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Depression

centralforce66613 min to read

This topic seems to be coming up a bit in the main groups so I thought I might touch on it here lightly if I could:

Firstly what its important to understand is that the body and mind (and soul) are one functioning unit. So, if one part of the equation is not functioning correctly, then neither is the other. This gives us great opportunity to see into the mechanism behind depression and not only use the body to diagnose it, but also to cure it.

Secondly, many here are also meditating daily (if not all of you) and this can, in certain stages bring up periods of depression. It is important to distinguish between the source of the depression - that which is caused by meditation and energy transformation, that which originates organically from the body and that which has its origins in the mind (which can overlap somewhat with both of the other two).

Depression which is purely physical in nature often corresponds to a lack of bioelectricity - this is the most common form and will manifest as anxiety or sadness - long term grief can also cause the physical symptoms.

Some common patterns of this include Lung Qi Deficiency which manifests with a cough that is worse after exertion, fatigue, shortness of breath, spontaneous sweating (sweating for no reason) and inhalation which is longer than expiration (breathing in feels easier than breathing out).

Another, more chronic pattern is Kidney Yang Deficiency which might manifest as feeling cold, lower back pain, frequent pale urination or the feeling of needing to go to the toilet even after having already been, early morning (4-5am) diarrhea with undigested food in it, loss or significant reduction in libido and fatigue.

Other syndromes which are similar will share some of the above symptoms along with abdominal bloating, poor appetite, loose stools (diarrhea) and possibly organ prolapse in advanced and chronic cases.

There are very effective treatments in the way of herbs for this and which herbs are for you depends on which syndrome you are presenting with.

Another manner by which depression can occur is through obstructed or improper flow of energy around the body. This tends to originate in the mind but can also have physical precursors. The typical presentations are as follows:

Liver Qi Stagnation - Irritability, feeling of something 'stuck' under the ribs, frequent sighing, abdominal pain, shoulder or hip pain, cold hands whilst the remainder of the body stays warm, headaches around the back of the neck and head area and alternating constipation and diarrhea are the principal manifestations here.

Dampness of any etiology/location - the symptoms vary depending on where the dampness is obstructing but it may present with numbness of the extremities, early morning headaches in the front of the head and behind the nose, sinus congestion with copious phlegm expectoration (may also be coughed up even in the absence of an infectious illness), often there is a tendency towards weight gain or fat deposits, there may be a heavy feeling or mental 'fogginess' which obstructs the concentration and there may be dark yellow urination or frequent pale urination.

Again these syndromes can very easily be treated. Note that there may be significant overlap betwene one or more of the above syndromes, additional physical signs (or less) and other factors (medications etc which obscure symptoms and the like).

I will touch on the meditation/soul related depression in another post, as I am low on time currently..

#1

I attempted emailing this to in private, but the message would not go through :/ I would appreciate any and all help you are willing to give ^_^


Hello! I saw your post on depression and looked up a few sights going further into detail about the Kidney Yang Deficiency you mentioned. I am fairly certain I have it and have had it most of my life.

I exhibit the cold hands and feet symptom nearly all the time, except for when I feel like I'm really connecting with someone or a group of people (my Indian friend thinks I just need to connect with people more to fix that, something about water hands and being disconnected?). I also have the frequent, pale urination color, which I assumed happened because I drink so much water. I also seem to have significantly softer stool in the morning than I do at any other time of the day, which one of the sites I looked at had stated was a symptom.

The reason I message you is because I am currently unable to go to the store frequently enough to be able to cook homemade food like they all say I should, and none of the websites I visited gave me any sort of herbal remedy I could take. I know you are very knowledgeable when it comes to Chinese herbal medicine/treatments and would like your expert opinion :)

(If I emailed the wrong person by accident I am terribly sorry)

Sincerely,
Chayce Edward Martin


Hail Satan!

#2

When you say you have had it all your life, do you experience Raynauds Phenomenon? This is when the cold makes your hands go white, then purple then bright red..

Do you get any lower back pain? Also, are you older than 18 or younger?

When you hands get cold is it also your arms an legs or just the hands an feet?

#3

I certainly exhibit some symptoms of Reynauds Phenomenon. My hands have never turned blue before though, and I believe the same can be said about my feet. They do the cold white thing and red tingly sensation when thrown into colder situations and red tingling sensation when taken out, respectively. Thus was under the symptoms, but when I apply pressure to parts of my hand (clenching a fist for example) parts that experienced the most pressure go white and the surrounding areas turn red for a few seconds.

I do experience some lower back pain, but it isn't constant. Usually when I'm in marching band rehearsal/performances or when I work out every now and then (towards the end) when I get to stretch adequately my lower back pain is either non existent or slight. My back also hurts when I sit for too long (like today). I know my body likes to move so I do try and give it what it wants. And I am 19 years old.

The cold only affects my hands and feet, some times my ankles too. No other parts of my appendages get cold.

#4

OK. Have you found that you have had recurring bronchitis attacks throughout childhood and teenage years? Any history of asthma?

Also do you find that you urinate frequently or have the feeling that you need to go to the toilet almost immediately after voiding urine?

The kidneys represent our genetic picture as well as a few other things so it is possible you were born with a predisposition to Kidney Yang Deficiency.

#5

I do have slight asthma which I'm sure transfers from my mother. I'm not entirely sure if you can call it asthma though. Since my mother has stopped drinking milk her cough is almost non-existent. I'm mine would stop too, and it certainly has gone down since I've cut back on milk. I rarely notice it anymore

I do notice that I urinate more frequently than others, but I don't have the urge to urinate immediately after I have already urinated. Unless I'm going to bed and I just went pee, but I was still walking around. Then I get the urge to go again as I like to be as empty as I can before I go to sleep, but I believe that to be more of a psychological problem.

Sorry about the huge delay in my response, I got insanely busy.

#6

No worries, I figured you would respond when you got a chance. Just out of curiosity, if you are a female, do you have or have you ever been diagnosed with any major medical things?

#7

I am male and (if still relevant) I have not been diagnosed with any major medical things.

I have had a continual problem with my lymph nodes though. I'm not sure how to describe it.... They usually flare up when I'm sick (which hasn't been for a long time since I started the aura of protection). Point is I would get swollen lymph nodes behind my ears and underneath my jaw and along my neck. At one point we thought I had appendicitis, but it turned out to be swollen lymph nodes in my abdomen. Which I was thrilled to not be losing a part of me.

My mother believes in the inniogram thing, if you've heard of it. Based off of that system she believes I am a 2 (personality trait thing). The system says that 2's deal with stress, on a physical level, within their lymph nodes. I hope that helps with any hunch you had.

#8

OK well it basically covers what I was looking for anyway. It's kidney yang deficiency with phlegm - the phlegm is what causes the swollen lymph nodes as phlegm is equivalent to dead water. Funnily enough (I've never heard of inniogram before) phlegm can also occur as a product of liver qi stagnation which is stress induced, but I would imagine that there would be other symptoms like alternating diarrhea and constipation, stuck feeling under your ribs, irritability and potentially others depending on you.

#9

I didn't even think about the alternating diarrhea and constipation, but you are absolutely right about that. I just figured I wasn't eating right or that my roommate was affecting me through his unhealthy aura.

I'm not sure what this stuck feeling under the ribs is. And people used to depend on me a good bit, but I've slowly cut that off since I went to college back in August. Also, I can get irritated easily at times, although I'm usually good at hiding it.

What do you suggest I do? Any advice is welcome. I appreciate your assistance and all the time you've given me and all the others I know you've helped.
Hail Satan! May he always watch over you

#11

How can you improve the health of the lungs, allow them to open wider and cause tightness in the pulmonary muscles from an alternative spiritual perspective?

#12

In my experience the most common condition which can be altered just by the state of mind is Qi Stagnation... This can manifest in lots of ways and a lump in the lungs is one of them.

Realistically of course, one can heal themselves of anything using spiritual means but this will always rely on the strength of your aura and your persistence with the healing working.

The throat and heart chakras rule the lungs so these are the best to work with in doing what you have asked to do...

#13

Does the stuck feeling under your ribs ever burn Chayce? Or is it just a dull feeling?

This is caused by mild liver inflammation typically... Exercise can help move the liver qi, and turmeric is a more gentle herb that assist in moving Qi and Blood.

There are other herbs for Kidney Yang and Phlegm as well but that depends on wether or not the Liver Qi stagnation has any other underlying Liver pathology such as Liver Blood deficiency (headaches on the vertex, tiredness (already present obviously), pale lips, dull sallow complexion, pale tongue and skin dryness) or Liver invading Stomach and Spleen (Tiredness when stressed, fatigue, spontaneous sweating (sweating for no reason) stomach cramps, reflux when stressed) as some of the herbs are contraindicated in this case and it would be best to start with something very mild and work from there.

Kidney Yang can be gently warmed by doing the step of the Magnum Opus which draws sexual energy up into the sacral chakra but this method may take some time.

#14

I'm not sure what this stuck feeling is. Sometimes I will feel like something is psychically attacking my 3rd chakra. Like, when you confess your love to someone and they reject you kind of feeling right on my solar plexus. That is the closest thing to the stuck feeling I think you are asking me about

Sometimes I'll wake up in the middle of the night with a fair amount of sweat on my legs and feet, but that's the only thing I can really say about sweating randomly. It's also somewhat random, it won't occur every single night.

I believe I may have slight reflux, but I haven't consulted a doctor about it because it never posed a serious health risk. If I try to force a burp or try to "empty the air out of my stomach" (as I like to think to myself) then I feel some of my stomach acid come up my esophagus. That is my understanding of acid reflux.

I won't try anything until you are certain though. I'm trying to answer all your questions honestly, it's just hard when I don't know for sure what it is you are referring to or asking.

#15

From what you have described that is more like stomach pain - the stuck feeling would be to the sides of the rib cage and believe me if you were experiencing it you would know about it.

I think I'm pretty much there with what is going on but if you could describe your tongue for me?

What colour is it? Are there areas of the tongue of a different colour?

Does it have any coating? If so, is it thick, thin, white, yellow, some other colour? Are there cracks in the tongue? If so, where? Is the coating missing from part?

How wide is your tongue?

Is it wet/moist? Dry?

Are there teeth marks on the sides?

Anything else you can see that I haven't mentioned?

#16

A very light coating on the tongue, there are teeth marks on both sides, and it is moist/wet I would say.
Also, you may be right about the frequent urination. I never thought I peed a lot, but I began paying attention to my roommates and I seem to urinate significantly more than they do. Although, I believe I drink much more water too, so that's up to your discretion.

#17

What is your diet like Chayce? Do you eat a lot of salads, raw fruit and vegetables and other cold things?

Are there any particular spices and herbs which you consume frequently?

How much water in a day would you say you drink?

#18
This is the targeted message.

I have cereal almost every morning. Lunch is either french toast with milk and 2 sausage patties or something warm from the Marketplace (name of a kitchen on campus, I'm in college). Dinner is usually at the Marketplace, again warm. I may have a salad WITH my warm meals, but rarely do I have anything just cold at the Marketplace. I do have tuna fish or peanut butter and honey sandwiches if I am hungry right around 930 or later, before I go to bed. I would say I need to eat more raw fruits and vegetables, based on the recommended daily values and stuff. I will also have a Marie Calendar Chickens Pot Pie every like 3 days or so. Weekends usually center around cold meals though.

I don't eat any herbs or spices on a daily basis, that I am aware of. The occasional spicy food will make its way to the Marketplace, but that's it.

I don't have a solid number on how much water I drink a day. I drink about 2 bottles worth of this 28 fl. Oz. Bottle a day along with normal sized cup at the Marketplace. And if you include the milk that may be an extra 12 Oz, total. The milk in no so sure about, but the water I'm more confident on.
So, not including the milk, maybe around 60 Oz. or so of plain water.

#19

When you say warm meals, what foods do they consist of? Foods have different energies and from what you have just described, you may be eating a lot of damp (possibly cold) foods which are creating your condition but I will go into more detail after you answer the above question..

#20

Wow, this one part seems to really relate to me:" Dampness of any etiology/location - the symptoms vary depending on where the dampness is obstructing but it may present with numbness of the extremities, early morning headaches in the front of the head and behind the nose, sinus congestion with copious phlegm expectoration (may also be coughed up even in the absence of an infectious illness), often there is a tendency towards weight gain or fat deposits, there may be a heavy feeling or mental 'fogginess' which obstructs the concentration and there may be dark yellow urination or frequent pale urination. "
Not all of it of course, but a good portion of it. Also the part of physical problems contributing to depression, one thing for sure is that I would like to lose weight and I have been constantly depressed about that, and lack of motivation to change it, but I seriously want it to change. I wonder what I might to do try and help that along? I still live at home with parents so I don't get too much say about changing my diet, which really sucks as well. And can't buy anything myself simply because I have been unemployed.