Dr. Phil on Posession

[Sundara]

In this video, Dr. Phil works with someone claiming to be possessed and spiritually raped, etc.. I think this is a very useful tool for those that have come on here with these experiences and Dr.Phil goes on about this in a wonderful way. She is clearly somewhat shocked at the end because her previous intentionally or unintentional beliefs were deconstructed. She appears offended she does not want to say that she has perhaps been wrong her whole life about understanding herself. The people surrounding her condoned it. They also don’t want to face what the actual problem is. Dr. Phil starts by saying a part of him believes her, so as to actually work her out of her delusions.


There’s other more blunt ways that can be done but overall I think this is really worth sharing.

https://youtu.be/0U3u06n9wWs

The comments are helpful as well. Her experiences with herself are real in her mind, but it’s something she is allowing and creating. A person can in fact stop this garbage completely. They just have to admit it.


Taking accountability goes for all parts of ourselves. No one is going to actively try to rescue most people from delusions unless they want to be. If I were talking to her I’d simply say you’re making it up, and it’s all in your head. If you believe you’re possessed and that holy water will have the effect it has been taught to you as, you can easily create that experience in your mind. A part of me would also want to slap her and tell her to shut up and get over it, that would be effective in the moment and probably not wrong. But fewer long term results.

 

[Head Guardian Blitzkreig]

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These types of problems usually involve deep problems and cannot be resolved by just one session of treatment, especially not a Dr. Phil one. The same goes for just simply slapping the person or whatever. If it was that easy, then it would be part of the treatment protocol.

Most likely, brutalizing a person with mental issues will just cause them to run away, so I am not following your full strategy here.

A lot of these issues are beyond the scope of what the world can currently provide. If anyone is dealing with these types of people, then get them medical help, but otherwise move on. They may most likely require a full Satanic treatment center, which does not yet exist.

 

[Novice Priest Karnonnos]

A lot of this Dr Phil stuff is staged with actors as well, I don't trust anything from the oprah media empire (Ellen degenerate, Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz, ((bhad bhabie)), ((suze orman)) etc.) as Oprah simply does everything for money and is supposedly a whacko xian who picks fights with others about their diets not being 'biblically correct' behind the scenes. She also at the start of her career pushed a lot of the Satanic panic bullshit then went full nu-ager in the 2000s.

In 1980, Canadian psychiatrist Lawrence Pazdar published Michelle Remembers, a supposed account of repressed memories drawn up through hypnosis. In the book, his patient (later spouse) Michelle Smith claimed that their treatments had uncovered repressed memories of her parent's involvement in a "satanic cult." Michelle alleged that not only had she witnessed sacrifices of human infants, but that she herself had been subjected to horrific torture, abuse, and even possession by Satan. The book earned Pazder and Smith a $100,000 hard-cover advance, $242,000 for paperback rights, royalties, and a potential movie deal.

BULLSHIT WARNING: In late 1983, the McMartin family, owners of a California preschool, were accused by a parent of molesting children under their care. In 1984, seven McMartin family members and staff were charged with 115 counts of child abuse, later expanded to 321 counts of child abuse involving 48 children. During the trial, accusations were made that the alleged abuses were "satanic" in nature. Claims that the abusers had dressed as ministers or Santa Claus to help cover up their abuse were mingled with even more outlandish stories involving hidden tunnels under the preschool, and claims that one of the abusers possessed the power of flight. In the aftermath of the charges and the publicity that surrounded them, more than 100 other preschools faced similar accusations. The organization "Believe the Children" was formed to promote the theory of ritual satanic abuse happening across the nation, particularly in preschools and similar facilities.

(My note: The enemy pushed this bullshit cuz they knew the truth was only a few years away)

In 1988, NBC aired the prime time special "Devil Worship: Exposing Satan’s Underground," hosted by ((Geraldo Rivera)). Pete Roland, a Carl Junction, MO teenager charged alongside two others in the 1987 murder of a classmate, was interviewed due to the allegedly Satanic nature of his crime. Over the course of the film, ((Rivera)) alleged that thousands of children were being sacrificed by Satanic cults in the US every year, and that metal music and marijuana were in part responsible for leading many teenagers to Satanic worship and horrific crimes. "Exposing Satan's Underground" became the highest rated television "documentary" aired up to that point. In the years that followed, hundreds of documentaries like it aired on every major network. In 1989, Oprah Winfrey featured Michelle Smith and Laruel Rose Willson, another author of a Satanic ritual abuse survivor memoir, on her program, uncritically warning her millions of viewers about the danger that Satanic cults posed to their children.

https://www.senate.mo.gov/LegislativeLibrary/Panic.html

If this individual has a real problem, a lot of this seems to be tied into attention seeking and dependency behavior. Who is easier to blame for one's problems than Satan? We even see this here.

 

[Sundara]

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These types of problems usually involve deep problems and cannot be resolved by just one session of treatment, especially not a Dr. Phil one. The same goes for just simply slapping the person or whatever. If it was that easy, then it would be part of the treatment protocol.

Most likely, brutalizing a person with mental issues will just cause them to run away, so I am not following your full strategy here.

A lot of these issues are beyond the scope of what the world can currently provide. If anyone is dealing with these types of people, then get them medical help, but otherwise move on. They may most likely require a full Satanic treatment center, which does not yet exist.

I would not literally slap her. Yes, she would need further help - good observation. It’s not implied she wouldn’t. But it’s a step to her helping herself. Even therapists and people who provide treatment cannot help or treat anyone if they are capable but not willing to help themselves. The woman is capable, fully capable. And, she had a breakthrough at the end. So now, she is capable of seeking further help. She is a very coherent and capable person, just doesn’t want to recognize that. Her delusions, believe it or not, are very simple looking at it from the outside. It’s the same as people who have had fake Tourette’s for YEARS from TikTok, and as soon as it is properly explained they’re suddenly cured. Her family here has told her this is all valid and they seem to ride off of it. Whatever she is dodging or gaining from these delusions, I do honestly think if we were talking about this literal person, yeah it is technically her who allows this to continue despite her history, at least subconsciously. I know that is sore to say. People with certain mental illnesses can take accountability and it can change their life. This to me is no different than corrupted being delusions and other attacks.

For people that I care for I’ve gone about helping them in a similar fashion, but being more direct like this would’ve been more beneficial at times. Except so as to not disgrace valid spiritual experiences it’s a tough thing, it’s like walking on eggshells. I’ve talked a LOT of people out of delusions in my life, or have at least tried. Kind ways mostly, except when I’m literally attacked. They’ve been from a lot of different backgrounds, just out of free will, I’m aware that casual cruelty is not usually effective. But if I have to be that harsh person, I can be extremely harsh.

I can tell at this point what to condone for someone and leave versus what to help them see. Better at least. Sometimes people just are the way they are but I can tell that this is not true to this persons personality they’ve buried in fear and anxiety. I’ve never brutalized anyone who is mentally ill, except for when it has put me in direct harm. On a daily basis people find I’m the only one they can turn to or trust with severe issues, and I am happy they can rely on me too. At some point a person has got to be just more direct. In life I’ve been placed in this sort of helper or rock position even for people who are violent, and this didn’t effect me the way it would effect other people. I’m not talking about on here I’m talking about in real life.


Helping at a distance is nice though. It’s true to my own nature and less personal. I get very creative in resolving issues. If it fails, I try again. This is a really effective video for people to watch and consider who actually want help getting negative experiences to end, they could take something from it if they’re willing to consider another perspective.

 

[Sundara]

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These types of problems usually involve deep problems and cannot be resolved by just one session of treatment, especially not a Dr. Phil one. The same goes for just simply slapping the person or whatever. If it was that easy, then it would be part of the treatment protocol.

Most likely, brutalizing a person with mental issues will just cause them to run away, so I am not following your full strategy here.

A lot of these issues are beyond the scope of what the world can currently provide. If anyone is dealing with these types of people, then get them medical help, but otherwise move on. They may most likely require a full Satanic treatment center, which does not yet exist.

And yes maybe also saying literally “it’s in your head and you’re making it up” is too brutal of an approach, which I haven’t typically said to many people. But that more just reflects a current feeling of mine. That’s what I would FEEL like saying at this point. I haven’t said that to many satanists at least. We can always be better. Anyway, it’s really not that deep of an issue. If a person is labeled as having too deep of issues or a problem is SO SERIOUS, and it’s portrayed in a horrendous way that just winds up validating their own already poor complex about whether or not they have any control over their issues. I think it’s always best to say a person CAN recover, be believed in, and can handle honesty. And that it’s not as difficult as they may think.

 

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That's all from me in this thread.

 

[Nameless One]

In this video, Dr. Phil...

I stopped reading right here. "Dr." Phil is a horrible man-hating feminist cuck. He is known to gaslight and scold men who are abuse victims and coddle women, literally for doing the same things as men, or even admitting of abusing men:

https://shrink4men.com/2011/01/24/dr-phil-and-domestic-violence-he-just-doesnt-get-it/

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

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This kind of shitposting reflects poorly upon the forum and our public image in general.

You can get the point you're trying to make across in a much more mature and concise manner, without all the crap speech which should remain in lower internet dens like 4chan, reddit or youtube comment sections.

Not Satan's Temple.

Imagine a prospective person comes here to see what this is all about, and they see this crap?

Even if your intention is good, you should realize how the way you write reflects upon the JoS as a whole.

Don't bring this nonsense shitposting speech here.

Hail Satan!

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

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Don't ignore what I wrote to you, as this is quite important for you to reflect upon.

Someone being a known infiltraitor does not mean we should lower ourselves to similar levels of behavior to answer these.


A simple reply such as

"Sundara is a known infiltraitor, why are her posts still approved?"

Or

"This thing is a known infiltraitor, no point discussing anything with this creature."

Rather than the as you agreed it was, shitposting you wrote in reply.

There are better ways to go about this, than to shitpost in such a manner, even as a joke to make a point.


Just so it is clear, I don't defend sundara in this, I am well aware on what she is.

Her being an infiltrator has nothing to do with what I wrote, it applies in general.

Hail Satan!

 

[Voice of Enki [SG]]

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Read this too:

https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=406026#p406026

You've been here for 2 years now. A certain level of maturity is expected.

I gave you my criticism, because you have the makings of a serious Zevism, therefore your aspirations too deserve to be higher.

Hail Satan!