Meditation upon immortality

[Eleutherios]

I was meditating on Thoth, concerning about how mankind could reach
immortality by means of food, way of life, meditation, exercises and
behavior.

Then, I had a strange feeling (like my body was all-breathing) and
couldn't stop to think about Mitochondrion's oxidative process of
originating energy. I know nothing about biology, but I was strongly
leaded to conclude that the immortality of the body is reached
basically with the production/absorption of a protective anti-
oxidative element specific to the Mitochondrion, because the rest of
the cell needs the free atoms of oxygen to "breed" and reproduce. This
way, it seems the Mitochondrion is not lost in the process wich ends
up oxidizing itself and making the cell to loose the capacity of
reproduction. Therefore, the aging process is paralyzed.

Do I have a point here?

Eleutherios.

 

[Acantha-Tara]

You very likely do have a point here but could you please restate it in somewhat simpler
terms? LOL I know mitachondrial DNA comes from the mother, but other than that, my
knowledge of moleccular biology is far beyond limited ... it's virtually non-existent!
Acantha-Tara

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Eleutherios" <ogdoad_gsa@... wrote:

I was meditating on Thoth, concerning about how mankind could reach
immortality by means of food, way of life, meditation, exercises and
behavior. . . .. Therefore, the aging process is paralyzed.

Do I have a point here?

Eleutherios.

 

[Eleutherios]

My knowledge about it is (or was) limited too, Acatha-Tara. But
since I had that insight and left the post here, I was to research
about the subject.

If I understood, the process of cellular breathing (mitochondrion
setting free the oxygen atoms for the cell to get "fed" and
reproduce) is the basis of living organisms. That's the nicer
conclusion I drawn about biology since the high school! LOL

In my meditation on Thoth, I somehow "received" a conclusion (maybe
to develop it) wich was simply, but complicated, at the same time. I
didn't know very well at that time, but I was leaded to conclude
that the problem resides in the fact that Mitochondrion oxidizes
itself. Then I thought: How? Well, every time Mitochondrion "breaks"
the molecules of oxygen for the cellular breathing to happen, it
oxidizes itself a little bit. Making it hundreds or thousands of
times it ends so consumed and rigid that it can't break any more
molecules, and the cell dies.

Simple terms: Think of it as a pipe structure of iron: every time
water passes through a pipe of this structure, it lefts the
structure a little bit rusted. When it happens a hundred or a
thousand times, the structure will end all rusted.

When we age, the cells wich descended from that first one can't
perform that process so well and keep reproducing faster than the
oxidation. In the end, if the first cell could generate another 10
(just as an example), the other 10 will generate only 5 each, and
the next five will reproduce to 1 more only. So, the insight I had
in my meditation was about to eat something (food of eternal life –
offered to Adapa), or maybe allow a dormant glandule that can
produce (or absorb) an anti-oxidative element wich in turn will
encapsulate the Mitochondrion, avoiding its oxidation. Plastic
pipes! LOL

Sorry if I complicated it more yet. I know nothing on biology and
English is not my native language…LOL
I thank you for trying to understand me and for replying me.
Maybe we are finding answers. (And I don't know even how far it
relates to my dream on Acetone – subject to another post)

Eleutherios.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Acantha-Tara"
<jaguarcat2002@... wrote:

You very likely do have a point here but could you please restate

it in somewhat simpler

terms? LOL I know mitachondrial DNA comes from the mother, but

other than that, my

knowledge of moleccular biology is far beyond limited ... it's

virtually non-existent!

Acantha-Tara

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Eleutherios"

<ogdoad_gsa@ wrote:

I was meditating on Thoth, concerning about how mankind could

reach

immortality by means of food, way of life, meditation, exercises

and

behavior. . . .. Therefore, the aging process is paralyzed.

Do I have a point here?

Eleutherios.

 

[Acantha-Tara]

Thank you! That did help make it somewhat clearer. Oxidization is never good; and the
trick is to overcome it ... somehow. Lots of meditation and research needed here -- for
both of us (and others) I think.

Anyway, thanks again. You've touched on a subject that's very interesting to me. Not that I
fear getting older (I'm well into middle age) because I see aging more in terms of freedom
than limitation because then there is time to do the things we always wanted to do but
couldn't because we were so busy working for wages.

But I've always wondered what physical processes cause us to die so young, when we're
just starting to learn something! Yes, the enemy did this to us and it's now part of our
DNA. I understand that originally, however, our lifespans were approximately 1000 years,
give or take and some even much longer. Obviously no need for the long succession of
lifetimes. Why have hundreds of lifetimes when perhaps six would do, or even less?'

It's putting the brakes on, or limiting the scope of the physical process that I'm interested
in, not going back to being 20 again. I see myself as still riding my horses when I'm "old",
say, 90-plus years (at a walk, of course! LOL), but still living life to it's fullest. As Satanists,
we do not fear death but that doesn't mean we don't want to get the very most out of the
sacredness of the life we presently have.

Acantha-Tara

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Eleutherios" <ogdoad_gsa@... wrote:

My knowledge about it is (or was) limited too, Acatha-Tara. But
since I had that insight and left the post here, I was to research
about the subject.

If I understood, the process of cellular breathing (mitochondrion
setting free the oxygen atoms for the cell to get "fed" and
reproduce) is the basis of living organisms. That's the nicer
conclusion I drawn about biology since the high school! LOL

In my meditation on Thoth, I somehow "received" a conclusion (maybe
to develop it) wich was simply, but complicated, at the same time. I
didn't know very well at that time, but I was leaded to conclude
that the problem resides in the fact that Mitochondrion oxidizes
itself. Then I thought: How? Well, every time Mitochondrion "breaks"
the molecules of oxygen for the cellular breathing to happen, it
oxidizes itself a little bit. Making it hundreds or thousands of
times it ends so consumed and rigid that it can't break any more
molecules, and the cell dies.

Simple terms: Think of it as a pipe structure of iron: every time
water passes through a pipe of this structure, it lefts the
structure a little bit rusted. When it happens a hundred or a
thousand times, the structure will end all rusted.

When we age, the cells wich descended from that first one can't
perform that process so well and keep reproducing faster than the
oxidation. In the end, if the first cell could generate another 10
(just as an example), the other 10 will generate only 5 each, and
the next five will reproduce to 1 more only. So, the insight I had
in my meditation was about to eat something (food of eternal life –
offered to Adapa), or maybe allow a dormant glandule that can
produce (or absorb) an anti-oxidative element wich in turn will
encapsulate the Mitochondrion, avoiding its oxidation. Plastic
pipes! LOL

Sorry if I complicated it more yet. I know nothing on biology and
English is not my native language…LOL
I thank you for trying to understand me and for replying me.
Maybe we are finding answers. (And I don't know even how far it
relates to my dream on Acetone – subject to another post)

Eleutherios.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Acantha-Tara"
<jaguarcat2002@ wrote:

You very likely do have a point here but could you please restate
it in somewhat simpler
terms? LOL I know mitachondrial DNA comes from the mother, but
other than that, my
knowledge of moleccular biology is far beyond limited ... it's
virtually non-existent!
Acantha-Tara

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Eleutherios"
<ogdoad_gsa@ wrote:

I was meditating on Thoth, concerning about how mankind could
reach
immortality by means of food, way of life, meditation, exercises
and
behavior. . . .. Therefore, the aging process is paralyzed.

Do I have a point here?

Eleutherios.

 

[mageson6661]

Iam not very informed on this issue but I have read studies which
show that healthy levels of electro-magentism cause cells from
breaking down, and reverse aging process or slow it down as the
aging process seems to be related to a gradual breaking down of the
electro-magnetic currents or chi flow in the body.

The studies on acid and alkanline balances in the body are
interesting they show that improper diet causes a build up of
harmful acids which hinder the healthy flow and levels of chi in the
body and cause most disease which equals most diease is caused by
lack of healthy chi flow.

It also showed that a persons genetic weakness was activatved by
this inbalance so if a human was genetically dispossed to have
cancer that is where it would attack. etc

There is naturopath doctor who has cured hundreds of terminally
paients using this understanding.


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Acantha-Tara"
<jaguarcat2002@... wrote:

Thank you! That did help make it somewhat clearer. Oxidization is

never good; and the

trick is to overcome it ... somehow. Lots of meditation and

research needed here -- for

both of us (and others) I think.

Anyway, thanks again. You've touched on a subject that's very

interesting to me. Not that I

fear getting older (I'm well into middle age) because I see aging

more in terms of freedom

than limitation because then there is time to do the things we

always wanted to do but

couldn't because we were so busy working for wages.

But I've always wondered what physical processes cause us to die

so young, when we're

just starting to learn something! Yes, the enemy did this to us

and it's now part of our

DNA. I understand that originally, however, our lifespans were

approximately 1000 years,

give or take and some even much longer. Obviously no need for the

long succession of

lifetimes. Why have hundreds of lifetimes when perhaps six would

do, or even less?'

It's putting the brakes on, or limiting the scope of the physical

process that I'm interested

in, not going back to being 20 again. I see myself as still riding

my horses when I'm "old",

say, 90-plus years (at a walk, of course! LOL), but still living

life to it's fullest. As Satanists,

we do not fear death but that doesn't mean we don't want to get

the very most out of the

sacredness of the life we presently have.

Acantha-Tara

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Eleutherios"

<ogdoad_gsa@ wrote:

My knowledge about it is (or was) limited too, Acatha-Tara. But
since I had that insight and left the post here, I was to

research

about the subject.

If I understood, the process of cellular breathing

(mitochondrion

setting free the oxygen atoms for the cell to get "fed" and
reproduce) is the basis of living organisms. That's the nicer
conclusion I drawn about biology since the high school! LOL

In my meditation on Thoth, I somehow "received" a conclusion

(maybe

to develop it) wich was simply, but complicated, at the same

time. I

didn't know very well at that time, but I was leaded to conclude
that the problem resides in the fact that Mitochondrion oxidizes
itself. Then I thought: How? Well, every time

Mitochondrion "breaks"

the molecules of oxygen for the cellular breathing to happen, it
oxidizes itself a little bit. Making it hundreds or thousands of
times it ends so consumed and rigid that it can't break any more
molecules, and the cell dies.

Simple terms: Think of it as a pipe structure of iron: every

time

water passes through a pipe of this structure, it lefts the
structure a little bit rusted. When it happens a hundred or a
thousand times, the structure will end all rusted.

When we age, the cells wich descended from that first one can't
perform that process so well and keep reproducing faster than

the

oxidation. In the end, if the first cell could generate another

10

(just as an example), the other 10 will generate only 5 each,

and

the next five will reproduce to 1 more only. So, the insight I

had

in my meditation was about to eat something (food of eternal

life –

offered to Adapa), or maybe allow a dormant glandule that can
produce (or absorb) an anti-oxidative element wich in turn will
encapsulate the Mitochondrion, avoiding its oxidation. Plastic
pipes! LOL

Sorry if I complicated it more yet. I know nothing on biology

and

English is not my native language…LOL
I thank you for trying to understand me and for replying me.
Maybe we are finding answers. (And I don't know even how far it
relates to my dream on Acetone – subject to another post)

Eleutherios.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Acantha-Tara"
<jaguarcat2002@ wrote:

You very likely do have a point here but could you please

restate

it in somewhat simpler
terms? LOL I know mitachondrial DNA comes from the mother, but
other than that, my
knowledge of moleccular biology is far beyond limited ... it's
virtually non-existent!
Acantha-Tara

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Eleutherios"
<ogdoad_gsa@ wrote:

I was meditating on Thoth, concerning about how mankind

could

reach
immortality by means of food, way of life, meditation,

exercises

and
behavior. . . .. Therefore, the aging process is paralyzed.

Do I have a point here?

Eleutherios.

 

[Eleutherios]

This is interesting, Mageson.

This is totally usefull, because daily meditation seems to balance
the flow. Maybe an Ayurveda's way of life can act as a tool to
improve the results.

Eleutherios.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "mageson666"
<mageson666@... wrote:

Iam not very informed on this issue but I have read studies which
show that healthy levels of electro-magentism cause cells from
breaking down, and reverse aging process or slow it down as the
aging process seems to be related to a gradual breaking down of

the

electro-magnetic currents or chi flow in the body.

The studies on acid and alkanline balances in the body are
interesting they show that improper diet causes a build up of
harmful acids which hinder the healthy flow and levels of chi in

the

body and cause most disease which equals most diease is caused by
lack of healthy chi flow.

It also showed that a persons genetic weakness was activatved by
this inbalance so if a human was genetically dispossed to have
cancer that is where it would attack. etc

There is naturopath doctor who has cured hundreds of terminally
paients using this understanding.


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Acantha-Tara"
<jaguarcat2002@ wrote:

Thank you! That did help make it somewhat clearer. Oxidization

is

never good; and the
trick is to overcome it ... somehow. Lots of meditation and
research needed here -- for
both of us (and others) I think.

Anyway, thanks again. You've touched on a subject that's very
interesting to me. Not that I
fear getting older (I'm well into middle age) because I see

aging

more in terms of freedom
than limitation because then there is time to do the things we
always wanted to do but
couldn't because we were so busy working for wages.

But I've always wondered what physical processes cause us to die
so young, when we're
just starting to learn something! Yes, the enemy did this to us
and it's now part of our
DNA. I understand that originally, however, our lifespans were
approximately 1000 years,
give or take and some even much longer. Obviously no need for

the

long succession of
lifetimes. Why have hundreds of lifetimes when perhaps six would
do, or even less?'

It's putting the brakes on, or limiting the scope of the

physical

process that I'm interested
in, not going back to being 20 again. I see myself as still

riding

my horses when I'm "old",
say, 90-plus years (at a walk, of course! LOL), but still living
life to it's fullest. As Satanists,
we do not fear death but that doesn't mean we don't want to get
the very most out of the
sacredness of the life we presently have.

Acantha-Tara

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Eleutherios"
<ogdoad_gsa@ wrote:

My knowledge about it is (or was) limited too, Acatha-Tara.

But

since I had that insight and left the post here, I was to
research
about the subject.

If I understood, the process of cellular breathing
(mitochondrion
setting free the oxygen atoms for the cell to get "fed" and
reproduce) is the basis of living organisms. That's the nicer
conclusion I drawn about biology since the high school! LOL

In my meditation on Thoth, I somehow "received" a conclusion
(maybe
to develop it) wich was simply, but complicated, at the same
time. I
didn't know very well at that time, but I was leaded to

conclude

that the problem resides in the fact that Mitochondrion

oxidizes

itself. Then I thought: How? Well, every time
Mitochondrion "breaks"
the molecules of oxygen for the cellular breathing to happen,

it

oxidizes itself a little bit. Making it hundreds or thousands

of

times it ends so consumed and rigid that it can't break any

more

molecules, and the cell dies.

Simple terms: Think of it as a pipe structure of iron: every
time
water passes through a pipe of this structure, it lefts the
structure a little bit rusted. When it happens a hundred or a
thousand times, the structure will end all rusted.

When we age, the cells wich descended from that first one

can't

perform that process so well and keep reproducing faster than
the
oxidation. In the end, if the first cell could generate

another

10
(just as an example), the other 10 will generate only 5 each,
and
the next five will reproduce to 1 more only. So, the insight I
had
in my meditation was about to eat something (food of eternal
life –
offered to Adapa), or maybe allow a dormant glandule that can
produce (or absorb) an anti-oxidative element wich in turn

will

encapsulate the Mitochondrion, avoiding its oxidation. Plastic
pipes! LOL

Sorry if I complicated it more yet. I know nothing on biology
and
English is not my native language…LOL
I thank you for trying to understand me and for replying me.
Maybe we are finding answers. (And I don't know even how far

it

relates to my dream on Acetone – subject to another post)

Eleutherios.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Acantha-Tara"
<jaguarcat2002@ wrote:

You very likely do have a point here but could you please
restate
it in somewhat simpler
terms? LOL I know mitachondrial DNA comes from the mother,

but

other than that, my
knowledge of moleccular biology is far beyond limited ...

it's

virtually non-existent!
Acantha-Tara

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Eleutherios"
<ogdoad_gsa@ wrote:

I was meditating on Thoth, concerning about how mankind
could
reach
immortality by means of food, way of life, meditation,
exercises
and
behavior. . . .. Therefore, the aging process is

paralyzed.

Do I have a point here?

Eleutherios.

 

[c]

Hello,

The US Dept. of Energy have an interest in dna manipulation, using
drugs, foods,ect.
We can see where it intersects with life extension technology,
reading between the lines in the text below.

Unlocking the genetic code has led scientists to unravel the secrets
of sports performance in the competitive athlete. Back in the Early
90's the U.S. Department of Energy and the Natural Institutes of
Health unlocked the 25,000 genes that make us human. It was only a
matter of time until sports scientists began to use our unique DNA to
enhance the performance of individual athletes and international
sporting teams. Nutrigenomics sprang from the idea that with the help
of DNA, sports scientists are now able to see what glitches are
inherent in an athletes genetic makeup, and therefore able to
counteract these deficiencies with natural foods. Cool concept.
Although still in its infancy, many sporting organisations are jumping
on the bandwagon fast to claim the prize for generating the most
powerful athletes in the big bad world of sports. Research has
unlocked some of the following genes, and foods that are most closely
aligned with that specific gene, to power up competitive performance:

* MnSOD: This super gene produces and regulates protein MnSOD
which helps prevent muscle damage from free radicals and helps boost
performance and recovery. The natural solution for a deficiency in
this gene is pomegranate juice or a fistful of blueberries (my
favourite post workout snack).


* IL-6 and TNFa: These power-houses produce cytokines that repair
muscle damage after intense exercise. Wild salmon and good ol'
broccoli are the natural remedy to prevent inflammation and muscle damage.


* ACE: This spade is closely connected to muscular endurance.
Increasing the amount of fish and flaxseed oil will help power up your
muscles for longer periods of time.

Now I remember coming across this type of DNA testing at my local GP.
I subsequently misplaced the pamphlet that contained the information.
In the U.S. the cost of this easy swab test, plus nutritional advice,
will set you back between $495 to $695. I can't recall the pricing
here in Australia. This type of DNA testing will really help a
competitive goalkeeper iron out weaknesses in their training regime
and bolster performance to new heights. The beauty of this type of
testing is that it provides natural supplements from whole foods, that
may not be utilised often to power goalkeeping performance. I think
it's worth the money, even if in the end, you only end up with a
really good diet. It's win-win either way!

http://www.keeper-skool.com/keeper-skoo ... gains.html

Of course they are talking money here because it is BIG money to them.
Anyway we can see that what we eat plays a very big part.
We can see that processed foods are no good, a McDonald fast food type
of lifestyle being the reverse of what we seek to get from our food
supplies which are being contaminated and poisoned from many different
sources of pollution.

My wife is a vegetatarian for many years now, and I eat only chicken
and fish.

It also makes me wonder about the man who used the sun for energy and
drank and ate very little.

I forget the details but, remember him saying that once the energy
flow is started it is easy and that he looked at the sun only when it
was low in the sky, directly he looked into the sun with both eyes open.

HAIL SATAN,
Charlie





--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Eleutherios"
<ogdoad_gsa@... wrote:

This is interesting, Mageson.

This is totally usefull, because daily meditation seems to balance
the flow. Maybe an Ayurveda's way of life can act as a tool to
improve the results.

Eleutherios.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "mageson666"
<mageson666@ wrote:

Iam not very informed on this issue but I have read studies which
show that healthy levels of electro-magentism cause cells from
breaking down, and reverse aging process or slow it down as the
aging process seems to be related to a gradual breaking down of
the
electro-magnetic currents or chi flow in the body.

The studies on acid and alkanline balances in the body are
interesting they show that improper diet causes a build up of
harmful acids which hinder the healthy flow and levels of chi in
the
body and cause most disease which equals most diease is caused by
lack of healthy chi flow.

It also showed that a persons genetic weakness was activatved by
this inbalance so if a human was genetically dispossed to have
cancer that is where it would attack. etc

There is naturopath doctor who has cured hundreds of terminally
paients using this understanding.


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Acantha-Tara"
<jaguarcat2002@ wrote:

Thank you! That did help make it somewhat clearer. Oxidization
is
never good; and the
trick is to overcome it ... somehow. Lots of meditation and
research needed here -- for
both of us (and others) I think.

Anyway, thanks again. You've touched on a subject that's very
interesting to me. Not that I
fear getting older (I'm well into middle age) because I see
aging
more in terms of freedom
than limitation because then there is time to do the things we
always wanted to do but
couldn't because we were so busy working for wages.

But I've always wondered what physical processes cause us to die
so young, when we're
just starting to learn something! Yes, the enemy did this to us
and it's now part of our
DNA. I understand that originally, however, our lifespans were
approximately 1000 years,
give or take and some even much longer. Obviously no need for
the
long succession of
lifetimes. Why have hundreds of lifetimes when perhaps six would
do, or even less?'

It's putting the brakes on, or limiting the scope of the
physical
process that I'm interested
in, not going back to being 20 again. I see myself as still
riding
my horses when I'm "old",
say, 90-plus years (at a walk, of course! LOL), but still living
life to it's fullest. As Satanists,
we do not fear death but that doesn't mean we don't want to get
the very most out of the
sacredness of the life we presently have.

Acantha-Tara

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Eleutherios"
<ogdoad_gsa@ wrote:

My knowledge about it is (or was) limited too, Acatha-Tara.
But
since I had that insight and left the post here, I was to
research
about the subject.

If I understood, the process of cellular breathing
(mitochondrion
setting free the oxygen atoms for the cell to get "fed" and
reproduce) is the basis of living organisms. That's the nicer
conclusion I drawn about biology since the high school! LOL

In my meditation on Thoth, I somehow "received" a conclusion
(maybe
to develop it) wich was simply, but complicated, at the same
time. I
didn't know very well at that time, but I was leaded to
conclude
that the problem resides in the fact that Mitochondrion
oxidizes
itself. Then I thought: How? Well, every time
Mitochondrion "breaks"
the molecules of oxygen for the cellular breathing to happen,
it
oxidizes itself a little bit. Making it hundreds or thousands
of
times it ends so consumed and rigid that it can't break any
more
molecules, and the cell dies.

Simple terms: Think of it as a pipe structure of iron: every
time
water passes through a pipe of this structure, it lefts the
structure a little bit rusted. When it happens a hundred or a
thousand times, the structure will end all rusted.

When we age, the cells wich descended from that first one
can't
perform that process so well and keep reproducing faster than
the
oxidation. In the end, if the first cell could generate
another
10
(just as an example), the other 10 will generate only 5 each,
and
the next five will reproduce to 1 more only. So, the insight I
had
in my meditation was about to eat something (food of eternal
life –
offered to Adapa), or maybe allow a dormant glandule that can
produce (or absorb) an anti-oxidative element wich in turn
will
encapsulate the Mitochondrion, avoiding its oxidation. Plastic
pipes! LOL

Sorry if I complicated it more yet. I know nothing on biology
and
English is not my native language…LOL
I thank you for trying to understand me and for replying me.
Maybe we are finding answers. (And I don't know even how far
it
relates to my dream on Acetone – subject to another post)

Eleutherios.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Acantha-Tara"
<jaguarcat2002@ wrote:

You very likely do have a point here but could you please
restate
it in somewhat simpler
terms? LOL I know mitachondrial DNA comes from the mother,
but
other than that, my
knowledge of moleccular biology is far beyond limited ...
it's
virtually non-existent!
Acantha-Tara

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Eleutherios"
<ogdoad_gsa@ wrote:

I was meditating on Thoth, concerning about how mankind
could
reach
immortality by means of food, way of life, meditation,
exercises
and
behavior. . . .. Therefore, the aging process is
paralyzed.

Do I have a point here?

Eleutherios.