world currently reflects this.

1-Conspiracy theories;
Some of the ideologies and beliefs are looks like pure theories. Like Vhril Society, Nazis going to the Space etc...
Isn't it kinda looks problematic? Focusing on National Socialist ideology and justifying it with the Occult knowledge is not making sense to me. In general, WW2 regime is a good ideology but focusing the entire teaching of a religion to it seems kinda off to me. Occult teachings has always been associated with political ideologies but Esoteric Nazism is kinda extreme.

I don't recall seeing in ToZ any mention of Nazis going into the space and related. Yes at the time Germany was the most advanced country in the world as far as science, knowledge and evolution are concerned. It took 4 most powerful nations on Earth to defeat Germany in WW2. The reason this sounds "problematic" is because most people have no clue about Nazi Germany and only know what the enemy wrote about it after WW2. I wouldn't call "problematic" or "conspiracy theory" something that I have no idea about other than the obviously biased and subjective sources of the enemy. Also I am not sure where are you getting the conclusion from that the entire TEMPLE OF ZEUS as a religion is based WW2 regime. There are a few websites dedicated to showing the truth about Nazi Germany and exposing all of the WW2 and enemy lies about it, other than this there is no other major "focus" on Nazism anywhere on ToZ, apart from being mentioned here and there in certain sermons or articles. The most important is that figure of the past and his people were followers of the Gods and they attempted to bring ancient paganism/Zevism back to humanity. This is where the connection comes from. They followed the ancient Gods just like we do, the rest is mostly misinformation and slander by the people whose ancestors destroyed ancient paganism and replaced it with christianity and islam.

2-White Supermacist İdeology;
I saw some members talking about "how people hate whites" or "black people have to leave white countries".
The biggest majority of our world is white people and I have never see or Heard a white person getting hate because of their race or culture. When it comes to Black people, White people were the ones who took black people to Europe and Americabecause of slavery and now we are hating on them cause we enslaved them and leave them from their homeland without their consent? That is just pure racism and everything but not potential person of the Gods Brotherhood our Society talks about.

Again I haven't seen anywhere on ToZ even a single claim that White are supreme or anything of the sorts. Yes, Whites are the most spiritual of the human races and historically they have created many civilizations that lasted thousands of years, I guess there is no doubt about that. It is also true that most of the Gods are "White" so to say, in the sense that they have created the White race after their direct expression so to say. That doesn't have anything to do with any supremacy and whatever insanity the mass media is throwing on White people. Zevism is a "religion" for all Potential people of the Gods irrespective of their race. Since humans existed we have all been designed to follow the Gods and learn the crafts they have provided us in order to advance as a civilization. There are depictions of this in ancient pictures or other works.

The problem of "black people have to leave white countries" is not that simple. There is a complex mechanism behind "multiculturalism", how and why it happens but most people try to make it very simple and categorical, it's not. We people just like animals are not designed by nature to race-mix. Historically civilizations where widespread race-mixing occurred slowly started to perish.

3-Yehuborim People and Hate;
I see the Anti-Semiticism and it is not only exist in ToZ but in so many other Occult and Esoteric teachings. But associating everything we don't like yehuborim is not making sense. I saw people talking about Gypsies, Communism, Socialism and other things has nothing to do with Yehuborim Culture and Religion. At this point it feels like we are just acting like yehuborim, who says "it is Work of Satan" at everything they don't agree with.

There are a lot of things you completely misunderstand about the above. Communism as an ideology has been created by yehuborim people with the intend to spread and implement it in potential person of the Gods nations in order to gain political control over them. This is exactly what happened in Soviet Russia where Yehuborim bankers funded the communist takeover of the country. You seem to think Yehuborim culture and religion only related to judaism and Israel, and anything else is not "Yehuborim". This has all been explained with obvious historical evidence in so many articles and the other sites within ToZ. I really wonder if people who call ToZ "conspiracy theorist", "nazi", "antisemite" etc. simply jump to these conclusions without reading at all what ToZ has to say about these matters? Then this only proves my point above, people are lazy, ignorant and clueless.

It took HPS Pythia, HP Zevios Metathronos and all other contributing members years and years of study and research to put all this information together, and it takes a normal person just a few hours to read for example the entire Black Sun 666 website (without all websites within), that says a lot about human ignorance and the "comfort" of just being "let be" doing whatever irrelevant things they want like wasting their entire existence on facebook, instagram or tiktok and working like donkeys 8-12 hours a day most of their lives in order to "afford" to exist in this Yehuborim economy while the enemy slowly grabs power over the entire planet. But this is a "conspiracy theory" as well isn't it so perhaps people should't bother with these "antisemite" and "racist" ideas.

 

[Padme]

Hello. The "problems" that you see in the ideology are not "our problems", our something "wrong" in ToZ for bringing them up, these are subjects that are grossly misunderstood by people, who in their vast majority and very ignorant, clueless and uninterested into what is happening in the world. If most people out there don't believe in something, that doesn't make it a "conspiracy theory" etc, most people don't give a damn about what they call "conspiracy theories". As you can probably agree, most people are not exactly very good at identifying what is true or not because most people believe into the worst things possible and the state of the world currently reflects this.


I don't recall seeing in ToZ any mention of Nazis going into the space and related. Yes at the time Germany was the most advanced country in the world as far as science, knowledge and evolution are concerned. It took 4 most powerful nations on Earth to defeat Germany in WW2. The reason this sounds "problematic" is because most people have no clue about Nazi Germany and only know what the enemy wrote about it after WW2. I wouldn't call "problematic" or "conspiracy theory" something that I have no idea about other than the obviously biased and subjective sources of the enemy. Also I am not sure where are you getting the conclusion from that the entire TEMPLE OF ZEUS as a religion is based WW2 regime. There are a few websites dedicated to showing the truth about Nazi Germany and exposing all of the WW2 and enemy lies about it, other than this there is no other major "focus" on Nazism anywhere on ToZ, apart from being mentioned here and there in certain sermons or articles. The most important is that figure of the past and his people were followers of the Gods and they attempted to bring ancient paganism/Zevism back to humanity. This is where the connection comes from. They followed the ancient Gods just like we do, the rest is mostly misinformation and slander by the people whose ancestors destroyed ancient paganism and replaced it with christianity and islam.


Again I haven't seen anywhere on ToZ even a single claim that White are supreme or anything of the sorts. Yes, Whites are the most spiritual of the human races and historically they have created many civilizations that lasted thousands of years, I guess there is no doubt about that. It is also true that most of the Gods are "White" so to say, in the sense that they have created the White race after their direct expression so to say. That doesn't have anything to do with any supremacy and whatever insanity the mass media is throwing on White people. Zevism is a "religion" for all Potential people of the Gods irrespective of their race. Since humans existed we have all been designed to follow the Gods and learn the crafts they have provided us in order to advance as a civilization. There are depictions of this in ancient pictures or other works.

The problem of "black people have to leave white countries" is not that simple. There is a complex mechanism behind "multiculturalism", how and why it happens but most people try to make it very simple and categorical, it's not. We people just like animals are not designed by nature to race-mix. Historically civilizations where widespread race-mixing occurred slowly started to perish.


There are a lot of things you completely misunderstand about the above. Communism as an ideology has been created by yehuborim people with the intend to spread and implement it in potential person of the Gods nations in order to gain political control over them. This is exactly what happened in Soviet Russia where Yehuborim bankers funded the communist takeover of the country. You seem to think Yehuborim culture and religion only related to judaism and Israel, and anything else is not "Yehuborim". This has all been explained with obvious historical evidence in so many articles and the other sites within ToZ. I really wonder if people who call ToZ "conspiracy theorist", "nazi", "antisemite" etc. simply jump to these conclusions without reading at all what ToZ has to say about these matters? Then this only proves my point above, people are lazy, ignorant and clueless.

It took HPS Pythia, HP Zevios Metathronos and all other contributing members years and years of study and research to put all this information together, and it takes a normal person just a few hours to read for example the entire Black Sun 666 website (without all websites within), that says a lot about human ignorance and the "comfort" of just being "let be" doing whatever irrelevant things they want like wasting their entire existence on facebook, instagram or tiktok and working like donkeys 8-12 hours a day most of their lives in order to "afford" to exist in this Yehuborim economy while the enemy slowly grabs power over the entire planet. But this is a "conspiracy theory" as well isn't it so perhaps people should't bother with these "antisemite" and "racist" ideas.

Thank you for your answers. About Nazis going into the space I read it in TEMPLE OF ZEUS Turkey, i will leave a link here: https://spirituelsatanizm.org/phaeton-mars-vril-cemiyeti-nazi-ufosu-nazilerin-dunya-disina-kacisi/

 

[Padme]

yehuborim enslaved Blacks, not Whites. Most Black slave owner were yehuborim

I did look at the sources both people from this Forum gave me and the sources I found on my own. Most of the academicians accept that yehuborim had slaves but there are no source about it "becoming with yehuborim".

Than you should open your eyes. Whites are the most hated by yehuborim and they control the andropod. A White is racist for giving any recognition to his race, but any other race can do this. Whites have been genocides many times in history, by yehuborim.

yehuborim tried to enslave every potential person of the Gods, not just whites. I really have a hard time to understand anti-white racism, I tried to talk with people about it but only things I heard about this spesific topic is "why blacks have a special months and whites don't". And to be honest if a person is willingly says that they do not have any idea about what happened in our worlds last decades.

Nazism is a product of Zevism, not otherwise. You might have some programming in you about Nazism, otherwise, people would have no problem with it.

This is not answering my other questions about theories. There are so many things that not supported by any real source. We talk about Phaeton but it is a theory that usually ignored by most of the scientist and academicians. There are "Nazis escape from the world and going to the space" (https://ancient-forums.com/threads/phaeton-mars-vril-society-nazi-ufo-nazis-escape-off-world.19847/) and many more.
I do accept that Nazi leaders were interested in Occult and had inspired by it.

First learn our knowledge, because you clearly haven't read anything, just heard some stuff on the forums.

I am reading your sources and informations posted in offical sites of ToZ. We have this Forum because Zevism is wide ocean and you can't wait for me to learn, understand and believe everything in that ocean. Even the HPs do not know the all story, this is why they publishing new information and keep learning. This community created in 2002 and it takes year to read all of the published information they published since 2002. This why I am asking questions.

 

[Padme]

You should give this book a read, maybe it will bring together some parallels for you.

Amazon.com: The Secret Doctrine: The Classic Work, Abridged and Annotated: 9781585427086: Blavatsky, H.P., Gomes, Michael: Books

Amazon.com: The Secret Doctrine: The Classic Work, Abridged and Annotated: 9781585427086: Blavatsky, H.P., Gomes, Michael: Books

www.amazon.com

Thanks, i will look for it

 

[Amonsek]

I agree with 2, I think it's one of the few things that prevents ToZ from moving forward, I'm not talking about the clergy, whenever this subject is discussed they have a good attitude, especially Hp. Zevios

90% of the time this subject becomes frustrating is in relation to some members talking nonsense (unfortunately ToZ attracts these types of people)

The 10% is in relation to blaming everything that the white race did bad on the yehuborim, yes the yehuborim started slavery, every Portuguese royal family (slavery in Brazil) was descended from yehuborim of great power, this is even in the history books, what I find frustrating is forgetting that there was no white revolt defending other races, which makes the white race guilty, when you witness a crime and do nothing, you are also guilty, I read some books that made me reflect on this, the karma of the white man is the ego. Once I was reading a post about someone asking if they'd had an experience with Satan, one person commented "all you need to know is that Satan is a white, blond, blue-eyed man" I thought that was rather stupid, since the Gods appear in various mythologies and in various forms, in Yoruba mythology, all the Gods presented themselves with dark skin
I don't agree with this thing about Gods having color or human races, I'll only believe if a God tells me, I've already asked, and he advised me to have my own thoughts and experiences

I don't think the yehuborim hate the white race more than anything, if I were in slavery, I would certainly prefer to live in a white family, a thousand times better than as a slave being whipped day and night

The consequences of slavery can still be seen today: black people have the least access to quality education, the least access to leisure and are the majority of the poor and street population. I say this living in Brazil, of course whites also suffer this, but not as much as the black and indigenous masses

Apart from the racial theme, ToZ is wonderful and worth following, no one is obliged to believe in these things, live Zevism and have your own experiences
We're not the first people to notice or complain about this

 

[satanandmeii]

Well, I probably gonna be hated because of this but Instead of looking for an answer in my head, it makes more sense to take your thoughts into consideration.

I love Theology of TEMPLE OF ZEUS Ministries and can say the rituals, meditations and other spiritual works inspired by this community helped not just me but so many peoe. Although, there are some problems in the ideology in general (at least according to my point of view). So i want to ask your opinion about it.

1-Conspiracy theories;
Some of the ideologies and beliefs are looks like pure theories. Like Vhril Society, Nazis going to the Space etc...
Isn't it kinda looks problematic? Focusing on National Socialist ideology and justifying it with the Occult knowledge is not making sense to me. In general, WW2 regime is a good ideology but focusing the entire teaching of a religion to it seems kinda off to me. Occult teachings has always been associated with political ideologies but Esoteric Nazism is kinda extreme.


2-White Supermacist İdeology;
I saw some members talking about "how people hate whites" or "black people have to leave white countries".
The biggest majority of our world is white people and I have never see or Heard a white person getting hate because of their race or culture. When it comes to Black people, White people were the ones who took black people to Europe and Americabecause of slavery and now we are hating on them cause we enslaved them and leave them from their homeland without their consent? That is just pure racism and everything but not potential person of the Gods Brotherhood our Society talks about.

3-Yehuborim People and Hate;
I see the Anti-Semiticism and it is not only exist in ToZ but in so many other Occult and Esoteric teachings. But associating everything we don't like yehuborim is not making sense. I saw people talking about Gypsies, Communism, Socialism and other things has nothing to do with Yehuborim Culture and Religion. At this point it feels like we are just acting like yehuborim, who says "it is Work of Satan" at everything they don't agree with.

UFO theories, Extra-Terrestials, Esoteric Nazism, Neo-Paganism and Modern Spirituality (even tho this community ignore the fact that some of our teaching is purely associated with this teaching) and many things else...


I want to learn other peoples opinions about this things, i am not here to hate (even tho probably i will get lots of hate messages) but to learn.

Have a nice day.

Hi i also had those moments last year and i am not really excellent or anything but when i found the server and read up on everything i was like wtf, i had to take like multiple encounters with the main page to try to understand what the heck i found

but as much as i like to be open and consider all the possibilities i stuck with the good aspects of this place like the meditations and slowly things started making a hell of alot of sense believe it or not

It’s really intriguing but the thing is to experience other view points and try my best to understand others.!! That’s the key to coexistence i figured

You can advance faster if you just give less of a fuck and embrace the fear. You don’t need to make up excuses to not practice, i did that one time. Your mind will not get satisfied no matter how appealing it could have been. Even investigation into satan being good and stuff is all just to get some ease so you can have a justification, don’t hold yourself back.

ToZ really opened me up and i am thankful i had the experiences i had, i just jumpd to embrace the fear and unknown aspects that i can not get relief from to be perfect and master myself. it is a personal thing so when maybe wanting friends and sharing might create too much interest on why things can’t be different.

It’s always good to work on yourself but don’t forget the meditations came from the ToZ via satan

 

[Ĥl·lĥæ]

Well, I probably gonna be hated because of this .

You've been an Zevism for a year and haven't understood the logical reasoning behind things?
Well, I don't judge you because there are people who don't study and don't look for information on their own that proves things.

Zevism makes assertions. You must then look for the proof for yourself.

It saddens me to see someone make this kind of post here because you'll only hear nonsense and idiotic repetitions that won't prove anything to you.
So focus on your studies of these things and preserve your mental health.

There's a lot you'll regret asking because you could have researched it yourself.

 

[Padme]

I agree with 2, I think it's one of the few things that prevents ToZ from moving forward, I'm not talking about the clergy, whenever this subject is discussed they have a good attitude, especially Hp. Zevios

90% of the time this subject becomes frustrating is in relation to some members talking nonsense (unfortunately ToZ attracts these types of people)

The 10% is in relation to blaming everything that the white race did bad on the yehuborim, yes the yehuborim started slavery, every Portuguese royal family (slavery in Brazil) was descended from yehuborim of great power, this is even in the history books, what I find frustrating is forgetting that there was no white revolt defending other races, which makes the white race guilty, when you witness a crime and do nothing, you are also guilty, I read some books that made me reflect on this, the karma of the white man is the ego. Once I was reading a post about someone asking if they'd had an experience with Satan, one person commented "all you need to know is that Satan is a white, blond, blue-eyed man" I thought that was rather stupid, since the Gods appear in various mythologies and in various forms, in Yoruba mythology, all the Gods presented themselves with dark skin
I don't agree with this thing about Gods having color or human races, I'll only believe if a God tells me, I've already asked, and he advised me to have my own thoughts and experiences

I don't think the yehuborim hate the white race more than anything, if I were in slavery, I would certainly prefer to live in a white family, a thousand times better than as a slave being whipped day and night

The consequences of slavery can still be seen today: black people have the least access to quality education, the least access to leisure and are the majority of the poor and street population. I say this living in Brazil, of course whites also suffer this, but not as much as the black and indigenous masses

Apart from the racial theme, ToZ is wonderful and worth following, no one is obliged to believe in these things, live Zevism and have your own experiences
We're not the first people to notice or complain about this

I believe that was the best answer that i got. Thank you for sharing your ideologies.

 

[SatAnon]

I believe that was the best answer that i got. Thank you for sharing your ideologies.

You think it's the best because it confirms your bias. But it's factually wrong and I totally debunked it above.

 

[The Alchemist7 [SG]]

Thank you for your answers. About Nazis going into the space I read it in TEMPLE OF ZEUS Turkey, i will leave a link here: https://spirituelsatanizm.org/phaeton-mars-vril-cemiyeti-nazi-ufosu-nazilerin-dunya-disina-kacisi/

I found the English article that was translated from, which is this:

Phaeton, Mars, Vril Society, Nazi UFO, Nazi's Escape Off World

Phaeton, Mars, Vril Society, Nazi UFO, Nazi's Escape Off World The past articles I did on Phaeton, Mars, Earth and the war in our solar system ten thousand years ago. And the question about the information that was leaked in the original Star Wars movie relating to this, are all answered. This...

ancient-forums.com

But keep in mind that it has been written by a former member of the Clergy who was weeded out so anything written by him is to be taken with a pinch of salt.
On one hand the German did have space research programs and so did the Russians and Americans, but if you refer to the part where it says that figure of the past and other top Zevism have been rescued out of Earth, the only thing that I am going to say is that the claim that he committed suicide was a forgery created by their enemies to convince humanity that they defeated the "evil Nazism". As far as I researched, they lied that his skull was displayed at a Museum in Moscow, if I remember correctly a laboratory from United States stated that was a female skull. As to what really happened with figure of the past, people can talk many things.

If you expect present science and academicians to prove scientifically everything that is written on ToZ about spirituality and other matters, you are looking in the wrong place. Scientific circles, Universities, Research Institutes, Laboratories, they all fall under the same blanket of enemy control as any other area of the Western society. They control the banks, the mass media, most major corporations, the science as well. Is quite common knowledge by now and has been for many years but if people keep treating these as "conspiracy theories" then nothing will ever change. This is why we speak about these things in the first place and try to shed light, to shift humanity from falling into enemy hands.

 

[Kingfisher]

Hundreds of thousands of Americans died fighting to help end slavery in the US. Whether or not that was the primary cause of the US Civil War, ending slavery was a key psychological motivator behind the decision to fight.

The international slave trade was largely ended by a collaboration of US, France, England, and Russia. Forfeiture laws in the US owe much of their existence to the effort to combat the slave trade by seizing slave ships. In much of the non-white world, slavery remains legal to this day.

Whites are the only major ethnic group in the world that are seriously concerned about the well-being of other groups. Before the Industrial Revolution, almost everyone lived on the equivalent of less than a dollar a day. European innovations and works made almost everyone in the world much wealthier.

Out of all the major ethnic groups, Whites have the lowest amount of ethnocentrism. But it is only our ethnocentrism that is ever criticized. We are expected to be totally race-blind, when everyone knows that Blacks, Asians, and Arabs are ethnocentric and no one ever complains about that.

I have never seen a material amount of non-whites ever take the side of Whites on an issue. It would make cooperation so much easier if non-whites would just concede that we have the right to exist. But even this is too much to ask, while we are expected to be completely colorblind. At this point, it is a fool's errand to attempt to convince non-whites that we have the right to exist. We just have to take our own side.