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[destroyer]

If the gods simply watch as certain artists are worshipped by millions of people in their place and do not show us their existence in a form in which all people would perceive it, then why should I still believe?

If the gods allow billions of people to believe in something that does not exist and in a farce like Jesus, then why should I not believe?

yes, maybe now you are saying that there are certain barriers and laws of the universe that prevent the appearances of gods in our world
but that is too much

I have endured too much
too many spells that did not work, too many cries to them full of pain and unanswered, too much information coming from all sides, too many fake, crazy, good, evil people, but no god.

My opinion is that we need something that will break all barriers and realities, something that will close the "mouths" of science and artificial intelligence.
something purely superhuman coming from the temple of Zeus.
When this force manifests itself, I will gladly follow this path until then...

"I will watch and do nothing."

the chains have fallen i have realized that i am not bound by any other religion or "truth" i am completely free a man drawn from a species that has developed over time

 

[The Alchemist7 [SG]]

Hello. I have read your post and I need to say and clarify to everyone based on my understanding that this is not how things work in the world/Universe.

The Gods are not attempting to supervise our world or manipulate or force certain decisions. The Gods have created Humanity (and possibly other civilizations too), but as with any other living being that exists under universal laws, we are sovereign lifeforms that are responsible for our decisions and our evolution. The Gods will help us improve and create a greater civilization granted we reach out to them with understanding of the implications and doing what we must do to evolve with Their guidance and knowledge, and not with Their direct intervention and pampering.

If we get to the lowest "izfetic" stupidity of destroying ourselves with nukes or similar, the Gods are not going to intervene to stop the loss of human life for example and also, what good would it be in Their intervention if humanity is so far under in the awareness scale that the people who press the buttons to send rockets left and right don't even believe in the Gods? Nobody will learn nothing from Their intervention (and even if they did, that still won't warrant any because that's not how things work), whereas, if ethical people with awareness and understanding of the Gods would be at the buttons, most of the world's issues are probably going to get resolved by diplomacy and without sending any rocket left and right. Nonetheless people who make themselves responsible for atrocities are going to be judged accordingly.

To make a comparison, if you think of a hive of bees, those bees are also sovereign entities that do what they have naturally evolved to do. We as humans (i.e much more advanced and elevated beings, sometimes) observe what they are doing but it does not mean that we should interfere in how a queen rules its hive or how a bee pollinates a flower or other things they is in their natural instinct to do. This also includes negativity such as when for whatever reason bees attack or kill each other, which does happen as well. It does not mean that we as superior forces should interfere with the course of nature and stop such negativity. The same dynamic exists between humans and the Gods: If we are ready and determined to evolve ourselves, They will help massively, offer knowledge (which you can see here on ToZ in many occasions), guide, offer affection and everything that striving beings that are strong in the spirit are worthy of receiving.

This works only when the determination comes from within us as sovereign beings, not when the determination is "inflicted" on us by superior beings, the Universe does not work like this. On the other hand if we reach depths of evil which is most of the time by our own degeneration the Gods have no obligation or interest to simply lift us out of the mess we created because we will get into that same situation straight away and no natural evolution happens. It's like trying to hide the drugs away from your drug-addict child, they are just going to go buy some more and continue on the self-destruction path. Whereas if you explain to him/her the risks involved on long term and offer to guide them, if they are beings with some self-awareness left within, they might understand and push themselves to stop addiction (any sort of addiction can only be stopped by your own personal willpower, no medical treatment or anything will simply make addiction disappear). This is how things work between humans and the Gods in my understanding.

I have endured too much
too many spells that did not work, too many cries to them full of pain and unanswered, too much information coming from all sides, too many fake, crazy, good, evil people, but no god.

One may cry to the Gods and most likely They have tried to reach out to guide and help, but how can this be utilized if your channels of receiving any sort of information from Them is blocked? If you read High Priest Zevios' sermon about how the Gods appear to us, on the scale of 1 to 5 what number do you consider you belong to?

How The Gods Appear To Initiates - The 5 Levels of Divine Revelation

THE FIVE LEVELS OF DIVINE THEOPHANY by High Priest Zevios Metathronos A Platonic Framework for Understanding How the Gods Appear - Based on the Divided Line (Republic 509d–511e) Temple of Zeus • Official Document Introduction: The Problem of Divine Appearance The Gods don't hide. They aren't...

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As about spells that did not work, it is actually not easy to make spells work. It requires not only doing the spell itself, but empowering your being not only spiritually (by meditation, yoga etc.) but also physically (overcoming poverty, eating healthy, training. etc). What is your history with these? How spells are "going to work" is a gradual process that builds on your spiritual and physical advancement.

 

[shazam]

Without mistakes, there is no learning; without learning, there is no growth. Walking hand in hand with the gods must be a conscious choice. These are the freedoms they have granted us as sovereign beings—freedoms they respect above all else. They inspire freedom, not slavery.
SG. The Alchemist7 is quite clear; I recommend that you read the sermons of our great clergy—you will find answers to many of your questions. May the Gods bless you and guide you; I pray to Lord Mithra that his light may dispel your doubts.

HAIL ZEUS! HAIL SATYA!

 

[destroyer]

what number do you consider you belong to?

Thanks for the answer and I appreciate the effort, but the answer is I don't belong.
I used to belong to number one, but that brought me paranoia and loss

How spells are "going to work" is a gradual process that builds on your spiritual and physical advancement.

that is, I basically trick my brain with different affirmations
to advance and get what I want
it turns out that Anton Lavey and science are right thanks for the answer

 

[destroyer]

Without mistakes, there is no learning; without learning, there is no growth. Walking hand in hand with the gods must be a conscious choice. These are the freedoms they have granted us as sovereign beings—freedoms they respect above all else. They inspire freedom, not slavery.
SG. The Alchemist7 is quite clear; I recommend that you read the sermons of our great clergy—you will find answers to many of your questions. May the Gods bless you and guide you; I pray to Lord Mithra that his light may dispel your doubts.

HAIL ZEUS! HAIL SATYA!

I certainly don't want your blessings and you will certainly pray in vain.

I have no doubt that I have simply matured. and realized the real secrets of human reality and how man works

However, I cannot come here after others have worked on this for decades to say that it is a mistake or something like that,
my upbringing simply does not allow it.
no matter how much I have lost or how much I have isolated myself because I have blindly believed

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

If the gods simply watch as certain artists are worshipped by millions of people in their place and do not show us their existence in a form in which all people would perceive it, then why should I still believe?

If the gods allow billions of people to believe in something that does not exist and in a farce like Jesus, then why should I not believe?

yes, maybe now you are saying that there are certain barriers and laws of the universe that prevent the appearances of gods in our world
but that is too much

The fundamental belief that the Gods have to convince every person, is similar as if saying humans have to prove themselves to all fish in the sea of superiority. Even if that were attempted, it likely wouldn't work.

By logical interpolations I can make 500 on why the Gods exist and you can make another 500 on why they might not exist.

These thoughts will come because primarily, how one sees the Divine is through distorted lenses which as I can see, have wrong pressupositions; for example that the Gods HAVE to help by mandate of force or proof of superiority, or that by saving them, I would be understood/appreciated/idolized; there are many assumptions in your approach.

Allow genuine curiosity to take place and re-approach with an open mind. Your mind has to be open. Don't expect to grow muscle solely by affirmations. A series of numerous assumptions, can lead to any of the 500 misplaced conclusions. This doesn't prove the validity of this place which is factual to others beyond a doubt.

 

[Black Magic]

If the gods simply watch as certain artists are worshipped by millions of people in their place and do not show us their existence in a form in which all people would perceive it, then why should I still believe?

If the gods allow billions of people to believe in something that does not exist and in a farce like Jesus, then why should I not believe?

yes, maybe now you are saying that there are certain barriers and laws of the universe that prevent the appearances of gods in our world
but that is too much

I have endured too much
too many spells that did not work, too many cries to them full of pain and unanswered, too much information coming from all sides, too many fake, crazy, good, evil people, but no god.

My opinion is that we need something that will break all barriers and realities, something that will close the "mouths" of science and artificial intelligence.
something purely superhuman coming from the temple of Zeus.
When this force manifests itself, I will gladly follow this path until then...

"I will watch and do nothing."

the chains have fallen i have realized that i am not bound by any other religion or "truth" i am completely free a man drawn from a species that has developed over time

We do not believe, we know that Gods exist, things are we doing, we doing because that's ours dity, I'm for example don't do translations because I receive money, i just want the other people know the truth. If you will do nothing, you will get nothing, it's the same if you wanna grew up the tree without giving it water

 

[destroyer]

The fundamental belief that the Gods have to convince every person, is similar as if saying humans have to prove themselves to all fish in the sea of superiority. Even if that were attempted, it likely wouldn't work.

By logical interpolations I can make 500 on why the Gods exist and you can make another 500 on why they might not exist.

These thoughts will come because primarily, how one sees the Divine is through distorted lenses which as I can see, have wrong pressupositions; for example that the Gods HAVE to help by mandate of force or proof of superiority, or that by saving them, I would be understood/appreciated/idolized; there are many assumptions in your approach.

Allow genuine curiosity to take place and re-approach with an open mind. Your mind has to be open. Don't expect to grow muscle solely by affirmations. A series of numerous assumptions, can lead to any of the 500 misplaced conclusions. This doesn't prove the validity of this place which is factual to others beyond a doubt.

You are mostly right, but why should I listen to you?
If I listen to you and follow your advice, guidance, sermons, and act exactly as you say, with an open mind, do you guarantee that I will get what I want and that my life will change for the better?

 

[destroyer]

Noi nu credem, știm că există zei, facem lucruri, le facem pentru că asta e treaba noastră, eu, de exemplu, nu fac traduceri pentru că primesc bani, vreau doar ca ceilalți să știe adevărul. Dacă nu faci nimic, nu vei primi nimic, e la fel dacă vrei să crești copacul fără să-i dai apă.

I spent 70 days performing rituals to attract money. I would go to work for 10 hours, come home, and immediately start my spells. Sometimes I’d even fall asleep in the middle of them, wake up, and start all over again.
This went on for 70 days straight, until I realized I was still in the exact same spot. You think I’m doing nothing? Those are just the same useless assumptions. I’m a man who sometimes works two shifts in a row.
Mainly, what I gathered from what you wrote is this: if you don’t help T.O.Z., you get nothing (typical LaVey).
But here is my question for you, my friend: Where was T.O.Z. when others were punching and kicking me all over my body? Where was T.O.Z. when I was starving and being mocked?
I wish you nothing but the best, brother. I truly hope you never have to go through what I did. The point is, this whole situation showed me that I am alone and that I have no one, no matter who God is."

 

[Meow!]

Dude seriously?! Destroyer look open your eyes, scroll thru the forum and look at the posts of people whom have had their lives touched by the gods then look at the ones like you who fight back. The difference you'll see is that the ones who embrace the Path find more Life in Life itself. This isn't about getting millions, sex, or whatever but by uplifting our very souls and bringing to this world back the light of the real, true Gods of this world. Sure doing so can get you a lot of things but you have "put legs on those prayers". Come on dude don't turn this into another Stranger thread. Please just read the TOZ and try. How about this, for the rest of this year you put in the work the actual work that the forum and TOZ talks about and by December see how you feel. Not outside stuff but how you feel inside. Put in the real honest work and see what happens.


Hail Father Zeus

 

[destroyer]

The fundamental belief that the Gods have to convince every person, is similar as if saying humans have to prove themselves to all fish in the sea of superiority. Even if that were attempted, it likely wouldn't work.

By logical interpolations I can make 500 on why the Gods exist and you can make another 500 on why they might not exist.

These thoughts will come because primarily, how one sees the Divine is through distorted lenses which as I can see, have wrong pressupositions; for example that the Gods HAVE to help by mandate of force or proof of superiority, or that by saving them, I would be understood/appreciated/idolized; there are many assumptions in your approach.

Allow genuine curiosity to take place and re-approach with an open mind. Your mind has to be open. Don't expect to grow muscle solely by affirmations. A series of numerous assumptions, can lead to any of the 500 misplaced conclusions. This doesn't prove the validity of this place which is factual to others beyond a doubt.

Can you please exclude me from this site?

 

[Henu the Great]

You are mostly right, but why should I listen to you?
If I listen to you and follow your advice, guidance, sermons, and act exactly as you say, with an open mind, do you guarantee that I will get what I want and that my life will change for the better?

There are countless testimonials by members attesting to a real change. I encourage you to search for various experiences. People are not talking just for the sake of talking, after all.

 

[616Taysha]

do you guarantee

No, no one can guarantee you anything, just as you cannot guarantee that you will follow HPZM's and Gods' advice to the letter. No one can give anybody this certainty.

One of the three things 100% certain in this life are suffering, or struggle. This is something that can actually make us stronger.

Instead of counting on somebody's promises, do your best to become the best version of yourself, despite flaws, despite failures which WILL come.

Zevism is about strength and perseverance.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

I spent 70 days performing rituals to attract money. I would go to work for 10 hours, come home, and immediately start my spells. Sometimes I’d even fall asleep in the middle of them, wake up, and start all over again.
This went on for 70 days straight, until I realized I was still in the exact same spot. You think I’m doing nothing? Those are just the same useless assumptions. I’m a man who sometimes works two shifts in a row.
Mainly, what I gathered from what you wrote is this: if you don’t help T.O.Z., you get nothing (typical LaVey).
But here is my question for you, my friend: Where was T.O.Z. when others were punching and kicking me all over my body? Where was T.O.Z. when I was starving and being mocked?
I wish you nothing but the best, brother. I truly hope you never have to go through what I did. The point is, this whole situation showed me that I am alone and that I have no one, no matter who God is."

Yes but at the same time, on these 70 days, did you absolutely change anything; as in, attempting to achieve new knowledge, acting on input that might have entered your mind, or anything of this? Most likely no. You were just waiting. Waiting has to be combined with actual actions toward the goal.

To overturn a severe financial downturn, with Magick and make it permanent, it can take at least 1 year. For outsiders, it might never occur if they don't change anything unless they inherit.

Proof of the influence of the Gods is when you can lift yourself through and I believe that in these messages this is what you seek. Like you complain the community does not exist and here it is answering you, for example.

On a personal note I have lived through way worse situations; deaths, tragedies, fights, astral or material issues of heaviest forms. The list is long. Others have also, that did affect them but did not stop them. The first year I dedicated, was the most chaotic and violent of my life; the same was for the second year. Didn't blame the Gods for it or people back then, it is what it is and life has that embed inside.

Do not assume suffering won't happen, you have difficulties like everyone else, the unanimous suffering of the whole world does not belong to a singular person. What that others might not have went through the same things and overcame them, is proof of this.