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Caution Regarding Divinatory Readings

AvatarHigh Priestess Lydia Coventina3 min to read

Many people in the world have caused ruin to their lives from incorrect interpretations of divination readings (tarot, astrology, tea leaves, dream interpretation, etc).

The reason why? A lot of people, especially non-Zevism, who offer these readings are not at a high level of awareness or wisdom. And people get readings from them thinking (or at least hoping) these people have true insight.

Regarding tarot specifically, each card has many meanings – beneficial, malefic, and neutral. It isn’t as straightforward as astrology. A reading might seem fun when you first get it, but then what, if the interpretation turns out to be inaccurate and influenced you to make a mistake in life?

Many times when people are new to tarot (or other forms of divination), they get some accurate answers and think they have the swing of things, then start offering readings to others, not understanding that they can seriously affect someone’s life. It takes years of practice, observation and note-taking, trial and error and fact-finding, to become adept. You also need insight and understanding of life, human nature, spirituality, growth and development.

Giving a disclaimer to the person you offered a reading to, expecting them to use their “inner wisdom” (many people don’t even have this) to make the correct choice, isn’t enough. It doesn’t wash your hands of responsibility. Many people are too trusting, and will make decisions based on stunted or warped interpretations of the reading.

So to those of you who go to others for readings, don’t rely 100% on it. Use it as a guide, not as a rule. And be careful. I went for a reading in-person one time, the tarot reader was an adept psychic vampire. Many professional occultists are psychic vampires, or have a warped sense of spirituality. Many of them don’t actually want to help you, they want you to become dependent on them to keep paying their bills. Always be alert.

And to those who want to offer readings to other Zevism, my advice is to not do this until you have been advancing yourself enough first. If you’re confused about yourself and/or can’t even properly understand the ToZ, then how can you offer true divination for other members here? A lot of people do not understand the impact a reading can have on someone. This impact can be for positive… or for negative. You need to understand the power and influence you have, or appear to have, because many people are desperate for any sort of guidance or hope. This is not a joke.

On a final note, nobody is permitted to publicly charge for readings here on the ToZ, unless you are verified and approved by Clergy. Even publicly offering free readings is on the boundary, because of the impact an incorrect reading can cause. (If you want to start your own personal online, or in person, business then that is your own business.)

In the (hopefully near) future, the ToZ will have verified experienced tarot readers, astrologers, and more, to help our members :)

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#20

Brother, please, I believe you are experiencing what HPS Lydia said at a higher degree of sensitivity than which she intended. Nobody had said you are a bad guy or anything like that. It is just an unfortunate situation stemming from a misunderstanding about what we want to allow.

As from what I can see there, there is nothing from these events that should be taken as a true "attack" against yourself or your abilities. Instead of viewing yourself as being completely prevented from your work, you should instead view it as like a test to meet high standards.

HPS Lydia is trying to restore the quality and standard that should be involved with divination, far from what is seen in the average person. That is why she had to act in the way she did.

Brother, you are perhaps one of the only people I respect here. And I say that with good reason.

the situation is, one of the older members came into my mail ( as did literally 15 other members on the first day), and advised me to monetize this work so I can donate. I said, okay, that's what High Priest Zevios Metathronos told me, so it should be fine.

But instead of any reasonable advice, or any proper explanation, what I get from Lydia is a very harsh, rude warming, that I am not verified or experienced etc.

That already would make anyone mad.

So I said ok. You don't need to be rude, but I leave it up to the clergy if one day they wish to verify me or not. But I was still hurt from this.

And then, without even telling me, she goes and decodes to completely ruin everything. Delete everything.

Like hello? Where is basic decency here? You could have at least told me without deciding to very dismissively delete everything like you're sooooo sooo better than me.

The plan wasn't even to delete my thread. I was willing to still continue doing tarot for free, and what do I hear from her? More insults. She literally tells me that all my hard work for two years of delving deep into tarot is nothing. Do you even understand how fucking much that hurt to hear from her????????

Literally every single one of you guys who has taken a reading from me has confirmed that it was accurate and helpful.

I'm not saying I'm a master in tarot. In fact I'm far from it. But that doesn't mean I should be treated and dismissed like a child. Apparently, some of you people here actually think im a child. Well fuck you to those people.

If you truly wish to teach people and help them grow, then at least let them in on certain situations, so AT THE VERY FUCKING LEAST I know the decisions you guys are making aren't based on some rude, dismissive view of me. Because it really was.

Without even taking a miniscule portion out of her day to actually test me, she just dismisses me as completely defunct and devoid of any knowledge or skill.

This is not for bragging, but literally if you look at my birth chart you will clearly see ALL OVER that it says I have talent for psychic powers. Heck, you don't even need to interpret it that much.

And then, people call me oversensitive, egotistical etc. For pointing out the most basic rules of decency.

I'm tired of these passive aggressive, downright CONDESCENDING ATTITUDE so many people have here. One would expect that such a community at least has some empathy.

I dont care. I will still partake in spiritual warfare, meditate, and when I get my hands on extra money I WILL donate.

But I will never listen to nor fall for any bullshit of any recently titled person.

Oh, but what do I have to say. After all, my work is " nothing", and I am an inexperienced child. Right?

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#21
TheWhiteGiantsaid:post: 502311

The only thing that I wished for, was to at least not dismiss me like a child. That's the only thing I have a problem with. I agree with what you said 100%. But Lydia's treatment of me was rude and uncalled for.

I literally am reading that post and I don't see where the giant disrespect or whatever else you are saying is present. I read the topic 3 times.

Also, a post was deleted, and then a post was made. However that is a generalized situation. If you read the post, it doesn't say anything about you specifically or anything like that you are anything that you say.

But because you want to go through with anything without any forethought or whatever, you are saying all sorts of lies that you are being disrespected, others play moral police, "Who are you to do this!" and all sorts of other ranting.

If I told you to monetize your work, I don't mean sell things on the forum. Past a point randoms from Nigeria will be here to sell us life insurance or whatever. So we don't do this, it's a very strict situation about these matters. Another dude will want to sell his latest masterpiece on how to move a pendulum with one's penis for maximum effectiveness.

You are not being dismissed yet just having all this aggressive behavior as if your whole existence was being questioned simply because we have a policy or because someone told you no about something, shows extreme mental immaturity, which one would ascribe only to a teenager or a child and a spoiled one at that.

Keep growing and don't think others always do these things with personal ill intent or to trigger you. That's part of literally growing up.

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#22

I literally am reading that post and I don't see where the giant disrespect or whatever else you are saying is present. I read the topic 3 times.

Also, a post was deleted, and then a post was made. However that is a generalized situation. If you read the post, it doesn't say anything about you specifically or anything like that you are anything that you say.

But because you want to go through with anything without any forethought or whatever, you are saying all sorts of lies that you are being disrespected, others play moral police, "Who are you to do this!" and all sorts of other ranting.

Oh, so I'm a spoiled child now and extremely immature for calling out someone for a sudden rude warning?

Great.

Perfect.

Thanks.

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#23

So I guess next time someone is rude, I should just not feel a thing and not react, because "it's for immature children", am I right?

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#24
TheWhiteGiantsaid:post: 502315

So I guess next time someone is rude, I should just not feel a thing and not react, because "it's for immature children", am I right?

TheWhiteGiantsaid:post: 502314

Oh, so I'm a spoiled child now and extremely immature for calling out someone for a sudden rude warning?

Great.

Perfect.

I restored your replies because there is no point to delete them, they represent the points that made in the topic.

"I'll leave the JoS, I wasn't respected, I only respect you, I am always right, I was mistreated, the community has no empathy because one of my posts were deleted". Most of what you write are exaggerated statements to no end.

When exaggeration happens, one also exaggerates negative emotions. In this case you exaggerated your own to no end and went through 100 stages all the way to saying you are going to leave, while in fact, all of this is not that something great or a persona attack to you. More calmness was required here.

These statements result from feeling attacked or something when this was not the case.

Simply because you were offended, you didn't even verify all the nonsense you say about such offense. Yes, that is highly immature behavior and the first person you harmed was yourself by it.

Writing all that bogus nonsense, where is your empathy, pretending like you were dragged to go into some sort of gulag simply because one post was deleted? Where is empathy in that line, for example: "But I will never listen to nor fall for any bullshit of any recently titled person."

Yeah, I forgot, since you exaggerated your mistreatment, it's alright to say any of this.

Then you manufacture all that nonsense because you want to exaggerate and get your way, you are not being insulted because you are called a spoiled child, because you are primarily exaggerating and lying about your primary points, only to get your way.

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TheWhiteGiantsaid:post: 502309

the situation is, one of the older members came into my mail ( as did literally 15 other members on the first day), and advised me to monetize this work so I can donate. I said, okay, that's what High Priest Zevios Metathronos told me, so it should be fine

My excact words: Thank you, and I think this is something that could be charged for.

I did not say to sell here, right now, and without vetting from higher ups. JoS is an organization that has a pretty strict hierarchy based on merit (and for a good reason), which should be pretty clear, but if it was not, it should be now...

I apologize for not being more specific about this issue as by doing so this could have been avoided.

On the other hand I disagree with the decision to cancel your topic altogether as there have been others providing free tarot readings in the past and no one had a problem with it. But perhaps there are some of your now deleted posts that could change this view. For example, how you handled yourself here is not the best approach, in my opinion.

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#26

Besides, you are not a JG, who are you to say who has rights to do what and who are you to speak for anybody in the forum?

JG or not, I'm a subordinate to them, and if something here is a rule by a higher up, I'm allowed to tell people what they can or cannot do.

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#27

To want to paint HPS Lydia as an arrogant, rude person is so unfair. She is literally one of the nicest people here. She doesn't need to, but she is always very kind and patient with everyone.

I read the thread that was deleted, and it was nothing to lose your mind over. It was just a thread were you firstly tried to charge with no permission to do so, and when HPS Lydia told you why you couldn't do that, you started overreacting and complaining like you're doing now. To want to paint the situation as "we want to censor you" is also extremely unfair. Like you're some kind of threat to us and we have to "limit your free speech", because otherwise it would be such an issue for us to deal with what you said, it would really be the end for us you know, oh my god.

That thread didn't contain any value, it was just you complaining and overreacting to what HPS Lydia told you. So many chances are given to people here as well, even if it's almost obvious someone is trolling their posts are approved and many chances are given to all sorts of people, so spare us the censorship nonsense.

You should also be more humble. When you say to the High Priestess "like you're soo much better than me", well I want to let you know something, she is. You make such a big deal about your "2 years", but you seem to ignore that she's been here for more than 13 years and before that she was a spiritual person her whole life. Believe it or not, 2 years is really nothing when it comes to these things. There are many people here who have been doing these things for decades and they are much more humble than you. The part where you say that JG Blitz is one of the only people you respect here is even weirder. Now you hate everyone here because your thread was deleted? You see how silly this is?

To be verified to work for the JoS and charge you need to be at a very high level. And you have to prove your skills to the Clergy. I believe you when you say that you have talent and I think you have good intentions, but this is how it works. You will need to gain the trust of the Clergy and prove that you are a mature person, which is a very important part of divination itself. Control of one's emotions, maturity, wisdom, understanding people and so on.

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#28

It is quite disturbing that you make this comparison here, and furthermore, who are you to state rules?

If there had been a change in the official status resulting in prohibiting tarot reading, then it would stand that all the previous topics would have been deleted as well, no? As it stands, this is not the case. So the rule can not have been changed, or enforcing is poor.

Whatever the case might be, none of this has been explained before these topics were posted.

Look at the thread in which we're posting and the situation that is occurring. I'm not creating rules, a person has been prohibited from doing casual readings on the forums and a caution has been released, it's pretty obvious that JoS is taking a more serious stance on this kind of thing.

Other threads are already dead and old, this is a new situation and it has been corrected, what's the problem with that? JoS is constantly evolving and things change as the situation requires.

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#29

Guys, why are you arguing in this thread that HPS Lydia wrote?

And TheWhiteGiant, a word of advice: If somebody, like High Priests and High Priestesses and JG or such tell you to learn from the experience instead of lying or getting butthurt, do yourself and everyone else a favor and LEARN from this mistake.

I know that quite a few people can get really sensitive and take things too heart way too easily, (I myself am like that sometimes), the best course of action would be to look within yourself and find out why it bothers you so much and work through it. Emotional healing meditation can do wonders in healing your emotional scars and help you move on and become the best person of yourself.

I know that it is hard feeling like everyone is against you, but people aren't against you, they are just pointing out that you're making this bubble bigger than it needs to be.
Put your pride and ego in reverse in this instance and learn from this, instead of going around hating on certain people.

Nobody is asking you to like everybody, but please be the bigger person and show some respect. It goes a long way. We all make mistakes. We're literally human, still mortal. If we were already like the Gods and making such mistakes, then I'd question where the hell am I, haha.

But yeah, the point I'm trying to make is that step back, meditate, spend time addressing the issue within yourself and grow as a person! Let the Gods guide you. Trust in them. :)

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#30

On the other hand I disagree with the decision to cancel your topic altogether as there have been others providing free tarot readings in the past and no one had a problem with it. But perhaps there are some of your now deleted posts that could change this view. For example, how you handled yourself here is not the best approach, in my opinion.

It was deleted after he proved himself to be too immature to handle influencing the fate of other Zevism.

We have had members in the past who mislead (either on purpose or not) other members to think they have been approved by the ToZ to do readings. Even I thought one member had been approved by HPZM because the member pretty much said so. If someone posts here saying they are doing readings, other members will assume he's legit. So I posted to his thread clarifying, so others could read it too, that he was not verified. People needed to know. I left it for a few hours then deleted the whole thread once I posted this, as was decided.

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#31

My dear brothers and sisters, Mercury is retrograde and it shows. Please, for the sake of our community, take a moment to calm down and do not antagonize each other with unnecessary negative emotions. Love you all.

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#32

Look at the thread in which we're posting and the situation that is occurring. I'm not creating rules, a person has been prohibited from doing casual readings on the forums and a caution has been released, it's pretty obvious that JoS is taking a more serious stance on this kind of thing.

Other threads are already dead and old, this is a new situation and it has been corrected, what's the problem with that? JoS is constantly evolving and things change as the situation requires.

The problem is that you are misunderstanding the context and message others based on this misunderstanding.

What has happened is that Clergy deleted a topic because charging of money was involved. Now, after a reply from Lydia, there is also a secondary reason. I've yet to see a prohibition of tarot readings. Lydia used words such as perhaps, and Blitzkreig took it further interpreting Lydia as if she made a clear-cut statement of prohibition (which is not the case). Also, Zevios Metathronos did not state this being not allowed, either. Seems like a bit of a misunderstanding to me. What Lydia posted acts as information for people to be responsible around divination because it requires a certain level of maturity for it to be practiced properly.

When there has not been a prohibition before the post there would be no base for your statement "You had no right to start that thread, you didn't ask permission to any superior."

If there would be a prohibition, it would be effective after the information had been shared, not before, and there would have to be actions taken for previous materials to be removed. Otherwise, the situation would be the same as in a communist administration where people can be punished for something they have done in the past.

It was deleted after he proved himself to be too immature to handle influencing the fate of other Zevism.

Yes, I can see that now and I can agree when the basis of the decision is this.

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#33

My excact words: Thank you, and I think this is something that could be charged for.

I did not say to sell here, right now, and without vetting from higher ups. JoS is an organization that has a pretty strict hierarchy based on merit (and for a good reason), which should be pretty clear, but if it was not, it should be now...

I apologize for not being more specific about this issue as by doing so this could have been avoided.

"how I handled myself" has nothing to do with it. It has to do with the same thing you believe should have been avoided. If you wanna change your opinion and view of me because of that, then go on ahead. I dont give a damn.

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#34

It was deleted after he proved himself to be too immature to handle influencing the fate of other Zevism.

We have had members in the past who mislead (either on purpose or not) other members to think they have been approved by the JoS to do readings. Even I thought one member had been approved by HPZM because the member pretty much said so. If someone posts here saying they are doing readings, other members will assume he's legit. So I posted to his thread clarifying, so others could read it too, that he was not verified. People needed to know. I left it for a few hours then deleted the whole thread once I posted this, as was decided.

go to hell, karen

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#35

I dont fucking care. Im gonna keep advancing and I will literally go on ahead and acheive all of my fucking dreams and goals and I dont need none of your approvals and permissions. Keep slandering me assholes. I love the attention. exactly how high priest cobra loved to be petty and to restore those comments instead of trying to get where im coming from.

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#36

keep calling me immature and all these names, I know what I read and I know what i saw. IF only yall had some simple MANNERS none of this would have happened. Thats the truth. Funny thing is, I keep hearing the same thing coming from people who are still Spiritual Satanists, but have left the forum. They complain of the same exact double talk and double standards, and from all the idiots in here who just think they're too good. I dont need the approval of any clergy to be of Satan, and continue as a spiritual satanist. after all, you got to have some self respect after so much stupid shit they assume about you, right? im not exaggerating anything. I saw something wrong, was rudely dismissed, and then had my comments removed, and now people are mocking me and being petty about it, straight up antagonzing me because they think im overreacting.

Whatever. why am i even bothering myself to type this? lol. fuck you and fuck anybody who doubts in me. I will fucking SHOW you after a while that i can reach success without the approval of ppl like you. who do you even think you are to talk to me like a child. you are nothing. NOTHING.

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TheWhiteGiantsaid:post: 502362

"how I handled myself" has nothing to do with it. It has to do with the same thing you believe should have been avoided. If you wanna change your opinion and view of me because of that, then go on ahead. I dont give a damn.

You made the mistake of ignoring hierarchy and should owe up to it. Even if a thousand members tell you something, at the end of the day you are responsible for your actions. You are digging your own grave at this point and should refrain from making any more comments in your current state of mind. If all goes well you will be able to see this in another light in the future.

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TheWhiteGiantsaid:post: 502366

I dont fucking care. Im gonna keep advancing and I will literally go on ahead and acheive all of my fucking dreams and goals and I dont need none of your approvals and permissions. Keep slandering me assholes. I love the attention. exactly how high priest cobra loved to be petty and to restore those comments instead of trying to get where im coming from.

If you want others to look at you and care for you, you have to practice the same for them, which wasn't done in the slightest here. You are practicing that nowhere in this thread.

You want others to see where you are coming from but you don't give a damn where anyone else is coming from. That's not how these things go.

You just made something instantly, it got disapproved, a situation was explained (you were given reasoning as to why), you didn't like it, and then you started attacking everyone else and going into making these comments. You have shown zero empathy and judgement on this.

Yes, that is the quality of mentally spoiled and bratty children. That's not to say you are always that way either, but on this situation it is how you behaved.

All this reaction shows by itself that the move was not wrong either.

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#41

i just cant anymore... I really cant go on. I dont want to.

maybe I should have just told her privately about how i really felt and not said anything in public ... whatever, it is too late now. im just a clown in your eyes.

I cant trust shit. I express myself and people are like: shut up youre so loud and annoying and a dramatic kid, and then when i dont say anything ppl make fun of me or pity me for not standing up for myself.

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