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Dealing With The Extrenal World As A Zevist

AvatarHigh Priest Zevios Metathronos7 min to read
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1- How do you deal with being a Zevist while having a wife, kids, friends? (I’ve suspected that the default might be loneliness and outcast tendencies for most here, as it was for me when the weight of truth fell on my heart, completely alone*physically*, am I wrong?)

In this situation one has to understand there is an aspect which is called your internal life. Zevism concerns this life, and one has to transform and evolve in this life.

There is no need for boasting, raising a flag, going into a crusade or anything like this when you are a Zevist. Zeus explicitly explains why in the Al Jilwah. The time for this thing is not yet rife.

By taking certain measures on one's personal space and privacy, one can practice Zevism at the fullest. This clearly requires one skill that develops out of the need to both adhere to a highly spiritual and devotional path while simultaneously accepting the fact one has to live their life.

There is no need for a pointless rebellion or to go around to try to convince others or something, a practice also commonly done by people who have not much progression into the path. Some of us have to fight at the social fronts but not everyone does.

One has to think over what their situation and reasons are, and where they stand and where they want to go in life, then make a sort of an adjustment plan that will be adapting itself in one's life.

Kids, work and a family life do give you more things in your plate but you can always do adjustments in your time. Example "baby I will take the kids from school today". You arrive 15 minutes late, sit somewhere closeby on the bench, and do your exercises. Then, you go to pick up your children.

Also, likely nobody will tell you you are insane in most countries for doing a Yoga session, if you justify this that it's done for reasons of health, for example. "Baby after researching it I think Yoga will fix my back." The list goes.

You have to be a little creative with the reasoning, and certainly not a boastful brat or aggressor to people, as people will likely attack for things they do not understand, but accept things that they can understand.

There are Zevists with 4 kids and they run everything fine, advancing steadily and happily anyway. Willpower and planning things around is the key.

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2- Do you tell people about what you do for good measure and so you can more freely practice, around significant others, if yes what do you say to keep the core belief hidden?

Some of us are open, and that comes at a cost for us. Yet those who are not open, you can always say things like that you are interested in Buddhism or even Esoteric Christianity. In Islamic Nations, one must say nothing, as there are endless people that can do you exceptional harm if you do that.

There are places to go to practice, like a park, inside your car, in a garden, or when you take lone time. One has to cycle around these.

My first years as a Zevist I didn't have a lot of space and had a life of endless errands. There were times I would pretend I was having a shower for 30 minutes, and it was only really 2 minutes. Then, time was saved 15 minutes before bed and so on. Complex as this might be, one can adjust this around the schedules of other people too.

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3- If you are traveling a lot, staying at friends place maybe, or going out as can be necessary for a social gathering, party or business venture etc. How do you maintain your practice? Are such things feasible for a Zevist to be able to do?(This is near impossible without masquerading your beliefs and that you are a “Devout Hindu” as the daily practice will suggest to others and vocalizing such to those you meet, something I’m starting to think can help me remove fear and shying away from opportunities and desires by being more “open” to tall about the “hinduism front”)

This one is tricky. You can use people's sleeping hours, or time when they shower, and it all depends what type of people you have around yourself. The degree of understanding is also the degree of what you can do in that regard.

It is a skill one can develop. If someone for example goes for groceries, you can shove in 15 minutes of practice. You can become better at this when you know exactly the time things take.

Saying that you are a Hindu will work in most Nations no problem whatsoever.

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4- Have you had to memorize meditations, the Ritual’s, Ritual opening statements etc. For the sake of being able to again mask what you are actually doing? (With a more social life and line of work that requires travel etc.?)

That is a big thing here. Yes, memorizing these is a very powerful tool. The same goes for affirmations that you regularly do. This makes you independent in your meditation practice and can give you tremendous advantages especially where space, time and difficulties of meditation are concerned. Memorizing mantras, Rituals and other things is very difficult, but it is very powerful.

Airport lounges and other places like this can be your friend, but you will need the proper space. Nobody keeps you for example between your flights to go outside of the airport, or sit on the least crowded coffee shop and do your mantras very silently, or even mentally, while pretending that you are speaking to your headpiece. If people see you with a headpiece, they generally will not approach you.

Memorization is a gift for some, and for others, it is impossible. But if you constantly repeat things and do meditations again and again, you will start remembering all of it just because you have repeated it a giant amount of times. This type of habituation can be really handy when you seek to advance, it saves a lot of time and dependency on many external means.

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5- Are you extremely private and also lonely in a physical sense? (Would like to make poll of this, I really don’t know how many people fall in this category, again when I hear of people raising a family, friends, and partners and such I’m always shocked and skeptical that it’s true with the nature of our beliefs and what we do)

That is not necessary to be one's life, yet quite a few people might choose this life for many different reasons, ranging from planetary to reasons of devotion, or because simply one can't be assed to have their time spent all day on things that one no longer interest someone in the case of extensive periods of advancement.

Awareness of a cost here can be serious, for example, some people can afford this [literally afford it financially or in other ways] and other people simply cannot.

The True Nature of our beliefs is that we follow the natural course of affairs. Every Zevist can adjust the practices and statuses of Zevism into your life and on the pattern of your own existence. One then finds their path further by the guidance of the Daemons, and through inner healing you progressively ascent and become a better and more healed person.

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Hoping this ends up being an insightful discussion.

I open of course this thread for discussion as others can also share excellent and helpful ideas.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

#1

A very important topic especially to young people still building their social circle and thinking about starting a family. Someone expressed doubts if this can be managed and I can confirm that it is possible to have a social life, family life and professional life all thriving and well balanced along a meditation schedule and more. The key to this is being extremely well organized and having your family, friends and coworkers accept you as you are (or at least whatever you choose to tell them). The number of people I consider friends has diminished with time especially since having children and getting deeper into this path but that's a natural process of refining quantity into quality which happens over the years even without being a zevist. You don't have to give anything up and only gain tremendous value with making as much time as possible to work on yourself. With all this said, it does weigh heavily that I can't be fully open about my beliefs but that's just something you have to accept for the time being.

#2

I have two children and a husband. What saves me is that I have a workshop in a barn where I do all my runic meditations, rituals, Ritual. To make sure I am not disturbed in the middle of a ritual or meditation, I am the first one up and the last one in bed in the house.

I have banned all distractions, I keep those that are necessary for my children (like sometimes watching a movie with them), for my family (going far away from home to see my old and sick mother), for my dog (walking in the nature).
I have no social or love life (we are only a parental couple, each one sleeps in his room). I devote myself to my various professional jobs, my home and of course, my spiritual and magical advancement and Father Zeus (translations, Ritual, etc).

It is necessary to know how to make sacrifices and have endless days. I go to sleep without guilt only when I feel tired and I have fulfilled a lot of objectives in my day.

#3

I’ve seen the Gods supporting around this. There are times when we are in difficult situations that we can’t even meditate, I’ve seen opportunities coming up, people leaving you and ending up having enough privacy and such.

I think everyone of us should have a life time simple ritual that work for you to have enough time and privacy to do our practices all the time.

For those not married yet, the sooner the better so that by the time you will find a partner, circumstances will be better.
This will manifest in different ways, maybe you end up having a partner that supports you, or maybe have your own house and other ways

But no need to worry over this, we are with our Gods. Amazing ways and opportunities will always present themselves.

#4
This is the targeted message.

Also, one can use the “more meditations that workings” approach to make life easier.
Doing too many workings in an environment that is full of disturbances can be challenging.

Jus make sure your program contains what you can handle.

#5

It can feel wrong or even dishonest to basically have to wear a mask in public or even to your family but it will save headaches in the long run as far as being vocal about satanic practices, beliefs, and so on.

If you have sag emphasis, 9th house planets, especially venus or mars, or a combination of the aforementioned this certainly speaks to you. You will have a tendency to want to be vocal and opinionated about your beliefs, especially to loved ones, and more often than not it will not end well. Being to open especially in public in certain circumstances can be dangerous. Learn to curb this tendency and it will save you a lot of trouble.

Due to time constraints for me, I have found myself doing meditations and chants while driving to and from work, and right before bed, to repeat the same the next day. If you work 10 to 12-hour days utilizing the breaks you get during that time are a big help. You may have to compromise with about 1 to two hours less of sleep in some cases to complete your daily routine on top of a demanding job.

#6

Also, one can use the “more meditations that workings” approach to make life easier.
Doing too many workings in an environment that is full of disturbances can be challenging.

Jus make sure your program contains what you can handle.

#7

Well, I believe Father Satan knows the heart of his devotees. He knows their needs, their concerns and doubts. If one is commited with Zevism one can ask Him to show us a way to overcome the obstacles we are facing to do our practice. If we believe in Him, He will show you a way that may help us to succeed. Of course, dealing with a family, kids, travelling and so many things IS complicated for us, but there are always spots of time we can use.

We can, for instance, have the Rituals in our tablets, cell phones, etc. We can do void meditation and other meditations on the plane, the train, the subway, etc. There is always a way.

Of course, be true to yourself, because well all know some of us can be frankly lazy to commit to meditation, and use the "lack of time" excuse. So, again, be true to yourself. This is not an easy path, but fortunately, Father Satan understands all this and if you do the best you can, even 10 minutes a day, but you put all your intention, concentration and emotion, you will move in the right direction.

As to being alone, some of us have willingly chosen it, but don't get confused, because being alone is different from being lonely. A Zevist is never lonely, you must remember that the Gods are always around us, even if we cannot see them. I myself have known and understood for a long time now that I prefer to be a single than to endure a human companion who brings me more suffering and arguing than company and comprehension. But that is my choice and I am very happy the way I am now.

I wish you all luck in your path. Just go on and do your best.

#8

My room mate is a christian. He saw me browsing the JoS forums, and saw the upside down pentagram. He tried to warn me of the "potential dangers" but I told him the website was a video game where we hunt witches in the game. Then we got into a discussion of spirituality and religion and I pretended to be an adamant atheist.

#9

I think that when you are grown up man/woman and have husband/wife and children, then your family in general must know that you are Spiritual Satanist. It's depends on geographical location, when you are living in islamic country, then maybe not. But for example in Estonia wher per cent of abrahamic religion followers are very low and lots of people belive into astrology and crystals, then nobody actually cares. Just don't force it. I think that relationships should be built up on honesty and when you are Satanist, then your children have right to know Satanism and lear it if they want.

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#10

Superb answers HPZM.

Ave Satanas

#11

Thanks for sharing, these tips are a great help to combine your spiritual advancement with your daily life.

#12
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
AskSatanOperatorsaid:

2- Do you tell people about what you do for good measure and so you can more freely practice, around significant others, if yes what do you say to keep the core belief hidden?

Some of us are open, and that comes at a cost for us. Yet those who are not open, you can always say things like that you are interested in Buddhism or even Esoteric Christianity. In Islamic Nations, one must say nothing, as there are endless people that can do you exceptional harm if you do that.

There are places to go to practice, like a park, inside your car, in a garden, or when you take lone time. One has to cycle around these.

I have some thoughts about this.

It is nice that this is coming out now. I've been thinking lately that in order to be satanist, one should be very introspective due to the individualistic nature of our religion. However, factoring in that there are Gods that help to be charismatic and such, how would it be viable to be an extrovert satanist during the time we live in? You may argue that life is not only about religion, but it is a fact that you will end up bumping into many situations concerning religion somehow (e.g. Christmas) even if are an introvert. If you are an extrovert, this becomes way more awkward and uncomfortable.

Another point is that if Satan means truth, shouldn't we be telling the truth to people regarding our beliefs? Or do you think that getting along with everybody is more important than telling the truth? Maybe not everyone deserves to know the truth?

#13

While my situation is a bit unique, as I have children and a partner who's a Spiritual Satanist. I'd like to offer some advice.

When studying and looking into your future, take deeply into consideration getting educated and or planning ahead for a career that would be flexible enough to accommodate your advancement.

Again. This is in a better and or ideal circumstance. Many of us have to compromise and do what we can.

For example. I'm studying and going through with some classes for my education so I can get a career that helps me be able to balance helping my wife with the children and also giving me time for advancement. Likely something I can do from home for a company, or at a nearby office.

I've been working towards this for awhile and once im finished and have things in order with my health. I will likely be in a comfortable position for future advancement.

My advice to fellow Satanists is look into how or what would create the best future for you. With the most time, and be able to support the life you are living.

It can be tough and one should ask the gods. But there is some ways. They are very strong on guiding us towards things that capitalise our advancement and create a better life for us as we advance.

“Come to me, O Lord IAO, great Zeus-Ammon, hidden fire, all-seeing one, ram-horned, first and last, who rules from the sun.”
PGM V.96–172

“I am Atum, when I was alone in Nun. I am the beginning and the end.”
Coffin Texts, Spell 714

(Enki of Eridu, Lord of the Earth -- Poem)
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#14

I don't have a family or children yet, but when I was younger living at home and having to deal with religious parents I had to get creative and do things like Cobra said, Like taking extended showers, and bathroom breaks. I also did things like offering to feed my father's animals outside and taking spare time to meditate or do various things. I also waited until my parents were asleep at night and did other workings in my closet or bathroom where no one could easily hear me.

I have had various roommates after I moved away from home and my first roommate did not work out so much. My second was going to move in with me until they were revealed to me as being someone I did not need to associate with or live with they were very toxic and did not let me have any personal space when I needed it, so I did not let them move in and we parted ways. I currently am in a good living situation with someone who is mutually respectful of my space and I am able to freely do my practices, I am very thankful to Father Satan and the Gods for this.

Whatever your situation is like I know if you trust in the Gods for guidance they will give you the opportunities you need to be able to have needed free time to meditate and advance. Many of the people above have given already great advice on how they deal with things. I don't have as much experience with juggling time anymore but I do remember the days when things were much more difficult. When I had to take care of a sick parent, when I had to take care of the property, when I had little to no free time. I looked for any opening. I would offer to stay at home to "watch the property and animals" when my parents would go grocery shopping and use the much needed time to do my workings. Literally any time you can squeeze in no matter how small is important. It can be done! it just takes good time management practices.

Hail Father Zeus!
Hail Lord Apollo! Hail Lady Astarte!
Hail Mother Hera!
Hail to all the Gods and
Goddesses of Elysium!

The virtue of justice consists in moderation, as regulated by wisdom. — Aristotle.

#15

It made me remember my experience a few months ago. I was in a difficult situation and I had nowhere to do spiritual practice. I constantly caught the moment, grabbed it, as they try to grab luck by the tail. As a result, I managed to meditate quite often, but after some time I had a nervous breakdown. I felt tired and dissatisfied with the practices. Actually, I was happy. when I was able to complete the tasks for the day, but the uncertainties and the realization that I did not know when and how I would be able to complete it tomorrow - constantly occupied my thoughts. And then one day I sat down and thought, is this the kind of work that Satan expects from me? My thoughts at that moment were dominated by fear, during rituals and meditations. I was afraid that I would be caught doing this (I then lived with Christians in the same hotel room), and I had great doubts whether such work makes any sense at all if I experience such negative feelings during it. I really wanted to do them with gratitude, happiness and peace, but this did not always work out. The only thing that this experience has taught me is that you can actually practice anywhere. I did it in the bathroom, taking a shower, because the soundproofing was very poor. There is no better life than a life in which you can freely engage in spiritual development without hiding or pretending to be doing something else. For that, I would really choose to be alone. Therefore, I sincerely admire those who manage to do it calmly, who do their job no matter what. And I wish everyone, all of us, to be happy, no matter in the family or in splendid isolation. No matter which path you choose, you will not be alone, because Satan and our Gods will remain with us forever. Be who you are. Be Satanists wherever and with whomever you are.

„ich habe ihn, den
Ammon bekleidet mit seinem Schmucke.....”.

«Das Ritualbuch des Ammondienstes»

#16

I have kids and a wife, some stay at home and other goes to school. My wife dont know about this but I intended to introduce it smoothly since shes open minded but I need to introduce this carefuly so she just don't think its a waiste of time.

I have a stay at home kind of job. I do some spiritual working during the day when I got some time alone, and I do many working when everyone is sleeping.

It was not easy at the beginning but you need to take every spare time to advace. Or you need to have a wife that will become a Zevist too.

#17
sshivafrsaid:

I have two children and a husband. What saves me is that I have a workshop in a barn where I do all my runic meditations, rituals, Ritual. To make sure I am not disturbed in the middle of a ritual or meditation, I am the first one up and the last one in bed in the house.

I have banned all distractions, I keep those that are necessary for my children (like sometimes watching a movie with them), for my family (going far away from home to see my old and sick mother), for my dog (walking in the nature).
I have no social or love life (we are only a parental couple, each one sleeps in his room). I devote myself to my various professional jobs, my home and of course, my spiritual and magical advancement and Father Satan (translations, Ritual, etc).

It is necessary to know how to make sacrifices and have endless days. I go to sleep without guilt only when I feel tired and I have fulfilled a lot of objectives in my day.

I would like if you could email me, I have some questions for you.

#18
Masterj810610said:

I would like if you could email me, I have some questions for you.

Bonsoir Master, contactez Ara pour qu elle vous transmette mon nouvel email (je n ai plus du tout accès à l ancienne adresse que vous connaissez), je ne souhaite pas l afficher sur le forum, merci

#19

Just a bit out of topic, but brothers and sisters, isn’t it wiser to marry after the first Saturn return?