Something You Don't Want to Hear

[tabby]

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Could either of you, or both of you, please do me one favor? Could you please read this message, and understand what I am saying, and maybe answer it if you want? Because I honestly feel like both of you have just been skipping over what I write and not even reading it.


Do you agree that sheeps and rams do not have the same behaviours, they have absolutely different actions and different habits from each other? They live seperately from each other, and live completely different lifestyles. I am talking about in nature, not on a farm where they are all forced into the same little fenced in area.

The rams are all very independent, they live by themselves, they climb to extremely high heights, and they sometimes fight each other.

And sheep basically just sit in a field or a valley eating grass and they do not seem to do much of anything most of the time. I am not saying there is anything wrong with this, but that's what they do.

If you did not know that these were the same species and you were to judge them only by their actions and lifestyles, they act so differently from each other that it could almost seem like they are 2 different seperate animals.

My entire point is that the common symbolic ideas about these animals is directly related to the actions and lifestyle of the animal. And that the qualities they are symbolic of are the exact same qualities of what these animals actually do every day.

And correct me if I am wrong, but it looks like both of you are continuously ignoring all of these things. You are ignoring all of the differences between their lifestyles, and you are ignoring how their lifestyles align with and agree exactly with their symbols. And you end up basically just saying that rams are a good symbol only because they are men and only men get to be a good symbol, and sheep are sometimes a bad symbol only because they are women and all women must be a bad symbol because everything is sexist so the sexist evil men have to always make the woman be a bad symbol.

Could you see why this confuses me? It just looks like nonsense to me, and looks like it has no connection to reality. Actually it is both of you who are being sexist by acting like the only thing that matters is which sex they are.
"Judge not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
This is what I am doing, but with sex instead of color. And it seems like both of you only judge by which sex they are, and pay zero attention to their actual character.

Addressing the part I bolded: I ask the same of you in turn before you continue to slander me for something I am not doing. If you had properly read and understood my previous comments to you (all of them), then you would understand that this ->

And you end up basically just saying that rams are a good symbol only because they are men and only men get to be a good symbol, and sheep are sometimes a bad symbol only because they are women and all women must be a bad symbol because everything is sexist so the sexist evil men have to always make the woman be a bad symbol.

-> is actually putting words in my mouth which are false.

I’ll refer you back to this comment of mine:

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We get told rams are sacred but continue to bash on its other name: sheep.

If this hate on sheep was only to do with following bad leaders/shepherds blindly we would hate rams too but we don’t. If this was only about sheep being stupid, then that would be quickly fixed through learning more about the animal and how intelligent it actually is, not just the rams. If this was only about domestic animals, we would hate on all domestic animals. If this was only about sexism we would actively in written words say “the ewes are dumb, the ram is mighty!” but instead we use ‘sheep’ and ‘ram’.

The hate has nothing to do with anything other than the fact the word sheep, not even the animal at this point, became a negative word that is associated with xtianity.

My point of concern on the side of gender is that because of this distinction we make between rams (mighty, intelligent, war, sacred animal of Satan) and sheep (stupid, dumb, blind, animal of xtards), is that this could end up creating an accidentally sexist view of this animal because a ram is a sheep.

The moment you switch out the word ‘ram’ for the word ‘sheep’ no one likes you for it, despite it being the same animal. It’s the word - not the metaphors, not the animal itself - and its negative association to xtards that cause us to hate it so much and spit on it.

So why do we continue to hate this creature? It is senseless to continue to do so because now we can’t even treat this animal with the same levels of respect and care that we do other animals, all thanks to this hang up over the word ‘sheep’.

I agree they are different. They have different biological instincts that drive them to have different behaviours. However. What I don’t agree with is the idea that sheep are stupider than their male counterparts simply for not being rams and behaving like rams. I do not agree with thinking lowly of sheep just because of their association to negative things like stupidity and xtianity.

Wild bighorn sheep males will flock for most of the year with a herd of males until mating season. But this is not always the strict case and some males will stay with the ewe herds. The ewes constantly move to protect their young, and the fact that they do not require the rams to be with their flocks for all parts of the year, means they are strong enough to fend for themselves. That is not a stupid animal.

It doesn’t take much to do a few searches on the internet and see that female bighorn sheep climb upon the same ledges and cliffs the males do. So your facts here don’t match up.

I am not ignoring your points. I’m correcting them with facts that can very easily be observed if you spent time around these animals.

Regarding the following photos, remember I said the ewes have smaller horns and the rams have the bigger ones. You can see quite clearly, the ewes up on the mountain in the last couple photos with males. One photo shows a whole herd of rams running together. Another showing rams and ewes flocking together in a field.

Can you understand now that your observation of even these wild animals is wrong? Am I so sexist for pointing out that flaw?

Regarding your point in another comment “male lions sleep all day, the females go and hunt” - have you forgotten the simple fact that even animals in the Animal Kingdom are individuals with personalities and different experiences just as humans have different personalities and experiences? If the male is so useless why is he the leader of the pride, and why doesn’t the females just take over?

I think it’s time to take off the bias shades about animals, and instead of seeing what you want to see regarding animals, actually understand them beyond their metaphors and common ideas placed on them. You managed to do that for rats. Apply that to all animals.

You see a herd of dumb sheep running around in circles.
I see scared animals, confused and cornered between a car, a rock fence, a building and people, doing only what nature tells them in their instincts to do to get out of a bad situation. Follow their herd.

You see a lazy male lion doing nothing whilst the females go and hunt.
I see a male lion taking a rest. Let me show you something : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hn-RgtC8dzs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3f_lQIPaAEE

Sometimes the females hunt. Sometimes the male does instead. Your view of nature does not reflect what is actually happening out there. You have no clue what goes on in these animals minds, and you look down on the ones who don’t seem as strong as the others.

Male, female, big, small, clawed, horned - it doesn’t matter. Give the same respect to both even if you think one over the other is stupid.

 

[Jrvan]

No I have not. As I have been saying for a while now, so far all of your assumptions about me are not only wrong, but are basically the exact opposite of the truth.

I have never had bad experiences with women or feminists. I do not have any problem relating to all of the women I know. Of the mix of male and female energies that all existing things are made of, my soul is mostly feminine type energies. I am a heterosexual man, I do not mean feminine in this kind of way. But the extreme majority of the energies of my soul is all Venus type energy. Both in my natal chart, in my history, and in the many planet squares that I have done, it would not be too much of an exaggeration to say that I am nearly entirely Venus energy.

Okay, that's why I asked. So far I've made two assumptions about you. If my impressions were wrong then they were wrong.

Anything you say in trying to hint about me being anti-women could not possibly be any more opposite of the truth. I am often thinking every day that our women are the absolute most valuable thing in the world, and that a man's entire purpose is to care for our women and children. I have the same infinite love for our species of people that the gods have for us.

And as I have already said, this is the entire reason why all of your dumb accusations of sexism are so annoying and so ridiculous. Because I honestly can't think of any way to describe me that could ever be further from the truth. And your whole attitude that every single possible way for anybody to react to you that does not include profusely kissing your ass means that the person is some evil or sexist person, it is absolutely retarded and disgusting.

I didn't call you anti-women. I suggested that maybe you had a bug up your ass about radical feminists because it seemed like you often got defensive about such things. I think it's a fair assumption to make when you labelled Tabby a radical feminist for no reason, and then called her a jew. Flew off the handle at both of us in an emotional fit while blaming us for the same things you were doing (and saying we were the ones having an emotional reaction).

If the shoe fits then you will wear it. We didn't force you to get triggered by what we were talking about, and I never accused you of having xian programming. I wasn't going out of my way to note what shoes you were wearing on your feet. And your over-the-top emotional reaction to that was indeed fucking intense. I felt it with my aura... that energy was dark. I pulled back my emotions on the comment before that even though you were directly insulting both Tabby and me for no reason, and misrepresenting our arguments. You couldn't do the same. Instead you went full rage mode. I don't think that NOT expecting you to have THAT kind of reaction is the same as expecting you to kiss my ass. What the fuck?

Have you seen the amount of help I have given people over the years? Have you seen the number of comments I have written? I admit I have written some dumb things before, but the extreme majority of all of my posts are just me trying to help as many people as possible. And it has no benefit for me because surely if I spent this time and effort on helping myself that would be much better for me. But all of the energies of my soul are so extremely nurturing, caring, and loving that I am required to spend my effort on helping the people I care about, which is our family here. My purpose is to take care of women and children, protect them, and help them in every way. And at the same time, to also be helping men in the greatest possible amount so that they all may become stronger and more effective at protecting and taking care of their own women and children. This is basically my souls entire motivation, and it is the only reason why I have ever tried to help anybody.

What is the relevance here? Why are you throwing this in my face? I never called your character and history into question. You're the one who called ME a jew, remember? I didn't call you a jew. I'm not questioning your achievements and the help you've given. So stupid. You're quite fragile, aren't you? If anything I have advocated for you and what you've accomplished here on the forums, and your reputation. When did I attack it, huh? Getting indignant and defensive on me like this when YOU ARE THE ONE WHO CALLED ME a jew! I didn't fucking say anything like that to you! Asshole.

I hope you are able to understand what I am saying and get some idea of what my soul is like. And that everything that you are saying could not possibly be any further opposite from the truth. It is just absolutely ridiculous the things you say.

All my ideas and things I have ever said are now invalid because you say so. Great to fucking know. That's fucking groovy.

What is really going on is it seems like you are such a self-hating, extremist man-hater that your entire soul is consumed by the idea that all men are pure evil. And you project this male-hatred (and maybe also self-hatred) onto everybody you meet. You are so focused on the idea that all men are evil that you do not even have the ability to even imagine a situation where a man is a good person. You have such disgusting hang ups about this that you project it onto everybody else and accuse everybody of being some evil woman-hater when you couldn't possibly be any more wrong about the person. It almost looks like you have the amount of hatred as what I have the amount of love. And you are so consumed by this hatred that you can't even believe that I do not have anything against women, and you are not able to believe me no matter how many times I say it.

You hate all men to such an enormous degree that you are not even able to imagine a man who does not hate women. And I honestly feel extremely sorry for you. I do not know what kind of people you have been around in this life, or in your past lives. But from your perspectives it seems like you may have never even known a single really good man. And if this is true, that is just extremely sad. But I guess I am lucky because all I have ever known have been good men and good women, and I do not have any bad opinion about our people. The worst thing I can say about any of our people is that I am sad for the mistakes that some of them have made, and I only wish they could have been healthier.

I don't hate men. I dislike people who don't take responsibility for what they've done and said. Nor do I hate myself. If I hated myself then I wouldn't be constantly trying to lift myself out of poverty and improve my life, avoid suffering, do all of my personal magick workings and meditations. And I certainly wouldn't be thinking that I could be important enough to change minds and inspire people in such an important place such as the JoS forums which is Father Satan's forums.

I have met good men, and I thought you were one of them. Now I'm becoming a little unsure.

I never fucking accused you of having things against women! You IDIOT! You think every generalization I make about existing attitudes in society is about you! What are you, some kind of narcissist? Not everything is about YOU. You're just accusing yourself and then saying it was I who accused you. That's absurdity.

If this is too personal, I do not want you to answer it. But was your father abusive to your mother? Was he physically abusive? Did you have to watch this as a young child and only wish that you could have protected her? I hope that you did not have to experience anything like this, but if you did at least it would explain where your perspective comes from. And if any of this applies to you, I really hope you can heal from this and get to know some good men that you may be inspired by.

No, I don't have daddy issues. I had mommy issues, and I became a toxic MGTOW years ago because of them. I've since dealt with these issues, and I'm no longer afraid of women because of what my mother put me through. So you see... if anyone has the most reason to absolutely fucking hate feminists for how they treat males, it's ME! I was mentally abused and emotionally abused like you wouldn't believe. Every fucking day of my life since I was a little boy. It never ended. Sometimes I wished that I wouldn't wake up when I laid my head to rest each day, just because I didn't want to go through another day of torment and insanity. The absolutely pointless screaming matches just to get her to leave me alone when she was drunk. Yeah, single motherhood ruined my childhood. I was broken and scared, and I had no one to teach me anything. I had to learn everything on my own including how to socialize with other human beings. I had to study for hours on a computer in my free time just to learn body language and social behaviors because my mind and body were so messed up from years of medications that I was forced on. I had no help, but I pieced myself together. I kept going even when I didn't want to exist for another single day.

I didn't receive a mother's warmth. She was always cold, drunk, and obnoxious. Anytime I received any support or love from her, she would yank it away the next day, the next hour, whatever. She would build me up just to tear me down again, over and over again until compliments meant nothing to me because I didn't trust them.

I recovered from the mental insanity and scars from all of that. 20+ years of that never ending nightmare that was my childhood. Sometimes I don't know how I did it, how I endured. I'm a much healthier human now, and a big part of that is thanks to Tabby's support.

I never needed ass kissing nor do I demand it. Wrong is wrong, and when I think something is wrong, I call it out. Any respect I've gained on these forums has been hard fought for and earned. I don't expect anything but the Truth and honest, honorable conversation. You can be sarcastic, you can be snide, you can be however you want. I've even gotten used to SouthernWhiteGentile and his abrasiveness. What I don't like is false representation of what I'm saying, and then an emotional meltdown with it ending in all this finger pointing and blame dumping. You're the one who assumed what Tabby was suggesting because of your blinders and narrow vision.

 

[Jack]

I think the sheep comparison is fine because they are similar to greys in many ways. They appear as Featureless, genderless, thoughtless borgs that just follow their herd which is led by the Shepard (reptilian).


As much as you two talk about nature you are forgetting a major part of it that shows why this point doesn’t work.

LOOKS MATTER/PERCEPTION IS REALITY.

The Ram may be the same creature, but like I said above the sheep LOOK weak and stupid while the Ram has the perception of being strong and masterful because of its more “masculine” appearance.

Let’s do a hypothetical human example. In this case “following the herd” can be anything related to the current JWO agenda.

Tell me what comes to your mind when you see both of these people. Would you have guessed that he took a covid shot and voted for Biden? Of course not! He looks like a beast that could rip you in half. He’s probably a libertarian guy that spends his life in the gym and playing football. He probably has a lifted truck. He’s probably demeaning towards his wife and tells her to make sandwiches all day. But that’s not true, he’s actually a big fan of feminist literature and mask wearing. He also drives a Prius. Are you surprised?

Now look at the woman. If you told someone that she was “part of the herd” and supportive of the enemies agenda they would probably say, “of course, how could she not be? Look at how tiny she is, how could this woman possibly stand up to BigJew™.”

Now back to reality. Of course there are lots of women that are not part of the herd and are in this very group pushing back against the enemy (such as yourself). There’s also lots of “Rams” that aren’t any better than the sheep of the herd.

But the Ram, or the mountain (guy in photo) looks strong and like a leader so we attribute that characteristic to him even if it’s untrue solely because of their appearance and the Aura that it gives off.

This guy looks like a sterioded out freak and no one would trust him to be a leader. People on steroids have extreme amounts of estrogen which makes them extremely moody and emotional like a woman ,unfit to being a leader in any way.

While you have a great point, can't you see why this would be unnecessarily offensive to women? Just read this as a lurker on our forums. Great advertising for Satan's forums, innit?

There is nothing offensive about this ,unless one takes offense to it. The vast majority of women are like this and we must acknowledge that reality. I'm not speaking of every woman, but I'm talking in Probabilities.

The issue with modern society is that we aren't acknowledging the differences between women and men. It is assumed that a woman is equal to a man when she's not.

And this is biological in nature and cannot be overcome with Social Conventions like Liberalism or Feminism. Women have 10 times more White matter than men on average, which rules emotional and interpersonal connections. This makes women emotional in nature much more than men. I'm not trying to be offensive but this is just a fact.

Men on the other hand have 4 times more Gray matter than women which rules logic and reason. This is why women inventors, philosophers, political philosophers etc are few and far in between. Even feminism was created by Jewish men and given to the populace through Front Jewish women.

Women are biologically designed by nature to care and nurture children, not take leadership decisions in society and go out to fight the world. That is a mans job and the reason why almost 40% of women are single and 1 in 4 women is on anti depressants in the United States. A childless woman over 40 years of age is the most unhappiest demographic in the Western world.

You cannot be afraid to fight against evil and say it as it is. Satanism is about Brutal truths that need to be said. You cannot cloud your truth just to appeal to the lowest common denominator. You have politics for that.

 

[tabby]

I read everything and I really tried my best to understand you... however, I can not see what you are so upset about.

You told me it is not about sexism or that you think we treat feminine aspects with no respect.

The Ram is just an allegory along with the horns. Yes, they are holy in Satanism, yet you don’t take it too literal.

Regarding the sheep, you insult people as „sheep“ not because of xianity or because they are just female rams, no - you do it to point out their foolish behaviour of simply following orders, and acting without thinking for themselves. You insult them as sheep, as they have no individuality and are the same as the „other sheep“ who simply do what they are told to. Nobody tries to break out, think for themselves or even disobeys and follows their own nature. You do this as humans are humans and not sheep, so you should behave like an independent individual, not like a sheep.

Sorry, I have no clue about Xianity, as I never accepted it and also never paid attention in school when they indoctrinated us. However, when xians think of themselves as sheep, maybe they just accept that they don’t even try to be human?

Rams on the other hand have their own individuality, they do what they want, if you get in their way they will tackle you and so on...

The good thing is that we don’t have to agree on everything, we also don’t have to fathom why others think or feel differently. And it’s okay - as long as we still stand together and see the bigger picture, everything is alright.

In that sense - have a good night Tabby.

Well, actually I’m not upset about anything other than the fact I’m getting called sexist by another member over a misunderstanding of views and presenting points and arguments.

When I was capitalising in one of my comments to you earlier that was just me emphasising that ram is the same animal as a sheep, it’s literally the males with horns of the species. So it confused me why we hate on sheep, look down on them, but praise the males who have horns.

I wanted to challenge people’s thinking as to why they view sheep so terribly as stupid mindless animals. The issue I have is they’re not as stupid and dumb as so many seem to think. That’s just what we think we observe on the outside.

Through all this I realised that the distinction has nothing to do with anything other than sheep = xtianity. But continuing to hate on sheep for this sole reason and misunderstanding these creatures to be stupid - is what bothers me. They’re an animal at the end of the day, regardless of how their image is used. Why can’t we learn to understand that the traditional view of them is misplaced? And think better of this creature that is only being looked down on because of its associations to xtards.

It’s hard to explain the thought process. I’m trying the best I can to be clear.

The part about “is this done by the enemy on purpose?” was just me thinking a little harder on the subject.

The good thing is that we don’t have to agree on everything, we also don’t have to fathom why others think or feel differently. And it’s okay - as long as we still stand together and see the bigger picture, everything is alright.

Agreed.

 

[Jrvan]

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Could either of you, or both of you, please do me one favor? Could you please read this message, and understand what I am saying, and maybe answer it if you want? Because I honestly feel like both of you have just been skipping over what I write and not even reading it.

If you noticed, our replies have been very thorough. We didn't skip anything. We evaluated your arguments, we evaluated your perception of our arguments, and we determined that you have the wrong idea about what we are saying. We think you have an incorrect assessment.

Do you agree that sheeps and rams do not have the same behaviours, they have absolutely different actions and different habits from each other? They live seperately from each other, and live completely different lifestyles. I am talking about in nature, not on a farm where they are all forced into the same little fenced in area.

First of all, you mean ewes. Rams are sheep. And secondly, yes I agree. Just like men and women have different behaviors.

The rams are all very independent, they live by themselves, they climb to extremely high heights, and they sometimes fight each other.

And sheep basically just sit in a field or a valley eating grass and they do not seem to do much of anything most of the time. I am not saying there is anything wrong with this, but that's what they do.

If you did not know that these were the same species and you were to judge them only by their actions and lifestyles, they act so differently from each other that it could almost seem like they are 2 different seperate animals.

Same with men and women. I've heard people say things like "Men are from Mars, and women are from Venus" to imply that they're so different from each other that they're a different species. But they're all human, and they each have their roles.

My entire point is that the common symbolic ideas about these animals is directly related to the actions and lifestyle of the animal. And that the qualities they are symbolic of are the exact same qualities of what these animals actually do every day.

And correct me if I am wrong, but it looks like both of you are continuously ignoring all of these things. You are ignoring all of the differences between their lifestyles, and you are ignoring how their lifestyles align with and agree exactly with their symbols. And you end up basically just saying that rams are a good symbol only because they are men and only men get to be a good symbol, and sheep are sometimes a bad symbol only because they are women and all women must be a bad symbol because everything is sexist so the sexist evil men have to always make the woman be a bad symbol.

That's not the way we have been saying it though. We're not trying to equal the playing field. We just think it's weird that a lot of people seem to have an unhealthy hatred towards ewes.

Could you see why this confuses me? It just looks like nonsense to me, and looks like it has no connection to reality. Actually it is both of you who are being sexist by acting like the only thing that matters is which sex they are.
"Judge not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
This is what I am doing, but with sex instead of color. And it seems like both of you only judge by which sex they are, and pay zero attention to their actual character.

If you're trying to meet in the middle to make peace then you have a funny way of doing it. Throwing the accusation back at us while asking us to understand is a bad tactic.

Tabby saying that we shouldn't hate ewes or think of them as stupid and lowly doesn't mean she wants to tear down the glory of the ram to make the ewes feel better about themselves. She's saying that we shouldn't think so little of ewes, and that's it. What is so wrong with that? You're only proving that you are determined to hate on ewes because you perceive them to be stupid.

Putting words in her mouth, calling her a radical feminist, and making all these assumptions about what she's talking about and what you think she's implying - that is irresponsible, dishonest, and a terrible thing to do to one of your Sisters in Satan.

 

[Wayofthegods]

Either way its all pretty lame. We fought for decades to have people not think of themselves as sheep. Now you want to return the few back to it. Which does anyone nothing but connect them to christianity.

Animals are Satanic, not xian. I want to change how people think of the animal.

People thought for ages that serpents and snakes are sly, mischievous liars who are up to no good. When people come to Satanism, their impression of snakes change. Why can't it be the same with ewes? Why would thinking positively about female sheep connect them into xianity? Animals don't connect people into xianity.

Because a sheep is a docile stupid animal. That is sheered for its wool. This animal was used by the christian church for centuries as an insult to Gentiles. Now drop your christianity, obviously you need to go unprogram, if you are really at the level of wanting to call yourself a sheep. Or you are jew that is jewwing. Which is what it honestly looks like. Probably a bet placed that you could get Jos people to call themselves sheep are some stupid shit.

No one is stupid enough to buy what you are peddling. We just watch and laugh.

 

[Wayofthegods]

I want to know if I'm right about you so I will ask: do you have baggage in regards to feminism? Have you had bad experiences with feminists and women who attacked your manhood, honor, and good character, and called it all into question?

No I have not. As I have been saying for a while now, so far all of your assumptions about me are not only wrong, but are basically the exact opposite of the truth.

I have never had bad experiences with women or feminists. I do not have any problem relating to all of the women I know. Of the mix of male and female energies that all existing things are made of, my soul is mostly feminine type energies. I am a heterosexual man, I do not mean feminine in this kind of way. But the extreme majority of the energies of my soul is all Venus type energy. Both in my natal chart, in my history, and in the many planet squares that I have done, it would not be too much of an exaggeration to say that I am nearly entirely Venus energy.

Anything you say in trying to hint about me being anti-women could not possibly be any more opposite of the truth. I am often thinking every day that our women are the absolute most valuable thing in the world, and that a man's entire purpose is to care for our women and children. I have the same infinite love for our species of people that the gods have for us.

And as I have already said, this is the entire reason why all of your dumb accusations of sexism are so annoying and so ridiculous. Because I honestly can't think of any way to describe me that could ever be further from the truth. And your whole attitude that every single possible way for anybody to react to you that does not include profusely kissing your ass means that the person is some evil or sexist person, it is absolutely retarded and disgusting.

Have you seen the amount of help I have given people over the years? Have you seen the number of comments I have written? I admit I have written some dumb things before, but the extreme majority of all of my posts are just me trying to help as many people as possible. And it has no benefit for me because surely if I spent this time and effort on helping myself that would be much better for me. But all of the energies of my soul are so extremely nurturing, caring, and loving that I am required to spend my effort on helping the people I care about, which is our family here. My purpose is to take care of women and children, protect them, and help them in every way. And at the same time, to also be helping men in the greatest possible amount so that they all may become stronger and more effective at protecting and taking care of their own women and children. This is basically my souls entire motivation, and it is the only reason why I have ever tried to help anybody.

I hope you are able to understand what I am saying and get some idea of what my soul is like. And that everything that you are saying could not possibly be any further opposite from the truth. It is just absolutely ridiculous the things you say.


What is really going on is it seems like you are such a self-hating, extremist man-hater that your entire soul is consumed by the idea that all men are pure evil. And you project this male-hatred (and maybe also self-hatred) onto everybody you meet. You are so focused on the idea that all men are evil that you do not even have the ability to even imagine a situation where a man is a good person. You have such disgusting hang ups about this that you project it onto everybody else and accuse everybody of being some evil woman-hater when you couldn't possibly be any more wrong about the person. It almost looks like you have the amount of hatred as what I have the amount of love. And you are so consumed by this hatred that you can't even believe that I do not have anything against women, and you are not able to believe me no matter how many times I say it.

You hate all men to such an enormous degree that you are not even able to imagine a man who does not hate women. And I honestly feel extremely sorry for you. I do not know what kind of people you have been around in this life, or in your past lives. But from your perspectives it seems like you may have never even known a single really good man. And if this is true, that is just extremely sad. But I guess I am lucky because all I have ever known have been good men and good women, and I do not have any bad opinion about our people. The worst thing I can say about any of our people is that I am sad for the mistakes that some of them have made, and I only wish they could have been healthier.

If this is too personal, I do not want you to answer it. But was your father abusive to your mother? Was he physically abusive? Did you have to watch this as a young child and only wish that you could have protected her? I hope that you did not have to experience anything like this, but if you did at least it would explain where your perspective comes from. And if any of this applies to you, I really hope you can heal from this and get to know some good men that you may be inspired by.

This is so obviously a jew. Hes been here a couple of months and now wants to enforce everyone call themselves sheep? Hes not interested in learning or talking about anything of value. Just endless kike talk about how we all need to go Ba Ba Ba.

Can we not just moderate this stupid jew and delete this post already?

 

[Jack]

Sexism should be accepted and acknowledged by men to being their default behavior. This belief that women want to be treated at the same level as men or held to the same burden of performance is a fake ideological construct that does not adhere to reality.

The majority of Women like sexist men and the majority of women are internally attracted to men who treat them like a woman, not equal.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201812/feminists-think-sexist-men-are-sexier-woke-men

Men are being emasculated by ideological brainwashing that teaches them to treat women as their equal which means they will always have problems with dealing with women. This is done meticulously to create an artificial war between the sexes. If men started acknowledging that men and women are different, have different roles and be proud of their sexism then the Western world will change overnight.

Protip - Always pay on a date ,if she even reaches for the money inside her purse that pussy will dry up like the Sahara desert.

I disagree with the phrasing, as the things you describe have nothing to do with sexism or "being on the same level".

Sexism is discrimination based on a person's sex. Paying for someone on a date is not an example of sexism, as it is merely doing someone a favour, which may impress them. Behaving charismatically in a way that women are likely to find attractive isn't sexism either, it's just flirting. To call those things sexism is an insult from people who really suffered from sexism; those who lost their lives or freedom because others deemed it acceptable to take those things away from them just because they were male or female in the wrong environment or situation. Think of what muslims do to women or homosexual boys. That's what sexism really is.

As for levels, whether you bring in money or bear children isn't a matter of superiority or inferiority. If everyone just does what they want and what they're good at, that's fine. You don't have to be good at the same things to be on the same level as each other, and it's often good to complement things the other person lacks; although some overlap can be a good thing too, as it can allow a couple to relieve each other's burdens and make things easier on both people involved.

The things that you are describing don't exist in the Western world at large. On the opposite side, the things that I am describing is being described at length in the western world as sexism.

Also, Moslems don't take women for dates.

 

[tabby]

Tell me again that sheep are stupid animals...

https://youtu.be/kD639z9iM4o
https://youtu.be/QXQRs8IOhfA
https://youtu.be/jhXlLN67exk
https://youtu.be/wY4IsDoPppk
https://youtu.be/3Ff3rrD7ITA
https://youtu.be/QOInwaQ4xh4
https://youtu.be/nDXlZTsgjPs

If you have the time to do some reading, here’s some good stuff:
https://www.wellbeingintlstudiesrepository.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1374&context=animsent

Executive function has been probed in adult sheep using three standard tests: visual discrimination learning, reversal learning, and attentional set-shifting. The discrimination tasks start from simple color discriminations to compound discriminations to intradimensional (color) shifts and reversal to extradimensional (shape) shifts and reversal. Sheep can perform not only the discrimination tasks and reversals but also the most complex tasks – the intra- and extra-dimensional set- shifting tasks – parallelling the performance of humans and macaque monkeys (Morton & Avanzo 2011). When the first rule shift occurs, the sheep show visible signs of anxiety and frustration. Attentional set-shifting is another challenging executive function in rule learning and reversal that sheep perform on a par with primates.

Sheep can learn to discriminate between various flavors and generalize food knowledge on the basis of flavor (Launchbaugh 1994; Vilalba & Provenza 2000 a, b). They can also use their ability to discriminate tastes to self-medicate when they are ill (Vilalba et al. 2006). A number of studies show how sheep learn to discriminate between different edible plants using mental categorization. Sheep can categorize plants at the species level (Ginane & Dumont 2010, 2011) and can classify food items at an even higher level (including at least two species), demonstrating that they are able to create a hierarchical representation of food categories, i.e., nested levels of perceptual information (Ginane & Dumont 2010, 2011), in much the same way chimpanzees have been shown to classify flowers (Tanaka 2001).

Bighorn rams and ewes:
https://youtu.be/I56UWob8C0A
https://youtu.be/RbMmrbx7Lyw

So can we move on from this negative view of sheep please?

 

[tabby]

Forgot a link:
https://youtu.be/0lnFyxrH8ig

 

[tabby]

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Do you agree that sheeps and rams do not have the same behaviours, they have absolutely different actions and different habits from each other? They live seperately from each other, and live completely different lifestyles. I am talking about in nature, not on a farm where they are all forced into the same little fenced in area.

The rams are all very independent, they live by themselves, they climb to extremely high heights, and they sometimes fight each other.

And sheep basically just sit in a field or a valley eating grass and they do not seem to do much of anything most of the time. I am not saying there is anything wrong with this, but that's what they do.
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To add on to my other comments on showing you how your views of these animals don't match with what is really happening out there. Regarding herding patterns, this is seen both in the wild and on domestic farms. It doesn't matter where the location is or if the herd is made up of domestic sheep, wild sheep or horses or cows or zebras, or if the herd is large or small. The herding pattern is the same.

You think sheep are inferior or stupid for following the other sheep in front of them. All herding animals have this instinct, it is their way of survival because (and I'm repeating myself at this point) it makes it very difficult for a predator to attack such a formation. Let me show you:

Massive sheep flock following each other to move out of the way of a car:
https://youtu.be/08KZugZx5o8

Herding patterns:
Domestic sheep https://youtu.be/DMiC_3894lk
Wildebeest https://youtu.be/W5HvzR5B870
Zebras https://youtu.be/GKrP_ROLP2o
Buffalo https://youtu.be/v8ODUXEJ0rw
Horses https://youtu.be/ZWK_GUQc3KQ
Wild mountain sheep https://youtu.be/gtTzh8_IbeI

Sheep are not inferior or stupid for how they behave. If you see my other links in another comment, you'll see an example of a wild ram herd grazing together the same way domestic sheep graze on a farm.

For everything that is domestic, there is a wild counterpart. But this difference of wild vs domestic is not as far apart as you think it is. The patterns observed in wild dogs and wolves can be observed in your friendly house dog. The stalking and hunting behaviours you see in wild big cats can be observed in your domestic house cat. The herding and grazing patterns of wild sheep can be seen in their domestic counterparts on a farm.

So why do you regard sheep so differently to rams? With everything I am trying to show you, the videos, the pictures, all of it. I would think by now you would understand my view point, and how I have responded to you. But you won't look past the basics which are not actually true. Rams flock. They have herds. They graze the grass and bond in groups just as the ewes do. These are social animals. I'm not saying this to undermine their glory, this behaviour is entirely observable, and I show that in a couple of the links in another comment before this one. You can see it for yourself. The sheep do the same thing, and the wild mountain ewe sheep also climb high cliffs and run up the mountains. That's what they do as their particular species. Being female doesn't change what they are as an animal. They are mountain sheep, they reside in the mountains.

You say I ignore their differences, which I haven't been this whole time. It was noticing the difference in treatment, thought patterns, symbolism and common misconceptions towards sheep and rams that caused me to realise everything I have about this issue. But you will not acknowledge the similarities and the exact same patterns that occur within both, and seem to be jumping through logical back hoops, going as far as to attack jrvan with false assumptions, to "prove" to us that rams and sheep are SO different, that you cannot compare them.

Clearly you can. They are the same animal. Being male or female does not change the survival strategies hardwired into their species whether domestic or wild.

This comes straight back to what I have been trying to explain this whole time but you will not look past the trigger words "sheep" and "sexist". We separate and think differently about rams and sheep because of the connections to xtianity. Now that I have shared all this information as to why the views xtianity placed on sheep is wrong, can we stop thinking so lowly of this animal? Because by continuing to do so, we are ACCIDENTALLY being sexist about this species, because a ram is a sheep, and if we don't hate on rams (take them out of the equation), what you are left with is all the sheep who do not have horns and are not male. Because the specific definition of a ram is "a male horned sheep". This means the ewes and the lambs.

If I am sexist for pointing this out, holy fucking shit dude.
Why and how is saying "can we stop hating sheep? They're not stupid animals..." suddenly equal "you hate rams! You're sexist and want to diminish the males!"?

I don't know what got you running in circles about all of this. What is so wrong about wanting the hatred and misunderstandings about sheep to stop? Otherwise we are accidentally hating on all other sheep who are not the males with horns. All because of xtards! It's madness.

To cover all my bases here. This difference in thought towards rams and sheep has nothing to do with the symbolism of horns, might, intelligence or otherwise. Those wild mountain ewes have horns, and are perfectly capable of living in the mountains with their rams. Sheep are very intelligent animals. It all just comes back to xtianty stealing our symbols and putting their usual stupid ideas upon our animals and giving them horrible symbolism. Can we change that please? I thought we were meant to seek truth and flush out the old teachings the enemy has pushed on everyone and everything.

 

[SouthernWhiteGentile]

Trying to reclaim the sheep as a symbol of Satanism is like trying to reclaim the 6 pointed star of vishnu there’s too much negativity surrounding it just let the enemy keep it.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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I am very sorry for any misunderstanding. I completely agree with everything you said in this comment, and you did teach me things about these animals that I didn't know before.

I think the mercury retrograde has been influencing me to misunderstand people recently, and I am very sorry if I have offended you because I never intended to.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

This is so obviously a jew.

I do not agree with this. I feel that him and his wife are both very good people. I was thinking that they were misunderstanding me, but I was misunderstanding them just as much so it is my fault too. Maybe mostly my faul.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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You are right. Most of the things that I thought about this animal were wrong. Thank you for teaching me the truth about them. I do have a lot more respect for them now.

I am very sorry for misunderstanding you, and I only wish the best for you and your husband.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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I am very sorry for misunderstanding both of you. I know most of this was my fault. I think the mercury retrograde has been influencing me to misunderstand people recently, and I am sorry for not being more careful.

And I never called either of you a jew. I guess I explained everything very badly, but the thing that upset me was that it seemed like you kept accusing me of being sexist and then every time I said that I wasn't you just kept saying "Are you sure you're not? I think you are subconsciously and if you look closer at yourself you will see that you really are."
And any way I would answer this or try to explain it, you kept saying that you thought I really was.

And it seemed to me to be similar to a priest accusing someone of being a witch, and then when they deny it in any way he just says "That's exactly what a witch would say." and burns them anyway. It kind of felt like you were doing this kind of thing to me with repeatedly accusing me of being sexist or having problems against women. And my point was that acting like any way that I could possibly respond, acting like it was all more proof of me being subconsciously sexist (or whatever term you used), this seemed to me like a "jewy" way to argue with someone. This is all that I said, and I never intended to say that either of you are actually jews. Only that you were arguing in a way that they often do.

But I admit I was the one misunderstanding the most, and I was also arguing like a jew worse than you were because of me misunderstanding. And I am sorry for this. I never meant to cause any harm for either of you, and I only want what is best for both of you.


I know that this is not an excuse and that I should have had better control of myself, but I say this just for context. For the last 5 or 6 weeks I have been working almost every day for 14 or 16 hours. Leaving at 5:30am and often not getting home until 9:30pm. And my job is very physically difficult and tiring. Then only getting maybe 4 hours of sleep until I have to do it again. My mind and my body are both very tired, and this has turned me very impatient when I used to have much more patience. Being so tired has also affected me by causing to misunderstand what people are trying to say, and misunderstand what their intentions are. I used to be very good at feeling people's intentions, but I guess being so tired has made it more inaccurate now. And I guess mercury retrograde has only been making these problems even worse.

I never wanted to argue with anyone, and I never wanted to cause any misunderstandings. So I am sorry for doing that. And I never wanted to cause any problem for either of you.

 

[Blackdragon666]

This guy looks like a sterioded out freak and no one would trust him to be a leader. People on steroids have extreme amounts of estrogen which makes them extremely moody and emotional like a woman ,unfit to being a leader in any way.

While you have a great point, can't you see why this would be unnecessarily offensive to women? Just read this as a lurker on our forums. Great advertising for Satan's forums, innit?

There is nothing offensive about this ,unless one takes offense to it. The vast majority of women are like this and we must acknowledge that reality. I'm not speaking of every woman, but I'm talking in Probabilities.

The issue with modern society is that we aren't acknowledging the differences between women and men. It is assumed that a woman is equal to a man when she's not.

And this is biological in nature and cannot be overcome with Social Conventions like Liberalism or Feminism. Women have 10 times more White matter than men on average, which rules emotional and interpersonal connections. This makes women emotional in nature much more than men. I'm not trying to be offensive but this is just a fact.

Men on the other hand have 4 times more Gray matter than women which rules logic and reason. This is why women inventors, philosophers, political philosophers etc are few and far in between. Even feminism was created by Jewish men and given to the populace through Front Jewish women.

Women are biologically designed by nature to care and nurture children, not take leadership decisions in society and go out to fight the world. That is a mans job and the reason why almost 40% of women are single and 1 in 4 women is on anti depressants in the United States. A childless woman over 40 years of age is the most unhappiest demographic in the Western world.

You cannot be afraid to fight against evil and say it as it is. Satanism is about Brutal truths that need to be said. You cannot cloud your truth just to appeal to the lowest common denominator. You have politics for that.

You are saying the truth but I don't get why you would casually throw this in a statement about bad leadership on the forums. I wasn't offended at all but I think it's not really necessary and just does some totally unnecessary damage. Women are indeed more sensitive and in tune with their emotions in general, and men are not equal to women.

 

[Sunny]

Just because the mouse has some characteristics and abilities that the cat does not have, that does not make it equal or superior to the cat. The one who is stronger and who dominates is superior. Being dependent on inferiors does not make you inferior or equal.

In the food chain, some life forms depend on others, others are more independent and when they need to survive and protect themselves, they evolve, i.e. they develop.

Humanity is literally superior in everything and to all other life forms on this planet.

Humanity's current level of development is not very high but humanity is advancing and will advance endlessly. The other life forms in this world are also advancing and will advance endlessly but they are far inferior to humans.

Humans would become monsters if they filled themselves with biological features and sensors from dogs, crocodiles, sharks, snakes, cats, eagles etc. Humans not only develop their physical bodies but also go deeper and even beyond their bodies.

In the future we will be able to create and synthesise every plant and animal product that plants and animals create and synthesise. The terms, synthetic, chemical, non-biological, non-natural things, are stupid and retarded beliefs.

Synthesising or chemical reactions or chemistry is not the problem, but the recipe. We can learn many things and endlessly from other life forms, that is why diversity in nature is important. Just as we can study, research and learn endlessly in the microcosm and macrocosm and thus advance endlessly in the universe.

Neither jrvan or I are saying animals are equal to each other in strength, power, intelligence, craftiness, survival strategies, etc.

Humans and animals could have a beautiful coexistence and work together with a mutual bond for the benefit of everyones wellbeing and ability to thrive. I believe we are meant to have bonds with animals. The way of our creation divides us from them, but are we not all made of the energy from Father Satan?

Animals carry negative connotations. In our journey to be advanced and superior, we lose our respect for the others of Father’s and Mother’s creations simply because we have a different level of power.

How can I think of myself as superior to all other lifeforms when they know better than I do about life and survival? And will probably always know better about those things because I don’t have to have my head low to the ground fighting day-in-day-out. I don’t have to live without the comforts and luxury civilisation provides me. I don’t have to wonder when my next meal will come or if I will die by someone else’s hungry stomach tomorrow.

If the aim of humanity is to recreate everything in nature, what would be the point to life? If we could do everything animals could, there would be no point to their existence. They have their purpose and we have ours.

“The one who is stronger and who dominates is superior.” If that is true, why did society fall to the likes of the jews? They are a vile, smaller number of parasites, weaker on all levels to gentiles. Yet here we are under their thumb. What happened? How does something so inferior dominate something so superior?

How does a parasite like them kill a healthy adult human? Power is not in who dominates who or who is superior. Otherwise there would not be a war.

What is the definition of superior or inferior to you? What makes something strong to you? What makes them weak? - Genuinely asking here, I’m curious about your thought process behind this.

If animals or other life forms are not equal to each other, it means that there are superior and inferior.

In our journey of development and advancement, we do not lose respect for other life forms, beings like the enemy do.

Bacteria, plants, bears, whales and other life forms inferior to mankind know no more about life than you do. Just because they have discovered and know something that humanity has not yet discovered and does not know, that does not make them equal or superior to humanity.

For example, some life forms do not have eyes, ears, noses or anything else. This makes them inferior to life forms that do have these features and capabilities. The comparison is not only in size but also in capability.

The territory and living conditions that mankind has, it has earned through its capabilities and level of development. Just as other life forms earn the territory and living conditions they can with their capacities and power. DNA is a real book of power written chemically in code.

I would like to tell you something interesting but I don't want to make this answer too long so I would suggest that you do your own in-depth research into the brains of reptiles, birds, mammals and humans and compare them.

I am not saying to remove plants and animals but to create the products we need in a more advanced and better way and to give a better life to other life forms as well. For example, it is better to create meat in industrial machines instead of slaughtering animals, I am talking about real meat and not fake and junk meat.

The jews are enemies, this is verifiable in their actions and plans. And we can hate and offend them for what they do but you should know that jews are not literary fleas or fleas in human form. The jews are human and therefore are similar to Gentiles.

It is the beings that the jews follow that are inferior to our Gods. We too were about to leave behind the superiors of the jews but we were not and are not yet sufficiently advanced to protect ourselves without the help of the Gods from beings like the superiors of the jews. Of course, the jews are their allies and physical agents on this planet.

Not only must there be development and spiritual advancement en masse but also development and advancement in all planes of existence in order to approach and follow the Gods.

 

[NinRick]

I read everything and I really tried my best to understand you... however, I can not see what you are so upset about.

You told me it is not about sexism or that you think we treat feminine aspects with no respect.

The Ram is just an allegory along with the horns. Yes, they are holy in Satanism, yet you don’t take it too literal.

Regarding the sheep, you insult people as „sheep“ not because of xianity or because they are just female rams, no - you do it to point out their foolish behaviour of simply following orders, and acting without thinking for themselves. You insult them as sheep, as they have no individuality and are the same as the „other sheep“ who simply do what they are told to. Nobody tries to break out, think for themselves or even disobeys and follows their own nature. You do this as humans are humans and not sheep, so you should behave like an independent individual, not like a sheep.

Sorry, I have no clue about Xianity, as I never accepted it and also never paid attention in school when they indoctrinated us. However, when xians think of themselves as sheep, maybe they just accept that they don’t even try to be human?

Rams on the other hand have their own individuality, they do what they want, if you get in their way they will tackle you and so on...

The good thing is that we don’t have to agree on everything, we also don’t have to fathom why others think or feel differently. And it’s okay - as long as we still stand together and see the bigger picture, everything is alright.

In that sense - have a good night Tabby.

Well, actually I’m not upset about anything other than the fact I’m getting called sexist by another member over a misunderstanding of views and presenting points and arguments.

When I was capitalising in one of my comments to you earlier that was just me emphasising that ram is the same animal as a sheep, it’s literally the males with horns of the species. So it confused me why we hate on sheep, look down on them, but praise the males who have horns.

I wanted to challenge people’s thinking as to why they view sheep so terribly as stupid mindless animals. The issue I have is they’re not as stupid and dumb as so many seem to think. That’s just what we think we observe on the outside.

Through all this I realised that the distinction has nothing to do with anything other than sheep = xtianity. But continuing to hate on sheep for this sole reason and misunderstanding these creatures to be stupid - is what bothers me. They’re an animal at the end of the day, regardless of how their image is used. Why can’t we learn to understand that the traditional view of them is misplaced? And think better of this creature that is only being looked down on because of its associations to xtards.

It’s hard to explain the thought process. I’m trying the best I can to be clear.

The part about “is this done by the enemy on purpose?” was just me thinking a little harder on the subject.

The good thing is that we don’t have to agree on everything, we also don’t have to fathom why others think or feel differently. And it’s okay - as long as we still stand together and see the bigger picture, everything is alright.

Agreed.

Again...

You call people sheep, when they are just following orders, even if it goes against their own interest. You call people sheep, when they don’t think for themselves. You call people sheep when they are afraid to show their own colours and individuality.

It is nothing wrong with the Sheep (animal) per se. However, Humans are no sheep, so we shouldn’t behave like sheep. Do you understand that?

Humans are strong, independent, strong-willed, have unfathomable potential, we are highly individual, that’s what we should be - HUMANS!

Those of Satan are Wolfes in sheep‘s clothing. We are Predators! We are the enemy of the „Shepherd“, we are no goyim, we are no cattle!
We are warriors, howling wolfs of Satan!

Hail Satan!

 

[NinRick]

There is nothing offensive about this ,unless one takes offense to it.

Let me shake your hand.

 

[Jrvan]

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I am very sorry for misunderstanding both of you. I know most of this was my fault. I think the mercury retrograde has been influencing me to misunderstand people recently, and I am sorry for not being more careful.

And I never called either of you a jew. I guess I explained everything very badly, but the thing that upset me was that it seemed like you kept accusing me of being sexist and then every time I said that I wasn't you just kept saying "Are you sure you're not? I think you are subconsciously and if you look closer at yourself you will see that you really are."
And any way I would answer this or try to explain it, you kept saying that you thought I really was.

And it seemed to me to be similar to a priest accusing someone of being a witch, and then when they deny it in any way he just says "That's exactly what a witch would say." and burns them anyway. It kind of felt like you were doing this kind of thing to me with repeatedly accusing me of being sexist or having problems against women. And my point was that acting like any way that I could possibly respond, acting like it was all more proof of me being subconsciously sexist (or whatever term you used), this seemed to me like a "jewy" way to argue with someone. This is all that I said, and I never intended to say that either of you are actually jews. Only that you were arguing in a way that they often do.

But I admit I was the one misunderstanding the most, and I was also arguing like a jew worse than you were because of me misunderstanding. And I am sorry for this. I never meant to cause any harm for either of you, and I only want what is best for both of you.


I know that this is not an excuse and that I should have had better control of myself, but I say this just for context. For the last 5 or 6 weeks I have been working almost every day for 14 or 16 hours. Leaving at 5:30am and often not getting home until 9:30pm. And my job is very physically difficult and tiring. Then only getting maybe 4 hours of sleep until I have to do it again. My mind and my body are both very tired, and this has turned me very impatient when I used to have much more patience. Being so tired has also affected me by causing to misunderstand what people are trying to say, and misunderstand what their intentions are. I used to be very good at feeling people's intentions, but I guess being so tired has made it more inaccurate now. And I guess mercury retrograde has only been making these problems even worse.

I never wanted to argue with anyone, and I never wanted to cause any misunderstandings. So I am sorry for doing that. And I never wanted to cause any problem for either of you.

Apology accepted. I need to cool down now. It's been a long time since I got that angry.

For further elucidation, I wasn't actually trying to call you sexist. I was hypothesizing that maybe you were angry at radical feminists in general for the outrageous way they behave (understandably), so you might be too reactive and triggered when you see someone talking about sexism. I thought maybe you had a fear of the word "sexist." I turned out to be wrong about that. That part of my comment was actually very separate from the rest of what I was saying. I was tossing out the hypothesis for your own benefit in case I was right. How do I explain it better? It's not that I was accusing you of sexism, it's that I was suggesting maybe you had a problem with *accusations* of sexism (for anyone, not just yourself). Does that make sense? That was my line of thinking which turned out to be wrong.

And Tabby wasn't making it a thing about sexism for the most part anyway, nor was she accusing anyone of such. When we talk about stuff like this we're not necessarily talking about anyone on the JoS. A lot of my post was a commentary on society.

The funniest part about all of this to me is that you and I, the males, were the most emotionally reactive while Tabby, the female, was the most calm, collected, logical, and scientific about the whole thing. It's really quite hilarious, I think.

By the way, I think that Mercury came out of Retrograde motion a while ago. Sometime in late June if I remember correctly.

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This is so obviously a jew. Hes been here a couple of months and now wants to enforce everyone call themselves sheep? Hes not interested in learning or talking about anything of value. Just endless kike talk about how we all need to go Ba Ba Ba.

Can we not just moderate this stupid jew and delete this post already?

Fuck you too. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. I've been here for nearly a year. And I have every right to defend myself and react in kind when I am attacked like that. Haven't you done that before? Everyone has seen you react explosively when called out by others - it's not a crime. Before my reactive response here, my replies to everyone were thoughtful and measured. If you can't handle thought provocation and new ideas then that's your own fault, and it's a shameful thing as a Satanist. If you read the link that Tabby shared, it's very scientific, comprehensive, thorough, well-sourced, and enlightening. It examines the behavior and cognition of domestic sheep, and gives evidence for a theory that the reason people think of them as stupid is because of the advent of industrial farming. It's a very good article, and I read it beforehand to be sure it was scientific enough to be presented as evidence of our points. I was pleasantly surprised by it.

It's really sad that Tabby had to waste her time to do everyone's research for them, just to prove what she already knew about sheep. Pathetic. Apparently it's easier to call me a jew than actually investigate what the Truth is.

 

[Jrvan]

Either way its all pretty lame. We fought for decades to have people not think of themselves as sheep. Now you want to return the few back to it. Which does anyone nothing but connect them to christianity.

Animals are Satanic, not xian. I want to change how people think of the animal.

People thought for ages that serpents and snakes are sly, mischievous liars who are up to no good. When people come to Satanism, their impression of snakes change. Why can't it be the same with ewes? Why would thinking positively about female sheep connect them into xianity? Animals don't connect people into xianity.

Now drop your christianity, obviously you need to go unprogram, if you are really at the level of wanting to call yourself a sheep. Or you are jew that is jewwing. Which is what it honestly looks like. Probably a bet placed that you could get Jos people to call themselves sheep are some stupid shit.

Actually I was saying the people of the JoS were the shepherds, but okay. Nice short-term memory loss bud. You okay?

 

[tabby]

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I am very sorry for any misunderstanding. I completely agree with everything you said in this comment, and you did teach me things about these animals that I didn't know before.

I think the mercury retrograde has been influencing me to misunderstand people recently, and I am very sorry if I have offended you because I never intended to.

.......

You are right. Most of the things that I thought about this animal were wrong. Thank you for teaching me the truth about them. I do have a lot more respect for them now.

I am very sorry for misunderstanding you, and I only wish the best for you and your husband.

All good. If my time on all this helped you to learn some new things then I’m happy, and I can rest better tonight knowing that this misunderstanding is all cleared up.

Animals are quite a passionate subject for me, and I got to learn some new things too along the way both about sheep and rams. So despite the upsets this was still overall pretty positive experience.

This misunderstanding actually gave me a chance to try change the view of this animal, and give my logic brain a stretch.

Shake hands and carry on, yeah?

 

[Jrvan]

I read everything and I really tried my best to understand you... however, I can not see what you are so upset about.

You told me it is not about sexism or that you think we treat feminine aspects with no respect.

The Ram is just an allegory along with the horns. Yes, they are holy in Satanism, yet you don’t take it too literal.

Regarding the sheep, you insult people as „sheep“ not because of xianity or because they are just female rams, no - you do it to point out their foolish behaviour of simply following orders, and acting without thinking for themselves. You insult them as sheep, as they have no individuality and are the same as the „other sheep“ who simply do what they are told to. Nobody tries to break out, think for themselves or even disobeys and follows their own nature. You do this as humans are humans and not sheep, so you should behave like an independent individual, not like a sheep.

Sorry, I have no clue about Xianity, as I never accepted it and also never paid attention in school when they indoctrinated us. However, when xians think of themselves as sheep, maybe they just accept that they don’t even try to be human?

Rams on the other hand have their own individuality, they do what they want, if you get in their way they will tackle you and so on...

The good thing is that we don’t have to agree on everything, we also don’t have to fathom why others think or feel differently. And it’s okay - as long as we still stand together and see the bigger picture, everything is alright.

In that sense - have a good night Tabby.

Well, actually I’m not upset about anything other than the fact I’m getting called sexist by another member over a misunderstanding of views and presenting points and arguments.

When I was capitalising in one of my comments to you earlier that was just me emphasising that ram is the same animal as a sheep, it’s literally the males with horns of the species. So it confused me why we hate on sheep, look down on them, but praise the males who have horns.

I wanted to challenge people’s thinking as to why they view sheep so terribly as stupid mindless animals. The issue I have is they’re not as stupid and dumb as so many seem to think. That’s just what we think we observe on the outside.

Through all this I realised that the distinction has nothing to do with anything other than sheep = xtianity. But continuing to hate on sheep for this sole reason and misunderstanding these creatures to be stupid - is what bothers me. They’re an animal at the end of the day, regardless of how their image is used. Why can’t we learn to understand that the traditional view of them is misplaced? And think better of this creature that is only being looked down on because of its associations to xtards.

It’s hard to explain the thought process. I’m trying the best I can to be clear.

The part about “is this done by the enemy on purpose?” was just me thinking a little harder on the subject.

The good thing is that we don’t have to agree on everything, we also don’t have to fathom why others think or feel differently. And it’s okay - as long as we still stand together and see the bigger picture, everything is alright.

Agreed.

Again...

You call people sheep, when they are just following orders, even if it goes against their own interest. You call people sheep, when they don’t think for themselves. You call people sheep when they are afraid to show their own colours and individuality.

It is nothing wrong with the Sheep (animal) per se. However, Humans are no sheep, so we shouldn’t behave like sheep. Do you understand that?

Humans are strong, independent, strong-willed, have unfathomable potential, we are highly individual, that’s what we should be - HUMANS!

Those of Satan are Wolfes in sheep‘s clothing. We are Predators! We are the enemy of the „Shepherd“, we are no goyim, we are no cattle!
We are warriors, howling wolfs of Satan!

Hail Satan!

One of the cool things about humans is that they have the capability to learn the skills and behaviors of many different animals. They can be like different animals for many different roles, and they can learn through observation the many different patterns of all these different animals to gain an understanding and appreciation of each.

Humans can behave like lions with a harem of lionesses. They can behave like a wolf pack and mate for life for their pups and family. They can learn to master their agility, dexterity, and obstacle navigation like monkeys or squirrels. They can utilize Morse Code to send signals like dolphins. They can build airplanes, helicopters, hot air balloons, etc... to fly like birds. They can design, craft, and lay traps to catch food just like a spider does. And so, so, so much more. Humans aren't limited to only one animal comparison. Humans can be whatever they want to be or need to be, whenever they need to be (or want to be).

Why limit yourself to only one animal comparison? Do you just really like wolves, or what is it? It's just a simple observation and fact that human civilization can be compared to a sheep society. It's not surprising considering that they were one of the earliest domesticated animals along with dogs. Humans lived and evolved alongside them.

 

[tabby]

Again...

You call people sheep, when they are just following orders, even if it goes against their own interest. You call people sheep, when they don’t think for themselves. You call people sheep when they are afraid to show their own colours and individuality.

It is nothing wrong with the Sheep (animal) per se. However, Humans are no sheep, so we shouldn’t behave like sheep. Do you understand that?

Humans are strong, independent, strong-willed, have unfathomable potential, we are highly individual, that’s what we should be - HUMANS!

Those of Satan are Wolfes in sheep‘s clothing. We are Predators! We are the enemy of the „Shepherd“, we are no goyim, we are no cattle!
We are warriors, howling wolfs of Satan!

Hail Satan!

Do we call soldiers in the military stupid sheep for following orders? Do we call wolves stupid for following the alpha? Do we call ourselves stupid for following the orders of Satan?

You should read and watch the videos I have shared around this thread about sheep. They are far more intelligent than most even care to know. They are individual because they all have personalities. Is a sheep really so lacking in individuality because it lives in a herd? Are we less individual because we live in family groups?

If we did not follow our leaders we would not have an army for Satan to guide. We would be scattered individuals floating around each doing our own thing with no synchronisation to attack the enemy with. A mass of soldiers or warriors move together like a herd in war against the enemy because sticking together makes for a stronger force, and harder for the enemy to pick off members of the opposing force.

Those who have never spent time around sheep or other herding animals wouldn’t know this, because they simply see an animal that looks the same as the rest of its herd that follows each other.

“we shouldn’t behave like sheep” -> this comes back to the misconceptions about sheep created by xtianity. Pretty sure our ancestors didn’t think so lowly of this animal. Modern farmers who properly care for their animals certainly don’t think this way about their sheep.

To not behave like a sheep is to what exactly if we look at the reality of this animal? To not be a sheep, would be to be a different species. Something that isn’t social, doesn’t have bonds, doesn’t stick together to protect each other, doesn’t have personality, doesn’t have emotions, etc.

A shepherd is a leader guiding the herd. So how are we an enemy of leaders? Our enemy are the jews, and any who actively turn their blade on Father.

I’ll just quote myself here...

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You’re right that we’re not sheep or cattle. But neither are we wolves and lions, elephants or buffalo. We’re humans. Half of ourselves is chaos, the other half is civilised, and we consciously choose to grow and harmonise them. What we should be is ourselves because we can’t compare our species and situation to the likes of the animal kingdom. At least not directly.

Humans are their own kind. That’s something we forget. With the right leaders, humans could tap into the potential they have and be an incredible species once again. But like anything, a bad leader will bring ruin to good people as jrvan is stating. We blame these overly domestic people who don’t know war or struggle, and have been bred and taught by bad leaders to be stupid.
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[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

Relax guys, there is no need to attack each other over these things. It's all about words.

Nobody meant to denigrate sheep here by the statement. They are good animals.

Humans are also in a similar state, and we therefore [some of us] take care of them, until they understand better for themselves.

Yet, being a sheep, is not good for Satanists, because the enemy now only leads people into disasters.

Yes, wolves are a better representation of the power and organization of the pack, without the BS of sheep required. Sheep can be really stupid as animals to say the least.

 

[Jrvan]

Just because the mouse has some characteristics and abilities that the cat does not have, that does not make it equal or superior to the cat. The one who is stronger and who dominates is superior. Being dependent on inferiors does not make you inferior or equal.

In the food chain, some life forms depend on others, others are more independent and when they need to survive and protect themselves, they evolve, i.e. they develop.

Humanity is literally superior in everything and to all other life forms on this planet.

Humanity's current level of development is not very high but humanity is advancing and will advance endlessly. The other life forms in this world are also advancing and will advance endlessly but they are far inferior to humans.

Humans would become monsters if they filled themselves with biological features and sensors from dogs, crocodiles, sharks, snakes, cats, eagles etc. Humans not only develop their physical bodies but also go deeper and even beyond their bodies.

In the future we will be able to create and synthesise every plant and animal product that plants and animals create and synthesise. The terms, synthetic, chemical, non-biological, non-natural things, are stupid and retarded beliefs.

Synthesising or chemical reactions or chemistry is not the problem, but the recipe. We can learn many things and endlessly from other life forms, that is why diversity in nature is important. Just as we can study, research and learn endlessly in the microcosm and macrocosm and thus advance endlessly in the universe.

Neither jrvan or I are saying animals are equal to each other in strength, power, intelligence, craftiness, survival strategies, etc.

Humans and animals could have a beautiful coexistence and work together with a mutual bond for the benefit of everyones wellbeing and ability to thrive. I believe we are meant to have bonds with animals. The way of our creation divides us from them, but are we not all made of the energy from Father Satan?

Animals carry negative connotations. In our journey to be advanced and superior, we lose our respect for the others of Father’s and Mother’s creations simply because we have a different level of power.

How can I think of myself as superior to all other lifeforms when they know better than I do about life and survival? And will probably always know better about those things because I don’t have to have my head low to the ground fighting day-in-day-out. I don’t have to live without the comforts and luxury civilisation provides me. I don’t have to wonder when my next meal will come or if I will die by someone else’s hungry stomach tomorrow.

If the aim of humanity is to recreate everything in nature, what would be the point to life? If we could do everything animals could, there would be no point to their existence. They have their purpose and we have ours.

“The one who is stronger and who dominates is superior.” If that is true, why did society fall to the likes of the jews? They are a vile, smaller number of parasites, weaker on all levels to gentiles. Yet here we are under their thumb. What happened? How does something so inferior dominate something so superior?

How does a parasite like them kill a healthy adult human? Power is not in who dominates who or who is superior. Otherwise there would not be a war.

What is the definition of superior or inferior to you? What makes something strong to you? What makes them weak? - Genuinely asking here, I’m curious about your thought process behind this.

If animals or other life forms are not equal to each other, it means that there are superior and inferior.

In our journey of development and advancement, we do not lose respect for other life forms, beings like the enemy do.

Bacteria, plants, bears, whales and other life forms inferior to mankind know no more about life than you do. Just because they have discovered and know something that humanity has not yet discovered and does not know, that does not make them equal or superior to humanity.

For example, some life forms do not have eyes, ears, noses or anything else. This makes them inferior to life forms that do have these features and capabilities. The comparison is not only in size but also in capability.

The territory and living conditions that mankind has, it has earned through its capabilities and level of development. Just as other life forms earn the territory and living conditions they can with their capacities and power. DNA is a real book of power written chemically in code.

I would like to tell you something interesting but I don't want to make this answer too long so I would suggest that you do your own in-depth research into the brains of reptiles, birds, mammals and humans and compare them.

I am not saying to remove plants and animals but to create the products we need in a more advanced and better way and to give a better life to other life forms as well. For example, it is better to create meat in industrial machines instead of slaughtering animals, I am talking about real meat and not fake and junk meat.

The jews are enemies, this is verifiable in their actions and plans. And we can hate and offend them for what they do but you should know that jews are not literary fleas or fleas in human form. The jews are human and therefore are similar to Gentiles.

It is the beings that the jews follow that are inferior to our Gods. We too were about to leave behind the superiors of the jews but we were not and are not yet sufficiently advanced to protect ourselves without the help of the Gods from beings like the superiors of the jews. Of course, the jews are their allies and physical agents on this planet.

Not only must there be development and spiritual advancement en masse but also development and advancement in all planes of existence in order to approach and follow the Gods.

Umm... us not slaughtering animals for food isn't going to stop wild animals from slaughtering animals for food. And I'm really curious to know how they create dead flesh in a lab. I haven't heard of that. Can you provide some links to such things? By definition, meat is dead flesh. So I just don't understand how they can make "real" meat in a laboratory. That doesn't make sense to me. Wouldn't it all be "fake" meat by definition if it didn't come from flesh of another creature?

Personally I don't consider jews to be human. They're another invading species that is different from us.

Those are the topics you mentioned that I wanted to respond to. We don't have to agree on everything, just sharing my views.

 

[Jrvan]

Relax guys, there is no need to attack each other over these things. It's all about words.

Nobody meant to denigrate sheep here by the statement. They are good animals.

Humans are also in a similar state, and we therefore [some of us] take care of them, until they understand better for themselves.

Yet, being a sheep, is not good for Satanists, because the enemy now only leads people into disasters.

Yes, wolves are a better representation of the power and organization of the pack, without the BS of sheep required. Sheep can be really stupid as animals to say the least.

Part of our argument is that sheep as well as any animal can appear stupid to a human observer. The guy in the video in one of the links Tabby shared explains that really well. He explains that we can construct arguments to say that any farm animal is stupid. It's right here: https://youtu.be/0lnFyxrH8ig

Not all people are going to end up being Satanists in this lifetime though. You said we were going to get politicians elected who will favor our side eventually. Would those politicians not be comparable to shepherds for all the people of society?

By contrast, right now we have jewish politicians. Those would be bad shepherds.

 

[NinRick]

You focus on the wrong things too much.

If you find sheep this cool, you can be sheep, I don’t care. I have even no clue why you are arguing in the first place, feels like you are arguing just for the sake of it.

Ask people on the streets what it means when people call other people sheep.

It is common sense.

 

[Jrvan]

Relax guys, there is no need to attack each other over these things. It's all about words.

Nobody meant to denigrate sheep here by the statement. They are good animals.

Humans are also in a similar state, and we therefore [some of us] take care of them, until they understand better for themselves.

Yet, being a sheep, is not good for Satanists, because the enemy now only leads people into disasters.

Yes, wolves are a better representation of the power and organization of the pack, without the BS of sheep required. Sheep can be really stupid as animals to say the least.

If you don't have time for the video link (which I'm guessing is the case) then here are the main notes from the video:

"It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions." - Mark Twain

Horses are dumb: "I've never heard the phrase horses are dumb, but I could make up some reasons that horses are dumb"
1. doesn't automatically know its way through barrel racing course. Doesn't know what to do unless it has a rider on its back.
2. always fall for the "carrot and stick" routine.
3. often refuse to drink when led to water.

"It's not just horses. We could put any animal in the barnyard in here and say that they're dumb. For example..."
<Insert animal here> are dumb
1. Cows are dumb:
Just chew and look at you. Blank stare.

2. Dogs are dumb:
Dogs eat their own vomit.

3. Chickens are dumb:
Runs around after head is cut off.

4. Pigs are dumb:
Return to the mud after being cleaned off.

Now let's talk about sheep and how smart they are. ... If the sheep don't want to go in the pen then they aren't going to go in there. In fact, one of the shepherds in the competition said that when you're trying to pen a sheep, you're playing against a world class chess master. They're always one step ahead of you. So if they don't want to get penned then it's not going to go very well. So the shepherds to get an advantage here they have to call in for some help. They actually bring in their sheep dogs to help them pen those sheep. Now one you have to know how to work with the sheepdog. But the sheepdog actually works with the shepherd to triangulate and get those sheep in the pen, and those sheep have a healthy respect for that sheepdog so that helps them get in there. But those sheep, if you don't know what you're doing, they're always going to be one move ahead of you, and you're never gonna get them in that pen. Even experienced shepherds have a hard time penning sheep from time to time because they're so crafty and savvy.

It's a really good video, and if you're interested then you can watch the rest sometime.

 

[Jrvan]

You focus on the wrong things too much.

If you find sheep this cool, you can be sheep, I don’t care. I have even no clue why you are arguing in the first place, feels like you are arguing just for the sake of it.

Ask people on the streets what it means when people call other people sheep.

It is common sense.

Small-minded reply. She was courteous to you, and then you're rude back. You and your fake smile trick. Tch.

 

[Jrvan]

You focus on the wrong things too much.

If you find sheep this cool, you can be sheep, I don’t care. I have even no clue why you are arguing in the first place, feels like you are arguing just for the sake of it.

Ask people on the streets what it means when people call other people sheep.

It is common sense.

Also, common sense and popular perception are not the same thing. That's false.

 

[Jrvan]

Relax guys, there is no need to attack each other over these things. It's all about words.

Nobody meant to denigrate sheep here by the statement. They are good animals.

Humans are also in a similar state, and we therefore [some of us] take care of them, until they understand better for themselves.

Yet, being a sheep, is not good for Satanists, because the enemy now only leads people into disasters.

Yes, wolves are a better representation of the power and organization of the pack, without the BS of sheep required. Sheep can be really stupid as animals to say the least.

I forgot to mention that I never said SS should be sheep. Aldrick said that I said that which I did not.

 

[tabby]

You focus on the wrong things too much.

If you find sheep this cool, you can be sheep, I don’t care. I have even no clue why you are arguing in the first place, feels like you are arguing just for the sake of it.

Ask people on the streets what it means when people call other people sheep.

It is common sense.

I find all animals cool in their own ways, and I feel quite strongly that it’s not right to label any animal as stupid. I don’t think of something as stupid by what it can or can’t do, or by what it’s behaviour seems to be in a survival situation. Because that takes into factor only one thing and nothing else about it.

Why does finding an animal cool have to mean I want to be like that animal? I want to be me. And I am being me by sharing and arguing my points as to why we shouldn’t think of sheep as stupid, one of the most common misconceptions about this animal.

All I’m doing is pointing out the logical ideas surrounding this animal that doesn’t make sense, and then challenging that thinking to find what is the root cause for why sheep - specifically, not any other animal that are very much similar to sheep in both behaviour and survival strategies, even separating rams as a totally different category - are used for derogatory slang and comparisons to societal behaviour.

You said before:

You call people sheep, when they are just following orders, even if it goes against their own interest. You call people sheep, when they don’t think for themselves. You call people sheep when they are afraid to show their own colours and individuality

But we don’t call people rams or horses or buffalo or any other herding animals that do exactly what sheep do which is follow their herd, and follow their leader.

Is it wrong for me to argue, provide evidence to back my arguments, in order to break the negative mindset towards sheep? And point out the cognitive dissonance that is going on?

Or am I totally wrong here in thinking that the reason we single out sheep is because of its association to xtianity and lack of offical announcement that this animal is sacred?

 

[Jack]

While you have a great point, can't you see why this would be unnecessarily offensive to women? Just read this as a lurker on our forums. Great advertising for Satan's forums, innit?

There is nothing offensive about this ,unless one takes offense to it. The vast majority of women are like this and we must acknowledge that reality. I'm not speaking of every woman, but I'm talking in Probabilities.

The issue with modern society is that we aren't acknowledging the differences between women and men. It is assumed that a woman is equal to a man when she's not.

And this is biological in nature and cannot be overcome with Social Conventions like Liberalism or Feminism. Women have 10 times more White matter than men on average, which rules emotional and interpersonal connections. This makes women emotional in nature much more than men. I'm not trying to be offensive but this is just a fact.

Men on the other hand have 4 times more Gray matter than women which rules logic and reason. This is why women inventors, philosophers, political philosophers etc are few and far in between. Even feminism was created by Jewish men and given to the populace through Front Jewish women.

Women are biologically designed by nature to care and nurture children, not take leadership decisions in society and go out to fight the world. That is a mans job and the reason why almost 40% of women are single and 1 in 4 women is on anti depressants in the United States. A childless woman over 40 years of age is the most unhappiest demographic in the Western world.

You cannot be afraid to fight against evil and say it as it is. Satanism is about Brutal truths that need to be said. You cannot cloud your truth just to appeal to the lowest common denominator. You have politics for that.

You are saying the truth but I don't get why you would casually throw this in a statement about bad leadership on the forums. I wasn't offended at all but I think it's not really necessary and just does some totally unnecessary damage. Women are indeed more sensitive and in tune with their emotions in general, and men are not equal to women.

Your misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not talking about the Forum ,I am talking about Society at large.

 

[Jrvan]

People don't usually call humans in gangs stupid even though they all wear the same colors, all act/talk/think the same, don't do anything to improve their lives, and all they do is try to hurt people, steal, rip people off, and add more people to their gang. We probably should call them stupid, but we don't. Instead we pick on a sacred animal for no good reason. The animal didn't even do anything to us - we just don't like it for some reason, mostly because of our own weird perceptions and judgements. You know who else thinks animals are stupid? Jews.

Why can't we just call stupid people, stupid people? Why is it so absolutely necessary to call them sheep? Even in a recent sermon by the HP, he didn't call them sheep - he called them NPC's. That seems much better to me. It makes much more sense. They're a non-player character, they're so programmed that they don't even play an active role in their own life. They don't participate. Their mind has been wiped away entirely and replaced with a jewish script program. That doesn't sound like a sheep to me, at all. It sounds like someone without a mind of their own. The scientific literature which Tabby shared does prove that sheep are not like that. Their cognitive abilities are actually very, very high.

Some of the most simple arguments I've heard to try to hand-waive what I'm saying are things like: it's just the lingo that people use, it's common sense, it's how everyone talks, sheep are a xian thing. Like lol wtf? We're supposed to be elite, and we aren't supposed to settle for the common perceptions that most people have. Satanists are supposed to be different and strive to be above the rest in their perceptions. We are supposed to seek the Truth no matter what it turns out to be.

If you all want to stay stuck in the same perception as everyone else in society in regards to sheep even though they're wrong, then fine. I'll say nothing more. I understand that we talk the way the commoners talk in order to impart knowledge more easily, but on a personal level we should have a different type of understanding. We should always seek Truth. Shame on me for trying to bring that higher understanding to all of you. Shame on me for trying to enlighten you about something you had a false perception about. Fuck me for trying to seek Truth in even the smallest things that most of you deem a nonissue, and to spread that Truth. Fuck me for making an interesting thread that's different from the norm, and giving everyone something new to think about. Who wants knowledge and facts, right? So boring.

Whatever.

 

[Wayofthegods]

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I am very sorry for misunderstanding both of you. I know most of this was my fault. I think the mercury retrograde has been influencing me to misunderstand people recently, and I am sorry for not being more careful.

And I never called either of you a jew. I guess I explained everything very badly, but the thing that upset me was that it seemed like you kept accusing me of being sexist and then every time I said that I wasn't you just kept saying "Are you sure you're not? I think you are subconsciously and if you look closer at yourself you will see that you really are."
And any way I would answer this or try to explain it, you kept saying that you thought I really was.

And it seemed to me to be similar to a priest accusing someone of being a witch, and then when they deny it in any way he just says "That's exactly what a witch would say." and burns them anyway. It kind of felt like you were doing this kind of thing to me with repeatedly accusing me of being sexist or having problems against women. And my point was that acting like any way that I could possibly respond, acting like it was all more proof of me being subconsciously sexist (or whatever term you used), this seemed to me like a "jewy" way to argue with someone. This is all that I said, and I never intended to say that either of you are actually jews. Only that you were arguing in a way that they often do.

But I admit I was the one misunderstanding the most, and I was also arguing like a jew worse than you were because of me misunderstanding. And I am sorry for this. I never meant to cause any harm for either of you, and I only want what is best for both of you.


I know that this is not an excuse and that I should have had better control of myself, but I say this just for context. For the last 5 or 6 weeks I have been working almost every day for 14 or 16 hours. Leaving at 5:30am and often not getting home until 9:30pm. And my job is very physically difficult and tiring. Then only getting maybe 4 hours of sleep until I have to do it again. My mind and my body are both very tired, and this has turned me very impatient when I used to have much more patience. Being so tired has also affected me by causing to misunderstand what people are trying to say, and misunderstand what their intentions are. I used to be very good at feeling people's intentions, but I guess being so tired has made it more inaccurate now. And I guess mercury retrograde has only been making these problems even worse.

I never wanted to argue with anyone, and I never wanted to cause any misunderstandings. So I am sorry for doing that. And I never wanted to cause any problem for either of you.

Apology accepted. I need to cool down now. It's been a long time since I got that angry.

For further elucidation, I wasn't actually trying to call you sexist. I was hypothesizing that maybe you were angry at radical feminists in general for the outrageous way they behave (understandably), so you might be too reactive and triggered when you see someone talking about sexism. I thought maybe you had a fear of the word "sexist." I turned out to be wrong about that. That part of my comment was actually very separate from the rest of what I was saying. I was tossing out the hypothesis for your own benefit in case I was right. How do I explain it better? It's not that I was accusing you of sexism, it's that I was suggesting maybe you had a problem with *accusations* of sexism (for anyone, not just yourself). Does that make sense? That was my line of thinking which turned out to be wrong.

And Tabby wasn't making it a thing about sexism for the most part anyway, nor was she accusing anyone of such. When we talk about stuff like this we're not necessarily talking about anyone on the JoS. A lot of my post was a commentary on society.

The funniest part about all of this to me is that you and I, the males, were the most emotionally reactive while Tabby, the female, was the most calm, collected, logical, and scientific about the whole thing. It's really quite hilarious, I think.

By the way, I think that Mercury came out of Retrograde motion a while ago. Sometime in late June if I remember correctly.

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This is so obviously a jew. Hes been here a couple of months and now wants to enforce everyone call themselves sheep? Hes not interested in learning or talking about anything of value. Just endless kike talk about how we all need to go Ba Ba Ba.

Can we not just moderate this stupid jew and delete this post already?

Fuck you too. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. I've been here for nearly a year. And I have every right to defend myself and react in kind when I am attacked like that. Haven't you done that before? Everyone has seen you react explosively when called out by others - it's not a crime. Before my reactive response here, my replies to everyone were thoughtful and measured. If you can't handle thought provocation and new ideas then that's your own fault, and it's a shameful thing as a Satanist. If you read the link that Tabby shared, it's very scientific, comprehensive, thorough, well-sourced, and enlightening. It examines the behavior and cognition of domestic sheep, and gives evidence for a theory that the reason people think of them as stupid is because of the advent of industrial farming. It's a very good article, and I read it beforehand to be sure it was scientific enough to be presented as evidence of our points. I was pleasantly surprised by it.

It's really sad that Tabby had to waste her time to do everyone's research for them, just to prove what she already knew about sheep. Pathetic. Apparently it's easier to call me a jew than actually investigate what the Truth is.

We have zero interest in being sheep. I dont give a shit if a sheep is a good animal. The Christian's have used this for centuries for a reason. Cows are good animals too, I suppose in your next rabbinical post you will be educating us all on calling ourselves cows. I mean that's what goy means after all.

You jews are all the same. Oh didnt you do this on other people!! Oh the humanity!! Look at me be a victim everyone! 6 gorrilion tears are coming out. Yes it's always such mean and nasty Aldrick, calling jews out Jewing. You wanna know something else funny? Almost all the people I have fought with in the past.....are gone.

Your little cursing shit seems to be a tad broken now too...... it's only going to get worse for all of you.

Maxine had a sermon once, she said imagine the audacity of being called a sheep. A stupid animal that gets fleeced. This serves literally no purpose to push. Are you helping new people here? Are you coming up with new meditations? Writing a motivation piece? A poem perhaps?

No...a shit post about how we need to call ourselves sheep with the JOS as our shepherds, which would imply to everyone we cannot think and do whatever we are told. To become the laughing stock of the Satanic world if we did that. Your jewish comrades would be pounding their fists spitting in laughter.

But I guess it's up to me, to point out the obvious. Now how about you do as your shepherd tells you and move along, sheep boy.

 

[tabby]

You focus on the wrong things too much.

If you find sheep this cool, you can be sheep, I don’t care. I have even no clue why you are arguing in the first place, feels like you are arguing just for the sake of it.

Ask people on the streets what it means when people call other people sheep.

It is common sense.

Am I sensitive about subjects that I feel passionate about? Yes, very much so.
Do I easily get angry about things I don’t like or agree with? Yes.
Do I get upset when misunderstood? Yes, naturally. It’s stressful and frustrating when communication doesn’t go smoothly, because you have to figure out what the issue is that’s blocking the other persons ability to understand yourself or vice versa. For example with Ol, he felt we were accusing him of things that we weren’t, and thought my whole argument was that “we only like rams because they’re male and hate sheep because they’re female”.

And with you feeling that my focus is poor and I’m arguing for no reason other than I want to argue. When I’m just struggling to understand why only specifically sheep are used to describe anyone that falls into the category of : stupid, dumb, blind follower, weak, mindless, etc, when the animal itself is not any of these things, and express my points as best as I can.

Do I misunderstand easily? Sometimes. It’s hard for me to understand another's mentality or point of view when I can’t physically interact with them. It’s enough of a struggle physically as it is.

Do I argue for the sake of arguing? Yes I have at times actually. I’ve argued over really silly irrelevant things before. I can be argumentative with a short fuse. I like writing about things that I know and I get excited over being able to share that. But arguing for the sake of arguing wasn’t what I was doing here.

Do I have an issue with misconceptions about animals because of their common meanings? Well yes, and I desire to try to change the thoughts about animals and have others understand that the words and their metaphoric meanings don’t always represent the animal accurately.

Some believe bad things about certain animals (not just sheep) simply for their metaphoric meanings, and I think if we can learn to not hate or look down on the animals themselves despite bad raps, that would be a positive thing. It can create problems in other ways if these views continue the way they have.

This thread has been a perfect example that merely the word “sheep” can’t be uttered without people having their hackles raise, despite the animal itself having nothing negative about it. Merely the word “sexist” can cause upheaval and misunderstandings based on its connotations create by bad people.

Thanks to this thread, I can understand better just how powerful words and symbolism are in the minds of people. If we apply that to the rest of humanity, it’s no wonder it’s so hard to wake people up. Because trigger words like Father’s name, the image of goats, or snakes, etc, invoke such intense fear and a whole bunch of negative emotions within people that it causes them to shut down and not listen to a thing you say. I have to wonder how we can reverse that on the mass scale, given how horribly ingrained into the subconscious mind such symbols are.

jrvan was simply trying to break the common symbol that ‘sheep are bad’ as a metaphor regarding society, when it’s the shepherds ie leaders (currently brainwashed jew freaks or outright jews) that are actually the major issue not the actual “sheep”. If we had good leaders of society then it wouldn’t be such a bad thing to follow like a “sheep”.

Bad leaders = bad people (or good people become ruined and turn into bad people)
Good leaders = good people (or people who were once bad, grow and become healthy people of society)

That is all that he was challenging here.

As for me. I steered more to the literal animal, since the metaphors have caused some to hate or think negatively about sheep, in which I tried to provide information as to why sheep are smart and wonderful animals, and show why the reasons we make a distinction between rams and sheep (being that rams are not stupid, but sheep are stupid etc) could be potentially a bad thing.

 

[Jrvan]

I am very sorry for misunderstanding both of you. I know most of this was my fault. I think the mercury retrograde has been influencing me to misunderstand people recently, and I am sorry for not being more careful.

And I never called either of you a jew. I guess I explained everything very badly, but the thing that upset me was that it seemed like you kept accusing me of being sexist and then every time I said that I wasn't you just kept saying "Are you sure you're not? I think you are subconsciously and if you look closer at yourself you will see that you really are."
And any way I would answer this or try to explain it, you kept saying that you thought I really was.

And it seemed to me to be similar to a priest accusing someone of being a witch, and then when they deny it in any way he just says "That's exactly what a witch would say." and burns them anyway. It kind of felt like you were doing this kind of thing to me with repeatedly accusing me of being sexist or having problems against women. And my point was that acting like any way that I could possibly respond, acting like it was all more proof of me being subconsciously sexist (or whatever term you used), this seemed to me like a "jewy" way to argue with someone. This is all that I said, and I never intended to say that either of you are actually jews. Only that you were arguing in a way that they often do.

But I admit I was the one misunderstanding the most, and I was also arguing like a jew worse than you were because of me misunderstanding. And I am sorry for this. I never meant to cause any harm for either of you, and I only want what is best for both of you.


I know that this is not an excuse and that I should have had better control of myself, but I say this just for context. For the last 5 or 6 weeks I have been working almost every day for 14 or 16 hours. Leaving at 5:30am and often not getting home until 9:30pm. And my job is very physically difficult and tiring. Then only getting maybe 4 hours of sleep until I have to do it again. My mind and my body are both very tired, and this has turned me very impatient when I used to have much more patience. Being so tired has also affected me by causing to misunderstand what people are trying to say, and misunderstand what their intentions are. I used to be very good at feeling people's intentions, but I guess being so tired has made it more inaccurate now. And I guess mercury retrograde has only been making these problems even worse.

I never wanted to argue with anyone, and I never wanted to cause any misunderstandings. So I am sorry for doing that. And I never wanted to cause any problem for either of you.

Apology accepted. I need to cool down now. It's been a long time since I got that angry.

For further elucidation, I wasn't actually trying to call you sexist. I was hypothesizing that maybe you were angry at radical feminists in general for the outrageous way they behave (understandably), so you might be too reactive and triggered when you see someone talking about sexism. I thought maybe you had a fear of the word "sexist." I turned out to be wrong about that. That part of my comment was actually very separate from the rest of what I was saying. I was tossing out the hypothesis for your own benefit in case I was right. How do I explain it better? It's not that I was accusing you of sexism, it's that I was suggesting maybe you had a problem with *accusations* of sexism (for anyone, not just yourself). Does that make sense? That was my line of thinking which turned out to be wrong.

And Tabby wasn't making it a thing about sexism for the most part anyway, nor was she accusing anyone of such. When we talk about stuff like this we're not necessarily talking about anyone on the JoS. A lot of my post was a commentary on society.

The funniest part about all of this to me is that you and I, the males, were the most emotionally reactive while Tabby, the female, was the most calm, collected, logical, and scientific about the whole thing. It's really quite hilarious, I think.

By the way, I think that Mercury came out of Retrograde motion a while ago. Sometime in late June if I remember correctly.

This is so obviously a jew. Hes been here a couple of months and now wants to enforce everyone call themselves sheep? Hes not interested in learning or talking about anything of value. Just endless kike talk about how we all need to go Ba Ba Ba.

Can we not just moderate this stupid jew and delete this post already?

Fuck you too. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. I've been here for nearly a year. And I have every right to defend myself and react in kind when I am attacked like that. Haven't you done that before? Everyone has seen you react explosively when called out by others - it's not a crime. Before my reactive response here, my replies to everyone were thoughtful and measured. If you can't handle thought provocation and new ideas then that's your own fault, and it's a shameful thing as a Satanist. If you read the link that Tabby shared, it's very scientific, comprehensive, thorough, well-sourced, and enlightening. It examines the behavior and cognition of domestic sheep, and gives evidence for a theory that the reason people think of them as stupid is because of the advent of industrial farming. It's a very good article, and I read it beforehand to be sure it was scientific enough to be presented as evidence of our points. I was pleasantly surprised by it.

It's really sad that Tabby had to waste her time to do everyone's research for them, just to prove what she already knew about sheep. Pathetic. Apparently it's easier to call me a jew than actually investigate what the Truth is.

We have zero interest in being sheep. I dont give a shit if a sheep is a good animal. The Christian's have used this for centuries for a reason. Cows are good animals too, I suppose in your next rabbinical post you will be educating us all on calling ourselves cows. I mean that's what goy means after all.

You jews are all the same. Oh didnt you do this on other people!! Oh the humanity!! Look at me be a victim everyone! 6 gorrilion tears are coming out. Yes it's always such mean and nasty Aldrick, calling jews out Jewing. You wanna know something else funny? Almost all the people I have fought with in the past.....are gone.

Your little cursing shit seems to be a tad broken now too...... it's only going to get worse for all of you.

Maxine had a sermon once, she said imagine the audacity of being called a sheep. A stupid animal that gets fleeced. This serves literally no purpose to push. Are you helping new people here? Are you coming up with new meditations? Writing a motivation piece? A poem perhaps?

No...a shit post about how we need to call ourselves sheep with the JOS as our shepherds, which would imply to everyone we cannot think and do whatever we are told. To become the laughing stock of the Satanic world if we did that. Your jewish comrades would be pounding their fists spitting in laughter.

But I guess it's up to me, to point out the obvious. Now how about you do as your shepherd tells you and move along, sheep boy.

And like I already pointed out, it was used long before the xians ever used it. I never said we should call ourselves anything. You're the one telling me what I've said without even trying to wrap your mind around my messages to try to understand.

Think what you want. I'm not a jew. My soul is Satanic, and I serve Satan.

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

The bible refers to the dumb fucks that follow it blindly and without knowing even why they do that, as sheep, and rather proudly. What is holy or acceptable here? By definition, one becomes a Satanist by the rejection of this identity.

On the other hand, the devil is represented as a goat, and we still use GOAT as in a synonym of Greatest Of All Time and for other cool things. Goats also have a similar mindset as a species. Regardless this remains a symbolic thing.

Animals despite of what "is the truth" unavoidably get placed in these categories. Sheep aren't as cool as wolves, nor as clever, let alone as fitting in the so called "Left Hand Path".

All this intense focus appears to be more literary autism focus or mental gymnastics.

I have called careless people as sheep before, for obvious reasons. Even the enemy calls them this, it's a derogatory term to show lack of consciousness and incapacity to make decisions. If you call someone a pig, despite of the "inherent values of pigs", pigs are known to feast on feces and whatever else. This doesn't villify pigs. But if one behaves as a pig, then this is quite vile.

On the other hand, this behavior is not expected from species like humans, and this is what makes the contrast. It's not "pig shaming" nor "femininity shaming" or other literary gymnastic thing.

Of course, this is rather pointless, aside the first topic which described something meaningful on people being "sheep" in a sense, to be guided by some of our own in the future for their own betterment and well-being.

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Or am I totally wrong here in thinking that the reason we single out sheep is because of its association to xtianity and lack of offical announcement that this animal is sacred?

If you all want to stay stuck in the same perception as everyone else in society in regards to sheep even though they're wrong, then fine. I'll say nothing more. I understand that we talk the way the commoners talk in order to impart knowledge more easily, but on a personal level we should have a different type of understanding. We should always seek Truth. Shame on me for trying to bring that higher understanding to all of you. Shame on me for trying to enlighten you about something you had a false perception about. Fuck me for trying to seek Truth in even the smallest things that most of you deem a nonissue, and to spread that Truth. Fuck me for making an interesting thread that's different from the norm, and giving everyone something new to think about. Who wants knowledge and facts, right? So boring.

Whatever.