Enlightenment Without Satan?

[shawncunnil]

According to what I have read on joyofsatan.com, Satan genetically engineered humans to be able to tap into their spiritual energies and reach enlightenment. If this is true, it seems like someone could possibly harness their power through meditation without ever involving Satan himself. Is it possible? If not, why not?

 

[Dino Dizdarevic]

I do not understand your question .. ALL humans were created by Satan .. 'if this is true, it seems like someone could possibly harness their power through meditation without ever involving Satan himself. Is it possible? If not, why not?' Could you be more ... easier to understand? your question isn't logical. If you referred to Satanism there, to people who meditate without being Satanist, then i can answer you. 
From: shawncunnil <shawncunnil@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:37 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?

  According to what I have read on joyofsatan.com, Satan genetically engineered humans to be able to tap into their spiritual energies and reach enlightenment. If this is true, it seems like someone could possibly harness their power through meditation without ever involving Satan himself. Is it possible? If not, why not?. 

 

[Magus Immortalis]

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/THOSE.html




From: Dino Dizdarevic <dinodizdarevic211@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53:50 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?

  I do not understand your question .. ALL humans were created by Satan .. 'if this is true, it seems like someone could possibly harness their power through meditation without ever involving Satan himself. Is it possible? If not, why not?' Could you be more ... easier to understand? your question isn't logical. If you referred to Satanism there, to people who meditate without being Satanist, then i can answer you. 
From: shawncunnil <shawncunnil@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:37 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?

  According to what I have read on joyofsatan.com, Satan genetically engineered humans to be able to tap into their spiritual energies and reach enlightenment. If this is true, it seems like someone could possibly harness their power through meditation without ever involving Satan himself. Is it possible? If not, why not?. 

 

[jeremy montoya]

Very few walk alone. One can only advance so far without the protection of a higher power, because their are entities out there who do not want humanity to advance for whatever reason. & also from what i've heard, one needs to believe in a higher power to fully raise their serpent because it raises through the divine & a fully risen serpent is what enlightenment truly is. So, interesting q tho i personally wouldnt advance without Father Satan.

 

[Magus Immortalis]

I respectfully disagree. Only through Lord Satan can the Serpent fully rise. Not some "higher power." 
This is what new-age and deluded people crow about on the kundalini awakening forums and in their websites. They think just because they have awakened their Serpent that they have reached full enlightenment. This is a common mistake many in these places make. Because there is little to no articles about what the true Kundalini awakening entails. Granted, there is some helpful information about the processes and stages scattered throughout Google and Youtube and some books (you have to really pick and choose and read with a critical mind.)Even people who have gone through the process for 20+ years think that it's okay to believe in some "higher being" like that disgusting nazarene and pray to them. And make websites as an authority telling others to do so. Because they *think* it will help their awakening process. 
Many of them traffic with greys, angels and other entities that see to it that watered-down and dangerous information gets to these people. Whether directly channeled and then sold and packaged to the public in books, on websites, in online forums.
HP Vovim Baghie has written several articles about the Serpent and his stages of awakening and rising on his site:
www.vovimbaghie.com


From: jeremy montoya <jeremymontoya14@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:04:36 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?

  Very few walk alone. One can only advance so far without the protection of a higher power, because their are entities out there who do not want humanity to advance for whatever reason. & also from what i've heard, one needs to believe in a higher power to fully raise their serpent because it raises through the divine & a fully risen serpent is what enlightenment truly is. So, interesting q tho i personally wouldnt advance without Father Satan.

 

[egon_88_666]

No for two reasons. First, those who are without cannot gain so much power, this knowlege comes from Satan and for this we have to be grateful, some aspects of the spiritual development are dependent of Satan's will. For eg., the Kundalini only raise when Satan wants it is raised, as it can be very dangerous if the person is not under Satan's protection.

And second, the enemy aliens will never let it happen, they will do all do stop such person. People who were born with eceptional powers generally die soon.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "shawncunnil" <shawncunnil@... wrote:

According to what I have read on joyofsatan.com, Satan genetically engineered humans to be able to tap into their spiritual energies and reach enlightenment. If this is true, it seems like someone could possibly harness their power through meditation without ever involving Satan himself. Is it possible? If not, why not?

 

[shawncunnil]

I am referring to the belief that mankind was originally a slave to the Elohim, but then Satan took pity on us and genetically engineered us with the ability to use spiritual power so that we might become enlightened and reach immortality and the godhead. joyofsatan.com also claims that all "supernatural" power is actually natural and can be explained scientifically.

If that is true, it would mean we contain within our genetics the ability to harness spiritual power. Wouldn't that make it unnecessary to dedicate oneself to Satan, or seek help from the gods? Are they necessary or just helpful on the path to enlightenment?

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Dino Dizdarevic <dinodizdarevic211@... wrote:

I do not understand your question .. ALL humans were created by Satan .. 'if this is true, it seems like someone could possibly harness their power through meditation without ever involving Satan himself. Is it possible? If not, why not?' Could you be more ... easier to understand? your question isn't logical. If you referred to Satanism there, to people who meditate without being Satanist, then i can answer you. 


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From: shawncunnil <shawncunnil@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:37 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?


 
According to what I have read on joyofsatan.com, Satan genetically engineered humans to be able to tap into their spiritual energies and reach enlightenment. If this is true, it seems like someone could possibly harness their power through meditation without ever involving Satan himself. Is it possible? If not, why not?. 

 

[shawncunnil]

Thank you for the link, magus. That's what I thought. I'm wondering, though, why Satan created us in such a way that we would be spiritually dependent on him, rather than creating us with the ability to reach enlightenment independently. I thought Satanism was all about independence and self.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Magus Immortalis <magus.immortalis@... wrote:

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/THOSE.html






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From: Dino Dizdarevic <dinodizdarevic211@...
To: "[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]" <[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53:50 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?


 
I do not understand your question .. ALL humans were created by Satan .. 'if this is true, it seems like someone could possibly harness their power through meditation without ever involving Satan himself. Is it possible? If not, why not?' Could you be more ... easier to understand? your question isn't logical. If you referred to Satanism there, to people who meditate without being Satanist, then i can answer you. 


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From: shawncunnil <shawncunnil@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:37 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?


 
According to what I have read on joyofsatan.com, Satan genetically engineered humans to be able to tap into their spiritual energies and reach enlightenment. If this is true, it seems like someone could possibly harness their power through meditation without ever involving Satan himself. Is it possible? If not, why not?. 

 

[Magus Immortalis]

Spiritually dependent on Him, how? Please further clarify what you mean.
He and the Powers of Hell have given yoga and power meditation to us. (Along with what constitutes human civilization: agriculture, astronomy, science, mathematics, architecture, music, art, etc.)So we can empower ourselves, and be free. This is His gift to mankind. So we can grow and evolve and not be at the mercy of fate, other people and our environment.
Yes, Satanism includes being independent. But that doesn't mean we neglect the Gods. They are our Teachers, our Friends, our Guides. 
Did you read the sermon I linked you? It answers your question.


From: shawncunnil <shawncunnil@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 4:14:43 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Enlightenment Without Satan?

  Thank you for the link, magus. That's what I thought. I'm wondering, though, why Satan created us in such a way that we would be spiritually dependent on him, rather than creating us with the ability to reach enlightenment independently. I thought Satanism was all about independence and self.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Magus Immortalis <magus.immortalis@... wrote:

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/THOSE.html






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From: Dino Dizdarevic <dinodizdarevic211@...
To: "[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]" <[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 3:53:50 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?


 
I do not understand your question .. ALL humans were created by Satan .. 'if this is true, it seems like someone could possibly harness their power through meditation without ever involving Satan himself. Is it possible? If not, why not?' Could you be more ... easier to understand? your question isn't logical. If you referred to Satanism there, to people who meditate without being Satanist, then i can answer you. 


________________________________
From: shawncunnil <shawncunnil@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:37 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?


 
According to what I have read on joyofsatan.com, Satan genetically engineered humans to be able to tap into their spiritual energies and reach enlightenment. If this is true, it seems like someone could possibly harness their power through meditation without ever involving Satan himself. Is it possible? If not, why not?. 

 

[jeremy montoya]

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From: Magus Immortalis <magus.immortalis@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?
  I respectfully disagree. Only through Lord Satan can the Serpent fully rise. Not some "higher power." 
This is what new-age and deluded people crow about on the kundalini awakening forums and in their websites. They think just because they have awakened their Serpent that they have reached full enlightenment. This is a common mistake many in these places make. Because there is little to no articles about what the true Kundalini awakening entails. Granted, there is some helpful information about the processes and stages scattered throughout Google and Youtube and some books (you have to really pick and choose and read with a critical mind.)Even people who have gone through the process for 20+ years think that it's okay to believe in some "higher being" like that disgusting nazarene and pray to them. And make websites as an authority telling others to do so. Because they *think* it will help their awakening process. 
Many of them traffic with greys, angels and other entities that see to it that watered-down and dangerous information gets to these people. Whether directly channeled and then sold and packaged to the public in books, on websites, in online forums.
HP Vovim Baghie has written several articles about the Serpent and his stages of awakening and rising on his site:
www.vovimbaghie.com


From: jeremy montoya <jeremymontoya14@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:04:36 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?
  Very few walk alone. One can only advance so far without the protection of a higher power, because their are entities out there who do not want humanity to advance for whatever reason. & also from what i've heard, one needs to believe in a higher power to fully raise their serpent because it raises through the divine & a fully risen serpent is what enlightenment truly is. So, interesting q tho i personally wouldnt advance without Father Satan.

 

[Magus Immortalis]

I don't know to what stage his Serpent rose, if it did at all (versus being awakened).I read some of his essays and his autobiography a few times but he does not mention this in the sources I read. I have not read all his works, but I desire to read more in the future.As I recall, he was meditating on his crown chakra when his Serpent awoke, with all the symptoms following.
For those who have not seen the link on JoS (from Important Information Concerning Power Meditation)
http://www.om-guru.com/html/saints/gopi.html

This was the book:
http://www.amazon.com/Living-Kundalini- ... pi+krishna

It's the first book I read on the Kundalini. I found it helpful.


From: jeremy montoya <jeremymontoya14@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:00:14 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?

  How [/IMG]</var>
From: Magus Immortalis <magus.immortalis@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?
  I respectfully disagree. Only through Lord Satan can the Serpent fully rise. Not some "higher power." 
This is what new-age and deluded people crow about on the kundalini awakening forums and in their websites. They think just because they have awakened their Serpent that they have reached full enlightenment. This is a common mistake many in these places make. Because there is little to no articles about what the true Kundalini awakening entails. Granted, there is some helpful information about the processes and stages scattered throughout Google and Youtube and some books (you have to really pick and choose and read with a critical mind.)Even people who have gone through the process for 20+ years think that it's okay to believe in some "higher being" like that disgusting nazarene and pray to them. And make websites as an authority telling others to do so. Because they *think* it will help their awakening process. 
Many of them traffic with greys, angels and other entities that see to it that watered-down and dangerous information gets to these people. Whether directly channeled and then sold and packaged to the public in books, on websites, in online forums.
HP Vovim Baghie has written several articles about the Serpent and his stages of awakening and rising on his site:
www.vovimbaghie.com


From: jeremy montoya <jeremymontoya14@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:04:36 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?
  Very few walk alone. One can only advance so far without the protection of a higher power, because their are entities out there who do not want humanity to advance for whatever reason. & also from what i've heard, one needs to believe in a higher power to fully raise their serpent because it raises through the divine & a fully risen serpent is what enlightenment truly is. So, interesting q tho i personally wouldnt advance without Father Satan.

 

[Don Danko]

When you want to master a craft, you seek the master of the craft.  This should be common sense. Satan and the Gods are the masters of this knowledge and the original teachers of it. Satanism is the ultimate apprenticeship.     
From: shawncunnil <shawncunnil@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 4:08:17 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Enlightenment Without Satan?
  I am referring to the belief that mankind was originally a slave to the Elohim, but then Satan took pity on us and genetically engineered us with the ability to use spiritual power so that we might become enlightened and reach immortality and the godhead. joyofsatan.com also claims that all "supernatural" power is actually natural and can be explained scientifically.

If that is true, it would mean we contain within our genetics the ability to harness spiritual power. Wouldn't that make it unnecessary to dedicate oneself to Satan, or seek help from the gods? Are they necessary or just helpful on the path to enlightenment?

--- In mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com, Dino Dizdarevic <dinodizdarevic211@... wrote:

I do not understand your question .. ALL humans were created by Satan .. 'if this is true, it seems like someone could possibly harness their power through meditation without ever involving Satan himself. Is it possible? If not, why not?' Could you be more ... easier to understand? your question isn't logical. If you referred to Satanism there, to people who meditate without being Satanist, then i can answer you. 


________________________________
From: shawncunnil <shawncunnil@...
To: mailto:JoyofSatan666%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:37 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?


 
According to what I have read on joyofsatan.com, Satan genetically engineered humans to be able to tap into their spiritual energies and reach enlightenment. If this is true, it seems like someone could possibly harness their power through meditation without ever involving Satan himself. Is it possible? If not, why not?. 

 

[jeremy montoya]

in  his videos on youtube he says that he had  several experiences with his kundalini- it rising it up his spine, so who knows, its pretty interesting tho.

 

[Magus Immortalis]

I will look them up. Thanks.
From: jeremy montoya <jeremymontoya14@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:29:04 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?

  in  his videos on youtube he says that he had  several experiences with his kundalini- it rising it up his spine, so who knows, its pretty interesting tho.

 

[Don Danko]

It seems he got a major pranic volt though one of the channels.
From: Magus Immortalis <magus.immortalis@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:06:20 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?
  I don't know to what stage his Serpent rose, if it did at all (versus being awakened).I read some of his essays and his autobiography a few times but he does not mention this in the sources I read. I have not read all his works, but I desire to read more in the future.As I recall, he was meditating on his crown chakra when his Serpent awoke, with all the symptoms following.
For those who have not seen the link on JoS (from Important Information Concerning Power Meditation)
<a rel="nofollow">http://www.om-guru.com/html/saints/gopi.html

This was the book:
<a rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Living-Kundalini- ... pi+krishna

It's the first book I read on the Kundalini. I found it helpful.


From: jeremy montoya <jeremymontoya14@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:00:14 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?
  How [/IMG]</var>
From: Magus Immortalis <magus.immortalis@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?
  I respectfully disagree. Only through Lord Satan can the Serpent fully rise. Not some "higher power." 
This is what new-age and deluded people crow about on the kundalini awakening forums and in their websites. They think just because they have awakened their Serpent that they have reached full enlightenment. This is a common mistake many in these places make. Because there is little to no articles about what the true Kundalini awakening entails. Granted, there is some helpful information about the processes and stages scattered throughout Google and Youtube and some books (you have to really pick and choose and read with a critical mind.)Even people who have gone through the process for 20+ years think that it's okay to believe in some "higher being" like that disgusting nazarene and pray to them. And make websites as an authority telling others to do so. Because they *think* it will help their awakening process. 
Many of them traffic with greys, angels and other entities that see to it that watered-down and dangerous information gets to these people. Whether directly channeled and then sold and packaged to the public in books, on websites, in online forums.
HP Vovim Baghie has written several articles about the Serpent and his stages of awakening and rising on his site:
www.vovimbaghie.com


From: jeremy montoya <jeremymontoya14@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:04:36 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Enlightenment Without Satan?
  Very few walk alone. One can only advance so far without the protection of a higher power, because their are entities out there who do not want humanity to advance for whatever reason. & also from what i've heard, one needs to believe in a higher power to fully raise their serpent because it raises through the divine & a fully risen serpent is what enlightenment truly is. So, interesting q tho i personally wouldnt advance without Father Satan.