The Gods #80858 The degree of omnipotence of our God and the Epicurean paradox. [Warning: Mention of Abuse]

[Ask Satya Operator]

Regarding the omnipotence of our God, I want to ask how powerful he is. For example, can he create a new universe instantly, with a snap of his fingers? What about seeing the future? Does he know exactly what I will do in 30 years? Which cafe will I be sitting in with whom on April 17, 2060? What about my children and grandchildren (if I have any)? Does he know their entire lives? Does Father Zeus know what flavor cake will be served and how many candles will be on my grandchildren's thirtieth birthday cake? If so, how much free will do we really have if everything is determined from the very beginning? I admit that the old framework of alien Gods was a little more comfortable for me, but I know the reason is only because they feel more relatable and close.

Now, I am trying to understand this new knowledge. However, this seems no different than the simulation theory because we are not fighting an alien species, but rather, our God created us and put us on Earth. They inserted an ever-present system of Ma'at versus Izfet and are watching and helping if they see fit, just for the sake of it. I'm not saying the Gods don't love us, but why would they love us? One might say they love us the same way you love your dog. Well, I didn't create my dog or any other animals. If you were the creator of dogs, would you allow some of them to be abused and suffer? People see their pets and other animals as companions who go through life with them. But since the Gods created us, why should they love us?

Spoiler: Talk of Atrocities

I don't want to seem arrogant, but is all of this really worth it? Loving a few righteous people who are walking the path of becoming theophoros while, on the other hand, millions of children can't get a good night's sleep, fearing that they could be hit by a missile and buried under the rubble at any moment in some region of the world. Some children are getting r*ped on one island, and most likely, some toddlers are being consumed on another. All of this human suffering is real, crushing, and dreadful. If all of this is known from the beginning, it's just sad and shitty in my opinion.

For example, many members raised concerns about performing a ritual for Lady Nemesis. As a Zevist, you are better most likely better than 95% of people when it comes to ethics and not being a criminal. I'm not saying this to boost my ego. I feel like most members would agree with this. So, why are we concerned that Lady Nemesis will negatively affect us initiates while we perform a ritual to her and seek justice?

Did the guy who r*ped and tortured children ever feel any kind of concern? Did he fear Lady Nemesis? Most likely not, he seemed very smug and full of oxytocin and serotonin.

Finally, we know that heaven doesn't exist. I feel like people who have gone through extreme suffering, abuse, slavery, and torture should be entitled to something like heaven, at the very least. And, if anyone wants to assume, no I didn't get abused or tortured, I have loving parents and I am very grateful for them, and I pray to the Gods for protecting them and try to not take them for granted.

The Gods created them and knew they would go through these things from the beginning. Hence, God is omnipotent, but I am not sure how far this omnipotence, power, and foresight stretch. This is my main question here.

If these atrocities are needed to flourish a righteous Temple, good initiates, and a few theophoros to bring back Ma'at, then at the very least, these poor souls should be compensated somehow, but these are just my feelings. I am not telling the Gods to do this or that obviously, that would be a very serious crime. Just expressing my feelings to get answers. Because this system seems brutal for the unfortunate.

Back then it was more understandable, and I am not expecting to understand the divine here on a forum post, but we were told that the Gods created us, some malicious external entities waged war against our earth, and mankind had to suffer. Now, this story also raised many questions for the members because they were like why Father Satan lost this war, why he didn't help this person etc. But I was like so what if he lost a single war, what if he is not all powerful, he cares for us, he gives us knowledge and enlightenment, he fights for our behalf and we will return his favor. I personally had no problem with him not being omnipresent.

But since Father Zeus is omnipresent, we are not exempt from the Epicurean paradox, so can someone please answer this paradox? It would be really helpful.

Thank you for reading my thoughts on this. I hope to receive some help. I hope my questions make sense, and that the answers will be valuable to me and others in the future with the same questions.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

It's not necessary for others to suffer in order for people who ascend to ascend.

Why there is suffering and injustice is a mix of allowing freedom for beings but also for Divine Mystery. It's very easy to be angry at the Gods or Zeus himself for the harshness of evil people and nature, especially when you factor in that those who are evil are largely this way because of their charts. It makes you wonder how much freedom we truly have, especially when it can be abused and taken away by others with greater power.

The whole system, how it works, what kind of people, creatures (including parasites, cancers, viruses, ect) it can create, all of it, the good and bad, was designed by Zeus.

However, there is a reason things are that way or allowed to be that way. What that reason is, I don't know. Some people here who I won't name have said they were abused as children, and have since used magick and asked the Gods to enact justice on the perpetrators.

Perhaps one purpose of evil is to allow us to be Harbingers of Justice. If evil people didn't exist, we wouldn't be able to exeprience that. The purpose of natural and personal evil may just be to allow us to experience the full spectrum of the Divine Personality, the good and bad, light and dark, to not let the good be abused and to subdue the dark and not let it drag us into Izfet.

It's still hard for me to accept the sheer suffering in this world caused by humans or other creatures onto others, but if Zeus saw fit that these had to exist for some reason, then there must be a reason for that.

Ultimately, natural evil for the most part is an instrument of karma and a "teacher" in some way, and those who commit personal evil will face the Gods for what they've the done. The former is temporary, the latter will get what they deserve, one way or another.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

Did he fear Lady Nemesis? Most likely not, he seemed very smug and full of oxytocin and serotonin.

Whether the enemy fears the Gods or not is completeley irrelevant. You can feel whatever you want about the truck coming towards you, but you laid your bed in it and now you're going to get hit. Whether you're afraid of it or not does not matter at all.

 

[Ĥl·lĥæ]

Zeus seems to be a part of the universe. In other words, he is part of the cosmic root. You're mixing up his ideas with another type of theology, where God is outside the world and not a part of it. In this case, Zeus is exactly what was said: a basic emanation. He can influence other emanations or alter the actions of parts of the world, but he cannot create another universe.
I've already thought about everything you wrote; I can't disprove Epicurus's paradox. So, it makes the most sense to believe that the gods don't have morals. This means they can do both good and evil without thinking about it, depending on where they are in the universe. The fact that we perform rituals to impose justice on the world suggests that there are limits to the gods' activity. These limits can only be seen under specific conditions that are amoral and purely metric.

I thought about this a few months ago, and I decided that the problem with the Christian God is a problem that any religion that believes in a God that is all-powerful and good has.

According to Catholic beliefs, evil is the absence of God. How could anything exist if God didn't exist? So evil here is self-created.

The gods' never-ending fight against Izfet is like trying to stop a wave from reaching the shore by continuously scooping water with buckets. Time is like death, and the heart is a form of resistance. One day, the heart will stop beating. It works hard to keep things true and fair. Izfet, on the other hand, doesn't make an effort. He is fluid and endless, able to emerge from any atom that abandons its endless work. Evil doesn't try; it just is. Good things exist, but they require effort.
This is why some people see reality as negative.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

I have answered you here: https://templeofzeus.org/advancedphilosophy/WhyEvilExists.php

The "Epicurean" paradox is not from Epicurus. It's a Christian Apologetic argument that tries to dispute the lies of the Christian church, which claims the same "God" that is "Good" and "All Powerful" simultaneously allows children to get leukemia and die at 2 years old or allows infant mortality.

Where Christians lie to themselves that "God is all powerful and all Good" and they do genocides, or they can't answer why children die at 2 years old, and simultaneously try to support that "God is good and loving", they are attempting to hide the inadequecy of their God. Their God doesn't exist and it's all total lies and apologetics for their own lies that cannot be bridged by reality.

Our Gods, are telling us: "The universe has this and that law. Here is how to escape it. The universe is not all "good", it also has plenty of bad in it. Seek how you align yourself. It's embed in the universe. We will help you, as we have helped ourselves escape it. But it's there and we didn't make it."

The above collapses upon itself because it's a huge lie. It also, has nothing to do with Zevism or how the Ancients perceived this topic, or how Zevists understand the topic. To see how we understand it, refer above. It's all answered.

The reality of the Ancient Gods is that this form of "all-powerfulness" is relative in context of the universe. The Ancients knew the topic really well and never claimed any God had "omnipotent power", because the argument collapses upon itself. To understand this topic, read my sermon above and it will clarify it for you. Evil exists in the universe by default, and the Gods help us deal with it as they have.

Clearly, the power of the universe is not "evil or good" in the conventional sense.