Sei maggiorenne, puoi decidere per te stesso, quante volte bisogna dirtelo?

Let's also mention the curses against those who go directly against the JoS.

You tend to beat yourself up too much, you should avoid doing that. For starters you can learn that "thanks" is not written "thanx" and that "Nazi" is not "Natzi".

Just download a click counter on your phone.

Did you say.....Voodoo?

When I went to school, once a year some degenerates would stay in front of the school gates and gave a xian booklet to all the kiddos, i got one from the fuckers and threw it on the street. Then procedeed to convince all my schoolmates to throw all the booklets they got in the bin, which I think...

You're speaking as if there was no cure for what you've been through. 90 days of Ansuz coupled with a good affirmation and you'll feel like a different person.

That's nothing new, they've been saying that the pandemic would be over in 3 months ever since it started.

Wouldn't she do an incorrect amount of vibrations for the day by doing such? Or does it not matter only because the energy wasn't directed?

NO TV, no ipads, no phones until they are 12-13, and even then unless completely necessary only a dumbphone. A lot of sports, gymnastics preferred, martial arts. Read to him at night times, fables ecc And when old enough to read and to be able to study independently. Make him spend a good amount...

Esistono i cosiddetti covid party in cui la gente si va a contagiare, però sta attento che ho sentito che la gente a cui ci è andata è stata denunciata.

Gli errori sono stati corretti tuttavia ancora non è stato caricato il nuovo file. Il calendario italiano presente ora nonostante abbia qualche errore grammaticale è completamente utilizzabile. Quando caricheranno il file aggiornato farò un post.

If you're allergic to flowers I've read that people whi started eating bee pollen daily stopped having allergic reactions.

This doesn't seem like whotecloud to me tbh, as he seemed more psychotic, this guy here just looks like a ranter, but I may be wrong.

E come lotti per la tua nazione? standotene a casa finchè non hai più soldi? Tu puoi lottare per la tua nazione anche a 10000km di distanza, con l'RTR. Andare all'estero in una tale situazione è come evitare un gancio a boxe, ti sposti, ma poi continuerai a combattere. Non siamo nel 1900...

Perhaps you should stop getting influenced by fear mongering propaganda and start thinking with your own head.

Ti ringrazio tanto.

Il lavoro fuori dall'Italia è ancora meno rischioso del trading, se non sei abile nel trading è molto facile che perdi tutto subito. Succede che non avrai la sicurezza in più di avere fatto il lavoro runico. Si può ancora evitare, però devi chiederti cosa sei disposta a fare per evitarlo.

I think that ancient Greek is a charged language like Sanskrit, the fact that HC made the Demonic Authority ritual in that language is in support of my claim, but I may be wrong.

I believe it's based off the location in which you were at the moment of the solar return.

That's the least of your concerns. The choice is yours to make, get the vax or have to alternate how your material life will progress.

Intendevo qualcosa di non scritto da loro.

Look at your life, what is something that could go better?-Do workings to get that area going.

Not to be taken literally. This basically means meditate and clean your soul, not sure about the discovering the phil. Stone, as we know that it's a basically a ball of energy that we can store in the chakras.

Ovviamente che lo sarà. Il turismo è cosa completamente normale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests And also, when we were building ships and sailing all the globe, your own race was living in huts and selling its brethren to some Yehubor for some cheap alcohol. You should start meditating...

Don't believe in non SS spiritualists, they are charlatans who like money.

They are justified, we DO need racism in white countries, and even if the blacks aren't the real enemy hatred towards them in my opinion is completely justified. With racism we would have many less problems, we wouldn't have raped and slaughtered girls and things like that. Now don't confuse my...

By practicing advanced void meditation. Also, please avoid the misinformation, yogis that avoid eating for years.... reminds me of the indian kid who sat under a tree for years making shekels off retarded tourists. Even if it was managable, it's not something to strive for, eating is a...

This is a useless and meaningless question.

Also, new covid-influenza strain found in israel. Lol at this point I'm just laughing when a new variant is found.

Ti so solo dire che la gente "comune" è molto superficiale, provare a stabilire amicizie con la maggior parte delle persone è inutile dato che molti hanno i sensi e le emozioni atrofizzate. È per questo che è meglio fare l'incantesimo per attirare amici adatti a te.

Leaving aside any moral argument, this is the most important point, it simply makes no sense, what literally goes on in the mind of an SS who prefers leeching instead of using the extremely powerful solar energy?

You should avoid talking about your experiences with the Gods since all you've spoken about are your delusions. Just listen in these forums and grow from more advanced people's words.

Well fuck that then.

Comunque per le amicizie guarda la tua undicesima casa. La famiglia non credo c'entri con le amicizie e quella è per la terza casa. L'undicesima governa proprio le amicizie.

Un mio amico mi ha chiesto di consigliargli dei testi affidabili per saperne di più degli ebrei dal loro inizio fino a questa parte, ho solo saputo consigliargli "l'ebreo internazionale" di Henry Ford, qualcuno conosce altre fonti affidabili?

Opinions? https://awarenessact.com/military-study-reveals-how-having-long-hair-can-increase-your-intuition/

This is no such thing as discipline, this is the result of a mind that is literally fucked up. If you are actually an SS you can redeem yourself, if you are not I hope that you get the "eye for an eye" treatment. In no way will you discipline a dog by beating it, this is applied to other...

I posted my own voice too, there's an SS woman who made an audiobook of the whole Mein Kampf too, HC and Maxine also did. We are all still alive lol

How the roles have turned!

Don't waste your time, you're gonna barely scratch them if anything. Double your aura of protection and do rtrs, they hate it when you do rtrs.

Yes, and that goes on for at least 7-8 more years. Unfortunately.

Tutto ciò è sempre più duro con il green pass ebraico. Ahimè..

Ti confondi con la terza casa. Il tuo non è un capriccio, è un vero e proprio bisogno umano, dei buoni amici non sono cosa da poco.

Avrei scritto la stessa esatta cosa. Inoltre, linguaggio colloquiale? Va letteralmente a cominciare una frase con :"uomo", sembra di essere sulle chat dei ragazzi delle superiori. Poi parla di problemi che ho causato su telegram, non ha menzionato che ben 3 anni fa(dei suoi 15 anni da...

The best thing to do for the state would be to permanently delete all kind of degenerate Yehuborim porn and substitute it all with porn that is just normal and that has loving aspects between the people doing it, like erotica, so that individuals will start feeling the need of love from a partner.

The situation was that bad that you had to actually step in, my gosh..

I'm not a biology major, go google it.

If you want to attract people with fake videos you do you, but this is the Joy of Truth, not Joy of deception.

VoE, Brother, your work is very appreciated.

Yehuborim aren't the only parassitic entities in the universe, parassitism is the nature of many species of organisms.

Volere delle relazioni è umano, tuttavia sai benissmo a che stadio di evoluzione è la persona media. Puoi fare un incantesimo per attirare amici ideali per te in una maniera positiva per te stessa.

Dato che parli di me ti dico cosa sento di te:schifo, questo da quando ti conosco, tu puoi venire qua a dire quello che vuoi di noi, che siamo cattivoni che ti rispondono male ecc La verità è questa: che sei un ragazzino scemo, che parla come un ragazzino scemo, e che della verità non ti...

And you're the king of gullible people, knowing your past.

I don't think that's true. Less than 2 years ago HC even bought music from him and told him he enjoyed it.

Most likely just the camera angle and lights. You guys are very gullible.

Ogni post vai a cercare di smentire le parole degli AS e sentirti superiore verso quelli che ti rispondono, il tuo comportamento non é simbolo di avanzamento, è più il comportamento di un ragazzino che vuole sentirsi superiore, ragazzino in effetti lo sei e dato che gli zoomer sono tendenti alla...

What you write is true.

https://itajos.webs.com/X%20SEZIONE%20MEDITAZIONI/MEDITAZIONE%20RE%20E%20REGINA.htm Quello scritto in questa pagina conferma ciò che dico io.

Allora siamo tutti scemi e tu no a scrivere Aum al posto di Om qui. Anche Maxine vero? https://itajos.webs.com/X%20SEZIONE%20INTRO%20MEDITAZIONI/Aum.htm

Perhaps your need to pick a bone with both advanced members for absolutely no reason stems from an inferiority complex? You might want to look into that.

What is sad is that everything that kept him back was in his mind. Many years ago when I was new I saw a video of him literally using telekinesis to move a box of tobacco, nothing short of impressive.

Ma poi perchè Om? È stato detto e ridetto che non ha alcun potere ed è una corruzione di Aum. Il mantra corretto sarebbe Aum mani padme Haum.

Not gonna happen. Material advancement and spiritual advancement complement eachother. Follow your ambitions, passions, dreams, whatever and follow along with spiritual advancement.

You don't have to justify anything to daharkaan, he's here "helping" only because the guy has an interesting in parasitizing off people's energy, something daharkaan has promoted and does.

Rileggi il post, è spiegato tutto li. Non è un sigillo, è uno Shenu.

After the Yehuborim, it's gonna be a matter of time before we also eradicate all rats.

Like sharing their wife with xian monks and having loud sex a couple of meters by their children? :lol:

Just a heads up, in normie talk "woke" means self hating anti white people who like communism.

Do void meditation

You're not really living in real life. Staying at home all the time to stay with your animals? are you crazy? What's gonna happen if your aunt dies or won't support you anymore? You need to do what is realistic, keeping those animals isn't. Did you also say you sketch them for their wellbeing...

This guy fanboy is just an infiltrator waiting to be banned, he promotes all kind of degeneracy and then acts like he's good and innocent. Don't take the Yehubor seriously.

He already stated that the username was basically a mistake he made when signing up for the first time, he wanted it changed but HC being busy would not answer.

Not just us Gentiles, but the whole universe. The idea of a xian god that is all knowing, all watching, all pervading is presumptuos and a corruption of what the Ether is.

My gosh, can you just avoid these long useless spiels that bring nobody nowhere and just get meditating. It's that simple, sit comfortably and empty your mind for a few minutes and do some aura cleaning and building. You're becoming nothing but a nuisance, a literal joke in the forum. It's just...

He was very strange, the energy I felt from him was negative, and as thus he was on my "not to take seriously" list.

Maybe it's just me, but I think we're just normalizing this talk about transgenderism too much, meteor is sick in the head, one can theorize all he wants, but at the end that is the simple truth. It's just really strange reading all this stuff.

That's mentally sick of you. Completely Yehuborim idea.

Your solar returns are gonna be missed dear Lydia. I should've gotten 5 years of them when I was able to lol

Happy Father Satan's day everybody!:)

I agree.

But just to clear it, if you do look like this you should go with people that look like you. mixing with a Japanese asian for example would most likely make the child mixed, that should be avoided.

Do you have similar eyes? then you're most likely asian.

Nobody has ever called a black JoS member here a "black monkey" yours is a nice bait, you don't even have proof about it. Immagine living in a white founded country and wanting to be equal to white people, that's not gonna happen. Even then, most of the USA is diversity friendly, which makes...

No, non ha alcun senso.

Astral cigarettes, probably made with astral herbs, bet they don't have harmful chemicals in it lol

In the book "the new soviet psychic discoveries" there is a chapter dedicated to it, the soviets were researching it. It's very interesting.

The one in Satan's library is the best version. If you want to be scrupolous you can buy an edition that is pre 1945.

Ne ho letto tempo fa ma sfortunatamente non ricordo nulla se non che non è una figura negativa come si crede popolarmente.

Well, even if it's not an ideal workout routine, it's totally doable.

Why do you care then about doing a Saturn square if:"it doesn't work for you". Also, void and trance aren't something that come immediately, you basically have went without meditation for close to 20 years just because you couldn't get in a trance? By now and before you'd be able to get in a...

Might aswell read the Mein Kempf.

You undervalue the power of the Gods. They know when you die, they basically know whenever something bad can happen to you. Nothing can happen to you that is negative after you die when you're of the Gods.

Satan is a being that is hundreds of thousands of years old if not more. He knows you better than anybody else and knows the difficulties you're facing. You can speak to him directly and ask him for help and guidance. Meanwhile...

When I was new my mind was a mess, i'm an airy tipe and was always in some delusion of sort, always day dreaming and such, I thought that I was being drained by everybody, infact I always was feeling tired, and constantly dwelt on that feeling. After becoming more conscious of my thoughts, I...

Pressure is in the mind, they can tell you all they want, it's you who decides how much influence they have on you.

For the same reason you once made a video denouncing the JoS. Ignorance.

Someone's masculinity has been threatened.

None

https://home.solari.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/Solari_Report-Adam_Trombly_on_Entrainment-2011-08-18.pdf

Their uniforms were made by Hugo Boss, which is still a famous brand. They weren't in magazines as far as I know, but the fact that they wore beautiful uniforms makes one think. I think I remember HC saying that just an uniform could cost upward of one thousand.

You're Implying that we say to take any woman available and pump kids. We're not. Find someone you're compatible with, you're not expected to marry for the sake of marrying. Also, taking a job, literally just what is normal to do after a certain age. Your material life will stagnate without money.

Normal shampoo will dry your hair and ruin it. Look into the nopoo method.

No, it's a very good thing. Most women constantly compare themselves to other women, which leads to animosity and jealousy between them, I find that ridicolous, but hey that's what it is in a society where most pretty women's self esteem is based on their body count and looks. A woman who...

Personally I've never found girls with red lipstick attractive. I like natural lips.

How could I not allow him to follow his nature? Lol I'm just giving my opinion here. You could've posted this in any context, even if it was a dude who said he was using drugs.

Mi piace. Però renditi conto che vivendo nel bosco non ci sarebbe progresso. E' la società che ha permesso gli avanzamenti nella tecnologia. Nikola Tesla non lo conosceremmo se fosse stato un campagnolo che faceva il contadino. Però concordo con ciò che dici della città, ciò che è ora la città...

Yes, all people who are into skating are all truth seeking people with the highest morality. More like trash people, baggy clothes negro style and weed. Nothing Satanic in it. I'm not saying it's a bad sport, but you're just unrealistic in your plans. Travelling the world soaking in the sun with...

I doubt Satan grants Demon Lovers to individuals who don't even bother with their advancement.

Cambierei il titolo in :"Hitler - Trattamento degli Slavi"

Il titolo lo cambierei in:"Come Controllare le Dipendenze, le Passioni, gli istinti animaleschi"

Surya is a cleaning mantra, you can use it for cleaning. Mantras for a more appropriate freeing working are Munka, Ansuz, Uruz, thurisaz.

I'd go for the second option. There is no rushing, it can take some time but it's worth it. You can also clean while doing liberation workings.

I think you give this whole "skater" thing too much importance. It's just a board with wheels. You are too attached to the identity of a "skateboarder", my hypothesis is that you feel you need an identity, and you want to identify with what you like, which is skateboarding, but the thing is...

One chakra at a time. Energy will disperse and you won't achieve much.

Probably the worst of the names and you like it. You indeed are a weird individual. Astaroth is a present time name, which has roth in it, which at these times is equated with Yehuborim. Inanna and Astarte are beautiful names and I wonder why people still mention her as Astaroth.

I think this is all in your mind. You might have mental problems. Also, an aura of protection is an aura of protection, not empowering, it will protect you from negative energies and the like, stopping it is literally gonna make your situation worse. You're right that you should not empower...

Yes, workings do point you through solutions. For example, workings for money can direct you to read money related stuff that can help you in acquiring money.

This can't be an accurate test since everybody's power level is different.

Nel titolo, "termine" lo cambierei con "nome".

Lo trovi qua: https://www.jos-astro.com/#/ Tuttavia verrà corretto dato che presenta alcuni errori miei e quando sarà corretto posterò il link diretto.

I've read about people getting bitten and getting rabbies from bats. But I haven't dugged further, so it might as well be bollocks.

Forse si. Non ricordo bene, mi pare d'aver letto qualcosa a riguardo del carbone che è un'allegoria, è connesso ai chakra mi pare.

Not so cute when they get into your house and you have to wonder if they have rabies or not.. lol

Looks just like fake news.

Ci sono anche gli scout che non hanno affiliazione xiana.

https://itajos.webs.com/X%20SEZIONE%20MEDITAZIONI/FUSIONE%20COSCIENZA.htm

Oh mine...

https://www.itajos.com/X%20SEZIONE%20MEDITAZIONI/FUSIONE%20COSCIENZA.htm

South Park è pieno di barzellette verso gli ebrei, tuttavia è un cartone ebraico pieno di schifo. Agli ebrei piace fare ironia verso se stessi.

Bodybuilding is actively ruining your body, and with your diet you're doing that too. Are you blind to this? Do you realize what you're doing? Take a minute to take in consideration that your problems stem from something that you are consciously doing.

https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=63992&p=291226&hilit=the+number+6#p291226

Year 2050

:lol: Good one.

Stop playing victim, if I wanted to tell you that you're retarded I would've told you that you're retarded. I told you that you can't discern truth from bullshit, because you believe everything that is thrown at you. Don't make the discussion longer than it had to be. I won't reply anymore to...

When I was in third grade we were watching a movie in school, and the teacher stopped the movie and said something along the lines of: We've been sat for a long time, now do some movement! I wanted to imitate the chiropractor so I placed my hands at the sides of my head and pulled as a...

Hopefully that is not you in the picture.

Never said you're intellectual deficient, but I hinted that you're naive and believe all conspiracy theories they throw at you. Not all of them are true, and some are literally spread by the goverment to make the people who spread the truth look like lunatics.

Who cares if they don't want to read further. Let those who want truth to read it themselves. You can't force people in this path.

Da Wikipedia: Sappiamo che gli ebrei ogni anno nei loro rituali di sangue prendono delle capre che chiamano "Azazel" e ci trasferiscono tutti i loro peccati, poi prendono la capra e la buttano da un precipizio, se questa non moriva veniva lasciata a soffrire finchè non moriva. Questo...

For a mind that is chattish that is just the usual. Perhaps you're one of the few people who's mind doesn't have useless chatter going on if not stopped.

L'esempio che hai fatto tu della parola money è corretto, perchè le lettere sono praticamente le stesse. Ma qua parliamo di ebraico invertito, dove anche se ci sono somiglianze di suono non vuoldire che tutti i modi di dirlo sono corretti.

Fostar child was a result of that, we don't need that :lol:

That's called thinking.

That can also just be your own mind.

Not an objective argument. A fetus before a few months time has no consciousness. I agree with you about the promiscuity part, but you can't ban abortions of fetuses that are less than 5-4 months old, Lilith supports abortion for women, and so did Hitler in Nazi Germany although not recommended...

Fire Kobra, you lack the mental capacity of discerning truth from bullshit. There are whole teams of idf who are out on the web promoting stuff like:"covid vax has microchips!!","thermometers bad, they kill your mind!!". This is normie tier bullshit that makes people who oppose these look like...

Mr sisanah, just because you have one ball left it doesn't mean you have to compensate the other with an inflated ego. If you lose another one what are you gonna become? The emperor of the universe? It's all real in your mind mr sisahan, but at that point you might aswell call yourself mrs...

Sicuramente sei in buona fede, ma non é corretto come lo scrivi. Tra E' e HE c'è una bella differenza, ed è infatti giusto com'era già. Tra THOI e FHOI c'è anche una bella differenza, sono due lettere completamente diverse. È come dire che Thoth nel terzo occhio lo vibri come Fof. Se c'é...

Getting a job even if you don't like that job is called necessity, not communism.

Even if your chart does not indicate spiritual potential, you can create that potential if you apply yourself diligently. Normies won't be able to tell you shit.

Don't get a reading from a normie...

Yeah, I'm not the "game" type, I go hard against that bullshit when someone promotes it. Thank you for the advice, although that's easier said than done now here in Italy, green pass for everything is needed, gonna have to try my luck when hiking lol.

Retarded advice that reeks of communism.

Any suggestion on where to find decent women? I don't see how the library is a suitable place, people go there to read not to be flirted with :lol:

Double :lol:

It could be different things... Posture, tight muscles in the neck, tight muscles in the upper back, jaw clenching and tightness, posture of the tongue ecc

This is rare but it happens. I know you're not lying.

You need to work on your mind, your mind is your obstacle, you need to try and be in a constant state of void meditation, when you do this there will be no self sabotaging thoughts as your mind will be empty. Also, you need to power through the uncomfortable, life is not comfortable, be...

If Lydia replied just to correct a word she must have been really triggered by how incorrect it was spelled. :lol:

I assumed you're half black, you now say you're half mexican. Mexico is a nation that has both White mexicans and Asian mexicans, if you can find a picture of somebody who looks like you or has similar racial features we can help you understand what race you're part of.

Thank you so much Lydia. I thought I was doomed to wait until next year for a suitable date since the 2021 calendar didn't show any date for it.

Continuo a preferire come l'ho tradotto io :p

If you're mixed your predominant race is 98% of the cases Black.

Isn't the Blacksun subforum enough?

I'll join too! I have chickens!

I'm with you. We've suffered worse than this a couple hundred years ago.

Si, non intende film predittivi ma la progr. Predittiva connessa ai film. Anche se non fosse così il titolo dovrebbe essere cambiato comunque dato che tradotto così non si può proprio vedere.

I haven't read the whole post, but what we are experiencing now is nothing compared to the sufference and torture we experienced in the middle ages. We were literally burned at stakes, precisely tortured as to not die and be able to be tortured for days at an end, we were castrated, our kids...

Thank you Brother:)

The significance is that the Gods have protected you and you're still alive and unharmed. I happened to experience something similar, I flew over a hill, the car was completely trashed, I came out without a scratch, thank the Gods. Do a ritual of thanksgiving to the Gods.

Il titolo può essere migliorato in: Programmazione predittiva e film Il "&" vuoldire and, quindi in Italiano ci sta poco se ci pensi.

We need no sheep among our ranks, National Socialism will remain National Socialism, and Spiritual Satanism will stay as Spiritual Satanism. It's the same concept of the JoS website, all black and red, people who are brainwashed are gonna be scared of it and if they actually want to go forward...

Look who's back! Hello there, your avatar is now suited for winter :D

Nick!

Okay so, I checked some more, and apparently the info is correct, but when I do another natal chart and click the planets, it gives me the information of the natal chart that I was checking before. For example: I do 2 natal charts, one has mercury in pisces and displays correctly the...

I've found a mistake in the website, Jupiter in Aries gives the information about Jupiter in Pisces. I was like:"Wtf? i've never read such a thing about Jupiter in Aries"

In such a case what would happen to cryptocurrencies? We are not gonna be able to use them until the internet goes up again?

Ero sicuro tu fossi empatetico, ho notato che le persone che più tendono avere problemi ad essere represse emotivamente siano persone empatetiche che hanno subito dolori emotivi, e come conseguenza hanno creato un guscio emotivo. La risposta è meditazione sul vuoto, devi controllare...

Nevermind, I understood what you meant. Hopefully we don't get to that point.

Do you mean as in taking the vaccine or moving to another country?

Passeranno 5 anni, tu sentirai di essere avanzato come se fossero passati 10 anni, e loro staranno ancora a farsi le canne. Parlo per esperienza.

Before getting into a teacher training, at least be a yoga practicioner. I wouldn't want a teacher that has not put many hours into yoga before becoming a teacher.

What made you think of pinging me? It's interesting because I literally wanted to buy a printer to print JoS stickers lol...

I understand what you mean, but asking his zodiac sign means one thing, his zodiac sign, which is findable in two clicks.

Ghislaine maxwell's trial started yesterday, our RTRs will hopefully do what they need to do. How hilarious if our Gods will make her speak about everything she knows.

Si basa tutto sulla meditazione sul vuoto. Se non sei concentrata e rilassata, ti verrà molto più difficilmente. Se è il tuo tallone d'achille dovrai praticarla più spesso, per esempio mettiti per 5 minuti ogni 2 ore a essere creativa con la visualizzazione, per esempio visualizza strade, posti...

Yep saw it. I've no sympathy for the woman though, she paid the price of burning coal.

Have you ever thought of opening the website and finding it out in about 10 seconds?

This is the crude truth, and it's powerful. These are my kind of favourite posts.

Cohencidentally, just yesterday a black guy ran over White people at a xman parade.

This is total bullshit and is just the result of your immagination.

Welcome, there is a lot you need to learn(and unlearn). Read all websites: WWW.SatanisGod.org

Most likely not optimized for it.

If you don't believe in anything why would you believe in a punishment?

Personally I loved it, the functionalities like clicking planets and getting all the info about them are extremely time saving, I literally had an open mouth when I was using it because it's just fantastic.

I'm sure you are well meaning so don't take it as an offence, but you're constantly writing stuff that makes me believe that you're just trying to advance the most fastest way possible without taking care of basics like cleaning and removing chakra blockages, the type of guy who is all about...

And now also in Germany. Couple of months and probably even Italy will enforce it.