http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... 5a7c2972ef   Official: Bin Laden buried at sea (AP) – 13 hours ago WASHINGTON (AP) — A U.S. official says Osama bin Laden has been buried at sea. After bin Laden was killed in a raid by U.S. forces in Pakistan, senior administration officials said...

I don't really know what he is or was in the sense of being alive or dead. All I have is the word of the biggest psychopathic liars in history to go on. From: serbessa2000 <serbessa2000@... To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 9:52:09 AM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: WE...

 They killed him outside his MANSON in Pakistan seems he was keeping low living in fear and danger of being caught.......not.   Osama was a Kosher CIA asset the entire time, Al-whatda is a front. Seems the kikes just stabbed him in the back[if they are not lying and he is dead for real] as they...

You might be able to find some vid clips on Utube to help you out if not:   http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... urces.html   This is a good resource section to get the materials.   8. Lock the fingers in bear grip at the throat level (8A). Inhale -apply mul bhand. Exhale -apply mul...

Things have changed and the growing balance of power is now in the hands of the Arab nations and Iran, since the kike puppet of Egypt fell the entire situation in the region has changed. Israel was also defeated in Lebannon in 2006 very quickly by a small highly trained force with only light...

Thank you for that clarification. From: chalchiuhnenetzin <jaguarcat2002@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 2:27:38 AM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Bill and Kate!   Diana's mother, the late Frances Shand-Kydd, was a Rothschild. Whether that was on the...

Doubt it the jewyness comes from Charles side look at William that is not a Brit mug that nose keeps growing without end like pinocchjewo, those with kike genes, the kike gene becomes more and more pronounced as they  age.   His brother Harry is not Charles son that is obvious, his father was an...

The entire "British" Empire was nothing more then a Rothschild and other kikes racketeering and globalist front of the day. They used it to dominate the global and spread they program of xianity far and wide and take hold the ecomonics of the world, while pushing never ending wars for kikes. It...

Do hatha yoga first. From: nlnlndf <nlnlndf@... To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 5:35:31 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Getting in a trance.   So Im trying to work on my trance and I have the breathing down wonderfully. I dont even need to think about that...

She is a Jewess from the family name of Goldsmith, they even had a Jew wedding with the stepping on the glass at the end. A lot of Jews have infiltrated the "Royal" family Queen Victoria even made the Rothschilds part of the aristocracy. It's so kikey that many other European Royals who kept the...

As for revolution the kikes want chaos for either martial law or the create their own red revolution to take total power from above and below as they operate on problem, reaction, solution. Real revolution is like a cosmic revolution or turn of the universial wheel of life, every 18 million...

Just to clarify I don't think proverty is so much overpopulation as the kike capitalist system of economic slavery and scarcity. The jewxian program is also responible banning birth control in the thrid world nations. The kikes are also in control of all the major nations of the world either by...

Gaga is Gentile from an American Italian family, as for her style she is redoing the glam rock era to pop music and jazzed up greatly. Also borrowing from early pop stars material mixed in. Her video alejandro took a lot from Madonna's work in from the eighties   Her hit song "born this way" is...

Some area's are over populated, but I don't know about the problem with the population of earth as a whole with meeting basic needs given the scarcity global ecomonic system of exploitation the kikes have created that allows hundreds of millions to live in extreme poverty daily and the deaths...

Never discount an act of truth, it is always important and makes a positive impact. From: david <felgaurd666@... To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 3:43:33 PM Subject: [HellsArmy666] Re: Israel: The most powerful crime syndicate on the planet!   Yeah I posted this...

For the conflict question all struggles have turning points where victory is won but the enemy still is fighting on despite their side has lost the ground to the other. This is our situation on earth. And that makes the enemy  more dangerous as they are a wounded beast lashing out in all...

I posted an updated version in the News Letter section, which with key documention of the proof that tantra is the body of knowledge of the Vedas inner alchemy, hence the Tantra is the Vedic in origin. A lot of scholars don't get this fact. From: Yoyo <kung_fukistas_real@... To...

Fine. From: Jason Alfano <eremoslukos8@... To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 4:56:33 AM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: The Fountain of Youth   @Don: I'd like to 1st thank you for taking the time to put this together and share it with us. I was also wondering if...

The mafia has always been jewish which explians why they work so close with the kosher controlled government. Of course the jews like to hide behiond the nationality of the Gentile places they infested so you get told by the jew media it's the "Russian" or "Italian" mob. From: Mac Friday...

Give him this article then it's based on the Druids: http://gblt.webs.com/Witchcraft_Tradition.htm         <center>The Western Origins of the Witchcraft Tradition: The origins of the Arya </center> "The priests of the Mysteries were symbolized as a serpent, sometimes called Hydra...The...

Another one on the cross, you try and push the nonsense idea to people smoking a tranquilizer in plant form is spiritual and alright thing to engage in. Then I point out it's foolish and the kikes push this nonsense on our peoples. I have noted kikes like to push this to Gentiles in the Pagan...

Potheads exist, your attempt and tactics to guilt trip and brow beat me into repentance over  stating that fact is kosher in it's behaviour. Simply because your oh so offended like one of the "chosen" always are  at the truth you feel you have license to whine, bitch and make demands of me and...

To be full blood kike it  most be born of  a kikesses, anything else gets into half, quarter or less, don't be fooled a less then full kike is still a kike, Jeffery Dahmer had  jew blood from his father side and look what it drove him to be. From: Arturo Bing <arturobing@... To...

The Jews hounded this professor for being honest:     Incident at Wellesley College: Jewish Attack on Black Academics by Tony Martin [/IMG]The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews among my offerings in the school bookstore. The book documents the considerable Jewish involvement in the...

When you come down off you're cross let me know.     From: Helen Dorrington <dorringtonhelen@... To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 4:23:07 AM Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Drugs and alcohol   <td vAl[/IMG] <td style="FONT-FA[/IMG] <td...

Feel better now?   From: Helen Dorrington <dorringtonhelen@... To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 2:47:41 AM Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Drugs and alcohol   <td vAl[/IMG] Don It must be a real burden for you to be so perfect that you can judge others. I also...

I notice your grasping for straws to explain away your previous statements. From: "eremoslukos8@..." <eremoslukos8@... To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 1:19:17 AM Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Drugs and alcohol   Shit! Did I not say the right words again?! I...

Alcohol is a depressant notice the amount of people who kill themselves when drunk,   Alcohol drives down the voltage in the light body, even the act of being drunk is caused by the alcohol strips the postive charge away, red blood cells carry on their outside to keep them from clumping...

This does demonstrate how the enemy always projects their evil onto their victims.   From: Arturo Bing <arturobing@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 12:43:40 AM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: My Ex-Friend   People please listen to Me on this you can't make any...

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... emons.html From: belyeac <belyeac@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 10:04:54 AM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Question   Another question, does anyone know how to find out the name of my personal demon? I believe...

http://www.freewebs.com/eridu666/Origins.html       <center>The Origins of Satanism</center> Satanism is not a Christian invention Satanism predates Christianity and all other religions Satanism is not about spooks, goblins, vampires, Halloween monsters or other related entities...

Undermen, will be undermen.   Well this is what happens when you combine heavy xian programming growing up, a weak and scared mind and a lot of drugs that literally act to crack the brain function like  cracking an egg in a frying pan.   I have known a lot of such people in life, they spent...

The only reason any Gentile hates Hitler is because the jews have been lieing about him for decades.Just like with Father Satan, well the time is here now that all that is changing and the truth is winning. From: Brian Gibbons <briangibbons20@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sat...

"He who talks of the German people as having a mission to fulfil on this earth must know that this cannot be fulfilled except by the building up of a State whose highest purpose is to preserve and promote those nobler elements of our race <em>and of the whole of mankind</em>[/B] which have...

There was  of lab studies done on plants done that found they are sentient and react to human emotions and even feel pain and fear.etc   So Veganism is going back to the drawing board I guess. From: Arturo Bing <arturobing@... To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011...

Loose lips, sink ships. From: Yoyo <kung_fukistas_real@... To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 4:40:00 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Angry about power  

Blain is a kike tricknologist, these shows just made the siddhi's look like tricks and help push jewish materialism along futher in the unconscious and conscious mind of the masses of society.   No magic there just cheap tricks. From: Catlovers Foreva <catloversforeva@... To...

Here is the facts on the Illuminati and the Jews behind them, at the top of the Jew World Order are human hating ET's such as repitilans, greys and enemy Nordic's, the Jew is repitilan in gene template and was created to their troops on earth to create their factory farm system.   The claims on...

I will point out that images unearthed from the Pagan Period in Europe show a person sitting in the full lotus asana as well. More indepth look on the situation:   http://gblt.webs.com/Witchcraft_Tradition.htm   From: Don Danko <mageson6666@... To: [email protected] Sent: Wed...

Further example of this fact is the fragments of the ancient texts of the north make mention each member of the Volk to have a daily spiritual practice or sadhana especially with the runes. Wotan is a Demon but the tale an allegory for the perfected being. From: Don Danko <mageson6666@...

Interestly enough I was a Wotanist neo-Pagan before coming all the way back into the pure  Satyuga path of Spiritual Satanism or the Sanatan Dharma of our People ie the "Original Religion of Mankind" as Father has spoken.       The Gods of Europe are the Demons under other alias, all the Demons...

Not even a century ago Detroit was one of the best American cities to live in, till the Jews brought it down along with America. From: Indigo Nation <gutterrainbow@... To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 5:05:41 PM Subject: [HellsArmy666] Re: Sermon 4/17/11   Well...

Ignorance then fear looking at the dynamic. From: netspectre101 <netspectre101@... To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 3:31:27 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: world economy   And may I add, fear is always their best weapon.

I "give a fuck about him" he is given access by his kike handlers to the minds of tens of thousands of people to pollute them with jewish backed filth, lies and general disinfo about Father Satan, Satanism, NS and everything truthful in general,  allowing the Jews a cover for the kikes...

More reason then ever to keep up our rituals against the enemy and to awaken Gentiledom to the truth of Satanism. While educating as much as we can we keep this up and we win.   One advantage we have is the kikes are pushing so far and fast out of panic at the top they are turning the heat on...

Just so people know Niburu is a hoax pulled by sitjewchin. Gods know that topic has come up enough times already here.   From: strengththroughsatan89 <horrorfan89@... To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 5:09:54 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: HP Vovim Website (Lost...

Most of the time that is what it seems to be, also sometimes emails bounce and don't make it though at all, it's the nature of the yahoo system. From: Brian <briangibbons20@... To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 4:45:42 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Apology  ...

It's already here to a certian level with chipped cards in many nations, the chipping of pets and even some people have volunteered to be chipped as proto-tards, the further pushing to get the foot in the door under false pretense such as chipping old detemented people to find them if they...

Not if we keep doing our job they won't be, educate, educate, educate.   And keeping empowering yourself. From: Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 3:26:37 PM Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] world economy   don will they be successful...

I think it's a code meaning Gentile as the kikes call us soulless beasts, hence the mark of the Goyium will be to be emchiped like the cattle kikes claim we are.   Of course if we are sooooo soulless why do the kikes fear us having spiritual knowledge to empower our souls, if we don't have one...

Always check your spam mail box some mails go into there and don't make to your main inbox. From: blackkat_411 <egret23@... To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 3:59:57 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Apology   ..Hail Satan! idk, mine still posts in my email box...

The News Letter Site is what you are looking for all the Sermons are on there:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoSNewsletter/   Here is the one article you are looking for on words of power   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoSNewsletter/message/154   Vibrating words of power/mantras is one of...

It just was stated yesterday in a major European news report that the economic situation has now offically pasted the point of no return towards a total economic collaspe, when their even admitting it openly now you know it's coming and it's bad.   The Jews are doing this on purpose as the...

Yes you can, but I have to wonder how is it possible your not skilled enough to thread a bunch of beads on a string? Even a chimp can do that task with ease, come on now and be a little more honest here.   You don't lack trance ability, but keep thinking you do and you will. From...

I just want to remind people here the gland that rules the immune system is the Thymus and the heart chakra rules it. So make sure to keep with your daily chakra meditations. From: Syt R <jri9vero@... To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 12:21:59 AM Subject...

I have read of people being fully cured of AIDS/HIV by holistic methods, in the end a virus is a energy form and can be destoryed by a higher vibrational wave.   Buy yet from what I read studies of people taking the mainstream AIDS meds all died within several years. From: Davide...

No, it is  a nice thing to have for many reasons. From: Erick <erick3164@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 12:32:40 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Altar   Is an altar really necaccery to do the witchcraft?

Enemy ET's pose as ascend masters to the NAM crowd. Of which Icke is part off even he thinks different. From: Don Danko <mageson6666@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 12:29:53 PM Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: IS DAVID ICKE WRONG?   David Icke businesses...

David Icke businesses partner is a Jew named Solomon, as well the fact Icke admits he is a medium for  an ET's that pose as ascended masters much of his work is simply channelling disinfo from them and mixing it with Alice Bailey's work with is based out of Thesophy but his updated terms.  ...

It does not matter I do a breath per word as that  is how it just works out for me. From: Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 10:39:15 AM Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] kabala squares 2   ONE BREATH? its a long mantra!!! wow that seems...

No need for apology you where in the right, just next time please  post your evidence  with your statements for educational purposes for myself and others, especially if a person has not watched said film.   I remember the "running of the Jews" and such but your original statements I beleived to...

No he was not a roider, he was MMA teacher and believed in clean living. And having been around roiders in the Gym and life his behaviour was too balanced and calm to be on them.   I suggest looking into Raw Cacoca to replace your morning cofee with. It's a powerful organic food and was the...

Well your debate points have convinced me to see and acknowledge your point, which seemed in the first post outlandish to a certian degree. So I tip my hat to you Derik.   Next time just put your points of evidence in with your statements. From: derikgsthreesixs23 <derikgsthreesixs23@...

Thats the enemy, never get anything done that your fate is a roll up of the shirt away. Why people feel the need to draw on all themselves in ink.....   The SS did tat's that where tiny and under the arm blood group tats so if the SSMan was wounded they knew what kind of blood transfusion to...

Never get anything inked onto you that can be used against you, example in some countries NS tats can land you in jail.   From: Samvelg Ors <ave.diabolus1994@... To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, April 15, 2011 2:57:33 AM Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Tattoos   Not at all :) I...

Thats is true, listening to interviews with Government people who had dealings with the Reptilians  they and the kikes share the same character.   Reptilians are kikes in space. From: Catlovers Foreva <catloversforeva@... To: [email protected]; Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@...

I watched that movie years ago and none of what you claim was in it, Borat is played a Jew named Sasha Cohen and most of it was just a mockery of Gentiles as Jews like to do.   As for the Illuminati it it's Jewish from the start:   http://www.666blacksun.com/Illuminati.htm   I note it's vogue...

I would stay awa from such "supplements" one fellow I know of had a reaction to creatine that almost killed him. I would look into a high quality deer antler product.   Hard body training point is to harden the bone structure till it is armour like they do it  a lot in the Shaolin schools...

The red blood cells around the outside of them possess a positive electrical charge to keep them from all sticking together. Booze is an strong acid that literally strips this charge away causing the red blood cells to clump together and slowing done the flow of oxgeny to brain.   That is your...

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... thing.html From: Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 5:10:24 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] breathing exercises   hey does anyone have and recommended breathing exercise techniques. I am...

Iam of opinion from having done just about every kind of physical exercise system under the sun even Charles Atlas the strongman made famous for the bully kicking sand in the weaklings face adds. That Hatha yoga is the superior form of physical exercise on the earth as you mention different...

I personally believe from experience and study that if a person wants to use a weight training program they should be wise and invest into Kettlebells and Pavels material. I was a weight lifter for years with free weights and machines. And Kettlebells are hands down superior on all levels they...

There is arrogant then there is Kikeogant. As for your research I have come across those sources before and the main person pushing it was on the pay roll of the Solomon foundation. On a sutble level it maintains jewish supremacy and the bible as a vaild document which ties into jewish...

I believe the Hsykos theory needs to be put on the shelf next to the Khazar one.   The Jew never changes it's nature the are not nor have even been a warrior people. The Hyksos where a  warrior people who conquerored upper Egypt by force of arms and advanced weapon technology such as charots and...

I will add it should be obvious for others the enemy where behind getting this bloody thing going, on this planet there is only one group who commit ritual murder by nature and its the kikes who are reptilian. From: Don Danko <mageson6666@... To: [email protected] Sent: Wed...

From what I read the human sacrifice of the Mexicans started around the 15th century. From: chalchiuhnenetzin <jaguarcat2002@... To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 2:40:51 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: chalchiuhnenetzin   You are correct that Chalchiuhnenetzin...

More of a kikedown the jews are trying to push America into a situation where they can fold it into their Jew World Order. Clinton in the 90's signed an act that allows for the UN to police America in the case of emergency where martial law is declared this was done to ship in a large alien...

I had read there was an ancient custom among our People, upon being made a fully member of the Klan at adulthood(15) the youth was given the option of either keeping his birth name or changing it something he felt fit and represented his nature better.   I believe part of magic names might...

I do not know if it is or not, many are the mysteries of the runes even their name "Rune" means mysteries.   But in the case Siguard desires it is the properity. From: Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 10:31:37 PM Subject: Re...

Hell is always there for you, your current incorrect belief  is simply you projecting your own feelings of inadequacy triggered by the current situation you are in. It's not how they feel about you at all, it's only your own mental junk, which probably has some anchor in your past and...

The properity for this goal is already within the properity of the rune. Unless you want to use the affirmation "This rune is doing what it says it does." From: Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 10:17:18 PM Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666]...

A method that helps to obtain more flexibility is to contract the muscles of the focused area then release the contraction and push deeper in to the movement on the release then repeat. I found this method from a Russian expert named Pavel  Tsatsouline years ago, in his book on the subject it...

As Mac Friday has pointed out something important in his answers, and that is people if you read the list of the Demons: http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... emons.html you will find many answers on the subject of which Egyptian God is which Demon.   Not to appear as rude but the truth is...

Visualize and vibrate. From: siguarddraconis <siguarddraconis@... To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 5:32:47 AM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Runes and astrology   Okay... I see what you mean Don Danko... You have only confirmed my way of thinking in regards to...

I believe you should ask Hell on this one. From: "mia_motherofone_daughterofnone@..." <mia_motherofone_daughterofnone@... To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 4:45:38 AM Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: yoga   Hi, while this topic is fresh in everyone's mind...

I already wrote on the fact the Jesuits are the Jews. From: Arturo Bing <arturobing@... To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 2:16:44 AM Subject: [JoS4adults] Re: The Jewish Hand Behind The American Civil War   Jesuits and jews worked hand to hand on that so let's not...

If you want to live your life in Satan's name.   Then do the dedication and don't delay, then you will get to know Satan better and yourself as well. So you win and get what you desire to the fullest level.   The Magnum Opus is the Great Work where you perfect your life force to the level of...

It's all based on the 8 prinicpals, all real Yoga is Kundalini in essence, looking at the difference between the two systems you mention and having done both and having a daily practice of one. They both combine several or more of the 8 prinicpals within them. But Kundalini Yoga does it with...

Runes seem to be more based upon the star constellations and I believe the trumph deck of the tarot is based out of the Runic Futhark. They are runic vibrations used in the opening exercises but the runes used have also many properites within then that can be used for many things that do not...

Even the spelling of the word is different in older western  texts. So the pronunciation has never been uniform, as well how many people where raised on Sanskrit? Even experts of Sanskrit cannot agree totally on the pronunciation of the language.   Basically it is no big deal.     From...

While I disaprove of dishonestly and using people, I also question if the loss of this persons mind to a bizzare situation that even a single celled organism could be wise to, is really so horrid.   Stupidity is the only sin in Satanism.   Sheeple don't fit the mold of a Satanist, only those...

    There was a pre-dynastic elite that was found to be of light eyes and hair ie Nordic, this was before Greece even offically existed looking at the time periods. This maintained itself in the Royal classes for a long period. From: Pamela <evilalien@... To: [email protected]...

It appears that in the ancient world this was a common respect among the Races of Gentiles but especially for the Members of the Gentile Royal/Priestarchy so that is another connection there. It was mentioned in the Golden Age the Gentiles Races lived in peace and harmony with each other on...

Seems they where Aryan at in the start and came from the East the Black Race from looking at what anthropologist have found started in West Africa interesting enough there are also Sacred mounds there as well. And moved into the area around Egypt in 3000 "bc" I believe. By that time by the...

The Gods are doing their part and we MUST keep doing ours, we have the great and monuments task of being able to build a New World of Truth! A world without lies, a world without suffering, ignorance or death for our Gentile Peoples. Under Satan's banner. From: Allison P...

Nibiru is a jew hoax, Nibiru in ancient Sumeria was either a star or the planet Jupiter but not a home world it's a distraction.     From: Infuriatedsekhmet Eglantine <infuriatedsekhmet1111@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 3:05:07 PM Subject: Re ...

I note from my study the original Serpents stated their homeland was MU I just called it Atlantis as more people understand more what I mean. Names aside it's the same the place.   They have proven that their was communication and trade routes between S.America and Egypt evidenced by Coca found...

With France first the Jews used their power of the banks to bankrupt the Nation into extreme misery and unrest, then used their control of presses and other outlets to incite the masses against the Monarchs who where just as much victimized by it as the commoner. Problem, reaction, soljewion...

Napolean[before becoming the Jews man of France it seems] did do some good things he brought an army of researchers and experts and great minds with him into Egypt on his campaign who are responsable for unearthing ancient Egypt and even finding the Rosetta Stone the major key that allowed...

"Atlantis" fell because the earth was attacked by enemy ET's around ten thousand years ago the evidence of this war is still found today on earth.   As jewusal the enemy just blames the victim with cover lies and distractions. From: Matali Noka <government.hooker@... To...

Even then you have to be careful if a person is using any windows model program the kike system can hack in thought back doors and read all your correspondence. This is why the jewubertment is so strong with backing Gates an example there was a major several and more year court battle with Apple...

The steps should be done daily in my experience I have felt a major energy drop when too much time in between has passed. You can really feel what a missed day feels like. The sacral rules the gonads and when charged to a higher level of power, those reports you cite become irrelevant...

Yes once dedicated you are under Hell's protection. From: Bryan Cartson <bryancartson@... To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 5:31:46 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Question?   hey, I am new and learning of the joy of Satan. I hope to be able to dedicate in a few...

You are under Hell's protection,  just work in a balanced daily program to build your energy levels and you will be fine. Ask your GD for guidence in this they are they to help you evolve because they care for you. Your body adapts itself  in time to the higher levels of energy. From...

Just to add this dupe is not unique infact as mentioned in my last post it's the opposite he is pushing the mainstream jew aged deception and falsehoods.     From: Don Danko <mageson6666@... To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 9:47:48 PM Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666]...

Yeah it's the typical new aged xianity scam a lot of the usefools mouth pieces of the enemy new aged camps are pushing the same distraction. From: strengththroughsatan89 <horrorfan89@... To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 9:21:59 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: New...

This one reason I believe in learning herbalism of your area, JewN can pass all the shit they want, can't stop me from taking a strip of bark from a tree and boiling it.etc In North America there are wild growing herbals such as penny wort and Solomon seal that are called other names in the...

Follow your heart and use your head putting both to the service of your ideal and dreams.     From: Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 12:07:33 AM Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Jewish Destruction Of Black America   you are right...

I say my whole life looking back on things, but offically over half a decade.   I encourage you to study the history of your Race and Culture, ask Hell for help. From my own research the history of the Black Race is very fascinating, rich and noble, also you are very lucky in the fact there are...

Thank you chalchiuhnenetzin, especially coming from a professional writer such as yourself that is an encouraging thanks.   Thank Satan and Hell first and foremost, they guide me all the way, then I just dig it up, clean it up and put it together again.   It's a great pleasure and honor getting...

The world will heal from all this under the Dawning Golden Age of Satan, the Satyuga[Golden Age] in the ancient Sanskrit texts the Age of Truth, Satan in Sanksrit means Eternal Truth. Then all of this will be as a distant nightmare long ago.  But this Satyuga can only come because you, me and...

It's another article on it's own writing on the Jewish crimes towards Blacks in Africa over the centuries, especially how the Jews got in there and forced xanity on them and worked to remove their ancestral tradtion, family kept ancestral sarced artifacts and more. One way is they would set up...

I doubt it everything I have researched on them shows them be of the enemy and they spread a communistic/xian agenda. From: Sss D. <vgb464@... To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 10:39:20 PM Subject: [HellsArmy666] pleiandians   are those aliens with satans side or...

Blood is an allegory for the energy of the chakra's, and the throat chakra as a direct interface into the brain/mind just look at the properities of the Mercury square. Also the power to reprogram the mind via spoken affirmation is quite powerful. From: Blueyez1512 <blueyez1512@... To...

All dantes original  post did was prove Mac Friday was right to the tee on the subject.   The reality is the JoS egroups are under the control of the JoS clergy hence it maintains it's purity and direction. The enemy loves to create "big tent" forums under the guise of unity but it's nothing...

Prehaps you just answered your own question From: Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 2:58:17 AM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] aura work   hey guys do you think there isa way to program my aura to automatically clean itself and my chakras...

It's network is connected into the pineal gland which is connected and interfaces with the crown. From: Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 3:17:37 AM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] third eye   oh man lately everytime i do meditation on my...

They are getting desperate as we are winning. Blaming their sick and jewish crimes on the innocent is not working for them anymore either. From: chalchiuhnenetzin <jaguarcat2002@... To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 5:08:15 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Surge in...

I will need to address this more in the near future in article format as this is the biggest superstitious claim the xians got going and from the  first two decades of my life raised in xian fundimentalism, it really has a strong hold on the deluded sheeple there. And the enemy uses this to prey...

Always make sure to put a daily aura of protection around yourself the stronger the better, runes are good for this. From: Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 12:30:17 PM Subject: RE: Re : Re : Re : Re : [JoyofSatan666] Re: Holocust...

I do not know, I use the verbal vibrations for them. They are the most powerful mantra's I have ever used, and I have used a lot of mantra's. My belief is aloud for the win, but you take a day and try them internal into the daily ruled charka to see what the effects are. But if you're doing a...

It's not my intent to be rude, but how are you sure? Have you had any indepth experience doing both to make that statement outside of theory? Iam asking a honest question to you here.   I do find a issue within society in general is too many people make assumptions and believe that to equal...

Hmmmmm.............no, right in my article I stated the Priestarchy who where the Priestarchy? The Serpents.   The ancients executed sociopathic criminals in the fashion that was part of their culture. From: dumatereli <dumatereli@... To: [email protected] Sent: Wed...

Holocostanity where jewsus was crucified 6 million times.   The biggest shoaw on earth: http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/ From: blackkat_411 <egret23@... To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 11:33:42 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Holocust rememberence day at...

No they are not telling you anything, the Avaturd film  was designed to inspire and instill futher Kike programmed White guilt into the populace. It was Dances with Wolves in space. A lot of White people simply walked out of the threater hating themselves for existing on the subconsciously level...

I apprecitate your desire for knowledge.   Just take some time, meditate upon this and try it out and many of your answers will come to you. From: Matali Noka <flashyflyingparachute@... To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 10:34:02 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re...

I was actual very suprised myself when I started using the mental  versions as to how powerful they where it made me a believer. I found that mental vibration into the pineal gland could send a higher level  of power quicker then the standard aloud vibrations. From: chalchiuhnenetzin...

Yes for your questions. The sqaure mantra's  in the context of using them for the purpose of the entire square working must be done daily, yes.   The mantra's being used for the energy center it rules in the proper hour and day are also very powerful. From: Matali Noka...

It's not just in your head it's vibration though the mental body your mind in matter. From: Matali Noka <flashyflyingparachute@... To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 3:48:34 AM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] MENTAL VIBRATION?!   I capitalized my Subject Title for 2...

For life in general   Do what you can when, you know your time schedule the best. Try and aim for the hour of power within the day to do a daily energy center meditation on this can include breath, mantra, visulation, feeling focus, banda, and mundra along with specific physical hatha exercises...

The sqaure mantra's in the context of using them for the purpose of the entire square working must be done daily, yes.   The mantra's being used for the energy center it rules in the proper hour and day are also very powerful.   For people who are less on time can use the short form of the...

Probably not for the reasons I already mentioned.   Full maturity is around 21 to 23ish years old, If a person could safely raise the kundalini before the saturn return which from my understanding starts coming around in the later twenties it would be better for them as it would give the soul...

Have to get the level of a God first,  humans are subject to our own set of natural laws for our level of being and at this time certain things have to be inplace before starting the transformation process on this level.  This works strongly on the endocrine system to a level a still developing...

After several years of moderating the SGC and dealing with just about every kike troll under the sun, this is the typical bitching kike guilt tripping and moaning victim shit they always give me. I had an inbox full of such kike nonsense over the years............I get a good laugh at everyone...

The Guide Stones: One is that Rosicrucian Order built them the other is Ted Turner is this RC.Christian who had them built.   Personally I view it as a distraction off the truth, I note the entire false truth movement uses this a "proof" the Jew World Order is infact the same old fake Satanists...

It gives the energy of the sun. From: Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 3:09:14 PM Subject: RE: Re : Re : [JoyofSatan666] Re: The Number of Human beings - 666   so as i was saying in previous posts sowilo is all purpose? and can be...

When your done if you like pm me a copy and I will put it up on the Thule site, such a article needs to be up where it can always be read and not buried under messages. From: Yoyo <kung_fukistas_real@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 11:47:55 AM Subject...

I have found Sowilo is identical to the sun in energy and when one looks at the rune's properites it's very revealing on the subject, the Eyptians talked of the seven souls of Ra and even chakra is chak-RA. From: Infuriatedsekhmet Eglantine <infuriatedsekhmet1111@... To...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Satanicga ... =368297908 From: Infuriatedsekhmet Eglantine <infuriatedsekhmet1111@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 5:56:52 AM Subject: Re : [JoyofSatan666] To DON:Re: Re; To Maxine   Please, what is SGC ? Thank you ! hail...

Along with pming our members to harass them with kikery. From: binger123456 <binger123456@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 2:22:30 AM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: To Maxine   This troll is the quintessential kike, first he comes and causes trouble or makes...

Now you know why kikes have subverted even the most jew aware organizations in history, it even has got to your mind, with it's sympathy ploys and pretend friend tricks.   This kike needs to harass members because a power of the kike is it's mouth so it constantly needs to kike talk a person to...

I will add the Gentile Sumerian Scholar stated for Sitjewchin to make such a bs claim about Niburu he had to know he was outright fucking lieing. From: Don Danko <mageson6666@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 12:14:03 AM Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Important...

It has been found a person can hack with wireless transmission it was proven when experts found they could hack into the computer system inside cars and vans and overide the controls. There was a major news article on it not too long ago. Anyway the kikes are getting desperate, eitherway kike...

  Yoyo, you need to write on this more as this is important, I do believe that the Sun is the physical manifestion of the cosmic life force in the pure from. And it was honored as such by ancients[they where not worshipping "big ball of fire in sky that make tree grow" as morden scholars...

Sitchin was a jew, so naturally he would lie to advance jewish supremacy you see his one major lie at work to claim the chosenish of the jew and his work was designed to enforce the judeo-xian lies and subconscious and conscious jewish supremacy that is the bulkward of the jewish program in this...

Make sure to start with power meditations and build a daily aura of protection around yourself it is one of the most important things you will ever do. From: Siatris <rammesses666@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, March 26, 2011 11:57:43 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Im...

Keep kike callng it, it makes it harder for it to ingratiate into the forum. No different then pointing out to a person they have a wood tick on them. From: chalchiuhnenetzin <jaguarcat2002@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, March 26, 2011 8:26:06 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666]...

I am not a mod of this forum only the SGC, I suggest just sending an email to a mod with the evidence and links within and stating the case of kikery here. They are extremely busy people on top of that still have to approve hundreds of messages daily.   So it's not a purposeful thing, so it's...

It's a kike. From: blackkat_411 <egret23@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, March 26, 2011 7:20:13 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Re; To Maxine   ..HAIL SATAN!!! are you being sarcastic?? this is the way it may be perceived, many on here do not know which way to truly take...

How about we add Kike Bee is a Kike trying to weasel it's way into the place. From: The Black Bee <thebigblackbee@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, March 26, 2011 5:07:01 AM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: To Maxine   How about we add "HAIL MAXINE!" to our signatures in...

53 is the number of times this kike has been banned before. From: Yoyo <kung_fukistas_real@... To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, March 25, 2011 2:34:47 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: "53!"  

Kike Bee and his false claims. From: The Black Bee <thebigblackbee@... To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, March 25, 2011 10:12:59 AM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Boy that went to Heaven???   In an attempt to convert me, my xian mother once shared with me the story of a...

It's not welcomed it just managed to slip though it happens once and a while. From: Infuriatedsekhmet Eglantine <infuriatedsekhmet1111@... To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, March 25, 2011 3:10:25 PM Subject: Re : Re : [JoyofSatan666] Re: Fucking kikes   I AGREE. THE ENEMY IS...

Yeah it's the reality a kike can only be a kike and it's jew nature will always expose it in the end.   Good work exposing this kosher turd further. From: damnplanetsaturn <damnplanetsaturn@... To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, March 25, 2011 3:17:39 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666]...

If people look into the ancient meaning of God in the realation here, it means Perfected Being, hence the Godhead. This process was called the "Great Perfection of the Rainbow Body" in the East for a reason. Demon is another title for the Gods. From: chalchiuhnenetzin <jaguarcat2002@... To...

Good work warning people about Jones, I note in the past trolls tried to post a zillion links to his site as away to drip jewish misinfo into the forums and distract, decieve and lead people away under the guise of "helping" it's an old tactic. From: "mia_motherofone_daughterofnone@..."...

Yep the fact this "kike bee" lies every other claim and is pushing parastical kike magic alone says it all, it even admitted to being here on my accounts in the past[Iam sure it will create a new lie to cover for its bragging there too] anyway it's a kike. From: Infuriatedsekhmet Eglantine...

What bullshit, the only truth here is your what you have admitted to being a fucking kike troll. From: The Black Bee <thebigblackbee@... To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, March 25, 2011 9:01:59 AM Subject: Re : [JoyofSatan666] Re: Fucking kikes   I'm proud to have won this...

I recommend people "Alex Jones channel" on Uhube and educate people as to the truth of the jewish enemy and Satanism. Most people are there because they are looking for the truth. From: Yoyo <kung_fukistas_real@... To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 3:14:48 PM...

You two are allowing a admitted kike troll, kike bee to get to you, it's the spirit of the jew to incite divison, strife and hostiliy among Gentiles under the guise of peace, unity and brotherhood. Save it for our enemies. From: Infuriatedsekhmet Eglantine <infuriatedsekhmet1111@... To...

There originally was a 20 something fellow from New York a Gentile of Polish last name, his father had been a fire fighter who was killed in 911, his direct name escapes me at the moment.   He was the major head of the 911 for Truth movement but was found dead one morning in his bed, the cause...

Yeah that it to the point, it also brags it's been here trolling under different handles before. From: binger1234567 <binger1234567@... To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 6:00:08 AM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Fucking kikes   He's a troll probably, he either...

Yeah I believed that to be so, you have been here and banned more then once.   "I have been here much longer than you can fathom - in various incarnations". From: The Black Bee <thebigblackbee@... To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 10:15:34 PM Subject: Re ...

When you're ready to come down off your cross and  done whining like a facetious fool. Maybe you will stop being a parasite then....maybe. You're not my family, your a proud parasite. From: The Black Bee <thebigblackbee@... To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 9:18:27...

Growing up in xianity I heard these tales before, but yet when I look across the culturial/religious board people report identical experiences in whatever religion they are in. This has to do with the mind and the subconcious and how it interfaces on this moment. From: Joshua Cuono...

I will add during each aspect of the culture certian Gods/ess where evoked and honored.   For trails and cases of justice that God/ess was evoked, in the Germanic area Tiwaz was evoked during court cases and thus during any part of the judical system functioning. So I can see where the kikes try...

A lot of them are fake like the claims about the Phoenicians burning  their children alive as offerings. A major team on researchers dug up these area's and found the sites and the urns of the children, the testing done on the remains showed they died of natural causes and where cremated, or...

Maybe you should go back to your synagogue then, jew boy. From: The Black Bee <thebigblackbee@... To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 1:20:34 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Fucking kikes   Vampyric energy? Does that mean one can PRODUCE energy programmed to leech...

Did you give her runes and how to use them as well so she can help shield herself better? Such as the thorn rune. From: Gutter Rainbow <darkmonkey87@... To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 3:43:52 AM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Can Someone help my friend   She is in...

Ickey the Kikey admits in his early works he is a channler for angel[enemy ET] that poses as a ascended masterturd you see this a lot in the new aged as well,  and that it guides him in putting together his nonsense and that he literally never has questioned it just total deluded faith like an...

When the psychic power that animates xianity is gone, they will snap out of the spell it's like turning the radio broadcast off that locked them into that frequency. From: Allison P <apocalypseofjon@... To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, March 22, 2011 10:28:47 PM Subject: Re...

He also pushes a false kike psychology of the "self" vs "ego" there is no such thing it's a jewish repeat of xianity where internal false divide of sin vs pure it just divides a person against themselves and breaks them down into a nut house, you can make a health minded person insane. You have...

You will get a feel for their nasty vibe, just watch a kike lecture on something sneering, arrogant and over confident while lying a word a second.   From: Sven <belthazorthemighty@... To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, March 22, 2011 3:02:21 AM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: The...

Don't forget when the Jews where genociding the people of Gaza and using weapons on them banned by the Geneva convention for their cruelity and inhumanity they also boarded a  humanitarian aid convoy in open waters which was on the way to bring needed medical,  water and food supplies to...

 Here is article which  gives an indepth look into the subject matter.     http://gblt.webs.com/The_Jewish_Origins ... ianity.htm   The Jewish Origins of Christianity "In 380 C.E. Emperor Theodosius declared Christianity to be the official Roman state religion, and all Pagan cults were...

Hes nothing great or special just another kosher flake in along line. From: b D <vgb464@... To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, March 21, 2011 5:16:08 PM Subject: RE: [Satanicgaycommunity] Re: liar?   thank u very much. :* cas he even says hes brother is on duat and i have...

The jewsus character was stolen and corrupted  from Horus of Egypt when you get into it, as xianity was created by jews living in Alexandira. The popular image of jewsus as a Nordic you mention was taken from Zeus at Olympia of which title was Zeus Christos.  The reason it's so identical to all...

Another thing Tsarion does for his jewish masters is push the lie that Satanism is behind the NWO and all the other vile shit the jews do behind the fake label of Satanism as form of black propaganda against us. Like Ickey the Kikey. From: Don Danko <mageson6666@... To...

I should add never a planet in the sense of earth like one where life can exist. Which is obvious if you study the planet Juptier. From: Don Danko <mageson6666@... To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, March 21, 2011 2:57:05 PM Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Preparing for Nibiru  ...

Yes I have studied his works in depth and also himself to understand where he is coming from.   Tsarion work pushes a lot of jewish lies that are identical to the bibical lies that our Gods where cruel monsters and such, he also pushes communism inbetween the lines and creates a distraction to...

Nibiru does not exist it's a hoax sitchin created, the ancient Sumerians Nibiru was either the planet Juptier or a star, but never a planet. From: clint27w05 <clint27w05@... To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, March 21, 2011 11:11:54 AM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Preparing for Nibiru...

From looking at the S.American record left from the Aryans it stated they left for new lands after their homeland of Mu was destroyed, once again they where sanskrit speakers and their culture has been traced back into India. This homeland has been called by different names. From...

People should never cold turkey here,   If you find yourself in such a situation then ease it down in a smooth manner if you have to stop with the squares then do little extra of meditations daily afterward to keep a decent level of energy otherwise the sudden power drop after such a raise can...

http://www.666blacksun.com/Sun_Square.htm   http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satan.html From: alaeh20 <alaeh20@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 2:29:13 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] (unknown)   why use 666? what is the truth about it?

Just use the search function on the forums you will find it talked about in the past. From: freakyfelty666 <freakyfelty666@... To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 1:38:40 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Cobra Breath Technique.   Hello all, I was just wondering what...

Greetings interestingly enough I was a Odinist/Wotanist before coming to Spiritual Satanism here is a good article on the subject of your question.   ------------------------------------ As many of you are aware, "Satan" translates as TRUTH in Sanskrit, the original language of humanity. The...

I believe the power point should be used to raise public awareness and interest in Satanism. That way Satanism wins faster and then a Earth full of Satanist will naturalyl honor Her, the planet and animals. From: Shannon Outlaw <soutlaw92@... To: [email protected] Sent: Fri...

You're hitting a wall because your following 3/4 false leads and misinfo, the infomation that put it all together for me has only been out for not even several years.   I believe  Mantheo's history of the Egyptians records is not actually all in Egypt I watched a lecture by a scholar and...

Typical kikeop on Gentiles they create a false front to lure people into their cages and away from the truth. From: chalchiuhnenetzin <jaguarcat2002@... To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 4:43:32 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Temple of the Ancients   Maybe my...

I understand.   I just wrote an article this morning I have to put it up "Notes On Atlantis" which is designed to be a reader on the subject and things around it[bit of a rant]  the other articles I wrote will later be linked in for the more detail with refferences for people, it's a compangon...

This is a great video you do excellent work, it is powerful, here is a extra link you can add about the truth on NS and gays.   http://666moon.webs.com/Gays_NS_Germany.htm From: Gutter Rainbow <darkmonkey87@... To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 2:39:44 AM Subject...

It's not a theory. From: clint27w05 <clint27w05@... To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 1:12:22 AM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: The lost religion of Atlantis   That's an interesting theory on Atlantis Don, thank you! I've also researched information regarding the...

First thing no need to stress yourself out.   Practice the humming breath and get the Satanic Kabala CD if you do not already have it, different letters require different mouth positions: http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... n_CDs.html   Every Satanist should have a copy of this CD and...

Note Plato "philosophy" became the bedrock of the Vacticans intellectual based level for their program and this character is declared the founder of Western philosophy not only does his work correspond to the protocols but his book "The  Republic" lays out a system which is pure fucking...

And yes Satanism as Father himself states is:  "Mankinds original Religion" After years of  personal research on the subject it's as obvious as the day.   Also when I mention Plato and Solon I don't mean them being mediums just Casey, personally I believe from reviewing the evidence...

Here is the problem from hard won experience, the mainstream sources for "Atlantis" have been bullshit for along time, from Plato and Solon and Casey was enemy medium, the enemy fed him truthful info on small things[peoples aliments] to gain him credit within peoples minds as to open them, then...

As Yoyo stated your friend was attacked for coming closer to Satan and empowering his soul, the enemy has literally murder into the billions of innocent humans to turn earth into a spiritual void factory farm they murdered over 220 million in the last century alone via their jewish reptilian...

People die 3 ways either by the effects of old age, illness or violent misfortune. And varying combintations of those factors.   If you have got to a level where not only do you not age your aging has reversed there goes old age and illness[transformation of the genetic's stops these two...

Are they working for you? From: Sven <belthazorthemighty@... To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 9:35:47 PM Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Mantak Chia   Thanks. I figured as much. Shall I continue with the physical exercises?

Satanism is Paganism, however:   Only tell them what they want to hear or can handle, no point in starting a feud when your living there. What that something is.....is up to you. I suggest asking Hell for guidence.