Shrooms

dorime wrote:View source

Hello everyone,

I have a question about using shrooms. I'm already aware of the ethicalExternal ↗ and potential negative effects that drugs can have on the body and soul. I've also seen another forum post about psychedelics that talked about acid and shrooms, but it seems like acid was discussed more.

Before I became a Zevist, I used shrooms and even took some microdoses. Every time I did, I had positive spiritual experiences that made me certain a god or gods existed, even though I didn't know who the true gods were at the time. I'd like to know what you all think about using shrooms occasionally. I'm not talking about in a addiction way, but rather using them in a conscious and wise way, with full awareness of the potential side effects.

Before I ever used them, I did a lot of research and learned that shrooms have the fewest side effects for the user and those around them. As a source, I can use the BBC website, specifically the article "https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-11660210?ictd=vid~9527eafd-ae9b-44ad-aa2e-7077a855d044External ↗" where mushrooms are at the very bottom of the list, making them the safest.

Thinking in a broader context, I wonder how you all view the use of hallucinogens by our ancestors. In many cultures, the use of these substances was common in rituals, but in a very different way than we see today. What do you think about this difference in context?

There can be positive benefits to them, however, the main concern is the negatives which can come with them. While they open the mind up to experiences outside the normal senses, this can easily lead to delusion, as it is like an artificial experience of "realization", not the controlled energetic practice of a spiritual Zevist.

While the psychedelics can give higher sensory feedback to someone untrained with energy manipulation, this is like a false sense of reward and progression. In your case specifically, you also need to credit your likely past life experience with the Gods, which then came up during your trip. This was not created by the mushrooms directly; it had only worked off of underlying themes within you.

Further, the modern media and public audience tout mushrooms with high regard because it is their only experience with something that can possibly psychologically help them, but this is only because they drastically downplay, or even slander, meditation, hypnosis, yoga, and many other holistic therapies and medicines.

In other words, you are getting a highly biased review from people who have no experience with anything better.

Blitzkreig [TG] wrote:View source

There can be positive benefits to them, however, the main concern is the negatives which can come with them. While they open the mind up to experiences outside the normal senses, this can easily lead to delusion, as it is like an artificial experience of "realization", not the controlled energetic practice of a spiritual Zevist.

While the psychedelics can give higher sensory feedback to someone untrained with energy manipulation, this is like a false sense of reward and progression. In your case specifically, you also need to credit your likely past life experience with the Gods, which then came up during your trip. This was not created by the mushrooms directly; it had only worked off of underlying themes within you.

Further, the modern media and public audience tout mushrooms with high regard because it is their only experience with something that can possibly psychologically help them, but this is only because they drastically downplay, or even slander, meditation, hypnosis, yoga, and many other holistic therapies and medicines.

In other words, you are getting a highly biased review from people who have no experience with anything better.

Thank you for the response. What you said really makes a lot of sense, and it's a perspective I hadn't considered.

But that leads me to a new question, following your logic. If mushrooms can bring some benefits and act as a catalyst to reveal something already within us, would it be possible to use them in conjunction with yoga?

I'm thinking of this not as a replacement, but as a tool to accelerate spiritual progress. For example, could someone with spiritual maturity and experience in yoga use smaller, controlled doses to facilitate emotional release or deepen their level of visualization?

Would this be a form of energy manipulation that, while not traditional, could be seen as a way to deepen our practice?

dorime wrote:View source

Thank you for the response. What you said really makes a lot of sense, and it's a perspective I hadn't considered.

But that leads me to a new question, following your logic. If mushrooms can bring some benefits and act as a catalyst to reveal something already within us, would it be possible to use them in conjunction with yoga?

I'm thinking of this not as a replacement, but as a tool to accelerate spiritual progress. For example, could someone with spiritual maturity and experience in yoga use smaller, controlled doses to facilitate emotional release or deepen their level of visualization?

Would this be a form of energy manipulation that, while not traditional, could be seen as a way to deepen our practice?

As someone that has used both cannabis and mushrooms before, it doesn't help at all. The issue is it can temporarily make it easier to "see" or "feel" which gives the impression of enhanced effect but it actually pretty drastically weakens the effect of any meditation.

There were times I could have sworn I did something massive magickly speaking either due to opening or empowering a chakra while high but the next day...nothing, no difference if anything I felt a bit weaker.

The only real possible benefit is I would say yes, sometimes shrooms can help with self-realization, but this is of a psychological nature not spiritual and the issue is it can and DOES just as easily lead to utterly false conclusions and false "realizations" and the true realizations can and will be reached through actual spiritual work and meditation.

This idea, its been done to death, tried and retried, it just doesn't work, there are no shortcuts and a lot of the people that tried this completely lost their fucking minds. People with enormous potential turned into human waste because they were chasing some notion of a stronger spirituality.

Drugs are ruled by Neptune that yes also rules the occult and spirituality but drugs are of its lowest octave and spirituality is of its highest, there is no path from the lowest octave to the highest, low octaves of planetary influence are by their nature traps to stop advancement, one must simply aim to the highest octave and stay there and when you mix octaves the lowest will always become dominant, this is the nature of entropy and how it actually manifests.

As for shamanistic practices involving drugs, they ultimately were the result of spiritually weaker people trying to fufill the role of spiritually stronger people, when a community needed spiritual guidance but their most spiritual person could simply not see such guidance, they would be "forced" to turn to these things to get some idea of what to do, although the resulting "visions" were often delusional and thus incorrect, we as Zevists do not have these limitations, we can advance so that we simply dont need these crutches.

Drugs are a slower path to success and an extremely quick path to failure.

Blitzkreig [TG] wrote:View source

There can be positive benefits to them, however, the main concern is the negatives which can come with them. While they open the mind up to experiences outside the normal senses, this can easily lead to delusion, as it is like an artificial experience of "realization", not the controlled energetic practice of a spiritual Zevist.

While the psychedelics can give higher sensory feedback to someone untrained with energy manipulation, this is like a false sense of reward and progression. In your case specifically, you also need to credit your likely past life experience with the Gods, which then came up during your trip. This was not created by the mushrooms directly; it had only worked off of underlying themes within you.

Further, the modern media and public audience tout mushrooms with high regard because it is their only experience with something that can possibly psychologically help them, but this is only because they drastically downplay, or even slander, meditation, hypnosis, yoga, and many other holistic therapies and medicines.

In other words, you are getting a highly biased review from people who have no experience with anything better.

Excellent response.

dorime wrote:View source

Thank you for the response. What you said really makes a lot of sense, and it's a perspective I hadn't considered.

But that leads me to a new question, following your logic. If mushrooms can bring some benefits and act as a catalyst to reveal something already within us, would it be possible to use them in conjunction with yoga?

I'm thinking of this not as a replacement, but as a tool to accelerate spiritual progress. For example, could someone with spiritual maturity and experience in yoga use smaller, controlled doses to facilitate emotional release or deepen their level of visualization?

Would this be a form of energy manipulation that, while not traditional, could be seen as a way to deepen our practice?

The problem with trying to use these drugs for spiritual practices is that you are not in control of their effects - it is a chemical that is forcing the brain into a different state and will do so for as long as it is active in the body. This is not natural and not the way we are supposed to go about developing.
Higher states are attained when they are ATTAINED, through proper and consistent practice of your spiritual disciplines.
You may gain some positive benefits but you're at least equally as likely to not gain anything or to cause yourself harm, or even open yourself to enemy attacks. You're rolling the dice, and the stakes are FAR more than what you want to be risking (I know from experience).

Your spiritual practice is like building a house, from the foundation to laying every brick correctly day by day so the result is solid and lasting. You can't jump ahead and build onto what's not there yet (at least not reliably or safely) and that's comparable to what you'd be trying to do by using shrooms with your meditation.

In this context the only wise use of shrooms is no use at all.

Useful experiences can be derived, and in some cases, some skills can be derived. For example, someone wrote years ago that as a consequence of trying or using something, they achieve trance more easily. But it all comes at a cost, and true progress does not come with these substances.

dorime wrote:View source

Hello everyone,

I have a question about using shrooms. I'm already aware of the ethicalExternal ↗ and potential negative effects that drugs can have on the body and soul. I've also seen another forum post about psychedelics that talked about acid and shrooms, but it seems like acid was discussed more.

Before I became a Zevist, I used shrooms and even took some microdoses. Every time I did, I had positive spiritual experiences that made me certain a god or gods existed, even though I didn't know who the true gods were at the time. I'd like to know what you all think about using shrooms occasionally. I'm not talking about in a addiction way, but rather using them in a conscious and wise way, with full awareness of the potential side effects.

Before I ever used them, I did a lot of research and learned that shrooms have the fewest side effects for the user and those around them. As a source, I can use the BBC website, specifically the article "https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-11660210?ictd=vid~9527eafd-ae9b-44ad-aa2e-7077a855d044External ↗" where mushrooms are at the very bottom of the list, making them the safest.

Thinking in a broader context, I wonder how you all view the use of hallucinogens by our ancestors. In many cultures, the use of these substances was common in rituals, but in a very different way than we see today. What do you think about this difference in context?

It may be useful to some people but I was always scared of both marijuana and psychedelics because I knew I would be open to bad entities. The God's may be able to help some this way just because they care about us and want to lead us to the truth but that usually doesn't happen. You open to greys thoughtforms and Corrupted Beings and related astral junk.

Also it puts you on a negative vibration if you don't believe me feel the aura of someone who uses marijuana or drugs regularly and it stays unless repaired and cleansed.

Not worth it. Of course it's your choice no one here can control you but you won't get as far with drugs if you choose to use them. It can also create mental illness.