17 year old turk from Germany, am I considered white?

[Megistomedes]

Konusu açılmışken soruyim dedim,Erzurum nedir peki?Annemler Kafkaslardan geliyor baba tarafının soyu ise Ermenistan'a gidiyor.Bunları belirtmem pek sorun açmaz bence,yaşadığım şehri söylemiyorum sonuçta.

Odhal ile yaptığım çalışmayı yarıda kestim,daha iyi işlerim vardı.Yaparken belli bir sonuca vardım(beyaz),bıraktıktan sonra tekrardan şüpheye düştüm.Şu anda ise beyaz olduğuma şüphe etmiyorum.Psikolojik mi?

Esenlikler,

Bildiğim kadarıyla kuzeyinde Türkleşmiş Gürcüler, merkezinde Türkler, güneyinde de Kürtler yaşıyor.

İyi günler.

 

[AliPasha]

Hello everyone. I hope you're all having a great day!

This is the first time I've ever been on here. I have been on a "spiritual path" for 4 years now and love hearing differing opinions and like to read up on different paths. I looked for this site and read about white people being superior to the other races.

I am a white turk, dark brown hair, which are curly when I don't cut them, dark brown eyes and am 179 cm tall. People think I look pretty balkan, mostly greek.

I also did a dna test, which didn't make much sense to me. It said I was a "Pontic greek", yet I have no ancestors from any regions where pontic greeks lived. I am mostly from Aydin and a quarter is from Balikesir. I can trace my ancestors for 200 years, so I was able yo disprove that test. What I found interesting was my Haplogroup. It was I2a1b3, which appears to originate from what is nowadays Ukraine. So basically my paternal side descents from Serbo-croats, who invaded the Balkans and were probably displaced by the Byzantines from the Balkans to Anatolia.

I was wondering what you guys think? Are turks considered white people? Am I considered white?

Looking at history we turks are a mixture of native anatolians and the oghuz turks. These oghuz turks were basically part Persian/caucasian with some Asian ancestry. Some say we are andrapoda, others say the opposite. It's very confusing and I don't seem to get non-biased answers. So I'd appreciate your help.

Thanks for reading

Perhaps you are a decendant of the Janissaries. I guess you are considered mixed.

How can I find out what ethnic group I descent from? These dna tests are practically useless and can be pretty inaccurate.

Erzurum was once known as "the city of the romans". When the Seljuks conquered Erzurum the city was entirely made up of armenians and other Christian people, so the turks called it "Erzurum" Rum is literally in the name (Rum=Roman). Most people who are native to Erzurum have some sort of armenian ancestry, but depends on the individual of course.

Many kurds in the 19th century moved to Armenian cities, where armenians obviously were once the majority, like Ağri, which was built by armenians, is nowadays almost fully inhabited by Kurds, who spit on anatolian/turkish culture and spread their Islamic bullshit.

Turks are very diverse and a georgian could've moved to Erzurum and it might have never been on paper because he said he was a turk. In general: Every Muslim in the Ottoman Empire was a full citizen and would nowadays be considered a "Pure turk", so I can't say if you're armenian or something else. My ancestors have very bizarre stories, some of them have never even spoken about their ancestry. I assume they might be Gizli Ermeni (Hidden armenians), but I can't prove nor disprove that.

 

[AliPasha]

Konusu açılmışken soruyim dedim,Erzurum nedir peki?Annemler Kafkaslardan geliyor baba tarafının soyu ise Ermenistan'a gidiyor.Bunları belirtmem pek sorun açmaz bence,yaşadığım şehri söylemiyorum sonuçta.

Odhal ile yaptığım çalışmayı yarıda kestim,daha iyi işlerim vardı.Yaparken belli bir sonuca vardım(beyaz),bıraktıktan sonra tekrardan şüpheye düştüm.Şu anda ise beyaz olduğuma şüphe etmiyorum.Psikolojik mi?

Esenlikler,

Bildiğim kadarıyla kuzeyinde Türkleşmiş Gürcüler, merkezinde Türkler, güneyinde de Kürtler yaşıyor.

İyi günler.

Well not always. Giresun for example has high amounts of turkic admixture.

Here is the average anatolian turkish admixture made by Turkish dna project on facebook, which aims to debunk myths such as "All turks are greeks" and such nonsense.

https://imgur.com/a/ZPnCQSq

And here's another one for turks from Southwest, which is known to have the highest "yörük" genes out of any region.

https://imgur.com/a/W6jPgyJ

If you have any questions regarding turkish ancestry please ask. I have studied my own genetics for a year now and have always come to different results. That is because these dna tests, even calculators, are made for Americans, who want to know their European genes.

So they specialize in American dna, which is on average a mixture of English, French and German. So these ethnic groups will the most focused on.

Myheritage for example has a problem distinguishing turks from greeks and greeks from italians. They're very unreliable.

23andMe seems to be the best tbh. Balkan turks from Bulgaria, for example, score 25% Bulgarian, because their great grandfather was 100% Bulgarian and he mixed with anatolians, which after generations of mixing left their grandchildren with 25% Bulgarian dna. Even 12% is still true and can be proven, so it's pretty good.

The reason they're so accurate though, is because they work with/for Google and google also has access to your dna. There was a huge scandal where 23andMe sold the dna of their customers to Google, but obviously no media reported on it because google silenced them.

So for us turks to get accurate and safe information is very difficult. I visited my village, talked with my relatives etc and they all talk this bullshit how we're all asians nomads who conquered Anatolia and all the greeks immediately left, so we turks could possibly have no foreign ancestry bla bla bla.

My grandmother literally told us Caucasians are all Yörük türks. Such nonsense.

It's terrible. I'll probably be forced to do a 23andMe test myself because I have a strong feeling I have greek or bulgarian ancestry. My other dna test proved it too, but it was very wishy washy. My greek genes range from 0-15%, while my Aegean Island genes range from 0-23%. So basically I could be part greek. It's all very vague and left me with more questions.

Hope the links work lol I've never done this before. I apologize if they didn't.

 

[AliPasha]

Konusu açılmışken soruyim dedim,Erzurum nedir peki?Annemler Kafkaslardan geliyor baba tarafının soyu ise Ermenistan'a gidiyor.Bunları belirtmem pek sorun açmaz bence,yaşadığım şehri söylemiyorum sonuçta.

Odhal ile yaptığım çalışmayı yarıda kestim,daha iyi işlerim vardı.Yaparken belli bir sonuca vardım(beyaz),bıraktıktan sonra tekrardan şüpheye düştüm.Şu anda ise beyaz olduğuma şüphe etmiyorum.Psikolojik mi?

Esenlikler,

Bildiğim kadarıyla kuzeyinde Türkleşmiş Gürcüler, merkezinde Türkler, güneyinde de Kürtler yaşıyor.

İyi günler.

Well not always. Giresun for example has high amounts of turkic admixture.

Here is the average anatolian turkish admixture made by Turkish dna project on facebook, which aims to debunk myths such as "All turks are greeks" and such nonsense.

https://imgur.com/a/ZPnCQSq

And here's another one for turks from Southwest, which is known to have the highest "yörük" genes out of any region.

https://imgur.com/a/W6jPgyJ

If you have any questions regarding turkish ancestry please ask. I have studied my own genetics for a year now and have always come to different results. That is because these dna tests, even calculators, are made for Americans, who want to know their European genes.

So they specialize in American dna, which is on average a mixture of English, French and German. So these ethnic groups will the most focused on.

Myheritage for example has a problem distinguishing turks from greeks and greeks from italians. They're very unreliable.

23andMe seems to be the best tbh. Balkan turks from Bulgaria, for example, score 25% Bulgarian, because their great grandfather was 100% Bulgarian and he mixed with anatolians, which after generations of mixing left their grandchildren with 25% Bulgarian dna. Even 12% is still true and can be proven, so it's pretty good.

The reason they're so accurate though, is because they work with/for Google and google also has access to your dna. There was a huge scandal where 23andMe sold the dna of their customers to Google, but obviously no media reported on it because google silenced them.

So for us turks to get accurate and safe information is very difficult. I visited my village, talked with my relatives etc and they all talk this bullshit how we're all asians nomads who conquered Anatolia and all the greeks immediately left, so we turks could possibly have no foreign ancestry bla bla bla.

My grandmother literally told us Caucasians are all Yörük türks. Such nonsense.

It's terrible. I'll probably be forced to do a 23andMe test myself because I have a strong feeling I have greek or bulgarian ancestry. My other dna test proved it too, but it was very wishy washy. My greek genes range from 0-15%, while my Aegean Island genes range from 0-23%. So basically I could be part greek. It's all very vague and left me with more questions.

Hope the links work lol I've never done this before. I apologize if they didn't.

 

[F_For_Flamingo]

Yeah the tests are useless, sorry but i can't really tell you. Perhaps if you start meditating and advance enough, you could ask the Gods.