Seriously Advanced concern, Blissful states reduce my productivity, how to solve this ?

[ΑΝΑΣΤΑΣΙΣ]

Hail Zeus
Hail Pazuzu

As a consequence of the techniques I have been practicing, I am entering prolonged states of bliss. On average, I spend most of my day in this condition. Sometimes, days without disruption..

This presents an unexpected challenge: hard work has become way harder.

When I am in the blissful state, I feel so fulfilled, so complete, that the urge to engage in worldly action simply dissolves. I want to lay down. I want to watch the ocean. I want to walk in nature and i melt into everything. There is no "lack" driving me, so there is no motivation to do.

I have discovered I can access a different state,one I think of as "the Witness." It feels like a step down vibrationally from bliss, but I am unsure if that is accurate or just my preference speaking.

In the Witness state:

· I observe my body and emotions as if they do not belong to me.

· Tiredness arises, but I witness it without feeling it, so I simply do not stop working, i see tiredness the same way i see my phone, both not me..

· Time slows dramatically; an hour can feel like an eternity.

· Pain tolerance skyrockets, same from productivity, i just keep doing massive work

· However, "bad" emotions often begin surfacing. My body feels like it is detoxing,releasing old densities. And also when my body reacts badly to an event, i do not re-align my body, i let it do what it wants, same even for thoughts, i let them do what they want..
The reason i believe i detox during this is when i see somethings they trigger in me feelings that i felt in the past in relation to the same things, i let that be and happen again and again until the reaction disappears, so its like if i free the emotions i guess.. that happened to me frequently in the solar plexus

This raises my question: Is the Witness state vibrationally "good" or "bad"? In the moment i am just the witness, purely the witness what am i vibrating at that specific moment , what is happening to my aura ? What is happening to my chakras ? Even the happy feelings i stop identifying with, i laugh while holding the witness watching myself laugh, however in the blissful state i lose myself when i laugh, i melt its like if i lose consciousness its hard for me to describe

From one perspective, I am not identified with the feelings and thoughts, so I am not vibrating them. I am simply allowing them to pass through. But their presence makes me question whether I have dropped to a lower frequency, or whether this is simply purification occurring within a neutral/high state. Is the state itself bad or neutral or high? The state of witnessing whether good or bad feelings..

In contrast, the blissful state requires no witnessing. There is no "I" watching. There is only melting. I am everywhere. It feels like fantasy land, colours become more beautiful, even something as lame as doors in my house start being beautiful. And i start questioning were the doors always this beautiful? It feels infinitely better, so good that the impulse to do anything vanishes entirely.

How do you navigate this?

How do you maintain the discipline of worldly action when you are already complete? And is the Witness state, with its detox symptoms and emotional releases, a healthy tool for functioning or a sign of misalignment?

I am not seeking to escape the bliss, it feels so good, I am seeking to understand how to move between these states with wisdom, so that neither spiritual fulfillment nor worldly duty is neglected.

Another difference between the two states, the bliss arise as a consequence of alignment and spiritual discipline, if i neglect my meditations and drop the quality of my thoughts and emotions, it makes me drop out of the state, however, i can access the witness state whenever i want, even if i am misaligned or angry, i just can lock there fast.

I noticed also the blissful state feels feminine , while the witness state feels overwhelmingly masculine

I noticed girls feel that too, when i am locked in witness i get a weird eye contact like if they are in awe and they do not break the eye contact, once a girl was shivering from cold the moment we locked eye contact she stopped shivering, and was looking in awe , it made me laugh, but the blissful state doesnt interest them as much

There is another difference between the two states, in the blissful i start seing all people beautiful, and i am less vigilant, i start failing to see the flaws, or even if i see them i just do not care i start seing everything is more pure, its like if i become more delusional, life becomes enhanced , so beautiful

How can i use both states appropriately ?

 

[ΑΝΑΣΤΑΣΙΣ]

My own face too change when i am in the blissful state, thats one of the weird things that happens, when i look in mirror in normal state, my face looks normal, when i look when i am in the state, it seems like my face arranged itself, i keep admiring myself in the mirror every feature seems better, i know this is not masculine thing to do, but it gets me surprised to the point i get curious and keep watching the details, when i drop out of the state, its like if someone messed up with my physical appearance

 

[AFODO]

You need to get back down to earth.

Anchor Meditation – Layer 1: Breath, Body, Material Existence

 

[ΑΝΑΣΤΑΣΙΣ]

Why would i quit states that give me siddhis ?

I have just read the page, and based on your reply ‘ come back to earth ‘, is this for people who daydream while feeling dissociation ? In both states i cannot daydream, in both states i am completly aware of my thoughts, and in both i am here not up there..

my experience is different than simple dissociation that feels like disorientation and dizziness , i am discussing advanced confirmed states, i just do not know their names in sanscrit yet, bliss is a state, the witness is a state, dissociation can exist even if one feels none of the above, i know this since i experienced it too and that is bad, its like just being dizzy and being misaligned its a mess, the above is not about dissociation, its literally bliss i am suspecting this is samadhi , it is not feeling good, its literally bliss, it is not feeling sooo good, its literally complete bliss complete fulfillment, and the witness is not dissociation, and its not just being present in the moment, its literally the witness, its different than seing your body with your eyes, its deeper than that, none of the above is philosophical, those are intense experiences accompanied by real siddhis. And in bliss and the witness both i can feel the body and operate from it

In the witness literally i am aware of the body 24/7 every second to the point i start hearing my breath and feeling it, sometimes i start breathing like if sleeping, and i continuously hear it, i start being fully aware of the thoughts too, no thought pop up without me being aware.. literally no thought can escape my awareness , sometimes i even hear some thoughts that are tuned down i suspect its my subconscious i hear very low volume thoughts running but this i experience rarely

In the blissful state it is different, i am not consistently witnessing the body, but still i can workout etc.. i do not daydream and go up there i know that, i do not dream and escape, and feel good ‘there’, i am viewing the world from my own eyes while being in that state

Also i do not lose myself in thoughts, in the blissful state my mind is shut, i think nothing, i, from time to time, insert the thoughts that i want..

As for dissociation i am experiencing it always, and when i am neither in the bliss nor in the witness , and i check social media while not being aligned, in that i experience what the meditation in website aims at solving.. also i am unsure if what i experience in both states is called dissociation, in the bliss, i am in the body and beyond, not just out of it, in the witness i am just the witness there is no dissociation to begin with, its just the witness , the witness have no concepts or feelings, i do not know how to explain, i cannot know or think i am having this or that, i can only observe myself thinking i am having this or that

in bliss and witness, both i am too aware of thoughts and actions, and there is literally no day dreaming, i even start hearing birds and noticing sounds around me which is the opposite of the daydreaming and being ´there’ i really know what the page is talking about

In both the states i am more aware of surroundings & internal mental shatter , in both i am aware and disciplined, its just that when i am in bliss, if you tell me to metaphorically speaking lead a war, i will be like , why? All is perfect, but in the witness , i do not mind any task i just fulfill i do not care about the feeling the experience will give or the struggles linked to it

I am not talking about the state of dissociation, i am talking about state of bliss, and state of The witness, feeling dissociation alone i agree is bad, and i do not like it, it happens when i lose bliss and i am not in witness, and i overcome this by going back to bliss or witness instead of going to the body since i can feel the body easily anyway i think the people who feel stuck and disoriented while daydreaming will find the meditation helpful, what the meditation in ToZ seem to solve, i solve just by aligning my thoughts and disciplining my mind but i can understand the confusion a beginner will get being in dissociation and not understanding how its solved and feeling like if disoriented..

I said that when i laugh during the bliss i melt i. The laugh so i am lost in the body while melting with the whole, its hard for me to put these states in words, so i do not escape body in bliss i am also the body, in the witness its different but still i witness body consistently aware of it consistently, so the body is integrated in both, i am sure there is no meditation in the world that can make me more aware of my body than being in the witness, who can hear his breath consistently…

 

[ΑΝΑΣΤΑΣΙΣ]

My question is how to use each one, and in the witness whats happening to my aura & chakras, what am i vibrating? Should i worry about having bad energies and thoughts during it or its a symptom of being in the state ? I seek to understand them to use them effectively..

 

[ΑΝΑΣΤΑΣΙΣ]

‘By systematically anchoring awareness to the breath, the weight of the body, and the internal rhythm of the pulse, this practice shatters that illusion.

It is a direct, undeniable experience of being a physical object subject to gravity, time, and biological process’
-From ToZ

In the witness i literally experience this 24/7, every second, i do not have to be aware of the breath, i am consistently aware of it and even hear the sound of the breath.. i also like it , it sounds calming

 

[ΑΝΑΣΤΑΣΙΣ]

I got no answer in a forum where members are very helpful and engaging,

is what i am experiencing more advanced than i realise?

are many experiencing this and being silent about it while im loud?

 

[Khem Nefermed]

I got no answer in a forum where members are very helpful and engaging,

is what i am experiencing more advanced than i realise?

Most members don't want to be disrespectful and say that you're exaggerating your experiences, although that is more or less the correct answer.

your original posts

What you are technically describing here is a state of Samadhi, or meditational bliss.
There are many levels to Samadhi, and certain people who are of the psychic or very psychic type (see your meditation type) could theoretically touch some of the lower types of Samadhi even early on in their practice.

The thing is, we have to separate what you are actually experiencing with how you are actually describing.

The bold truth that most people here don't want to say (because they don't want to "seem rude" or don't know how to explain this properly so they would just sound accusatory to you) is that you are definitely not as advanced as you might guess, and while it is nice that you are analyzing yourself, you are overanalyzing things and coming to your own conclusions.

What you are actually experiencing is a state of high bioelectricity. You either meditated a bit too much, or you are just reactive to meditation.

For most people, this would manifest much more negatively. Volatile emotions, anxiety, neurotic thought patterns, and so on, because the nervous system is overwhelmed by a new stimulus.
For you, it seems not to. You might have naturally low anxiety and might not be the very emotional type. You are also clearly very self-reflective and introspective, so higher bioelectricity manifests in you as a very clear understanding and high attention over your natural mental state. That would be what you call the witness state.

Your bliss state is likely not actual Samadhi. I've tapped levels like Savichara Samadhi, and if you were genuinely in a state like that for hours or days, you would not be able to move or eat, and certainly not be able to think the way you do.

What you are actually most likely experiencing in the bliss state is your body and soul reacting to a new influx of Prana. As HPS Lydia has stated in a sermon, we receive prana through eating, consuming entertainment, and so on. You can compare it a bit to dopamine, although I would guess that the processes happening body-wise are more complex than simply dopamine.
You took meditation seriously for a bit and established an uptake of Prana, and noticed that you now don't feel the same need for "normal" sources of Prana, aka just living life. This is natural, but you shouldn't take your own emotions too seriously.

Most people early on do not experience this because they are not very good at trance and don't get serious enough when meditating. I know I was, like many others, "fake meditating" for months before I truly solidified things, and weird experiences (which for most people, is ANYTHING happening) are a natural thing that comes from this.

I can't say whether you're meditating too much because I don't know your routine and don't know how you feel inside. Wouldn't be a bad idea to experiment with meditating a bit less and seeing how things change.

For your kind of personality type to be able to take the higher energetical states and still take advantage of them in day to day life, grounding is necessary.
Learning how to focus with Awareness meditation is not a bad idea, the Anchor and Dot meditations are quite useful for your situation, as they will be able to teach you how to be in a meditative state like this and yet still laser focus on a task.
What would be the best solution is Yoga, if you aren't already doing it. Even if you are, you should focus more on grounding poses, increasing Earth and reducing Air, as the things you describe are one way exacerbated Air manifests. HPS Lydia has a great sermon on this.

As for just general advice of mentality, don't take yourself too seriously. The kind of things you write here should absolutely be written in your journal, but don't take your current interpretations as law. Months later, you will look back at your writings and see yourself as ignorant, and that's a sign you're improving.

 

[Henu the Great]

Your bliss state is likely not actual Samadhi. I've tapped levels like Savichara Samadhi, and if you were genuinely in a state like that for hours or days, you would not be able to move or eat, and certainly not be able to think the way you do.

This. When the pineal gland is activated to even a small extent beyond what one normally experiences, one is incapacitated from normal daily functions.

 

[ΑΝΑΣΤΑΣΙΣ]

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Do you know you disrespected me so much in this reply?

Following is all my own understanding, opinion and perspective, it can be wrong.

You were blunt, based on your reply, you said most members did not want to be disrespectful, they ´avoided’ replying, but you are strong, you are a Hero and you can point what others do not dare to point, and you have a scary profile picture too.

I will try to be as soft as i can, i hope you can handle my soft side.

First, You SHOULD respect everyone in the forum, not only old members or members bearing titles, choose not to and you will be humbled by an unranked General. Know that many here do not hold titles yet are advanced, its not a necessity that one should join the clergy if he is advanced, i am not talking about myself here, I will also try my best to make sure not to be the one who humbles you.

I will close this thread with this message:

I had re-read my thread a few times, and I realised many will read it and be focused on the fruits and neglect the very tree that gave them. I want to give a tip to people who will read this and appreciate some siddhis and want similar.

From my own experience, you never attain the siddhis; they are always consequences. You need to take care of the cause, and the siddhis rise on their own. I do not know how that happens or who is responsible for it, but this is the truth. You cannot ‘attain’ siddhis; you can attain levels that, by consequence, give you the siddhi.

Or to be accurate, the closer you get to the truth the more siddhis will arise. Trying to do the siddhi will result in you losing the very cause from where it did arise. As I said above, I did not attain any; they all arise on their own. As a consequence.

Also, there is nothing that will kill the siddhi like the ego.( i do not mean the healthy ego) If you keep jumping here, mocking members and feeling you are special because you have a siddhi, good luck experiencing it again.( you will after a little while, i meant you will experience a setback) From my own experience, even telling someone in real life that you experienced it may make you lose it for a while, let alone being arrogant and thinking you are somehow special. That way of thinking is against the same consciousness from where the one experiencing the siddhis operates. Or even against the consciousness which may be helping you in performing the siddhis.

You need to develop enough self-awareness to not engage in arrogance, whether it is an arrogant arrogance, or an arrogant humbleness.

The arrogant humbleness is like: "I experienced this. Oh, the ones who experience more, they are real masters. I hope to get one percent of their powers." This can be pure, but for many, it is just that they want to be arrogant, but they know they will be mocked or humbled, or they just will look bad, so they channel it into the opposite, trying to play it humble. This also messes up the siddhis. Being arrogantly humble and being arrogantly arrogant, are two sides of the same coin, arrogance.

I can guarantee that no one in the universe with an attitude of arrogant humbleness,which always includes mocking people on lower levels ,will reach high peaks; they will always experience stagnation. Besides some cases that i prefer not to talk about, since i will not stop talking.

Also, the siddhis have a strange feeling to them. It is as if they are happening through the grace of a higher power. It is like they happen on their own. You take the first step, and something else some higher power takes the second. I notice this whenever I want a siddhi to manifest in a certain way, and it manifests in another way instead one that is either better, or one whose purpose I simply cannot understand at the time.( some siddhis one can control 100%, i am refering to the others, please while reading, try to get the ideas, since this subject is complex i cannot back up every single thing i say, it will make me write very long text… )

I do not know if this is the "universe" or the Gods. I just cannot grasp what is behind it. But if it confirms anything, it confirms this: siddhis are never something you do. ( besides in relation to the siddhis one can fully control, as i said please see the big image, do not focus on phrases and take them literally)

Observe your own siddhis. Try to control them completely, all of them. Try to use them based on your mood, to summon each one whenever you like. You will be humbled, one way or another. And that humbling will knock you out of the arrogance, and if you are wise enough, this will make you go back to the state you were in when you had such holy experiences.

Note: training yourself to get a siddhi is good, just to avoid my message being misunderstood.

To avoid misunderstanding and to perform a zoom out to see the picture i am trying to present here is an example:

the people who wanted the Succubi/Incubi to use them as sex slaves. Trying to use the siddhis in a bad way, or from a bad consciousness, is the same. It is the same state of being, manifesting through different practices.

Influencing reality with thoughts, this for example i trained myself for ( the other siddhis arised on their own as a consequence of spiritual development) So there is nothing wrong with trying to perform the siddhi by training yourself for it, the same way there is nothing wrong with wanting a relationship with Succubi/Incubi. The reasoning and mindset behind the desire, and the mindset and attitude after achieving it, is what can be a problem. Good luck!

@Khem Nefermed , I held my tongue yesterday when you disrespected another member. He was respectful, and you tore into him to make yourself look heroic. I suppressed my anger then, thinking it best to move on. But today, fate places me here again, and I will no longer be silent.

First: Ask the Gods about me.

If you truly believe I exaggerate my experiences, take it to the source. I have shared fragments, minor things, compared to what I actually experience. If you are confident in your assessment, verify it. If you find I speak truth, then let this be a lesson in humility. If you find I am deluded, then I will accept that. But do not hide behind assumptions when there are many ways for you to verify.

Now, your reply.

You speak as if you know what other members think. You put words in their mouths, "most members don't want to be disrespectful", as if the entire forum shares your skepticism. That is not unity. That is you building a shadow army to give weight to your words. You project your doubts onto others and call it truth.

You say I am likely early in practice, experiencing mere bioelectricity, overanalyzing, exaggerating. You say this with certainty, as if you have seen my soul. You have not. You look at my words through the lens of your own experience and conclude that what you have not reached must be impossible.

I tell you plainly: The Witness state is not "high attention over your natural mental state." It is the Witness. It is watching thoughts arise without being them, watching the body tire without being tired, watching emotions detox without identifying. If you have not experienced this, you cannot properly analyze it. That is not arrogance, that is simply how these things work.

You call my bliss state "likely not Samadhi" after first calling it Samadhi. You speak of your experience with Savichara Samadhi and conclude that because you could not move or eat in that state, I must not be experiencing what I claim. First, you assume I am locked in bliss permanently. I am not. I move between states. I analyze them when I return. Your thinking is linear: if A experienced B in C way, then anyone experiencing B must experience it exactly as A did. That is not wisdom. That is rigidity.

You suggest I meditate less. Because I have siddhis, because I experience bliss, because I can witness without attachment, your advice is to reduce what produces these results. Think carefully about what you are recommending. Should a musician stop playing because the music is too beautiful? Should an athlete stop training because the body grows strong?

You speak of anchoring . I have answered this already. In Witness, I am more aware of my body than ever, I hear my own breath continuously, I feel every sensation. In Bliss, I am fully present, not dissociated. I am not floating away. I am more here than I have ever been.

And finally: your closing remark. "Months later, you will look back at your writings and see yourself as ignorant." That is not advice. That is a curse dressed in kindness. You project failure onto my future and call it growth. One who truly wants to provide guidance, lifts.

Satan's desire is unity: "It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." Your behavior fractures. Your words divide. You may not be with the enemy, but your consciousness still carries enemy traits, invalidation disguised as analysis, condescension disguised as guidance.

I am not here to humble you. I do not want to be the one who shakes you. But you keep disturbing the balance, and the universe corrects imbalances. If not through me, then through another. Continue this path and you will be humbled, not by me, but by the very order you disrupt.

Ask the Gods about me. If I am deluded, let them show you. If I am not, let that sit with you.

I will not reply further in this thread. I have said what needed saying. And i also learnt my lesson

 

[luis]

Being a God or in general very advanced is not to be 24/24 hours in a state were you can't do nothing all day. I'll keep it simple. I'm not doubting your experience but you should know how to lay back a bit so you can do other things in your life. Material and spiritual should be united. There should be balance.

 

[Khem Nefermed]

1. Why are you using ChatGPT to write?

2. Alright, I recant my statements. You clearly are very advanced, I don't need to ask the Gods to know that. I will no longer reply either, because clearly you are dealing with things on a much higher level than me. You have humbled me, unranked General.

 

[ΑΝΑΣΤΑΣΙΣ]

Being a God or in general very advanced is not to be 24/24 hours in a state were you can't do nothing all day. I'll keep it simple. I'm not doubting your experience but you should know how to lay back a bit so you can do other things in your life. Material and spiritual should be united. There should be balance.

Yes this is exactly my weakness now, the integration of the states and balance..