My Opinion on the "Yehuborim" Thing

[sinbad]

I always saw the majority of Jevvs as basically the equivalent of a psychologically damaged, mentally ill, or high-functioning autistic gentile... the latter of which can actually be quite endearing.

There are gentiles who act EXACTLY the same based on behavioural traits... So how do we actually distinguish them?

There are "good" gentiles with damaged heart and throat chakras who act in a similar manner as the so-called "soul structure" of Jevvs - so what actually seperates the two except their individual actions?

You can use almost the same behavioural descriptions for either in many cases.

And there were some who clearly, even in their natal charts, whether by sheer chance or whatever, could be seen to exhibit many noble traits and compassion/sensitivity also through their actions

And if one is sensitive enough, you can easily feel a person's "natal chart" (soul) by observing their facial expressions and simply tuning into them

I was going to say this 6 months ago, but I knew I would get dogpiled on by senior members, who are many times extremely ignorant - ironically - so I chose to be quiet.

But that is one of the things which irritates me about this place. It still exhibits the same mental rigidity, stagnation and conformism as these 115 IQ "midwit" so called educational institutions who do not have the capacity to actually penetrate into the truth of anything

Maybe instead of instantly mocking, deriding and behaving like a clique of teenage gossip girls, you engaged with HP & others with the OBJECTIVE TO UNDERSTAND you wouldn't be having so much trouble to accept it now

That is, instead of waving around your opinions with pride and egotism of how right you are about everything apparently, actually humble yourself and be willing to abandon your preconceived notions at the sight of new and potentially contradictory information.

You have to be willing to throw away everything you know and believe if said information comes to light

Otherwise, how are you any different from a Xian who desperately clings onto his comfortable lies?

What HP has brought to light is really just common sense if one took the time to observe things objectively instead of being blinded by the fog of rage and emotional biases

Which I do understand, but still, this is an idiotic intellectual weakness

Actually engage with the other person and try to understand their logic and how they came to these conclusions (regarding other topics) before you laugh them out the building

Maybe that feels difficult to do with the more deluded members, but it is a good habit to build that requires some patience

 

[Heimdall]

We, with the guidance of the God's, have come a long way in a relatively short time. I say "WE" because it's all the same journey we're on. Look at the way it was before HPS Maxine came along and opened people's eyes to the truth. It was an absolute shit-fight, we were all struggling along, always trying to get some joy out of a no-win situation. I haven't been involved for that long, but I already have trouble believing the way I was before coming to ToZ.
There are literally thousands now in our path, and yes we are still evolving, and will continue to do so, because it's an infinite journey with the wisdom and guidance of the Gods.
Let us always look forward, reflect about the past, and learn from it. Always be proud of who we are and love the Gods.
HAIL Zeus-Lilith!

 

[Malpanatwux]

I can say for certain that one of the things I greatly appreciate about ToZ is the openness for intellectual challenge, even when it is in opposition to established theology. If you were laughed out of a discussion and disrespected for presenting a challenging idea, you aren’t in the wrong. But that doesn’t sound like the ToZ I’ve known… you’re not alone in questioning these beliefs, I’ve been here for about 5 years (obviously not on this infantile account... ) and have spent a lot of time retracing my steps and seeing if I can disprove what I am currently believing, looking for holes, contradictions, etc. and doing this is perfectly fine.

If this were an Islamic group, questions challenging any parcel of the theology would be met with machetes, angry camels, and lots of screaming praises to their prophet and deity. I don't know if there was a situation where you made a post or comment, and it was treated with disrespect, but if that was the case, I hope that it was a miscommunication. We are all learners after all and we all still have complicated emotions and social mix-ups. Maybe both parties felt disrespected.

Regardless, in my opinion, I don't believe ToZ is rigid in their beliefs. As Heimdall stated previously, the gods are providing us with information at a rapid rate and we are growing faster than ever before. I recall this was even predicted a while back when Pluto entered Aquarius. We are willing to change our beliefs based off of what the gods provide us. Just as the Goetic names of the gods are going the way of the dinosaur among us. However, certain beliefs, like pagan vs. hebe, have remained since the beginning. The manifold information on the Yehuborim is just a graduated understanding of this previously known rivalry.

I don't want to tell you how to believe or dismiss your ideas at all, nor do I have links to provide at the moment, but I know that the soul structure between Yehuborim and Pagans are different. Of course, one can certainly imitate the other, but the same can be said about the transgender phenomena. The soul is immutably male or female, but imitation of the opposite is not outside the realm of possibility.

Once again, no dismissiveness was intended with anything I wrote. Nor do I mean any disrespect towards you for what you believe. I am only throwing in my two cents for you to spend as you please.