Numbers of Power

[Ariadne the Scribe]

Hello!
So... I've been very confused about the numbers of power, and what is appropriate to use when... :? :?

All I know/can remember is:
4 = number of Satan. But I'm not sure of its effect? I know that we're doing 40 days workings because 40 days is an amount of time that a word of power (or affirmation) needs to be engraved in our souls. So 40 days can make something permanent. But what about using runes or other mantras for 40 repetitions? How does this number affect the rune/mantra's energies?
9 = number of completion. We use 9 for affirmations as it has an energy of permanence to it (from what I understand).
108 = number related to Saturn and should be avoided.
111 = number of the Sun.
216 = number... um.. very powerful number... Completion...? Full Rosary...

Folks, I am sorry but my memory is not the best... And I have read so many Sermons that I have forgotten many things and possibly confused some others.

I am basically wondering... For aura of protection, since I'm using a Sun mantra, should I do it for 111 reps or 216?
For other things, or other mantras, or other runes... For example for the Sammas meditation... How many times should I vibrate Sammas? What number should I choose?

I know the High Priests/esses have mentioned many numbers, many times... But it's all a chaos in my mind and I'm missing so much information right now.

Can someone please enlighten me on this? And, I wonder, would it be possible for this information to be pinned somewhere in the JoS meditation link, or in the forums? (I mean, an article about the Power Numbers themselves)

Thank you for your time.

 

[Reckoned666]

1 is about starting things, number of beginnings.
2 is about duality.
3 is spiritual, sacred number. We got 3 reps in affirmations of final Ritual for example
4 relates to masculinity
5 relates to feminity
Don't know much about 6
7 is number of perfection, completion. 7 colors in rainbow, 7 main chakras, 7 musical notes etc
8 is number of eternity, longevity. We have the sign of eternity which is 8 in 90 degrees.
9 is number of endings.

Hello!
So... I've been very confused about the numbers of power, and what is appropriate to use when... :? :?

All I know/can remember is:
4 = number of Satan. But I'm not sure of its effect? I know that we're doing 40 days workings because 40 days is an amount of time that a word of power (or affirmation) needs to be engraved in our souls. So 40 days can make something permanent. But what about using runes or other mantras for 40 repetitions? How does this number affect the rune/mantra's energies?
9 = number of completion. We use 9 for affirmations as it has an energy of permanence to it (from what I understand).
108 = number related to Saturn and should be avoided.
111 = number of the Sun.
216 = number... um.. very powerful number... Completion...? Full Rosary...

Folks, I am sorry but my memory is not the best... And I have read so many Sermons that I have forgotten many things and possibly confused some others.

I am basically wondering... For aura of protection, since I'm using a Sun mantra, should I do it for 111 reps or 216?
For other things, or other mantras, or other runes... For example for the Sammas meditation... How many times should I vibrate Sammas? What number should I choose?

I know the High Priests/esses have mentioned many numbers, many times... But it's all a chaos in my mind and I'm missing so much information right now.

Can someone please enlighten me on this? And, I wonder, would it be possible for this information to be pinned somewhere in the JoS meditation link, or in the forums? (I mean, an article about the Power Numbers themselves)

Thank you for your time.

 

[Stormblood]

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I'm quoting you here because it seems there are some misconceptions and incompleteness about some numbers here, such as the number 7, 11, 3, etc. Could you please help us?

 

[FancyMancy]

To add just a bit to what has been said already -

6 is the number of hard work and labour
8 is the number of eternity
9 is the number of permanence in terms of ending things, breaking down barriers, and is like a power-power number itself and is forceful
13 is the number of transformation

Of course, some numbers compliment and go into other numbers. For example, the number of creation and destruction, 3, goes into the forceful, permanent-endings number 9 3 times. Thanks to Shael and Reckoned666, because I didn't know some of those.

I thought 108 goes well with Saturn, so it might need to be avoided. Saturn is not a bad Planet, but is strict and authoritarian, so one might prefer to shy away from using it specifically, but still using 216 is fine for things. For whatever reason I have still been a bit confused about that.

 

[94n]

Ooh thanks for the comprehensive list. You pay close attention to the words of the high priest/esses, and I thank you for your dedication.

I'm curious about the male/female numbers...
Odd is male, and even is female. This also reflects into astrology. I'm wondering if it's applicable into numerology, or if I'm just conflating and getting these ideas incorrect. :?:

Thought experiment:
Male is the active principle, female is the passive principle; both reflect their own world of things but these are simplified for the sake of the post.

3 would be creation, then it's definitely active/masculine
4 symmetry, harmony, balance, feminine
5, balance and harmony... hmm, at first glance I'd think it's feminine, but perhaps this has to do with the 4 elements + 1 (which is quinta essentia)?
6 is feminine. this is absolute theory on my part, and there's NO evidence to back this up, but perhaps since it's a feminine number and what makes this unfortunate is because it's the things that are done to us rather than what we do to the outside world? it is passive after all. Using basic and superficial searches on google, it's a number about sacrifice.
7 is masculine, for imbalances. i'd imagine since this is an active number it might represent illnesses that we cause ourselves.
8 is for power, and infinity, I'd attribute to the feminine/psychic/occult
9, is active, but I'm stumped here

11, 12, 13 explain themselves by what you wrote.

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3 is for creation/destruction.
4 I think is related to geometry/symmetry or something, I think. Not usually used from what I know.
5 is for balance and harmony.
6 is for hard work, but does have permanence.
7 is for imbalances and the results of such (illnes, death, etc.)
8 is for power. The 8th house in astrology.
9 is for endings. Ending things. Should be avoided for workings involving growth or attracting things, though numbers with 9 in squaresum are fine in some cases.
10 is for the material, and completion.
11 is for destruction, related to Mars. Black magick.
12 is balance and order.
13 is death and rebirth (I think). Mageson also said it's related to the astral senses.

 

[Stormblood]

Ooh thanks for the comprehensive list. You pay close attention to the words of the high priest/esses, and I thank you for your dedication.

I'm curious about the male/female numbers...
Odd is male, and even is female. This also reflects into astrology. I'm wondering if it's applicable into numerology, or if I'm just conflating and getting these ideas incorrect. :?:

Thought experiment:
Male is the active principle, female is the passive principle; both reflect their own world of things but these are simplified for the sake of the post.

3 would be creation, then it's definitely active/masculine
4 symmetry, harmony, balance, feminine
5, balance and harmony... hmm, at first glance I'd think it's feminine, but perhaps this has to do with the 4 elements + 1 (which is quinta essentia)?
6 is feminine. this is absolute theory on my part, and there's NO evidence to back this up, but perhaps since it's a feminine number and what makes this unfortunate is because it's the things that are done to us rather than what we do to the outside world? it is passive after all. Using basic and superficial searches on google, it's a number about sacrifice.
7 is masculine, for imbalances. i'd imagine since this is an active number it might represent illnesses that we cause ourselves.
8 is for power, and infinity, I'd attribute to the feminine/psychic/occult
9, is active, but I'm stumped here

11, 12, 13 explain themselves by what you wrote.

Now, just because the 7-pointed star is unbalanced, it doesn't mean that the number 7 itself is unbalanced. That's just common sense. If a castle of glass is easily broken, it doesn't mean that every castle will be easily broken.

About 5 and 6, HP Mageson has written a lot and HP Zevios Metathronos has intervened too in those topic to explain their significance from his point of view too. What I see here from everyone involved is an over-simplification of the nature of the numbers.

 

[Shael]

Ooh thanks for the comprehensive list. You pay close attention to the words of the high priest/esses, and I thank you for your dedication.

I'm curious about the male/female numbers...
Odd is male, and even is female. This also reflects into astrology. I'm wondering if it's applicable into numerology, or if I'm just conflating and getting these ideas incorrect. :?:

Thought experiment:
Male is the active principle, female is the passive principle; both reflect their own world of things but these are simplified for the sake of the post.

3 would be creation, then it's definitely active/masculine
4 symmetry, harmony, balance, feminine
5, balance and harmony... hmm, at first glance I'd think it's feminine, but perhaps this has to do with the 4 elements + 1 (which is quinta essentia)?
6 is feminine. this is absolute theory on my part, and there's NO evidence to back this up, but perhaps since it's a feminine number and what makes this unfortunate is because it's the things that are done to us rather than what we do to the outside world? it is passive after all. Using basic and superficial searches on google, it's a number about sacrifice.
7 is masculine, for imbalances. i'd imagine since this is an active number it might represent illnesses that we cause ourselves.
8 is for power, and infinity, I'd attribute to the feminine/psychic/occult
9, is active, but I'm stumped here

11, 12, 13 explain themselves by what you wrote.

Hmmmmm I don't think it's universally applicable to the numbers like this. But that being said, I'm not a numerology expert so I could be wrong. HC mentioned in the past that he is planning to write and release a numerology guide, so I think it'd be safest to wait for that.

 

[Ariadne the Scribe]

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...About 5 and 6, HP Mageson has written a lot and HP Zevios Metathronos has intervened too in those topic to explain their significance from his point of view too. What I see here from everyone involved is an over-simplification of the nature of the numbers.

It's not a matter of over-simplifying the nature of the numbers but rather, to see how we could use them in our meditations and affirmations.
What info has been said about 5 and 6 from the High Priests? I remember that 6, on its own is a number used a lot by the enemy (6 and 66). In a recent sermon HP Don also mentioned how 6 is related to Sam, which makes it 666 - in a few words.

But my question is, what are the appropriate numbers to use for the repetitions on either mantras or affirmations. This depends on the purpose; hence why I'd like to know about each number individually.

Also, thank you everyone for the responses, they have really helped me! (alas, some were conflicting ahaha :lol: )

I really wish we had a sermon on the power of each number so that we could use them appropriately and maximize the results of our meditations.

 

[Stormblood]

About 5 and 6, HP Mageson has written a lot and HP Zevios Metathronos has intervened too in those topic to explain their significance from his point of view too. What I see here from everyone involved is an over-simplification of the nature of the numbers.

It's not a matter of over-simplifying the nature of the numbers but rather, to see how we could use them in our meditations and affirmations.
What info has been said about 5 and 6 from the High Priests? I remember that 6, on its own is a number used a lot by the enemy (6 and 66). In a recent sermon HP Don also mentioned how 6 is related to Sam, which makes it 666 - in a few words.

But my question is, what are the appropriate numbers to use for the repetitions on either mantras or affirmations. This depends on the purpose; hence why I'd like to know about each number individually.

Also, thank you everyone for the responses, they have really helped me! (alas, some were conflicting ahaha :lol: )

I really wish we had a sermon on the power of each number so that we could use them appropriately and maximize the results of our meditations.

A streamlined list is not the way to approach the numbers for their meanings in meditation and witchcraft. For the sermons about 5 and 6, I'm sure everyone here knows how to use the search function. 6 has been described as the number of the sacred marriage, the sexual union between the male and female parts of the soul. Of course, there are many other things to say about this number. A different approach is needed. You may try to look at astrology and runes to have a broader perspective. The signs, the houses, the rune associated, the tarots... A linear, left-brained approach is a poor breeding ground for spiritual knowledge.