Astrology: About signs on houses

Feb 18, 2022#1

Thank you for this, brother.

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Feb 18, 2022#2

Blackdragon666 [JGsaid:
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I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).
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Capricorn [hard work borne out of labor] is definitely a good indicator for success. But, one might not be successful, or might not sit on a legacy [Capricorn also rules given legacy]. It can also be of merely hard work, but success will be illustrated in a chart. Completely agree as suggestive and not "conclusive". Energies oftentimes are not set in stone. That's when the agility of an astrologer comes in, to understand what is going on.

Excellent post.

Blackdragon666 [JGsaid:
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I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).
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Capricorn [hard work borne out of labor] is definitely a good indicator for success. But, one might not be successful, or might not sit on a legacy [Capricorn also rules given legacy]. It can also be of merely hard work, but success will be illustrated in a chart. Completely agree as suggestive and not "conclusive". Energies oftentimes are not set in stone. That's when the agility of an astrologer comes in, to understand what is going on.

Excellent post.

Feb 18, 2022#3

Blackdragon666 [JGsaid:
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The signs just add a deeper layer of understanding a chart and supplement what is shown by the planets.

This is awesome Blackdragon! Another epic astrology article bookmarked for my studies :D Thank you!

Feb 18, 2022#4

I always included signs on houses in my natal chart readings.

As for the Capricorn on 4th house discussion, the 4th also rules the elder years. People with Capricorn on the cusp usually become more serious and responsible as they age, and take on a managerial role in their household/family.

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Feb 18, 2022#5

Awesome. Thank you for this. :)

Feb 18, 2022#6

Loved reading this, really nice post. Thank you for sharing this knowledge.

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Feb 18, 2022#7

Blackdragon666 [JGsaid:
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In addition, the ruler of a house being in a sign can have a similar effect to having the sign on the house. I've seen this many times.

Thanks for this enlightening article.
What about intercepted sings ? I mean for example a house ruled by Gemini, containing the whole Cancer, where the following house is then ruled by Leo. Would Cancer have an influence in this event ?
I also have another question for which I will open a new topic.

Blackdragon666 [JGsaid:
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In addition, the ruler of a house being in a sign can have a similar effect to having the sign on the house. I've seen this many times.

Thanks for this enlightening article.
What about intercepted sings ? I mean for example a house ruled by Gemini, containing the whole Cancer, where the following house is then ruled by Leo. Would Cancer have an influence in this event ?
I also have another question for which I will open a new topic.

Feb 18, 2022#8

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Pillarsaid:
Blackdragon666 [JGsaid:
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In addition, the ruler of a house being in a sign can have a similar effect to having the sign on the house. I've seen this many times.
Thanks for this enlightening article.
What about intercepted sings ? I mean for example a house ruled by Gemini, containing the whole Cancer, where the following house is then ruled by Leo. Would Cancer have an influence in this event ?
I also have another question for which I will open a new topic.

My personal observation on intercepted signs is that energies can experience in a sense a blend of the two energies, with the closest one always having an upper hand. There is rarely a mix between these influences in a total way or 50/50.

BlackDragon might have something else to point you out to, but bear in mind the above in more factual in natal charts. In predictive, generally, it will affect the dominant house or when the house is into. It would be almost totally affected by Gemini in predictive astrology.

Pillarsaid:
Blackdragon666 [JGsaid:
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In addition, the ruler of a house being in a sign can have a similar effect to having the sign on the house. I've seen this many times.
Thanks for this enlightening article.
What about intercepted sings ? I mean for example a house ruled by Gemini, containing the whole Cancer, where the following house is then ruled by Leo. Would Cancer have an influence in this event ?
I also have another question for which I will open a new topic.

My personal observation on intercepted signs is that energies can experience in a sense a blend of the two energies, with the closest one always having an upper hand. There is rarely a mix between these influences in a total way or 50/50.

BlackDragon might have something else to point you out to, but bear in mind the above in more factual in natal charts. In predictive, generally, it will affect the dominant house or when the house is into. It would be almost totally affected by Gemini in predictive astrology.

Feb 18, 2022#9

Great post.
My moon is in Capricorn, my Neptune is in Capricorn, and my 10th house has Capricorn. I find that I can sometimes be crushed with pessimism but other times I feel structured, organized, and secured. I take my job extremely seriously even though I have not considered it a career yet.

Feb 18, 2022#10

HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Pillarsaid:
Blackdragon666 [JGsaid:
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In addition, the ruler of a house being in a sign can have a similar effect to having the sign on the house. I've seen this many times.
Thanks for this enlightening article.
What about intercepted sings ? I mean for example a house ruled by Gemini, containing the whole Cancer, where the following house is then ruled by Leo. Would Cancer have an influence in this event ?
I also have another question for which I will open a new topic.
My personal observation on intercepted signs is that energies can experience in a sense a blend of the two energies, with the closest one always having an upper hand. There is rarely a mix between these influences in a total way or 50/50.
BlackDragon might have something else to point you out to, but bear in mind the above in more factual in natal charts. In predictive, generally, it will affect the dominant house or when the house is into. It would be almost totally affected by Gemini in predictive astrology.

I totally agree with this. Since intercepted signs are weaker, the intercepted sign will often be the weaker one with the one on the cusp being stronger. To Pillar, as has been said, the answer is yes. This is why when determining chart rulers, even signs intercepted in the first house are considered (the planets that rule them are secondary chart rulers). Because they also affect the house in question, in this case the first house. You can see how detailed Astrology can be and why cheap Astrologers and their generic readings can be a nuisance to anyone with some real knowledge in Astrology.

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Bright Truthsaid:

You're welcome Brothers and Sisters :)

Since the signs on the houses are suggestive and often can mean different things for different people, this can be a good exercise for developing your intuition. Part of reading charts is a good intuition. Start with your own chart, go house by house and see how the affairs of the sign on the cusp and any intercepted sign relate with that house. Do the same with charts of loved ones, famous people and any other charts you can get. Then you can share what you learn on the forums, in addition to developing your intuitive faculties.

HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Pillarsaid:
Blackdragon666 [JGsaid:
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In addition, the ruler of a house being in a sign can have a similar effect to having the sign on the house. I've seen this many times.
Thanks for this enlightening article.
What about intercepted sings ? I mean for example a house ruled by Gemini, containing the whole Cancer, where the following house is then ruled by Leo. Would Cancer have an influence in this event ?
I also have another question for which I will open a new topic.
My personal observation on intercepted signs is that energies can experience in a sense a blend of the two energies, with the closest one always having an upper hand. There is rarely a mix between these influences in a total way or 50/50.
BlackDragon might have something else to point you out to, but bear in mind the above in more factual in natal charts. In predictive, generally, it will affect the dominant house or when the house is into. It would be almost totally affected by Gemini in predictive astrology.

I totally agree with this. Since intercepted signs are weaker, the intercepted sign will often be the weaker one with the one on the cusp being stronger. To Pillar, as has been said, the answer is yes. This is why when determining chart rulers, even signs intercepted in the first house are considered (the planets that rule them are secondary chart rulers). Because they also affect the house in question, in this case the first house. You can see how detailed Astrology can be and why cheap Astrologers and their generic readings can be a nuisance to anyone with some real knowledge in Astrology.

BlackOnyx8said:

Przebiśniegsaid:

Shadowcatsaid:

Bright Truthsaid:

You're welcome Brothers and Sisters :)

Since the signs on the houses are suggestive and often can mean different things for different people, this can be a good exercise for developing your intuition. Part of reading charts is a good intuition. Start with your own chart, go house by house and see how the affairs of the sign on the cusp and any intercepted sign relate with that house. Do the same with charts of loved ones, famous people and any other charts you can get. Then you can share what you learn on the forums, in addition to developing your intuitive faculties.

Feb 18, 2022#11

HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Blackdragon666 [JGsaid:
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I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).
...
Capricorn [hard work borne out of labor] is definitely a good indicator for success. But, one might not be successful, or might not sit on a legacy [Capricorn also rules given legacy]. It can also be of merely hard work, but success will be illustrated in a chart. Completely agree as suggestive and not "conclusive". Energies oftentimes are not set in stone. That's when the agility of an astrologer comes in, to understand what is going on.
Excellent post.

Thank you for your addition. :D

Lydia [JGsaid:
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I always included signs on houses in my natal chart readings.
As for the Capricorn on 4th house discussion, the 4th also rules the elder years. People with Capricorn on the cusp usually become more serious and responsible as they age, and take on a managerial role in their household/family.

This is nice. I've noticed that the house with Capricorn will at times have something to do with old age or the elderly. Like Capricorn on the 11th house and attracting older/mature friends.

HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Blackdragon666 [JGsaid:
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I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).
...
Capricorn [hard work borne out of labor] is definitely a good indicator for success. But, one might not be successful, or might not sit on a legacy [Capricorn also rules given legacy]. It can also be of merely hard work, but success will be illustrated in a chart. Completely agree as suggestive and not "conclusive". Energies oftentimes are not set in stone. That's when the agility of an astrologer comes in, to understand what is going on.
Excellent post.

Thank you for your addition. :D

Lydia [JGsaid:
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I always included signs on houses in my natal chart readings.
As for the Capricorn on 4th house discussion, the 4th also rules the elder years. People with Capricorn on the cusp usually become more serious and responsible as they age, and take on a managerial role in their household/family.

This is nice. I've noticed that the house with Capricorn will at times have something to do with old age or the elderly. Like Capricorn on the 11th house and attracting older/mature friends.

Feb 18, 2022#12

Blackdragon666 [JGsaid:
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HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Blackdragon666 [JGsaid:
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I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).
...
Capricorn [hard work borne out of labor] is definitely a good indicator for success. But, one might not be successful, or might not sit on a legacy [Capricorn also rules given legacy]. It can also be of merely hard work, but success will be illustrated in a chart. Completely agree as suggestive and not "conclusive". Energies oftentimes are not set in stone. That's when the agility of an astrologer comes in, to understand what is going on.
Excellent post.
Thank you for your addition. :D

Could Aquarius in the 4th house suggest childhood being associated with technology, like say, children growing up to console games, watching sci-fi shows or things like Marvel superhero movies, or just interested in things of that nature?

Blackdragon666 [JGsaid:
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HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Blackdragon666 [JGsaid:
" post_id=325981 time=1645189640 user_id=19170]
...
I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).
...
Capricorn [hard work borne out of labor] is definitely a good indicator for success. But, one might not be successful, or might not sit on a legacy [Capricorn also rules given legacy]. It can also be of merely hard work, but success will be illustrated in a chart. Completely agree as suggestive and not "conclusive". Energies oftentimes are not set in stone. That's when the agility of an astrologer comes in, to understand what is going on.
Excellent post.
Thank you for your addition. :D

Could Aquarius in the 4th house suggest childhood being associated with technology, like say, children growing up to console games, watching sci-fi shows or things like Marvel superhero movies, or just interested in things of that nature?

Feb 18, 2022#13

Very true. This aligns with the Ascendant and the plan of the Houses in general.

Classical astrologers noted for example that while Scorpio Ascendant people tended to have more deprived beginnings, they tended to have powerful benefactors who took pity on them, found them attractive, supported them or otherwise, since Leo is usually on the cusp of the 10th House (Midheaven) for such people, and Virgo is usually on the 11th which is an additional help.

The signs of the angles - obviously the Ascendant, but also the Imum Coeli (4th), Descendant (7th), Midheaven (10th) - are very important for understanding the 'plan' or 'tone' of someone's life. Any planets within orb of the angle itself are also very magnified in their effect. That's another reason why the right birth time is very important.

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Very true. This aligns with the Ascendant and the plan of the Houses in general.

Classical astrologers noted for example that while Scorpio Ascendant people tended to have more deprived beginnings, they tended to have powerful benefactors who took pity on them, found them attractive, supported them or otherwise, since Leo is usually on the cusp of the 10th House (Midheaven) for such people, and Virgo is usually on the 11th which is an additional help.

The signs of the angles - obviously the Ascendant, but also the Imum Coeli (4th), Descendant (7th), Midheaven (10th) - are very important for understanding the 'plan' or 'tone' of someone's life. Any planets within orb of the angle itself are also very magnified in their effect. That's another reason why the right birth time is very important.

Feb 18, 2022#14

Blackdragon666 [JGsaid:
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This is why when determining chart rulers, even signs intercepted in the first house are considered (the planets that rule them are secondary chart rulers).

The planet that rules the intercepted sign in the first house is a co-ruler? Even if the planet isn't posited in the 1st?

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Feb 19, 2022#15

Thank you sir, your posts are always very interesting and insightful.

Feb 19, 2022#16

I wish you were my Maths teacher, you make things simples.....great post brother

Feb 19, 2022#17

Aquarius can have many of the same problems Capricorn can especially if it's on the ascendant or 4th house. The person feels the mother is cold may have had a difficult childhood. May have had to grow up too fast. Saturn is the co ruler here and for a few years back and forth Saturn was actually conjunct Uranus too I think it was around 1986 to 1990 it went together in orb sometimes one in Sagittarius the other Capricorn I would have to look this up.
All of the Aquarius ascendant people I have seen have this in orb so no gaurentee it's everyone but I wanted to put this out here. But this theme is very prevalent with this ascendant too.

I never seen anyone with Aquarius 4th house but I am assuming it's similar to Capricorn there often (damn there were a lot of people that chose Aquarius ascendant this lifetime have looked at charts of most people i meet pretty common and hard childhood or feeling restricted in childhood is often a theme)

Aquarius can have many of the same problems Capricorn can especially if it's on the ascendant or 4th house. The person feels the mother is cold may have had a difficult childhood. May have had to grow up too fast. Saturn is the co ruler here and for a few years back and forth Saturn was actually conjunct Uranus too I think it was around 1986 to 1990 it went together in orb sometimes one in Sagittarius the other Capricorn I would have to look this up.
All of the Aquarius ascendant people I have seen have this in orb so no gaurentee it's everyone but I wanted to put this out here. But this theme is very prevalent with this ascendant too.

I never seen anyone with Aquarius 4th house but I am assuming it's similar to Capricorn there often (damn there were a lot of people that chose Aquarius ascendant this lifetime have looked at charts of most people i meet pretty common and hard childhood or feeling restricted in childhood is often a theme)

Feb 19, 2022#18

slyscorpionsaid:
Aquarius can have many of the same problems Capricorn can especially if it's on the ascendant or 4th house. The person feels the mother is cold may have had a difficult childhood. May have had to grow up too fast. Saturn is the co ruler here and for a few years back and forth Saturn was actually conjunct Uranus too I think it was around 1986 to 1990 it went together in orb sometimes one in Sagittarius the other Capricorn I would have to look this up.
All of the Aquarius ascendant people I have seen have this in orb so no gaurentee it's everyone but I wanted to put this out here. But this theme is very prevalent with this ascendant too.
I never seen anyone with Aquarius 4th house but I am assuming it's similar to Capricorn there often (damn there were a lot of people that chose Aquarius ascendant this lifetime have looked at charts of most people i meet pretty common and hard childhood or feeling restricted in childhood is often a theme)

In fact some of them have Saturn Uranus and Neptune together there even more interesting.
I believe the year 1988 mostly.

slyscorpionsaid:
Aquarius can have many of the same problems Capricorn can especially if it's on the ascendant or 4th house. The person feels the mother is cold may have had a difficult childhood. May have had to grow up too fast. Saturn is the co ruler here and for a few years back and forth Saturn was actually conjunct Uranus too I think it was around 1986 to 1990 it went together in orb sometimes one in Sagittarius the other Capricorn I would have to look this up.
All of the Aquarius ascendant people I have seen have this in orb so no gaurentee it's everyone but I wanted to put this out here. But this theme is very prevalent with this ascendant too.
I never seen anyone with Aquarius 4th house but I am assuming it's similar to Capricorn there often (damn there were a lot of people that chose Aquarius ascendant this lifetime have looked at charts of most people i meet pretty common and hard childhood or feeling restricted in childhood is often a theme)

In fact some of them have Saturn Uranus and Neptune together there even more interesting.
I believe the year 1988 mostly.

Feb 19, 2022#19

Blackdragon666 [JGsaid:
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The planets are the main thing in a chart. Their sign placement, house placement and aspects are primary. However, if you want a deeper level of understanding a chart, you should consider the signs on the houses.
I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).
If you take Virgo, this sign rules work. I've seen Virgo on the 8th house in the charts of porn stars; Virgo rules work and this is the house of sex. There were other supporting factors too. Another person I know has Virgo on the 4th house. This person has no Virgo placements, but they are usually much concerned about keeping their house squeaky clean. They even clean the door hinges. Virgo rules cleanliness and tidyness and the 4th house is of the home. Something interesting I noted when reading Lydia's work on Marie Curie is that she had Virgo on her 8th house of death, suggesting that work would be related to her death which was the case.

I just watched a friend of mine go from nothing to millionaire over night with Saturn retrograde directly on the MC. It was well deserved just due to who he is and he’s pretty intelligent. He committed to doing a small project daily and got in on something at the right time. His girlfriend told me that he had spoken about kundalini before and that some years ago he had an experience with it where it jolted up his spine and he didn’t know what was happening.

Blackdragon666 [JGsaid:
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The planets are the main thing in a chart. Their sign placement, house placement and aspects are primary. However, if you want a deeper level of understanding a chart, you should consider the signs on the houses.
I usually take the signs as suggestive, more than conclusive. If someone has Capricorn on the 4th house, this suggests a difficult childhood, early responsibilities and so on. But you have to look at the planets first and see if they support this. I've actually seen this placement in the chart of a friend who comes from an extremely wealthy background (millionaire family) as the planets showed otherwise. But the mother was cruel (Capricorn on the house of the mother).
If you take Virgo, this sign rules work. I've seen Virgo on the 8th house in the charts of porn stars; Virgo rules work and this is the house of sex. There were other supporting factors too. Another person I know has Virgo on the 4th house. This person has no Virgo placements, but they are usually much concerned about keeping their house squeaky clean. They even clean the door hinges. Virgo rules cleanliness and tidyness and the 4th house is of the home. Something interesting I noted when reading Lydia's work on Marie Curie is that she had Virgo on her 8th house of death, suggesting that work would be related to her death which was the case.

I just watched a friend of mine go from nothing to millionaire over night with Saturn retrograde directly on the MC. It was well deserved just due to who he is and he’s pretty intelligent. He committed to doing a small project daily and got in on something at the right time. His girlfriend told me that he had spoken about kundalini before and that some years ago he had an experience with it where it jolted up his spine and he didn’t know what was happening.