Disrespect towards the Gods

[Zirgohed]

If one has been very disrespectful to the Gods and swearing because of lack of patience. And directing hateful feelings because they won't help remedy a situation due to the said disrespect. How does one reconcile? I know that talk is cheap and one has to show this reconciliation by working for them. What kind of online project would one take to be successful with such reconciliation.

 

[Kouros Aionios]

Why in the world would you disrespect the Great Gods who created us and want nothing but the best for us? This is a very bad move, one of the worst things you can do. Apologize to the Gods immediately. Do everything in your power to change this behavior, and understand that what you did was beyond unacceptable.

Even if you do all these things, in my opinion, it is still not enough. If you disrespected me and directed hateful feelings at me, I would want nothing to do with you. However, the Gods are the greatest judges; they will decide how to handle this.

It is very important to learn how to properly love the Gods, for they are the only reason we know what existence is.

 

[Heron]

If one has been very disrespectful to the Gods and swearing because of lack of patience. And directing hateful feelings because they won't help remedy a situation due to the said disrespect. How does one reconcile? I know that talk is cheap and one has to show this reconciliation by working for them. What kind of online project would one take to be successful with such reconciliation.

Reason governs emotion. That is what Zevism teaches, and losing yourself like this is a direct disrespect toward the gods. If you insult the gods out of frustration, you are taking them lightly. Ask yourself honestly: do you meditate? Do you study the ToZ website? Because someone who truly does will not end up in this position. Ask for forgiveness, and start working on yourself. If you let your emotions control you, you have no one to blame but yourself.

High Priest Zevios has spoken about noble speech, I suggest you read that.
On Noble Speech, Good Conduct, and Reverence to the Gods, against Αισχρολογία (Vulgar Speech)
and study : Temple Of Zeus , Ethics of the Gods.

 

[Black Magic]

If one has been very disrespectful to the Gods and swearing because of lack of patience. And directing hateful feelings because they won't help remedy a situation due to the said disrespect. How does one reconcile? I know that talk is cheap and one has to show this reconciliation by working for them. What kind of online project would one take to be successful with such reconciliation.

Disrespect for the Gods is disrespect for oneself, the great Atman that dwells within every living being is the manifestation of its divinity. Take a look at the Abrahamist, they're insult the Gods every day, physically, they feel great, but inside they’re completely empty

 

[Deep Darkness]

Learn from past mistakes, try not to repeat them and move on. Gods will punish people who commit serious crimes against them but not some stupid words or feelings. If you are sorry you are already moving the right way.

 

[New member]

If one has been very disrespectful to the Gods and swearing because of lack of patience. And directing hateful feelings because they won't help remedy a situation due to the said disrespect. How does one reconcile? I know that talk is cheap and one has to show this reconciliation by working for them. What kind of online project would one take to be successful with such reconciliation.

This is a very serious matter. I'll speak openly. You don't understand how big of a thing this is. We are not talking about a sin against people, animals, the universe, or any other great thing. We are talking about the greatest one: the Gods themselves.

Take your anger out on other things, not on them. You must know very well who you are addressing. They are not like the psychopathic god of the Abrahamic religions, but still, never do such things to them. Don't even let it cross your mind. You never want to be a soul that the Gods are wrathful towards or do not desire.

Apologize to them sincerely a few times and never repeat it again. Not doing it anymore and staying loyal to them may be what saves you. And love them.

They gave you this beautiful life, and that is why you know what existence is.

 

[The Alchemist7 [SG]]

If one has been very disrespectful to the Gods and swearing because of lack of patience. And directing hateful feelings because they won't help remedy a situation due to the said disrespect. How does one reconcile? I know that talk is cheap and one has to show this reconciliation by working for them. What kind of online project would one take to be successful with such reconciliation.

Unfortunately this is a very blurred vision and now how the relationship with the Gods work.

"Swearing because of lack of patience" denotes that one was likely just waiting for the Gods to act on their personal issue, do not do that. The most realistical way to regard and relate to the Gods is as Teachers. A teacher in a school provides you knowledge and education that you will use in life yourself to become a better person, the teacher will not do the homework for you or give you the solutions, but they will give you the knowledge you need to figure out the solutions yourself. The dynamics between humans and Gods are very similar.


"One does show reconciliation by working for them"
So you insulted the teacher and now you want to make up for it by "working for them". If the Gods were a teacher from the school how are you going to work for them? Cleaning their house? Help them mark assessments? No, you reconcile by apologizing and understanding what led you to the initial act so that you don't repeat it. Your real intention is a lot more powerful and honest to the Gods than some work for the Temple.

Also it needs to be clarified that nobody "works for the Gods" as if They opened the Temple of Zeus institution on Earth and we are their employees. The Gods don't need humans to work for them, we need Their guidance to better ourselves and the world around us, in the same way students need teachers to receive education and improve themselves. The Gods will be exactly the same with or without humans "working for them" (because there is no such thing).

Is the world currently a terrible place? Yes and it is not up to the Gods to come fix it, not only that They never created the mess in the first place but it was the humans who strayed away from their guidance and teachings who did, this is the bottom line. The Gods are more than willing to provide their help and guidance if there is someone to listen and apply them.

My personal advice is to write a honest prayer and do a standard ritual where you can apologize and ask to receive guidance and and understanding, and ask to receive signs on whether the prayer has been accepted or not.

As for working for the Temple, you can only if you are serious to get involved and not to make up for past mistakes and then likely drop after 2 weeks because "that will do", of course it is up to you here and it depends on your intentions.

 

[Zirgohed]

Unfortunately this is a very blurred vision and now how the relationship with the Gods work.

"Swearing because of lack of patience" denotes that one was likely just waiting for the Gods to act on their personal issue, do not do that. The most realistical way to regard and relate to the Gods is as Teachers. A teacher in a school provides you knowledge and education that you will use in life yourself to become a better person, the teacher will not do the homework for you or give you the solutions, but they will give you the knowledge you need to figure out the solutions yourself. The dynamics between humans and Gods are very similar.


"One does show reconciliation by working for them"
So you insulted the teacher and now you want to make up for it by "working for them". If the Gods were a teacher from the school how are you going to work for them? Cleaning their house? Help them mark assessments? No, you reconcile by apologizing and understanding what led you to the initial act so that you don't repeat it. Your real intention is a lot more powerful and honest to the Gods than some work for the Temple.

Also it needs to be clarified that nobody "works for the Gods" as if They opened the Temple of Zeus institution on Earth and we are their employees. The Gods don't need humans to work for them, we need Their guidance to better ourselves and the world around us, in the same way students need teachers to receive education and improve themselves. The Gods will be exactly the same with or without humans "working for them" (because there is no such thing).

Is the world currently a terrible place? Yes and it is not up to the Gods to come fix it, not only that They never created the mess in the first place but it was the humans who strayed away from their guidance and teachings who did, this is the bottom line. The Gods are more than willing to provide their help and guidance if there is someone to listen and apply them.

My personal advice is to write a honest prayer and do a standard ritual where you can apologize and ask to receive guidance and and understanding, and ask to receive signs on whether the prayer has been accepted or not.

As for working for the Temple, you can only if you are serious to get involved and not to make up for past mistakes and then likely drop after 2 weeks because "that will do", of course it is up to you here and it depends on your intentions.

Thanks I really appreciate.

 

[Zirgohed]

Any ideas on working for the temple, because I have been given signals upon signals to be very committed.

 

[Beauty]

Unfortunately this is a very blurred vision and now how the relationship with the Gods work.

"Swearing because of lack of patience" denotes that one was likely just waiting for the Gods to act on their personal issue, do not do that. The most realistical way to regard and relate to the Gods is as Teachers. A teacher in a school provides you knowledge and education that you will use in life yourself to become a better person, the teacher will not do the homework for you or give you the solutions, but they will give you the knowledge you need to figure out the solutions yourself. The dynamics between humans and Gods are very similar.


"One does show reconciliation by working for them"
So you insulted the teacher and now you want to make up for it by "working for them". If the Gods were a teacher from the school how are you going to work for them? Cleaning their house? Help them mark assessments? No, you reconcile by apologizing and understanding what led you to the initial act so that you don't repeat it. Your real intention is a lot more powerful and honest to the Gods than some work for the Temple.

Also it needs to be clarified that nobody "works for the Gods" as if They opened the Temple of Zeus institution on Earth and we are their employees. The Gods don't need humans to work for them, we need Their guidance to better ourselves and the world around us, in the same way students need teachers to receive education and improve themselves. The Gods will be exactly the same with or without humans "working for them" (because there is no such thing).

Is the world currently a terrible place? Yes and it is not up to the Gods to come fix it, not only that They never created the mess in the first place but it was the humans who strayed away from their guidance and teachings who did, this is the bottom line. The Gods are more than willing to provide their help and guidance if there is someone to listen and apply them.

My personal advice is to write a honest prayer and do a standard ritual where you can apologize and ask to receive guidance and and understanding, and ask to receive signs on whether the prayer has been accepted or not.

As for working for the Temple, you can only if you are serious to get involved and not to make up for past mistakes and then likely drop after 2 weeks because "that will do", of course it is up to you here and it depends on your intentions.

Thank you SG for your reply,
I believe we can work for the Gods, the Gods are not only teachers, this portrays them as passive, but instead they are teachers and generals, the Gods have a will, and when one channels the will of the Gods he does work for the Gods, and the Gods work through him. Working for them does not imply we are their employees, thinking we are the employee while manifesting their will is ego, and when one is fully aligned the ego is not there, so there is no employee, the employee idea emplies separation, while fully alignment is about unity. The teacher metaphor is not complete, it is just one aspect of the Gods, the Gods are more complex than that

[Is the world currently a terrible place? Yes and it is not up to the Gods to come fix it]

I do not think the world is a terrible place, this is a matter of perspective, many good people in the world report the world to be a good place, if one gets aware of the bad things happening that does not mean the world is terrible, there is knowledge and there is wisdom, ignorance may make one to think the world is good out of ignorance, this implies the judgment is extracted from the mind, and when the mind lacks data the judgement is distorted, and the world is labeled good in this case. when ones gains knowledge, given the fact he still judging using the same instrument, now the world is ‘bad’. When we add wisdom to the equation, this judgment is shaken,

If i ask why did you perceive the world currently as bad, you will give me a why. And you will be feeling its so convincing. When i tell you the animals eat each other, that is so bad, then i will be labeled a snowflake, and its very normal.

From the perspective of the animal the world is cruel, he is being eaten by another animal and species with higher consciousness approve of this and think its normal and natural. But the moment the antelope is running for his life, from his perspective thats peak cruelty.

If the antelope judgment is dumped because of ´we ´ the higher beings judge the act as natural. This makes us instantly lose the right to judge whats cruel in current life, if we see it from even higher perspective, even the Great people in ancient world like Alexander the Great, he is ´great’ just because you suppose he did not attack your family, if you were in ancient world and alexander came with his military against you, then he will become not great, so this is entitlement, thinking the antelope feelings does not matter and whoever care about it is weak, and then when it comes to you the universe should cry blood.

The world is not cruel, the world is always perfect. When ones dharma is for example restoring the original religion, and he faces opposition, that is not cruelty, that is how it normally works, and he should do what he should do, when a general goes to war and a whole army is coming against him, he should not talk about the cruelty of the world, he is a general and this is his job, and his job implies this.

And depending on the dharma, the perspective of the world will be so much different, a healer who was inventing medecine 1000 years ago, trying to heal his tribe, will see the world today as heaven, given how things related to his own field improved. The people who lived the world wars, will see a world without that already perfect. I invite you to ask a soldier, who lived that, many of them start seing a day where their life is not on line, already a good day, its all mental.

As for ‘ the Gods do not need us’, i see this just one aspect of the matter, the Gods do not need us yes, but also they do need us in other sense.

Thinking the Gods do not need us implies thinking so low of ourselves and thinking the Gods are passive.

If the Gods are active in the universe and are doing things, and if we can do certain things of those things, then the Gods need us, but not in the sense that the universe will crumble and they wait for us to help, i see this more as a universal will, if one is aligned his will becomes the will of Gods and the will of Gods is his will, i see it all comes down to being aligned with God Zeus.

If the Gods are active, and especially if we can also become Gods then the Gods do need us, the word ´need’ does not do the idea justice, since it implies lack, lets say the Gods want us to do certain things, so can work for the Gods.

The word ´work’ also does not do the idea justice, so lets say ‘ we let the Gods work through us’ by aligning ourselfs with them.

So the ones close to Gods, are doing something deeper than working for the Gods, they are literally more and more into letting divinity work through them.

The same way the enemy becomes a vessel of yehubor, one with the Gods can become a vessel of the Gods.

[Is the world currently a terrible place? Yes and it is not up to the Gods to come fix it]

The Gods are Gods, so they do fix it, its just that with our minds, we cannot ´judge ´ the Gods, take how potent our subsconscious compared to our conscious mind, the conscious mind process 10 bits per second, the subconscious process 11million bits per second. Let alone a higher intelligence ‘mind’.

The ritual of Goddess Nemesis and asking her for help is in fact literally this, the Gods entering to help. And if we take the analogy of children of the Gods to the peak, then yes the Gods have to fix it, they are their ‘parents’ and we are their children, a human mother and human dad will in fact do whatever he can to protect his child and will be invested in that, and if parents for example are rich they wont allow the child to go through poverty. So thinking the Gods will just allow things and neglect implies humans are more invested in their children than Gods are.

This is false of course, i see in forum the Gods sometimes are considerd only parents, and sometimes only teachers, and in JoS they were considered only as what they appear to be, and with new updates many are considering them only what they truly are.

This is not how it works, the Gods are in the same time Parents, in same time Generals and Military, and in the same time teachers, and in the same time what they appear to be, and in the same time what they truly are. They are complex. And thats why the teacher metaphor, sounds good, unless we start thinking of them only as that, then we find contradiction, same if we think of them only as parents, and so on..

[the teacher will not do the homework for you or give you the solutions]

This is an example, the teacher cannot do your homework, the Gods in fact many times do action on behalf of the initiate, so they do ´the homework’. This is why thinking of God simply as teachers, is not their full aspect.

For example when one calls on Nemesis for justice, Nemesis is in fact ´doing the homework of the student ´ she will defend him. Same as the whole concept of Guardian God. As well as for example when one encounters a bad entity, if he prays the Gods can smite it, thats literally doing something the initiate is supposed to do.

so they are very active not just passive, and can do things on behalf of the initiate, but if we consider this how they always truly are then we find contradiction again, the Gods are complex.

["Swearing because of lack of patience"]

In the member above case, the true reason was seing them as entities or ´demons’ solomon style, so one expects to give them tasks, and when they do not do the task assigned then they are to be blamed. This is the core of the problem. When in fact this is a big misunderstanding of the whole path. Weakness does not mix well with Zevism,

The way i view the whole matter is this, i do not keep thinking why the Gods did not help in this or that, i may think this, but given i trust them, i know there is a reason i am not consciously aware of.

And i am on a Godhead path, so i am a potential God, and i am currently on earth, given the fact i am a potential God. Then why not me being the one who do things expecting the Gods to do ? So its all up to me, as a potential God, to reach the Godhead, and do my part. Giving the fact i trust the Gods will is good, when its not manifested, there is always a reason, and i should through action, force that will into manifesting, by trying myself to make it manifest, thus doing the work of the Gods.

So if i am in true pain, call on Gods, and do not get help, i will in fact be concerned, and work even harder, since there is something, blocking the will of Gods from manifesting, not necessarily meaning the Gods cannot manifest their will, the Subject is complex, it can be simply me myself blocking that. Which as a potential God i always resort to as the reason, me myself being the cause. Which prompts me into action, and empowerment.

When one tries to do the work himself as a potential Gods, he start grasping the Gods and realising how truly kind, beautiful and lovely and powerful they are, and how holy the Gods are. This makes makes one treats them with reverence, recognising their essence, and truly knowing how the Gods are, instead of just doing their rituals because they are Gods.or because one needs help.

 

[Novice Priest Karnonnos]

Yes, you should work for the Temple and help us. The Gods do wish for humans to work... that is how divine influence manifests here through the Great Work.

Christians and Muslims 'blaspheme', catch their tongue out of fear, apologize, say they love God the most and then do it all over again because there is no rigor beyond routine. The mechanism is broken, commitment to what is embodied on earth through assistance shows character.

The Gods appreciate those who act to establish Theophoria by expanding their kingdom, showing you mean it. A perfect being cares for humanity's welfare out of their goodness, there is no welfare without work.