Goetia-Solomonic?

[CormacArdRuairiOMorrigan]

Goetia is a Christianized, medieval layer built over much older spirit traditions, and that the 72 sigils/names we now use are filtered through that framework. If that’s true, why are we still treating these sigils as sacrosanct when their structure and naming look like a very specific medieval Solomonic system, not a unified ancient tradition?

If we’re actually trying to recover or reconstruct ancient practices—Hellenistic, Egyptian, Mesopotamian, or whatever —why are we using a sigil‑system that clearly emerges from a late medieval Christian Solomonic framework, complete with rosy‑cross templates and planetary/Enochian‑style tables?

The 72 Goetia sigils look like a highly stylized, internally consistent system—often derived from name‑letters, planetary squares, or other cipher‑like methods. If they’re that engineered, why are we not treating them as a specific medieval system rather than as universal ‘ancient spirit seals’? And if they are corrupted, why not question, experiment with, or even craft new sigils that better reflect older cosmologies (e.g., Mesopotamian, Egyptian, Hellenistic) instead of defaulting to this one template?

These are just honest questions

 

[Elite]

These sigils are shared with initiates by Iamblichus. With time, the story around this is corrupted and falsely attributed to Solomon et cetera, however the God Sigils are true and reflect geometrical divine ideas and their own cosmic concepts.

 

[Supermario70]

Goetia is a Christianized, medieval layer built over much older spirit traditions, and that the 72 sigils/names we now use are filtered through that framework. If that’s true, why are we still treating these sigils as sacrosanct when their structure and naming look like a very specific medieval Solomonic system, not a unified ancient tradition?

I believe this has been asked before and Satan/Zeus told Maxine that they came from the Gods and the Gods do not have any problem with them. It's not the sigils that are any problem, but the circles and methods of invocation. The sigils are fine without the circles around them and using them as a focus without the abusive rituals in those grimoires. Even if they are medieval, it has been found from experience that the Gods do answer to those sigils, so they work, so they can be used.

If we’re actually trying to recover or reconstruct ancient practices

Zevism never claimed to be reconstructionist or to recover ancient practices exactly as they were, it's about adapting various practices to the modern times and using what works. If something is modern but works, then it's fine.

Its core is based on ancient practices, but there are practices adapted to modern times, such as the RTR. The ancients didn't have RTRs because they weren't taken over by the Yehuborim yet. RTRs were a modern thing used as a counter to the Yehuborim curses that the Yehuborim have been imposing on us. This just is one example of a modern adapted, but necessary practice. Of course RTRs are not needed any more, but they were used for this purpose.

 

[Gladius]

Might be two things:

-What's Solomonic is already stolen from original god.

-The sigils didn't get corrupted (maybe enemy was scared to do it) because that's the only way to summon a demon.

These are what I thought could be the answer.

 

[Novice Priest Karnonnos]

They are not 'filtered' nor 'emerged from', they are stolen. Basic geometric shapes and planetary squares do not date from 'medieval European' times when the level of ignorance was at its apex. Even the moronic conventional narrative asserts planetary squares 'came from' Vedic India, but in reality they were just reintroduced to Europe via Arabs.