The change from JoS to ToZ is mysterious indeed.

[Username]

I have recently come to the forums after a year or two. The change from JoS to ToZ is very mysterious to me. As such, there are few questions I would like to ask the members.

1. What exactly brought this change ? Exactly which event transpired which caused this change ?

2. Why did Satan abdicate from the top throne as the head god ? Wasn't he the top leader of the Nordic Gods ? So is he fired from the job and has Zeus come to take over his job?

3. On the topic of dedication, before it was ''Dedicate your soul to Satan". Now, its only "Dedicate". Dedicate exactly what ? Before it was clearly specified, "Dedicate your soul to Satan". The dedication item being soul. Now, you dedicate exactly what ? Is it the same as before, the soul or is it something new, for example life or money. Or do you dedicate nothing at all ?

4. How can dedication have any meaning when you dedicate yourself to so many things ? Aren't you just two timing, three timing or even multiple timing ? Isn't that cheating ? You are dedicating to so many things. Wouldn't your loyalty dilute like salt in water ? Do you choose days ? Today, I will dedicate to Satya. Tomorrow, I will dedicate to Zeus. The day after, I will dedicate to multiple gods. Exactly what are you dedicating and how can you dedicate to so many Gods in a single day ? What the fuck ?

5. What happens to those who have dedicated their soul to Satan before ? Where do they stand now ? Shouldn't they renounce their dedication ritual now that Satan has descended before dedicating to so many things i.e, Satya, Zeus and multiple Gods ? How do those who dedicated their soul to Satan feel now that they aren't even represented in the website ?

6. There's a contradiction in the website. On the main page, it says that the head God is Zeus. But in the Demons section, Satan is still at the top? Shouldn't he be kicked to the second rank while Zeus assumes the number one rank ?

So many questions. The answers will surely be interesting.

 

[OttoHart]

1. Ever since 2002, JoS was about restoring the ancient culture of the ancient Gods. We used the name "Satan" to show that we are not scared of the Enemy's corruption, and to point it out. The jews were spiritually defeated, time to move on.

2. Satan and Baalzebul, and Zeus, are the same being. Satan is Zeus, HPHC and other Clergy have posed evidence of this. The Gods are complex, and our understanding of them evolves.
Satan, Satya, Baal Zevulon, Zeus, Thor, Odin etc. is our head God. Check out the new site.

3. Dedicate your soul to Zeus and the Gods.

4. Dedication is to life, to the Gods of life, the Gods of humanity, and to following the path of truth. We simply pointed out that the Truth was labeled Satan. Nothing changed.

5. Same as above, nothing changes.

6. Same as above, they are the same being.

 

[BlackSnake]

The Tripartite Nature Of Zeus: Satan/Beelzebul & Satanic Lore
Temple Of Zeus Is Now Live
Q&A: Temple of Zeus, by HP HC
Zeus, Satya, Reforms & The Time Before "Satanism" - Moving Into the Golden Age [Update 1: Resources]

 

[Basileus]

I have recently come to the forums after a year or two. The change from JoS to ToZ is very mysterious to me. As such, there are few questions I would like to ask the members.

1. What exactly brought this change ? Exactly which event transpired which caused this change ?

2. Why did Satan abdicate from the top throne as the head god ? Wasn't he the top leader of the Nordic Gods ? So is he fired from the job and has Zeus come to take over his job?

3. On the topic of dedication, before it was ''Dedicate your soul to Satan". Now, its only "Dedicate". Dedicate exactly what ? Before it was clearly specified, "Dedicate your soul to Satan". The dedication item being soul. Now, you dedicate exactly what ? Is it the same as before, the soul or is it something new, for example life or money. Or do you dedicate nothing at all ?

4. How can dedication have any meaning when you dedicate yourself to so many things ? Aren't you just two timing, three timing or even multiple timing ? Isn't that cheating ? You are dedicating to so many things. Wouldn't your loyalty dilute like salt in water ? Do you choose days ? Today, I will dedicate to Satya. Tomorrow, I will dedicate to Zeus. The day after, I will dedicate to multiple gods. Exactly what are you dedicating and how can you dedicate to so many Gods in a single day ? What the fuck ?

5. What happens to those who have dedicated their soul to Satan before ? Where do they stand now ? Shouldn't they renounce their dedication ritual now that Satan has descended before dedicating to so many things i.e, Satya, Zeus and multiple Gods ? How do those who dedicated their soul to Satan feel now that they aren't even represented in the website ?

6. There's a contradiction in the website. On the main page, it says that the head God is Zeus. But in the Demons section, Satan is still at the top? Shouldn't he be kicked to the second rank while Zeus assumes the number one rank ?

So many questions. The answers will surely be interesting.

1. The God's
2. Nobody 'abdicate' , It is literal same being.
3. What do you even mean by life or money? Read the pray and you will understand what you're dedicating to and towards what.
4. One has to dedicate himself only once in his life time, if ritual changes , then one who already done it, does not have to do it again, because in the end, it is the same God and same meaning he still proceeds towards to.
5. Read above , also , we have many more God's
6. Wold not make any difference at all , really , and no, I doubt that should be changed , Shiva is the principle that all is founded upon.

Here's a video :

 

[Blitzkreig [TG]]

....

Despite that your previously deleted posts were not as egregious as the ones before, we are not obligated to post if we believe you are not attempting an open dialogue, but only to preach your conclusions.

The situation is not that hard to understand: An evolution of the identity of Zeus was uncovered and reflected in the organization's name. It won't be the last discovery, either, as we are in eternal study of the Gods.

Dedication was not diluted in any way. It is a misunderstanding on your part to assume we do it multiple times. We only need to do it once.

Regarding the enemy or any organization of spiritual warfare, the Clergy understands the status of this and sets our goals as needed. This is no different than a general in a war, as they can see the bigger picture.

 

[Hárbarðr]

3. On the topic of dedication, before it was ''Dedicate your soul to Satan". Now, its only "Dedicate". Dedicate exactly what ? Before it was clearly specified, "Dedicate your soul to Satan". The dedication item being soul. Now, you dedicate exactly what ? Is it the same as before, the soul or is it something new, for example life or money. Or do you dedicate nothing at all ?

Eh, where did you see only "dedicate"? When I browse the ToZ site this is what I see as the title of the dedication page:https://templeofzeus.org/Dedicate.php
https://templeofzeus.org/Dedicate.php
Dedicate Your Soul to Truth [Satya], Zeus & The Original Gods
https://templeofzeus.org/AllDemons.php

4. How can dedication have any meaning when you dedicate yourself to so many things ? Aren't you just two timing, three timing or even multiple timing ? Isn't that cheating ? You are dedicating to so many things. Wouldn't your loyalty dilute like salt in water ? Do you choose days ? Today, I will dedicate to Satya. Tomorrow, I will dedicate to Zeus. The day after, I will dedicate to multiple gods. Exactly what are you dedicating and how can you dedicate to so many Gods in a single day ? What the fuck ?

So by this question it implies you read correctly the dedication page, as you got the title correct and not just thinking it only says "dedicate". Congratulations!

All the Gods and truth are on the same side and part of the same path. It would be cheating if they were rivals or opposed one and other. They don't contradict or oppose one another, they are all together. And the dedication is an one time thing, there is no "today" and "tomorrow" as you are dedicated to all of them at once. If you pledge your allegiance to a council or group of beings, you are not cheating anyone because all those beings are together. Same as the above.

And you need to read the website more carefully, it says Satan and Zeus are the same being.

 

[Epiphany]

There is nothing mysterious about it, everything was explained at the time of the change and many open conversations have been had about it since. The search feature is your friend.

 

[Meow!]

i do hope that the person has the answers for their question by now given that they aren't hard to find. it's nice to see several people willing to take the time to give such answers to anyone who may have gotten behind in the times.


Hail Father Zeus

 

[Alexandros Iowno [TG]]

The Mysteries of the Gods are endless, and we partake plenty of it in luminous fashion. We are the leaders of this on Earth, yet to see humans alike us doing what we do, and if they are, they are allies, initiated Zevists, and if not, we forgive the delay momentarily but not for long!

 

[Username]

Despite that your previously deleted posts were not as egregious as the ones before, we are not obligated to post if we believe you are not attempting an open dialogue, but only to preach your conclusions.

Who says I am not open to an open dialogue? Exactly what gives or says in my replies that I am not open to an open dialogue? If what I preached was false and without basis, it would crumble on its own. You or other members could have corrected me if what I preached was false. Yet, you directly reject without even a chance of redemption. Isn't that action a bit too extreme?

The situation is not that hard to understand: An evolution of the identity of Zeus was uncovered and reflected in the organization's name. It won't be the last discovery, either, as we are in eternal study of the Gods.

I want to ask one question: Why did it take more than 20 years to uncover the identity of Zeus? Especially when HPHC and the clergy was in direct contact with the Gods.

Dedication was not diluted in any way. It is a misunderstanding on your part to assume we do it multiple times. We only need to do it once.

Read my questions carefully before replying. I never asked if dedication itself was diluted. I asked if one's loyalty itself would dilute.

Wouldn't your loyalty dilute like salt in water ?

Also, I was not assuming that you guys dedicate multiple times. I was asking if you need to dedicate multiple times after the change from JoS to ToZ. Again, read my replies carefully before replying.

5. What happens to those who have dedicated their soul to Satan before ? Where do they stand now ? Shouldn't they renounce their dedication ritual now that Satan has descended before dedicating to so many things i.e, Satya, Zeus and multiple Gods ? How do those who dedicated their soul to Satan feel now that they aren't even represented in the website ?

 

[Username]

Eh, where did you see only "dedicate"? When I browse the ToZ site this is what I see as the title of the dedication page:https://templeofzeus.org/Dedicate.php
https://templeofzeus.org/Dedicate.php
Dedicate Your Soul to Truth [Satya], Zeus & The Original Gods
https://templeofzeus.org/AllDemons.php


So by this question it implies you read correctly the dedication page, as you got the title correct and not just thinking it only says "dedicate". Congratulations!

Thank you very much. Regarding the title, I could've sworn there was no soul in the title. I checked the archives too and therefore, I stand corrected.

All the Gods and truth are on the same side and part of the same path. It would be cheating if they were rivals or opposed one and other. They don't contradict or oppose one another, they are all together. And the dedication is an one time thing, there is no "today" and "tomorrow" as you are dedicated to all of them at once. If you pledge your allegiance to a council or group of beings, you are not cheating anyone because all those beings are together. Same as the above.

This is the kind of reply that answers my question honestly. Good job.

And you need to read the website more carefully, it says Satan and Zeus are the same being.

Indeed, I should have studied more before replying. I have one question to ask. If they are two separate beings, then why are there two separate pages for them here?

The Pantheon of Hell

If they are really one and the same being, then only one page should've been sufficient to introduce them, no?

 

[Username]

One interesting thing to note here is that so far only a single member has attempted to answer my question directly and honestly. That answer yet, was brief and didn't answer all of them. Others, they have their own agenda for answering.

Some have called me being behind the times while others tell me to use the search feature. Both of them are right.

 

[OttoHart]

One interesting thing to note here is that so far only a single member has attempted to answer my question directly and honestly. That answer yet, was brief and didn't answer all of them. Others, they have their own agenda for answering.

Some have called me being behind the times while others tell me to use the search feature. Both of them are right.

There are plenty of videos explaining everything, plenty of posts explaining everything, etc.
The explanations you were given were all clear as well.

I'm the one who "attempted to answer" it seems, and I am once again reminded to give out kindness sparingly.

Making things clear here: I am just as strong in "agenda" as others here, if not moreso, I have an "agenda" for ToZ and an "agenda" for the true Gods.

"Satan stepped down" as you say, is nonsense and completely contradicted by the many sermons and videos released on this topic.

Do you also want me to go chase the Magnum Opus formula and give it to you, because you deserve to know everything right now, without studying or doing anything?

 

[Helleniser]

Indeed, I should have studied more before replying. I have one question to ask. If they are two separate beings, then why are there two separate pages for them here?

The Pantheon of Hell
If they are really one and the same being, then only one page should've been sufficient to introduce them, no?

This whole section will be updated.

 

[Username]

There are plenty of videos explaining everything, plenty of posts explaining everything, etc.
The explanations you were given were all clear as well.

I'm the one who "attempted to answer" it seems, and I am once again reminded to give out kindness sparingly.

It's time you got off your high horse. You were never the one who I said attempted to give out honest answer. I was talking about Hárbarðr. Your answers were answers that weren't really answers but attempt at answers. My replies that were being rejected were directed at you.

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Making things clear here: I am just as strong in "agenda" as others here, if not moreso, I have an "agenda" for ToZ and an "agenda" for the true Gods.

"Satan stepped down" as you say, is nonsense and completely contradicted by the many sermons and videos released on this topic.

It's nice that you admitted that you and others have your own agenda. Regarding Satan stepping down, how else am I supposed to interpret?

1. Before, it was Joy of Satan. Emphasis on the name Satan. Now, it's temple of Zeus.

2. Before the guardians were called JG, now they are called TG.

3. Before, Satan's page was on the homepage. Now, there is Zeus's page on the homepage with the title "OUR HEAD GOD ZEUS"

4. Before, members were called Satanists, now they are called Zevists.

Temple of Zeus

The thing which I find contradictory is that Satan is still called "The Top Leader of the Nordic Gods of the Empire of Orion." However, Zeus is called the head God in the main page.

The thing is I don't even know who is the top leader or who is the head God. There's contradiction everywhere.

Do you also want me to go chase the Magnum Opus formula and give it to you, because you deserve to know everything right now, without studying or doing anything?

Overdramatic much? The questions that I have asked will lift the veil of confusion and correct contradictions if answered correctly and honestly. Its a shame that such answers were rare and few. The answers will help not only me but many Satanists/Zevists.

Lol, I ask some simple questions, yet you directly ascend to bringing Magnum Opus. Did my question seem that difficult and incomprehensible to you that you equated it with the high task of Magnum Opus? If so, you shouldn't have answered at all.

 

[Username]

This whole section will be updated.

Normally, you would assume that such an important piece of information would be updated as early as possible and be spread to the many Satanist/Zevist as possible. Yet there are no updates even after more than twenty years.

 

[Voice of Enki [TG]]

It's not complicated.

Zeus = Satan and Baalzebul. Always has been, and it was known to HPHC for quite a long time before it was explained to us.

When the time was right, after HPHC and the Gods Themselves had prepared most members over time for this revelation with preliminary knowledge, the lost knowledge was restored and we went ahead with the restoration of the Ancient Truth as was always the intention of the ToZ.

You can still call Him Satan, but one needs to acknowledge and understand the Ancient Truth on the encompassing identity of Zeus, Deyus Pater, the True God.

Satan is a reduction of the Deyus Pater, God, Zeus. Existing in a reductive context, that identity was taken on by Zeus out of necessity due to the Age of the Fall that befell the Earth.

Now that this age of Fall/Dark Age is at its end, He can be restored to His full and true identity as He was known in all the ages prior to the season of abrahamism.

Since Zeus = Satan, obviously anyone who had dedicated to Satan through the JoS is dedicated to Zeus, however, as a person dedicated to the Deyus Pater, the True God, or as I like to title Him, the Pan Dimensional Supreme Being, you should understand the full identity of the Greatest Being whom you are dedicated to. Instead of only knowing Him in a reductive form.

Pursuit of Ultimate Truth has always been the primary aim of the Ancient Pre-Abrahamic religions, and of us as well, as we are the restoration and continuation of the Ancient Pre-Abrahamic religions, therefore Zeus = Satan = God is a natural understanding, and merely is the restoration of the original lost knowledge that had been lost during the Dark Ages of man over the past two thousand years.

Read here the excerpt from The Grand Ritual of Zeus, from the paragraph on Satan for a comprehensive explanation on Satan in the full context of Zeus:


"For centuries, the sons of error have called You Satan and Lucifer,
Names meaning Eternal Truth and Bringer of Light, which they did not understand.

You sat upon Your Throne and took care of humanity.
As humanity lost its way and inverted its path,
You set them straight by inverting yourself to lead the pious and wise to enlightenment in the falling Age.

You remained with humanity as an eternal symbol, never departing from our conscience or presence,
And Your Will has been thus:
“Let those who do not corrupt themselves in the Age of the Fallen
Reach Me through the form of the Fallen, so that they might Rise.”

You sat upon the Eternal Throne,
Bestowing Knowledge and Wisdom from the Throne of the Darkness during the Dark Age of Man, which is now passing.

Wherever You appear, in any form,
You bring Wisdom, Blessings, and Triumph."

Satan is Zeus on the throne of darkness in the dark age of man, the form of the Fallen for humanity to reach Zeus during the age of the Fallen, and now the age of the Fallen is over, we reach Zeus once more without confusion or reduction of His True Being.

We remember all His names and Forms, and we truly know Him. Therefore we are the Temple of Zeus and we are Zevists, as we have come out of the age of Fall/Darkness.

No more excuses and no more playing around, the Truth of God is known to All.

 

[Stormblood]

It's not difficult to read all the information released before making surface-level assumptions. "Oh I just read the title of a section: I know everything now".

Don't be shallow

 

[Helleniser]

Normally, you would assume that such an important piece of information would be updated as early as possible and be spread to the many Satanist/Zevist as possible. Yet there are no updates even after more than twenty years.

You can do it yourself if you think it's easy. The reason why updates take long, is that there is a productive team of people using their skills and knowledge to update all ToZ sites and add new content every few months. They don't waste their time complaining about something that has been explained more than a dozen times by HPHC.

 

[OttoHart]

Regarding Satan stepping down, how else am I supposed to interpret?

In the way the videos and sermons about this explain it, Satan BEING Zeus.
Or, you know, in any way that's not entirely braindead.

Your language and accusations inflammatory on purpose.

Are you at least over 15? You're awfully childish.

You've been given enough explanations and pointers, you are just being a debate bro because of your own personal issues.

Since you seem to be fine making personal accusations, let me make some. Moderators are free to not publish this if I am going too far.

You were passionate about JoS some time ago, and for one reason or another, maybe because you never stick to anything and all your passions are equally fleeting, you drift away from the community.
You come back here, years later, possibly because we're more popular, and nothing is the same. New people, new ways we do things, new knowledge that might seem contradictory to the old understanding of things.
And, possibly because you're a fairly emotional and unstable person in general, you come here with emotional responses, and don't even take an hour to study some things.
You go into defense mode, defending some idea of "the JoS I was a part of", which you, emotional as you are, think we have drifted from.

Truth be told, you are here, in layers upon layers of cognitive dissonance, because you've made up your own narrative about how "ToZ was infiltrated".
No, you did not say this word for word, but let's call a spade a spade. You are saying the current Clergy are liars.

Through this, you not only insult the current Clergy (which you have shown zero respect for regardless), but you ALSO insult Lady Maxine and the Gods.

You are claiming that HPS Maxine was so weak and not advanced that She wouldn't notice HPHC wanted to "change Her vision", despite HER teaching HIM for years.
You are claiming the Gods and Satan LOST JoS to some mere mortals.

This narrative in your head hides the reality that the only one who drifted is you.

You weren't here when we received this news and had to process it, when Clergy assured us and explained things, when the new ToZ video on YouTube came out, when new sites came out, and you certainly weren't here, socializing or working, getting into insightful conversations where you'd understand how the change makes sense.
You weren't here before that, when other changes and additions happened, and you weren't in our community, to see how alive and evolving we ALWAYS were, gaining new knowledge.

You came here now, and instead of taking in the changes and advancements we made with patience and understanding, like a mature person, you come here and make a fool of yourself, sneering at Clergy.

The only saving move you have is to apologize, go study, and make amends internally.
Although it is clearly wasted, I'll give advice.
Do the HPS Maxine Apotheosis Ritual and ask Her directly. Groveling and apologizing here is the only correct thing to do.

Or keep being an immature troll while we restore the Original Culture of the Gods. Nobody in here seemed to dearly miss you.

 

[Hárbarðr]

The thing which I find contradictory is that Satan is still called "The Top Leader of the Nordic Gods of the Empire of Orion." However, Zeus is called the head God in the main page.

The thing is I don't even know who is the top leader or who is the head God. There's contradiction everywhere.

How long have you been in JoS? If you were here for many years you would realize that it always had outdated information that needed to be updated that caused confusion among people. For example, until recently, some pages (the older ones) said that the throat chakra is ruled by Mercury while the newer ones said it is ruled by Venus, because it's easy to overlook some things.

If you had been in the JoS site you would have known that these "contradictions" are caused by older pages that haven't been updated yet, either because they were overlooked or because the admins are busy.

As said above, if you think it's easy, go update it yourself.

 

[Skyveryflat]

I have recently come to the forums after a year or two. The change from JoS to ToZ is very mysterious to me. As such, there are few questions I would like to ask the members.

1. What exactly brought this change ? Exactly which event transpired which caused this change ?

2. Why did Satan abdicate from the top throne as the head god ? Wasn't he the top leader of the Nordic Gods ? So is he fired from the job and has Zeus come to take over his job?

3. On the topic of dedication, before it was ''Dedicate your soul to Satan". Now, its only "Dedicate". Dedicate exactly what ? Before it was clearly specified, "Dedicate your soul to Satan". The dedication item being soul. Now, you dedicate exactly what ? Is it the same as before, the soul or is it something new, for example life or money. Or do you dedicate nothing at all ?

4. How can dedication have any meaning when you dedicate yourself to so many things ? Aren't you just two timing, three timing or even multiple timing ? Isn't that cheating ? You are dedicating to so many things. Wouldn't your loyalty dilute like salt in water ? Do you choose days ? Today, I will dedicate to Satya. Tomorrow, I will dedicate to Zeus. The day after, I will dedicate to multiple gods. Exactly what are you dedicating and how can you dedicate to so many Gods in a single day ? What the fuck ?

5. What happens to those who have dedicated their soul to Satan before ? Where do they stand now ? Shouldn't they renounce their dedication ritual now that Satan has descended before dedicating to so many things i.e, Satya, Zeus and multiple Gods ? How do those who dedicated their soul to Satan feel now that they aren't even represented in the website ?

6. There's a contradiction in the website. On the main page, it says that the head God is Zeus. But in the Demons section, Satan is still at the top? Shouldn't he be kicked to the second rank while Zeus assumes the number one rank ?

So many questions. The answers will surely be interesting.

hmm how many you close with satan?
hmm how many search in infinite void deeper who was satan in other form as satya,satanama,zeus or others?
and how much deeper u finding about knowledge with satan from this universe begin created? or merkurius planet still like earth before ?
and how about like deyus pater,zefs,dias,zina,iu patar,amun,atum,amoonas,baal,baalzebul,baalzevulon,enlil,eosforos,satanama,satanas,sabazios,hadad,hammon,daghda,marduk,raijin,thor,zalmoxis,shago,tinia,tarhunt,viracocha,tengri?
and did usearch with knowledge from satan in reality?

or you still arrogance ignorance about true knowledge then rejected about evolution from JoS to TOZ ? so what source still exist in reality more than ancient greek ? other than that still many lost,corruption,manipulation history.

 

[Skyveryflat]

i'am first time same like to you like this but i calm about ask the god or other gods or goddess for guiding me not long after HPHC tell us all

and was changing to TOZ i still not accepted but i always doing Gods or Goddess ritual for me can accpeting the reality of truth.
calm,relax,analyze all then doing Gods/ Goddess ritual if zeus ritual you still blinded and confusion ask for guiding you to that access and read all sermon as you can then analyze again until you can accepting the reality truth of the Gods about JOS to TOZ. about why zeus is top but not as Satan again.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Do you not know that the same Gods were referred to by many different names across every country and every different language? There are probably more than 50 different names you could use that all are names of Satan/Zeus. Use whatever of his names that you want, as long as you understand that it is the same God. Then you understand it is not something to argue about.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Zeus is the same as Satan, they are the same. There is not anything like "switching to a different God." Zeus was a more commonly used name that was known and used by the most people, so it is a good choice to use this name. And there are also many other names for this God that could also be used. This is why in the Grand Ritual of Zeus, there are several of these different names used purposefully to program into your soul that these names are all connected together to the same God, and that all people who try to connect with the God behind each one of these names are all reaching to the same God.

 

[616Taysha]

People who refuse to understand why JoS has changed to ToZ are either lazy OR stuck in judaism too much.

Check the Grand Ritual to Zeus - it explains everything. Lazy ones won't, so let them waste their time posting drivel here, and those who got stuck in too deep in jewish rear, well... purify yourself of their excrement.

 

[Blitzkreig [TG]]

Who says I am not open to an open dialogue? Exactly what gives or says in my replies that I am not open to an open dialogue? If what I preached was false and without basis, it would crumble on its own. You or other members could have corrected me if what I preached was false. Yet, you directly reject without even a chance of redemption. Isn't that action a bit too extreme?

The posts you had made, many of which were deleted, such as ones mocking others or ToZ, created the perception that you were not open to a fair dialogue.

Yes, false information would crumble on its own, but not necessarily immediately, and not without potentially corrupting others. The enemy abuses free speech to accomplish aims like this, which requires us to take a protective stance.

Normally, you would assume that such an important piece of information would be updated as early as possible and be spread to the many Satanist/Zevist as possible. Yet there are no updates even after more than twenty years.

Nobody said or promised that the deployment of truth within ToZ, or its comprehension, would be perfect. Our understanding and propagation of Truth is based on our own evolution both as an organization and as individuals.

Similarly, information requiring updates on the websites is also subject to the same human limitations on labor. This was not intentional.

What exactly are you concerned about? To me, it seems premised on the idea of unrealistically high standards regarding information.

Further arguments with others that resulted in insults flying or other obstacles to dialogue may have inflamed your perception of negative transmission of information, but again, there are realistic limitations here, too.

Despite any of this, ToZ is the only organization that empowers everyone to directly learn and understand anything to endless degrees. This fact alone counts infinitely more than the logistics of individual details, because each person can grow to reach and uphold the same conclusions in time.

 

[616Taysha]

What exactly are you concerned about? To me, it seems premised on the idea of unrealistically high standards regarding information.

... as if the individual is actively trying undermine all the work, and all the people who actively contribute to the development of ToZ.

I'm curious as to whether the user holds himself to the same high standards as he'd like us.

Normally, you would assume that such an important piece of information would be updated as early as possible and be spread to the many Satanist/Zevist as possible. Yet there are no updates even after more than twenty years.

Normally, you'd assume someone who joined more than a DECADE ago saw the changes live as they were being introduced, yet you choose pomposity and arrogance.

See how this argument was turned against you?

No, you mustn't rush anyone, as updating ToZ isn't anybody's occupation - it's what they do in their spare time, WHEN they have time. If you're young and still live with your parents, I don't believe you can understand this.

 

[Username]

People who refuse to understand why JoS has changed to ToZ are either lazy OR stuck in judaism too much.

Check the Grand Ritual to Zeus - it explains everything. Lazy ones won't, so let them waste their time posting drivel here, and those who got stuck in too deep in jewish rear, well... purify yourself of their excrement.

A vulgar message like this isn't rejected while my honest answers of July 12 which did not insult or flame anyone or preached conclusions did get rejected. I don't know what to say to this. Guardian Blitzkreig, I appeal to you to show my reply rejected on July 12 so people can compare and see the truth themselves.

 

[616Taysha]

A vulgar message like this isn't rejected

It wasn't rejected, because it is NOT vulgar. What is vulgar though is your reaction and insiting on the Guardian to post your message. I've had some posts rejected, which in hindsight had been too rude - in this case I trust the Guardians' common sense. And They sometimes publish something to prove a point what one should not do or ought not to be.

My answer concerns you because apparently, it is true for you as well You wouldn't be bothered about something that does not concern you, would you now? Posting hundreds of messages here does not equal being legitimate. Quality over quantitiy.

Further arguments with others that resulted in insults flying or other obstacles to dialogue may have inflamed your perception of negative transmission of information, but again, there are realistic limitations here, too.

That arguments will appear is inevitable, however, if one cannot see past one's limited vision, we are not the ones to blame.

 

[Username]

The posts you had made, many of which were deleted, such as ones mocking others or ToZ, created the perception that you were not open to a fair dialogue.

Was rejecting my replies due to the sensation of your perception the right thing to do? Indeed, I was intoxicated due to lack of sleep. That's why I created such posts not only in this post but other posts too. However, my recent replies were sound, innocent and only stated the truth without insulting anyone.

Yes, false information would crumble on its own, but not necessarily immediately, and not without potentially corrupting others. The enemy abuses free speech to accomplish aims like this, which requires us to take a protective stance.

I appeal to you again to show my reply to OttoHart. Let people be the judges regarding my 'false information'. I agree with you when you say that the enemy abuses free speech for their own motives. However, its quite interesting that you put my replies on the same wavelength of abusing free speech as the enemies. Was it intentional?

Nobody said or promised that the deployment of truth within ToZ, or its comprehension, would be perfect. Our understanding and propagation of Truth is based on our own evolution both as an organization and as individuals.

Similarly, information requiring updates on the websites is also subject to the same human limitations on labor. This was not intentional.

Indeed, nobody guarantees that deployment of truth within ToZ would be perfect. However, the preaching in the forums and the truth within the ToZ contradict so much that even a normal member should be concerned about it, let alone the clergy. I am talking about the statement that Satan and Zeus are the same being. What appears to be in the forums is different than what appears to be in the official website. Can such an excuse of 'human limitations on labor' actually excuse the contradiction? For an organization that preaches truth and truth?

What exactly are you concerned about? To me, it seems premised on the idea of unrealistically high standards regarding information.

There seems to be many things which are seeming to you. Never did my posts here imply or asked about the standards regarding information. If the simple fact that the statement "Satan and Zeus are the same" seemed fishy to me seemed like an unusually high standards regarding information to you, then I don't have many things to say here.

Further arguments with others that resulted in insults flying or other obstacles to dialogue may have inflamed your perception of negative transmission of information, but again, there are realistic limitations here, too.

Again, why do the members here including the clergy love assuming so much? Above, OttoHart wants me to grovel and apologize and has flown many insults my way. Yet, my reply to his insults keeps being rejected.

Despite any of this, ToZ is the only organization that empowers everyone to directly learn and understand anything to endless degrees. This fact alone counts infinitely more than the logistics of individual details, because each person can grow to reach and uphold the same conclusions in time.

I said it then, I will say it again even if this reply is rejected. For an organisation that preaches Truth, having contradictory information regarding the head God in the forums and in the website is a glaring flaw. This flaw isn't to the extent of "logistics of individual details". That's all.

 

[Alexandros Iowno [TG]]

Was rejecting my replies due to the sensation of your perception the right thing to do? Indeed, I was intoxicated due to lack of sleep. That's why I created such posts not only in this post but other posts too. However, my recent replies were sound, innocent and only stated the truth without insulting anyone.


I appeal to you again to show my reply to OttoHart. Let people be the judges regarding my 'false information'. I agree with you when you say that the enemy abuses free speech for their own motives. However, its quite interesting that you put my replies on the same wavelength of abusing free speech as the enemies. Was it intentional?


Indeed, nobody guarantees that deployment of truth within ToZ would be perfect. However, the preaching in the forums and the truth within the ToZ contradict so much that even a normal member should be concerned about it, let alone the clergy. I am talking about the statement that Satan and Zeus are the same being. What appears to be in the forums is different than what appears to be in the official website. Can such an excuse of 'human limitations on labor' actually excuse the contradiction? For an organization that preaches truth and truth?



There seems to be many things which are seeming to you. Never did my posts here imply or asked about the standards regarding information. If the simple fact that the statement "Satan and Zeus are the same" seemed fishy to me seemed like an unusually high standards regarding information to you, then I don't have many things to say here.



Again, why do the members here including the clergy love assuming so much? Above, OttoHart wants me to grovel and apologize and has flown many insults my way. Yet, my reply to his insults keeps being rejected.



I said it then, I will say it again even if this reply is rejected. For an organisation that preaches Truth, having contradictory information regarding the head God in the forums and in the website is a glaring flaw. This flaw isn't to the extent of "logistics of individual details". That's all.

I did disapprove and will every time you attack-question Temple of Zeus after you have received plenty and full explanations. You framing this as free speech and truth seeking questions and victim hood is subversive and does not work with me since you have not interacted with factual conversation but on an emotional pursuit of attacking Temple of Zeus, Gods decisions, and Clergy by issuing false doubts. Your own conflict about this is resolved by studying, requesting help from Gods not social confrontation. Clergy and the Gods won't dumb it down for a christianity 2.0 tier knowledge, real theology is very complex and necessitates refinement and great study, not peasantry popularism like "Satin not Zius".

 

[616Taysha]

For an organisation that preaches Truth, having contradictory information regarding the head God in the forums and in the website is a glaring flaw

Guardian Alexandros was faster, so I'll just add fuel to the fire - if you claim ToZ is flawed, imperfect, and our perception skewed, why don't you find other relgions where there is copious amounts of false info, where contadictions abound.

Who knows, maybe you'll become a high-ranking member there? Wouldn't it be great? But not here.

Here, study is required - thorough and long. Guardians, as well as other senior members, are here to serve with their knowledge.

 

[Blitzkreig [TG]]

Was rejecting my replies due to the sensation of your perception the right thing to do? Indeed, I was intoxicated due to lack of sleep. That's why I created such posts not only in this post but other posts too. However, my recent replies were sound, innocent and only stated the truth without insulting anyone.


I appeal to you again to show my reply to OttoHart. Let people be the judges regarding my 'false information'. I agree with you when you say that the enemy abuses free speech for their own motives. However, its quite interesting that you put my replies on the same wavelength of abusing free speech as the enemies. Was it intentional?


Indeed, nobody guarantees that deployment of truth within ToZ would be perfect. However, the preaching in the forums and the truth within the ToZ contradict so much that even a normal member should be concerned about it, let alone the clergy. I am talking about the statement that Satan and Zeus are the same being. What appears to be in the forums is different than what appears to be in the official website. Can such an excuse of 'human limitations on labor' actually excuse the contradiction? For an organization that preaches truth and truth?



There seems to be many things which are seeming to you. Never did my posts here imply or asked about the standards regarding information. If the simple fact that the statement "Satan and Zeus are the same" seemed fishy to me seemed like an unusually high standards regarding information to you, then I don't have many things to say here.



Again, why do the members here including the clergy love assuming so much? Above, OttoHart wants me to grovel and apologize and has flown many insults my way. Yet, my reply to his insults keeps being rejected.



I said it then, I will say it again even if this reply is rejected. For an organisation that preaches Truth, having contradictory information regarding the head God in the forums and in the website is a glaring flaw. This flaw isn't to the extent of "logistics of individual details". That's all.

I read what you wrote here and all I have to say is: So what? There is a mistake on the website that needs to be changed? Yeah, more work has to be done.

That does not rob us of the title of being the foremost proponent of Truth.

 

[V12-POWER]

I have recently come to the forums after a year or two. The change from JoS to ToZ is very mysterious to me. As such, there are few questions I would like to ask the members.

1. What exactly brought this change ? Exactly which event transpired which caused this change ?

2. Why did Satan abdicate from the top throne as the head god ? Wasn't he the top leader of the Nordic Gods ? So is he fired from the job and has Zeus come to take over his job?

3. On the topic of dedication, before it was ''Dedicate your soul to Satan". Now, its only "Dedicate". Dedicate exactly what ? Before it was clearly specified, "Dedicate your soul to Satan". The dedication item being soul. Now, you dedicate exactly what ? Is it the same as before, the soul or is it something new, for example life or money. Or do you dedicate nothing at all ?

4. How can dedication have any meaning when you dedicate yourself to so many things ? Aren't you just two timing, three timing or even multiple timing ? Isn't that cheating ? You are dedicating to so many things. Wouldn't your loyalty dilute like salt in water ? Do you choose days ? Today, I will dedicate to Satya. Tomorrow, I will dedicate to Zeus. The day after, I will dedicate to multiple gods. Exactly what are you dedicating and how can you dedicate to so many Gods in a single day ? What the fuck ?

5. What happens to those who have dedicated their soul to Satan before ? Where do they stand now ? Shouldn't they renounce their dedication ritual now that Satan has descended before dedicating to so many things i.e, Satya, Zeus and multiple Gods ? How do those who dedicated their soul to Satan feel now that they aren't even represented in the website ?

6. There's a contradiction in the website. On the main page, it says that the head God is Zeus. But in the Demons section, Satan is still at the top? Shouldn't he be kicked to the second rank while Zeus assumes the number one rank ?

So many questions. The answers will surely be interesting.

This guy is just trying to stir shit up here with this troll post. Cause if he had read just a little bit all his questions would have been answered, all he wants is confusion so that outsiders can discredit the ToZ. Shit like this makes me angry.

1) To what concerns you or me, they could name the domain the Wrath of Vishnu. The Hammer of Thor, but the beliefs, teachings and practices stayed the same, and they always will. Why nitpick like a bitch?

2) The Grand Ritual of Zeus answers this for you, but, because youre not gonna look it up for yourself. Here are some of Zeus aliases from the Ritual: SATANAS, Thor, Zamolxis, Shango, Tarhunt, Tinia, Tlaloc, Viracocha, Tengri, DEUS PATAR, ZEFS, DIAS , ZINA, etc. No one "fired" anybody. The wording of your sentence gives away your really low quality trolling intentions

3) The first paragraph of the Dedication Ritual: "In Front of the Ancient & Eternal Gods, before the almighty and ineffable God of Truth, whose Name means Eternal Truth, and in the presence of all Gods & Daemons of the Underworld and Heavenly Realms, who are the True and Original Gods"

4 & 5) Dumb points that make no sense. There are multiple gods. Dedicate yourself to the Jew on the Stick if you want "single timing"

6) The website might need an update. We all give something to the community but we do it on our free time which for most is limited. At the very least connect your 2 braincells and realize the fact we are in fact refering to the same God. If you spotted this error in the website, why didnt you offer yourself to fix it up?

I see people who point at "wrongs" all the time IRL yet when you tell them to get shit done they leave dust in the air

Sorry for the harsh tone man, but your intentions arent genuine curiosity