Caduceus of Hermes

[Lolo Bardonik]

The Caduceus of Hermes

In the past I've done some research about the Caduceus and found some interesting and a bit confusing info that I'd like to share with the groups. I hope anyone that has some greater knowledge to help me make sense of this.

(1)
First of all this is the symbol known today as the caduceus...
http://www.startsandfits.com/hardenberg ... snakes.jpg

Since i had a Greek education, I learned at a young age that the caduceus was also known as the Staff of Hermes. When I recently did my research i was stumbled by the fact that the ancient Greek depictions of the caduceus had nothing to do with the above symbol.

The following picture is the depiction of the Hermes (with the staff) in ancient Greek pottery...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... Hermes.jpg

It's obvious that this seems nothing like the Caduceus!!!

(2)
But the caduceus has an older origin... the Sumerians!

The Sumerian equivalent of the Greek God Hermes was the God Ningishzida and his name in sumerian means "The lord of the good tree"

This is a depiction of a vase dedicated to Ningishzida...
https://ferrebeekeeper.files.wordpress. ... 983272.jpg

This looks more like the caduceus! Note the winged figures left and right of the caduceus.

(3)
As i can understand and combining knowledge from the JoS site and the sermons, the caduceus is obviously depicting the Ida, Pingala and Sushumna (the three main nadis).

The ida contains the passive/female energy (the Queen in the recent sermon of HP Maxine), Pingala contains the active/male energy (the King) and the Sushumna is the channel (nadi) that will contain the Kundalini energy when it ascends.

The ida, pingala and sushumna are used in the following meditations already on JoS:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... n_One.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... on_II.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... ation.html

(4)
Here's where my confusion starts...

We can see in the ancient Sumerian vase depiction that the ida and pingala are crossing each-other 6 times and stop. In the modern depiction they cross 5 times and stop.

I think that the ancient Sumerian depiction displays the activation of the 3 main nadis (ida, pingala and sushumna) and the raising of kundalini, and the modern depiction has another meaning.

We can see in the vase of Ningishzida that the winged entities left and right of the caduceus, that i believe are Demons guiding us to raise the kundalini.

(5)
I believe that the caduceus got a new meaning in medieval times when the filthy xians/jews were killing the old knowledge. The caduceus was used to retain the old knowledge in a symbolic way. The greatest "book" of symbolism that remains till today is the Tarot Deck.

See here the 2 of cups that has the modern depiction of the caduceus
http://www.learntarot.com/bigjpgs/cups02.jpg

In this depiction the caduceus, ida and pingala cross each-other 5 times (from base chakra to the throat) and end to the 6th. To the 6th chakra the two wings project, I'm guessing symbolizing the activated left and right extensions of the 6th chakra.

(6)
Now here's the comes the chaos...
1) the Greek God Hermes was related to communications and was the messenger of the Gods.
2) The same thing applies for the Sumerian God Ningishzida, he was the messenger of Earth Mother.
3) Hermes is the later Roman God Mercury... and obviously related with the planet Mercury
4) Mercury is the ruler of the 5th throat chakra
5) In the Necronomicon's "Opening the Watchtowers" the chant "Ningishzida" is used to open and empower the 5th throat chakra
6) The Egyptian god Thoth was known as the Hermes the Trismegistus (meaning in Greek, thrice-greatest Hermes)
7) The chant "THOTH" is used for the opening of the 6th chakra

Oh my head hurts... so many information but they're conflicting each-other

(7)
And another thing...

When you try to treat a patient with energy (to my personal experience) you raise your energy from base to your heart chakra (4th) then through your shoulder chakras and send the energy through your arms and palm chakras to the patient. If you have your wings open then the healing process will be even more powerful.

So could the caduceus have this meaning?! The lay on hands healing?


If anyone knows more please share...

Hail Father Satan

 

[Enkiss on Descarte]

For some reason I feel like the sumerian ceduceus has 1 more point to it is symbolic of how the sumerian god put the potential of the kundalani inside of us. The modern cadeceus was made much more recently and might have 1 less point because the kundalani is already at our base chakra.

I don't know why there is such a big difference between the caduceus with Hermes and the modern one. Maybe that picture is symbolic of Hermes already achieving the rising of the kundulani. In the picture of Hermes he has wings on his feet that are similar to the wings of the caduceus.

When you successfully the kundulani you're chakras flip. So instead of the wings being on the top which symbolizes the kundalani itself, the wings being on the bottom could symbolize the completion. Also the fact that Hermes is holding the staff could be symbolic of the ability to control the chakras and kundulani that is connected to them.

According to the similarities that you pint out that exist between ningishzida and Hermes could lead one to belief they were on and the same. Thoth is another god entirely. Thoth is one of the highest ranking demons. He brings knowledge. Ningishzida/Hermes is a lower ranking god but is also a bringer of knowledge and communication. So maybe the fact that thoth was know as Hermes the transmigestus means that he was higher in rank and "better" than hermes/ningishzida.

I don't know about the last question.
Hail Satan
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On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 5:07 PM PST Lolo Bardonik wrote:

The Caduceus of Hermes

In the past I've done some research about the Caduceus and found some
interesting and a bit confusing info that I'd like to share with the
groups. I hope anyone that has some greater knowledge to help me make sense
of this.

(1)
First of all this is the symbol known today as the caduceus...
http://www.startsandfits.com/hardenberg ... snakes.jpg

Since i had a Greek education, I learned at a young age that the caduceus
was also known as the Staff of Hermes. When I recently did my research i
was stumbled by the fact that the ancient Greek depictions of the caduceus
had nothing to do with the above symbol.

The following picture is the depiction of the Hermes (with the staff) in
ancient Greek pottery...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... Hermes.jpg

It's obvious that this seems nothing like the Caduceus!!!

(2)
But the caduceus has an older origin... the Sumerians!

The Sumerian equivalent of the Greek God Hermes was the God Ningishzida and
his name in sumerian means "The lord of the good tree"

This is a depiction of a vase dedicated to Ningishzida...
https://ferrebeekeeper.files.wordpress. ... 983272.jpg

This looks more like the caduceus! Note the winged figures left and right
of the caduceus.

(3)
As i can understand and combining knowledge from the JoS site and the
sermons, the caduceus is obviously depicting the Ida, Pingala and Sushumna
(the three main nadis).

The ida contains the passive/female energy (the Queen in the recent sermon
of HP Maxine), Pingala contains the active/male energy (the King) and the
Sushumna is the channel (nadi) that will contain the Kundalini energy when
it ascends.

The ida, pingala and sushumna are used in the following meditations already
on JoS:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... n_One.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... on_II.html
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... ation.html

(4)
Here's where my confusion starts...

We can see in the ancient Sumerian vase depiction that the ida and pingala
are crossing each-other 6 times and stop. In the modern depiction they
cross 5 times and stop.

I think that the ancient Sumerian depiction displays the activation of the
3 main nadis (ida, pingala and sushumna) and the raising of kundalini, and
the modern depiction has another meaning.

We can see in the vase of Ningishzida that the winged entities left and
right of the caduceus, that i believe are Demons guiding us to raise the
kundalini.

(5)
I believe that the caduceus got a new meaning in medieval times when the
filthy xians/jews were killing the old knowledge. The caduceus was used to
retain the old knowledge in a symbolic way. The greatest "book" of
symbolism that remains till today is the Tarot Deck.

See here the 2 of cups that has the modern depiction of the caduceus
http://www.learntarot.com/bigjpgs/cups02.jpg

In this depiction the caduceus, ida and pingala cross each-other 5 times
(from base chakra to the throat) and end to the 6th. To the 6th chakra the
two wings project, I'm guessing symbolizing the activated left and right
extensions of the 6th chakra.

(6)
Now here's the comes the chaos...
1) the Greek God Hermes was related to communications and was the messenger
of the Gods.
2) The same thing applies for the Sumerian God Ningishzida, he was the
messenger of Earth Mother.
3) Hermes is the later Roman God Mercury... and obviously related with the
planet Mercury
4) Mercury is the ruler of the 5th throat chakra
5) In the Necronomicon's "Opening the Watchtowers" the chant "Ningishzida"
is used to open and empower the 5th throat chakra
6) The Egyptian god Thoth was known as the Hermes the Trismegistus (meaning
in Greek, thrice-greatest Hermes)
7) The chant "THOTH" is used for the opening of the 6th chakra

Oh my head hurts... so many information but they're conflicting each-other

(7)
And another thing...

When you try to treat a patient with energy (to my personal experience) you
raise your energy from base to your heart chakra (4th) then through your
shoulder chakras and send the energy through your arms and palm chakras to
the patient. If you have your wings open then the healing process will be
even more powerful.

So could the caduceus have this meaning?! The lay on hands healing?


If anyone knows more please share...

Hail Father Satan