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TJ 6661 min to read
Primalsaid:

Look...

When we jog and get that endorphin/dopamine high, we feel good. So obviously, physical movement has a direct influence on our minds. Doing yoga has positive effects on the mind.

If the above are true, which they are and all of you agree to it... Why don't all of you take up bodybuilding/weightlifting as a valid way of advancing the soul and the mind? Seriously.

Agreed! A strong Body is like a temple to a strong Mind. :mrgreen:

#20
Braverasaid:

Arnold Classics, Seeing them Big Oily Muscular Men, I want to bring entire Crowds to Awe. I know this can only be achieved with Bodybuilding and Diet.

They were all on steroids.

I am reaching towards a green apple.

#21
NinRicksaid:
jrvansaid:

In my opinion, the best type of exercise someone can do is something they actually enjoy doing. If it feels like a chore or a monotonous routine then that's wrong in my eyes. Where is the life in that? Kids have fun while exercising, so why don't adults? Your body can get fit and train all of its muscles through use in many different disciplines. If someone has fun while dancing then they should get their exercise through dancing, if someone likes swimming, martial arts, a combination of things, etc... then they should work out primarily doing these things they enjoy. If training with weights a few times a week helps them improve and go even further in these disciplines they enjoy then all the better to invest some time towards it.

I realized this recently while running. I was only looking towards the finish line that I marked for myself. I didn't even think to take it all in and try to have fun while running like I did when I was a kid. Now I'm trying to get back to that, and it's surprisingly really difficult. After this experience, it just doesn't make sense to me anymore why exercising shouldn't be fun. It shouldn't be a robotic chore, and it's really begun to feel wrong that it is. That's how I feel about it.

Doing what you love will also craft your body in that style, like how they say someone has a "swimmer's body" and stuff like that. And speaking of physique, past a certain point, having that much muscle to maintain sounds like a pain to me. Bigger definitely isn't always better, and it's certainly not functional the way most people do bodybuilding. On a personal level, bodybuilding is not aligned with my goals. I don't train for my appearance, never have.

I disagree with the part that it has to be fun and enjoyable.
There are days and phases where we don’t want to work out, but you still need to do it. You don’t do it because of how much fun this is, no. This is hard work and has something to do with discipline and becoming the Person you want to become.
It’s not a robotic chore, you are forging your own mind and steeling your will.
Same goes with meditations and studying.
You don’t study because it is fun, you don’t learn coding because it is fun, you don’t become an engineer because it is fun. You are working hard so you become the person you want to become.

Aside from mandatory school have you *ever* done anything 'just because'? Because that is what jrvn is talking about.

Working out in the gym is the most tedious and boring thing to do for me.
I have and get 0 motivation from the idea or even doing so.

Its has been said before. As a Zevist you don't have to go to the gym lift weights etc, but excerise in a way that suits you. Aka something that is at least somewhat fun for you to do. Because thats easiest to keep up and to have motivation for.

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#22

Being large or bulked up with weights are the not all in all criteria here OP. Many of us have outside activities like going to a gym or a park. For instance I take the process that Thoth taught me a long time ago. He said master the body before moving to weights, when that is achieved use weights as a addition but not to be bulk up. So you promote in a way bodybuilding. Cool, but there is no reason to indirectly insult everyone that spiritually advances by indicating we are not aware of bodybuilding or weight training.

We are very much aware, some may do it, but that is private. You have an idea that we must lift weights or it should be promoted as the criteria. That is specific enforcement. We don’t enforce anyone. We can advise but that is still up to the individual.

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#23

I want to add something to this about physique, and this will mostly apply to women. YOU CAN get rid of that extra weight on your butt and legs AND your cellulite. It is not a fat problem but a collagen problem. The only way to get rid of its appearance? Build muscle to push out the dimples and enhance tone. Program your body to run on fat instead of carbohydrates and get rid of sugar and junk food. Here is a post I found from a woman in AUS who got a bang-up body and swore by HIIT workouts and squats around the house. Granted she takes in a lot of carbs, but the fuel content needed for one's body to achieve the same results is dependent on the person. I personally prefer mostly keto. I also take collagen in my coffee every day which helps with cellulite over time and the joints. I have had some significant improvement so far.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9194995/Mum-two-36-reveals-four-simple-ways-toned-bum-got-rid-cellulite.html

put in the effort and go from a 5-6 to an 8-8.5 at least ;)

#24
Shadowcatsaid:

I want to add something to this about physique, and this will mostly apply to women. YOU CAN get rid of that extra weight on your butt and legs AND your cellulite. It is not a fat problem but a collagen problem. The only way to get rid of its appearance? Build muscle to push out the dimples and enhance tone. Program your body to run on fat instead of carbohydrates and get rid of sugar and junk food. Here is a post I found from a woman in AUS who got a bang-up body and swore by HIIT workouts and squats around the house. Granted she takes in a lot of carbs, but the fuel content needed for one's body to achieve the same results is dependent on the person. I personally prefer mostly keto. I also take collagen in my coffee every day which helps with cellulite over time and the joints. I have had some significant improvement so far.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9194995/Mum-two-36-reveals-four-simple-ways-toned-bum-got-rid-cellulite.html

put in the effort and go from a 5-6 to an 8-8.5 at least ;)

The last picture with the red bra is photoshopped. Her hips are way smaller there than in the picture of the left of it and I am pretty sure we can all agree that bones don't just change shape.

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#25
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Lunar Dance 666said:

Working out in the gym is the most tedious and boring thing to do for me.
I have and get 0 motivation from the idea or even doing so.

And that is completely fine and normal.

Working out in a gym is unnatural. There are other more primitive ways to exercise.

Funny that a guy named “primal” is here promoting man-made garbage techniques such as going to gym and lifting a metal bar up and down which is something that no ancient or “primal” human has ever done :lol:

#26
Jackie Puppetsaid:
Lunar Dance 666said:

Working out in the gym is the most tedious and boring thing to do for me.
I have and get 0 motivation from the idea or even doing so.

And that is completely fine and normal.

Working out in a gym is unnatural. There are other more primitive ways to exercise.

You can remain silent as you are being a troll. His feelings on working out are admirable, however he needs to understand that there are fundamentals that require spiritual influence. Primitive? There is nothing wrong with lifting weights, but to place it as the only criteria is nonsensical.

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#27
Lunar Dance 666said:
Shadowcatsaid:

I want to add something to this about physique, and this will mostly apply to women. YOU CAN get rid of that extra weight on your butt and legs AND your cellulite. It is not a fat problem but a collagen problem. The only way to get rid of its appearance? Build muscle to push out the dimples and enhance tone. Program your body to run on fat instead of carbohydrates and get rid of sugar and junk food. Here is a post I found from a woman in AUS who got a bang-up body and swore by HIIT workouts and squats around the house. Granted she takes in a lot of carbs, but the fuel content needed for one's body to achieve the same results is dependent on the person. I personally prefer mostly keto. I also take collagen in my coffee every day which helps with cellulite over time and the joints. I have had some significant improvement so far.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9194995/Mum-two-36-reveals-four-simple-ways-toned-bum-got-rid-cellulite.html

put in the effort and go from a 5-6 to an 8-8.5 at least ;)

The last picture with the red bra is photoshopped. Her hips are way smaller there than in the picture of the left of it and I am pretty sure we can all agree that bones don't just change shape.

That's not Photoshop those pictures are side by side to show before and after for comparison....her hips got smaller because that's literally how fat she was.

#28
Lunar Dance 666said:
NinRicksaid:
jrvansaid:

In my opinion, the best type of exercise someone can do is something they actually enjoy doing. If it feels like a chore or a monotonous routine then that's wrong in my eyes. Where is the life in that? Kids have fun while exercising, so why don't adults? Your body can get fit and train all of its muscles through use in many different disciplines. If someone has fun while dancing then they should get their exercise through dancing, if someone likes swimming, martial arts, a combination of things, etc... then they should work out primarily doing these things they enjoy. If training with weights a few times a week helps them improve and go even further in these disciplines they enjoy then all the better to invest some time towards it.

I realized this recently while running. I was only looking towards the finish line that I marked for myself. I didn't even think to take it all in and try to have fun while running like I did when I was a kid. Now I'm trying to get back to that, and it's surprisingly really difficult. After this experience, it just doesn't make sense to me anymore why exercising shouldn't be fun. It shouldn't be a robotic chore, and it's really begun to feel wrong that it is. That's how I feel about it.

Doing what you love will also craft your body in that style, like how they say someone has a "swimmer's body" and stuff like that. And speaking of physique, past a certain point, having that much muscle to maintain sounds like a pain to me. Bigger definitely isn't always better, and it's certainly not functional the way most people do bodybuilding. On a personal level, bodybuilding is not aligned with my goals. I don't train for my appearance, never have.

I disagree with the part that it has to be fun and enjoyable.
There are days and phases where we don’t want to work out, but you still need to do it. You don’t do it because of how much fun this is, no. This is hard work and has something to do with discipline and becoming the Person you want to become.
It’s not a robotic chore, you are forging your own mind and steeling your will.
Same goes with meditations and studying.
You don’t study because it is fun, you don’t learn coding because it is fun, you don’t become an engineer because it is fun. You are working hard so you become the person you want to become.

Aside from mandatory school have you *ever* done anything 'just because'? Because that is what jrvn is talking about.

Working out in the gym is the most tedious and boring thing to do for me.
I have and get 0 motivation from the idea or even doing so.

There are times when I feel that the gym gets monotonous and I would like to do different things, but right now it's the only thing I have to keep myself in shape.
For example, I really miss being more in touch with nature and feeling more grounded.

#29
NinRicksaid:
jrvansaid:

In my opinion, the best type of exercise someone can do is something they actually enjoy doing. If it feels like a chore or a monotonous routine then that's wrong in my eyes. Where is the life in that? Kids have fun while exercising, so why don't adults? Your body can get fit and train all of its muscles through use in many different disciplines. If someone has fun while dancing then they should get their exercise through dancing, if someone likes swimming, martial arts, a combination of things, etc... then they should work out primarily doing these things they enjoy. If training with weights a few times a week helps them improve and go even further in these disciplines they enjoy then all the better to invest some time towards it.

I realized this recently while running. I was only looking towards the finish line that I marked for myself. I didn't even think to take it all in and try to have fun while running like I did when I was a kid. Now I'm trying to get back to that, and it's surprisingly really difficult. After this experience, it just doesn't make sense to me anymore why exercising shouldn't be fun. It shouldn't be a robotic chore, and it's really begun to feel wrong that it is. That's how I feel about it.

Doing what you love will also craft your body in that style, like how they say someone has a "swimmer's body" and stuff like that. And speaking of physique, past a certain point, having that much muscle to maintain sounds like a pain to me. Bigger definitely isn't always better, and it's certainly not functional the way most people do bodybuilding. On a personal level, bodybuilding is not aligned with my goals. I don't train for my appearance, never have.

I disagree with the part that it has to be fun and enjoyable.
There are days and phases where we don’t want to work out, but you still need to do it. You don’t do it because of how much fun this is, no. This is hard work and has something to do with discipline and becoming the Person you want to become.
It’s not a robotic chore, you are forging your own mind and steeling your will.
Same goes with meditations and studying.
You don’t study because it is fun, you don’t learn coding because it is fun, you don’t become an engineer because it is fun. You are working hard so you become the person you want to become.

Hey Ninrick it said you quoted me but I dont see what you said?

Temporarily inactive.

#30
#31

Not everyone needs to look like a bodybuilder, it is more important that each individual follows their own path up the mountain.

I guarantee you that no matter how great you are weightlifting there are certain disciplines that would make you cry physically. Take the Shaolin Monks for example, none have the body of weightlifter, but all have stupendous calisthenic austerity. Another example are ballerinas, they train their whole lives to achieve that grace, and their training routine is unfathomable to most people.

Likewise, these people probably cannot deadlift as much as you, to each their own.

I have read that you lack time, I bet if you cut your bb routine in half and replaced it with Satanic meditation you would be much farther ahead in advancement over time.

Anyways, just my thoughts.

#32
Lunar Dance 666said:
NinRicksaid:
jrvansaid:

In my opinion, the best type of exercise someone can do is something they actually enjoy doing. If it feels like a chore or a monotonous routine then that's wrong in my eyes. Where is the life in that? Kids have fun while exercising, so why don't adults? Your body can get fit and train all of its muscles through use in many different disciplines. If someone has fun while dancing then they should get their exercise through dancing, if someone likes swimming, martial arts, a combination of things, etc... then they should work out primarily doing these things they enjoy. If training with weights a few times a week helps them improve and go even further in these disciplines they enjoy then all the better to invest some time towards it.

I realized this recently while running. I was only looking towards the finish line that I marked for myself. I didn't even think to take it all in and try to have fun while running like I did when I was a kid. Now I'm trying to get back to that, and it's surprisingly really difficult. After this experience, it just doesn't make sense to me anymore why exercising shouldn't be fun. It shouldn't be a robotic chore, and it's really begun to feel wrong that it is. That's how I feel about it.

Doing what you love will also craft your body in that style, like how they say someone has a "swimmer's body" and stuff like that. And speaking of physique, past a certain point, having that much muscle to maintain sounds like a pain to me. Bigger definitely isn't always better, and it's certainly not functional the way most people do bodybuilding. On a personal level, bodybuilding is not aligned with my goals. I don't train for my appearance, never have.

I disagree with the part that it has to be fun and enjoyable.
There are days and phases where we don’t want to work out, but you still need to do it. You don’t do it because of how much fun this is, no. This is hard work and has something to do with discipline and becoming the Person you want to become.
It’s not a robotic chore, you are forging your own mind and steeling your will.
Same goes with meditations and studying.
You don’t study because it is fun, you don’t learn coding because it is fun, you don’t become an engineer because it is fun. You are working hard so you become the person you want to become.

Hey Ninrick it said you quoted me but I dont see what you said?

Because I deleted my reply.

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#33
jrvansaid:

I don't know about breathing in carbon dioxide... that sounds really dangerous. What about the teachings of photosynthesis and the symbiotic relationship between plants and beasts? Plants are meant to absorb CO2 while providing O2 to beasts which produce CO2.

Buteyko breathing is about raising endogenous CO2, not breathing it in from anywhere else.
You do this through breathing exercises that raise air hunger in varying degrees.

The gentlest way to do it is to just pause at the end of your exhales for as long as you comfortably can. Keep breathing like that and your CO2 levels will rise gently without any air hunger. It's a very good pranayam to go deep in void meditation.

Ol argedco luciftiassaid:

Of course CO2 and O2 are directly correlated. Because CO2 is created from O2. More oxygen in the blood, when it degrades in the body it becomes CO2.

You can reduce a person's blood CO2 concentration to zero by having them breathe something like pure nitrogen with no oxygen. But then blood oxygen is also zero so this experiment would not be good to do. Another interesting thing is that the extremely physically and mentally painful feeling of suffocation would never happen. This feeling is caused by too much CO2 in the blood, so it does not exist when there is no CO2. Instead there would only be the feeling of very high nitrogen in the blood, which is like a mix of very strong drunkness and tiredness. It becomes very difficult to think about anything or comeplete even a simple action, there is very strong confusion. But there is also strong calmness and tiredness.

The effects of large amounts of nitrogen are very often felt by scuba divers who use some special equipment. Like the ones who go very deep. They breathe a mix of oxygen, nitrogen, and sometimes also helium, so they end up with a lot of nitrogen dissolving into the blood.

Like I said it's hard to convince people. I found out about it when I kept getting sluggish and having a stuffy nose after eating,
I found a youtube video from the Russian guy who runs normalbreathing.com that said to pinch your nose and turn your head back and forth until you have strong air hunger, then breathe in gently through your nose.
And what do you know, it worked? Mental clarity and open sinuses back in an instant.

I can't argue the science of it but I'm beyond convinced of the method after having practiced it personally.

#34

Weightlifting does not necessarily have to be bodybuilding, with the goal of looking like a muscular monster.
The best thing with it is the health benefits of using and activating muscles that needs to be activated and trained.

Since many people today work with computers in offices and are traveling by train, cars etc. a good way of compensating for the lack of muscular activity is weightlifting. Can be boring yes but still necessary for health.

Yoga and running are also good for muscles, but to add in some weightlifting to that is not exactly wrong or bad for advancement. Especially for someone who don't lift heavy things normally, and for men in general whose testosterone levels have gone down historically since we don't lift/move around as much as we once naturally did.

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