Our temple is no longer a place for freedom of expression

If you don’t know ALL the details which are known by Clergy and others, and say to curse is not fair. Then it’s better to stay silent.

What is this entitlement of oh I saw what I saw and I think this is not good to curse because this is all I see.

“What I don’t see, doesn’t happen?”

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U Contradict urself now because u haven't know all situation and u already share urs opinion, I'm proud of u so much because ur out of context and if u would pay more attention u would notice that I already was confused by translator but it's easy to continue to trolling for u instead of see that situation properly, please share more of urs important opinions because it's really and totally important for me, because sure thing the troll like u know more than me for sure and of course because we created account recently we're not right even if we done initiate to Zeus/Satan long time ago

Recently, a dispute erupted on the Vultus Templorum platform among our brothers and sisters regarding the cursing of trolls who, it is claimed, have caused real harm to our temple. Personally, I ignored these trolls, since they did not harm me, and expressed the opinion that these fools do not deserve our attention. My words were met with hostility, and I was bombarded with a barrage of criticism, mostly for weakness or for supposedly having a Christian mindset, even though I have been a pagan since childhood and have never shown mercy to the Abrahamic faiths in real life. That evening, I merely suggested that these trolls don’t deserve our attention, and then they started trolling me, even though I didn’t insult anyone in response and presented my arguments, which I never insisted on. The Temple teaches ethics, but it seems that Priest @P.alexandrosiown’s ethics consist of trolling me and insisting that I inspire people with my opinions. I don’t know what’s wrong with you; I’ve always called you my brothers and sisters, including in real life, because I spent most of my time serving the Gods in real life, not on the Internet. To be honest, I am shocked and offended by the community’s dismissive attitude toward me, and I am not going to tolerate insults, whether from a priest or anyone else. And just between us, you have hurt me far more than this troll could ever have affected me.
It's better if I just shut up and don't express my opinion, my faith in you has been shaken, but not my faith in the Gods

Heil Satvrn Heil Maat

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I asked to delate that post, i dont know why it's still here

I asked to delate that post, i dont know why it's still here

Why delete? Let lesson be learned forever.

Recently, a dispute erupted on the Vultus Templorum platform among our brothers and sisters regarding the cursing of trolls who, it is claimed, have caused real harm to our temple

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Why delete? Let lesson be learned forever.

It wasn't a lesson, it was a translator's mistake, pay more attention alredy

We are sorry that we trolls share the disaster and the damages that manifest and are released because of the cleansing and the adp.
And I am sorry for those who curse brothers and sisters who create damage to the temple and do not know how to process and manage the yehuborim, transforming it into light.

Darkness is light turned inside out.
In case you didn't know,
Members of the temple who curse other members."

I can't even imagine how personal someone can take it to curse a brother or a sister.
Regardless of whether they are a member troll or a well-known member, as long as they are here, they have performed an initiation ritual and are part of the 'Temple's DNA.'
Meanwhile, the yehuborim of these days is destroying us en masse and shackling our souls, while others choose to shackle even worse those already shackled because it causes damage to the Temple.
How can one do this? I would like some explanations myself.
Every time I calm down, a bombshell like this appears that makes me distan

This was attacking, spamming, harassing, impersonating clergy, trying to command people through emails and other stuff. Infiltrators, enemy, trolls, attackers call how you want. But these are dealt with spiritually and always were. It even came up with sheer attacks during group rituals straight on HPS in vultem, with deliberate spam, and pretending to be other original members of the temple, fake accounts.

If you are one of them, good luck 🤞 🤞

This was attacking, spamming, harassing, impersonating clergy, trying to command people through emails and other stuff. Infiltrators, enemy, trolls, attackers call how you want. But these are dealt with spiritually and always were. It even came up with sheer attacks during group rituals straight on HPS in vultem, with deliberate spam, and pretending to be other original members of the temple, fake accounts.

If you are one of them, good luck 🤞 🤞

"Sorry that we trolls share the disaster" 🥹🥹🥹

This was attacking, spamming, harassing, impersonating clergy, trying to command people through emails and other stuff. Infiltrators, enemy, trolls, attackers call how you want. But these are dealt with spiritually and always were. It even came up with sheer attacks during group rituals straight on HPS in vultem, with deliberate spam, and pretending to be other original members of the temple, fake accounts.

If you are one of them, good luck 🤞 🤞

Then it's my mistake, my friend, I attacked myself! 😆 I have nothing to do with these things

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yoooo i hope it wasnt a hint in my direction! hahahahha

You act as if you know better than a Priest. A member of the Clergy. Think about that for a second.

this sounds just like Christianity...its possible they do why not hear them out and discuss it

U haven't read that I just said, I was with JOS long time ago without account, but if you can't believe that people can create new accounts even if they've been initiated for a very long time, I feel sorry for you, whoever you are

same tbh the behavior of the members here drove me away. Obviously there is some truth to be gained from this site especially the symbolism, astrology, and on the gods but I dont regard it as the be all end all. I think people who end up staying on this site without testing out other waters arent getting the full experience. Reminds me of the four elements and uncle iroh: “It is important to draw wisdom from many different places. If you take it from only one place, it becomes rigid and stale. Understanding others, the other elements and the other nations will help you become whole.”

this sounds just like Christianity...its possible they do why not hear them out and discuss it

Quite frankly, it is not possible given all my years of interaction in this community. If it was, they would be a person of rank themselves, but as it stands, this is far from the reality.

And it should be noted that the whole episode was based on a language barrier issue. You would know this if you were paying attention. And you would not disagree with the above either if you were honest. Who are you anyhow?

It’s common for Padre Alexandros to insult people.
I’ve seen him do it several times, but it doesn't bother me. In a growing church, effectiveness is far more important than humility.

Quite frankly, it is not possible given all my years of interaction in this community. If it was, they would be a person of rank themselves, but as it stands, this is far from the reality.

And it should be noted that the whole episode was based on a language barrier issue. You would know this if you were paying attention. And you would not disagree with the above either if you were honest. Who are you anyhow?

see its stuff like this muh you should know this muh that..it drives people away

I talked about telegony and got grilled for it even though its real and there were a lot of bad faith arguments presented.

Presuming im not honest etc all that does is drive people away.

Genuinely if this is about helping people grow and coming closer to the gods I would think the individuals here wouldn't be so quick to jump down others throats. This is in many parts why people flock to christanity though I dont like that religion either when a mormon comes up to u its all fluffy god loves u etc and he doesnt try to bow beat it into u. At least in my experiences.

Ill stay here since there seems to be nuggets of info that would be quite valuable but I dont see myself becoming somebody whose entire life revolves around this server.

Quite frankly, it is not possible given all my years of interaction in this community. If it was, they would be a person of rank themselves, but as it stands, this is far from the reality.

Fair tbh...

Recently, a dispute erupted on the Vultus Templorum platform among our brothers and sisters regarding the cursing of trolls who, it is claimed, have caused real harm to our temple. Personally, I ignored these trolls, since they did not harm me, and expressed the opinion that these fools do not deserve our attention. My words were met with hostility, and I was bombarded with a barrage of criticism, mostly for weakness or for supposedly having a Christian mindset, even though I have been a pagan since childhood and have never shown mercy to the Abrahamic faiths in real life. That evening, I merely suggested that these trolls don’t deserve our attention, and then they started trolling me, even though I didn’t insult anyone in response and presented my arguments, which I never insisted on. The Temple teaches ethics, but it seems that Priest @P.alexandrosiown’s ethics consist of trolling me and insisting that I inspire people with my opinions. I don’t know what’s wrong with you; I’ve always called you my brothers and sisters, including in real life, because I spent most of my time serving the Gods in real life, not on the Internet. To be honest, I am shocked and offended by the community’s dismissive attitude toward me, and I am not going to tolerate insults, whether from a priest or anyone else. And just between us, you have hurt me far more than this troll could ever have affected me.
It's better if I just shut up and don't express my opinion, my faith in you has been shaken, but not my faith in the Gods

Heil Satvrn Heil Maat

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90% of these posts would not exist if there was no psychic attack from the enemy. They make you hate the ToZ, and your mind wants to protect this "illusion", so you justify It with: i'm just more profound and truthful than anybody here.
Most people here think they are completely safe from psychic attack, but we're not. We're fighting the most evil, capable and powerful people on the planet, don't think they don't know who we are.. they do. We are the only reason why their kingdom won't come, and that's all they give a fuck about.. remember that when you have these thoughts.

90% of these posts would not exist if there was no psychic attack from the enemy. They make you hate the ToZ, and your mind wants to protect this "illusion", so you justify It with: i'm just more profound and truthful than anybody here.
Most people here think they are completely safe from psychic attack, but we're not. We're fighting the most evil, capable and powerful people on the planet, don't think they don't know who we are.. they do. We are the only reason why their kingdom won't come, and that's all they give a fuck about.. remember that when you have these thoughts.

are there any meditations to protect yrself?

It’s common for Padre Alexandros to insult people.

Forgive me Priest AI but padre Alexandros got me on the floor laughing.

Forgive me Priest AI but padre Alexandros got me on the floor laughing.

I'll pay closer attention next time.

see its stuff like this muh you should know this muh that..it drives people away

I talked about telegony and got grilled for it even though its real and there were a lot of bad faith arguments presented.

Presuming im not honest etc all that does is drive people away.

You have to understand that people just like you come with ill intentions to present "criticism" all the time. So please excuse us when you, someone who engages in the community almost not one bit, is seen as someone suspicious. Especially when you present such arguments which clearly show that you have no idea what you are talking about, and make comments about regural members somehow potentially being at the level of advanced people with a long list of merits. These people are not up there just because, the whole system is based on merit. More specifically, with the emphasis on intellectual and spiritual merit.

Anyway, community engagement is the cure. Can you do that?

Genuinely if this is about helping people grow and coming closer to the gods I would think the individuals here wouldn't be so quick to jump down others throats. This is in many parts why people flock to christanity though I dont like that religion either when a mormon comes up to u its all fluffy god loves u etc and he doesnt try to bow beat it into u. At least in my experiences.

Community engagement is the solution, and it should be obvious to anyone. If not by merit of understanding, then by merit of reading what the High Priest has written several times. However, if this is not the case. I will just state that please engage in the community, take part in various projects, and do group rituals. Study the sites, and read the sermons, etc. That is how things open up. Not by presenting superficial criticism and avoiding the community affairs. And yes, the community is not perfect, how could it be, we are humans, after all. If you want to avoid participation because of a disagreement, it is your loss, because whatever the case might be with feeling alienated, participation is still a net positive effect.

You have to understand that people just like you come with ill intentions to present "criticism" all the time. So please excuse us when you, someone who engages in the community almost not one bit, is seen as someone suspicious. Especially when you present such arguments which clearly show that you have no idea what you are talking about, and make comments about regural members somehow potentially being at the level of advanced people with a long list of merits. These people are not up there just because, the whole system is based on merit. More specifically, with the emphasis on intellectual and spiritual merit.

Anyway, community engagement is the cure. Can you do that?

Community engagement is the solution, and it should be obvious to anyone. If not by merit of understanding, then by merit of reading what the High Priest has written several times. However, if this is not the case. I will just state that please engage in the community, take part in various projects, and do group rituals. Study the sites, and read the sermons, etc. That is how things open up. Not by presenting superficial criticism and avoiding the community affairs. And yes, the community is not perfect, how could it be, we are humans, after all. If you want to avoid participation because of a disagreement, it is your loss, because whatever the case might be with feeling alienated, participation is still a net positive effect.

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thats fair i can see why u would be suspicious it was just a bit off putting since the telegony stuff had nothing to do with spirituality and mostly observable non metaphysical ideas/observations.

Ill be sticking around i probably wont participate all that much tbh though because i really dont know anything about the more esoteric concepts related to our reality. I have much more reading to do before i could fathom giving advice. On topics related to science like the above and the reactions i got for something i had vested time into would be like someone coming here and saying all yr pantheons and beliefs are wrong. If that happens yr probably not going to want to listen to the other person...im not saying thats the case but i hope the parallels make sense.

going to go read now :)