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About Your First Saturn Return [Updated - How To Manage This And The Good News]

AvatarHigh Priest Zevios Metathronos1 min to read
#1

The negativity can be greatly dampened with putting eggs in the basket of the 8 fold path and being serious with it. This transit is not the worst thing I've expierenced so far, quite the opposite actually since I am "forced" to put my life on a track where it should be rather than where I "want" it to be. "Want" as the old self is slowly ceasing to be as the new me emerges. This is lots of hard work, but it pays off in ways I can not even think yet. I just know that when things have settled I have much more to offer for the communities that I am part of.

This is some of what I have gathered so far.

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#62
The cold onesaid:

I pray to Father Satan that mine is close to an end, as I just turned 31 and in the past 2 years:

My youngest son died due to Retts Disorder, I was diagnosed with a terminal illness that gives me ten years left (maybe, anything beyond that is hopeful), and I am learning that everything and everyone I built my entire life upon for the past three decades: has been for not.

The only thing I have left is Father Satan and the Pantheon. Especially since on here all you get is "trust in Father Satan" (like, the fuck? Duh!) or other more narcissistic and misinformed answers from individuals who believe they have the authority to try and take my pen to write my story for me by dictating and or demanding that I follow their path in life instead of my own.

I cannot begin to imagine your predicament. As such I cannot presume to give any advice here, but just to say if you feel like you need to vent here or talk to anyone you can. I do not know your illness but I would be hopeful for you that your life may lengthen, but also hopefully even with quality if possible, for however long that may be. I do know that Satan protects dedicated souls of Zevism when they pass from this world, and their loved ones, until they are to be reincarnated.

#63
The cold onesaid:

I was diagnosed with a terminal illness that gives me ten years left (maybe, anything beyond that is hopeful), and I am learning that everything and everyone I built my entire life upon for the past three decades: has been for not.

I don't know your illness, but I do know that western medicine has a habit of labeling everything as chronic or otherwise untreatable. You should look at holistic treatments, as well as spiritual options for this, which often have a much better success rate when dealing with "chronic" problems.

If this illness appeared as a result of influence from Saturn, then it may also start to regress once Saturn's negativity leaves you.

Good luck with everything.

#64
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

That is terrible. Don't think that most people would give you a negative reply. Feel free to send me an e-mail if you need help or if you consider I can provide any help that is substantial.

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I would love to open up a dialogue with you, only I cannot seem to figure out how. You said email, but we all know better than to just link that shit here. So, I am at a loss.

#65

How dou you know when your Saturn return comes? Is there a way to find out when your Saturn return exactly comes?

I find the great thing in this world is not so much where we stand, as in what direction we are moving.

#66

What if someone has a protection aspect or house in his/her natal chart?

#67
tyrantmagesaid:

How dou you know when your Saturn return comes? Is there a way to find out when your Saturn return exactly comes?

- / + 7 degress of your natal Saturn.

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#68

1)Maharana who fought for the dharm against islamic invaders . Link : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vaKLL84SLzYmNlFObI2LbBPXcq3PbuBl/view?usp=drivesdk
2)List of Koenraad Elst books . Link : https://1lib.in/g/Koenraad%20Elst

#69

What if your natal Saturn was retrograde? Does Saturn return deal more damage to you? Or is it friendly?

I find the great thing in this world is not so much where we stand, as in what direction we are moving.

#70
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

It will help tremendously, but it will not negate the, let's say, "disciplinary" aspect of Saturn. You will experience way less negativity especially compared to what certain people might. The AOP is helpful against ALL negative forces, including what could be considered negative from this transit.

Thank the Gods I've experienced the Return as a Zevist. For the past months/year I've been dedicating more to yoga and cleaning than previous years, using the Saturnine cleaning multiples of 6, and the Solar 111. The posts by HPS Shannon clicked to me on that, and further emphasized by Lydia. Some time ago before all that, because my unconfortable situation I never kept consistent yoga and it got me thinking "I need to buy a yoga mat", and one day out of the blue I was gifted some gym mats and that settled it for me, I didn't have to spend any money.

I've been having this strange feeling of not noticing the passage of time, like there is something wrong with me - as if I was supposed to feel that decades ago was a very long time, and that "I am too late", but I'm feeling like time is simultaneous, or decades are the same as just few days in between, and that disturbed me a little bit (for eg., as if I'm having a Jupiter-related delusion of relaxation or something).

I was on edge all the time like I was about to beat the shit out of someone but then Marcus Aurelius' words would advise me against that, "be patient with the idiots". But during this time I've also shown more hard work and for that I've gotten the favor of my superiors who requested a raise for me (that's still to be realized, but at least they recognized it which is nice). Other than being in a foul mood and having to work twice as hard, nothing really bad happened.

#71
Catalincata94said:

What if someone has a protection aspect or house in his/her natal chart?

This can reduce the effect of this considerably, but still, this will not make anyone immune to this.

tyrantmagesaid:

How dou you know when your Saturn return comes? Is there a way to find out when your Saturn return exactly comes?

Yes, when your Saturn in Transit approaches your Natal Saturn, this is where it starts happening. Effects can start even as further as 7 degrees from it.

tyrantmagesaid:

What if your natal Saturn was retrograde? Does Saturn return deal more damage to you? Or is it friendly?

No, this does not make anything more or less in regards to that.

Egonsaid:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

It will help tremendously, but it will not negate the, let's say, "disciplinary" aspect of Saturn. You will experience way less negativity especially compared to what certain people might. The AOP is helpful against ALL negative forces, including what could be considered negative from this transit.

Thank the Gods I've experienced the Return as a Zevist. For the past months/year I've been dedicating more to yoga and cleaning than previous years, using the Saturnine cleaning multiples of 6, and the Solar 111.
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I was on edge all the time like I was about to beat the shit out of someone but then Marcus Aurelius' words would advise me against that, "be patient with the idiots". But during this time I've also shown more hard work and for that I've gotten the favor of my superiors who requested a raise for me (that's still to be realized, but at least they recognized it which is nice). Other than being in a foul mood and having to work twice as hard, nothing really bad happened.

I am VERY happy for you, congratulations, you seem to have managed this very well indeed. You have handled this well both behaviorally and spiritually, and it appears even previous work has helped you considerably in both ways. Good work.

#72

In all these years I had not done any specific work to obliterate my Saturn and 8 months ago it occurred to me to do it with a general work to obliterate all the negative aspects at the same time, since then things have been getting worse: I have problems to keep my daily schedule and I feel as if everything were obstacles and impediments in my life, when Saturn went retrograde in early June, the thing got even worse.

#73
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Catalincata94said:

What if someone has a protection aspect or house in his/her natal chart?

This can reduce the effect of this considerably, but still, this will not make anyone immune to this.

tyrantmagesaid:

How dou you know when your Saturn return comes? Is there a way to find out when your Saturn return exactly comes?

Ok, thank you!

#74

Mine sucked the rooster however I think I blazed a trail for the next batch to go through a corridor if you will

#75
Artoria Pendragonsaid:

Hi Edward,

Please when you find the time can you comment more on the Tibetan book of the dead. How do the beings that come in the bardo state relate to the Satanic gods do you think?

Do any of the early / authentic Buddhist practices relate to the Satanic ones. I remember they have some thorough practices for dream yoga.

As it is said in The Book of the Dead itself, these entities has not only nothing to do with personal Gods (except they may be called after them) but there is actually a statement in mostly every page there, that these entities are the representatives of the own mind of the meditator. They are within his own lokaloka (legendary mountains "restricting one's world") meaning the limitations of his own mind. This is quantum truth: we see and live in a world created by our won Observation, i.e. that one we can see and receive. When we meditate our capability of receiving or observing grows and we can enter different worlds and different parts of this world.

Also Book of the Dead shows the process of purification and different states of the mind: you may observe beneficial things but if you do not follow the truth and do not understand it fully, and if your energies fall into more ignorant states you may observe and feel worse and frightening things because these are energies of lower spheres of the mind, i.e. the world (since the mind is the world, the last is the emanation of the first - see above). It is not off-topic to this thread and very much related to what we were speaking here about Saturn, because Saturn is exactly what changes from frightening to beneficial with purification of the mind and Saturn is what is really very related to what was written there about these entities. For example, they have some "fury" entities there.

In this regard it is very notable to remember that Saturn is a part of our soul, our Base Chakra, bone system etc, it is our soul and body, our natal chart and fate. Purification of the soul is purification of Saturn, or Saturnine soil as they called it in books into purified gold or "silver powder" to further cleanse all other parts by it.

Dream yoga is real. Since dreams are also in the mind as well as any other part of the so called observed universe (that's why it is called observed) you can manage it as you do with your body in actual yoga, thus relaxing, "stretching" and training your mind not different to how you relax, stretch and train your body in physical yoga. Thus you "stretch" your observed world and can go to any place and time you want. Most people are too tired and they just rest and let their mind relax and stray. But this relaxation may also be used for advancement.

This last paragraph was my own opinion, advanced Zevism may pour more light on the dream theory.

#76

Thank you, this is very interesting

Buddha never speaks of the satanic gods does he?

So the dietes in Buddhism - are they all aspects of the mind?

On the whole, would you suggest any other Buddhist books to read? Or Buddhist practice to practice?

Thanks Edward
HAIL ZEUS!

quote="Edward Lonsa" post_id=387512 time=1662828310 user_id=504]

Artoria Pendragonsaid:

Hi Edward,

Please when you find the time can you comment more on the Tibetan book of the dead. How do the beings that come in the bardo state relate to the Satanic gods do you think?

Do any of the early / authentic Buddhist practices relate to the Satanic ones. I remember they have some thorough practices for dream yoga.

As it is said in The Book of the Dead itself, these entities has not only nothing to do with personal Gods (except they may be called after them) but there is actually a statement in mostly every page there, that these entities are the representatives of the own mind of the meditator. They are within his own lokaloka (legendary mountains "restricting one's world") meaning the limitations of his own mind. This is quantum truth: we see and live in a world created by our won Observation, i.e. that one we can see and receive. When we meditate our capability of receiving or observing grows and we can enter different worlds and different parts of this world.

Also Book of the Dead shows the process of purification and different states of the mind: you may observe beneficial things but if you do not follow the truth and do not understand it fully, and if your energies fall into more ignorant states you may observe and feel worse and frightening things because these are energies of lower spheres of the mind, i.e. the world (since the mind is the world, the last is the emanation of the first - see above). It is not off-topic to this thread and very much related to what we were speaking here about Saturn, because Saturn is exactly what changes from frightening to beneficial with purification of the mind and Saturn is what is really very related to what was written there about these entities. For example, they have some "fury" entities there.

In this regard it is very notable to remember that Saturn is a part of our soul, our Base Chakra, bone system etc, it is our soul and body, our natal chart and fate. Purification of the soul is purification of Saturn, or Saturnine soil as they called it in books into purified gold or "silver powder" to further cleanse all other parts by it.

Dream yoga is real. Since dreams are also in the mind as well as any other part of the so called observed universe (that's why it is called observed) you can manage it as you do with your body in actual yoga, thus relaxing, "stretching" and training your mind not different to how you relax, stretch and train your body in physical yoga. Thus you "stretch" your observed world and can go to any place and time you want. Most people are too tired and they just rest and let their mind relax and stray. But this relaxation may also be used for advancement.

This last paragraph was my own opinion, advanced Zevism may pour more light on the dream theory.

#77

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HAIL ZEUS!

quote="Edward Lonsa" post_id=387512 time=1662828310 user_id=504]

Artoria Pendragonsaid:

Hi Edward,

Please when you find the time can you comment more on the Tibetan book of the dead. How do the beings that come in the bardo state relate to the Satanic gods do you think?

Do any of the early / authentic Buddhist practices relate to the Satanic ones. I remember they have some thorough practices for dream yoga.

As it is said in The Book of the Dead itself, these entities has not only nothing to do with personal Gods (except they may be called after them) but there is actually a statement in mostly every page there, that these entities are the representatives of the own mind of the meditator. They are within his own lokaloka (legendary mountains "restricting one's world") meaning the limitations of his own mind. This is quantum truth: we see and live in a world created by our won Observation, i.e. that one we can see and receive. When we meditate our capability of receiving or observing grows and we can enter different worlds and different parts of this world.

Also Book of the Dead shows the process of purification and different states of the mind: you may observe beneficial things but if you do not follow the truth and do not understand it fully, and if your energies fall into more ignorant states you may observe and feel worse and frightening things because these are energies of lower spheres of the mind, i.e. the world (since the mind is the world, the last is the emanation of the first - see above). It is not off-topic to this thread and very much related to what we were speaking here about Saturn, because Saturn is exactly what changes from frightening to beneficial with purification of the mind and Saturn is what is really very related to what was written there about these entities. For example, they have some "fury" entities there.

In this regard it is very notable to remember that Saturn is a part of our soul, our Base Chakra, bone system etc, it is our soul and body, our natal chart and fate. Purification of the soul is purification of Saturn, or Saturnine soil as they called it in books into purified gold or "silver powder" to further cleanse all other parts by it.

Dream yoga is real. Since dreams are also in the mind as well as any other part of the so called observed universe (that's why it is called observed) you can manage it as you do with your body in actual yoga, thus relaxing, "stretching" and training your mind not different to how you relax, stretch and train your body in physical yoga. Thus you "stretch" your observed world and can go to any place and time you want. Most people are too tired and they just rest and let their mind relax and stray. But this relaxation may also be used for advancement.

This last paragraph was my own opinion, advanced Zevism may pour more light on the dream theory.

#78

Additional information and FAQ

Yes, you can of course do any of the following to help out the Saturn Transit manifest better: Sun Square, Jupiter Square, Cleaning or any meditation that deals with mitigating energies. This is mostly work that affects the energy. The real solution to experience this in the best way, is to actually have rectified as much as possible before this, to have cleaned the soul. And even then, workings to help around with this transit are necessary. Then, we also have the patience and necessary life assessments one might have to make for this energy to be expressed correctly.

Yes, thank you for this, I should have been more specific. In certain occasions, Saturn can come to bring things to a closure, ie, closure of the previous aspect of life, and waking up or coming into terms with a new life with new possibilities. A change of lifepath and added responsibilities for this lifepath might as well emerge, and it might not be "negative", yet, it can all be based on a deep inner and outer change.

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