Does a man ask the woman out?

[Soul Wings]

I wouldn't mind some general advice or opinions if you all wouldn't mind.

I am a woman back out in the dating scene these days, and I'm interested in a man. The thing is he is really shy, to the point where he stutters and blushes around me. So I feel a strong indication that he likes me, but most likely won't ask me out unless I reveal my interest or ask him out first.

The thing is, there's a lot of opinions out there that traditionally the man should ask a woman out first. If he doesn't, you're at risk of being in a relationship that is one sided, you will be planning all the dates yourself and he will be in his "feminine recieving energy" for the rest of your relationship. Or worst case scenario he doesn't even like you, and is saying yes for convenience. It's the same concept with the man paying for the date.

This has actually happened to me you see - my last relationship I did reveal to my crush first that I liked him and the relationship felt very one sided, especially financially and emotionally. I was a total retard for staying as long as I did. I am actually wondering, through healing and therapy, if this guy even liked me to begin with, or whether I was just a placeholder for something better.

Anyways... I'm torn. I know guys love to be asked out and its a huge ego boost which is awesome and I have nothing against that. I know that we are Satanists and drive our own fate. Through each relationship I have had or lost, is a lesson the Gods have given me.

What would you do in my situation?

 

[HPS Lydia]

You brought up valid points. Perhaps compliment him, subtly let him know that you are single and miss dating, but wait for him to ask you out. It's good for men to work up the courage to ask a women out.

I actually knew a woman who was in a similar situation, and she finally got fed up and asked him "are you ever going to ask me out?" He laughed and asked her out. He was relieved because he really liked her but was concerned that she only saw him as a friend.

 

[Egon]

Usually complimenting a man and giving subtle signals isn't enough for many men, as there are many men who are very dense, and men in general don't like or understand subtlety - some women can go court a dude for while then say she wants to sit on his face, and men will be like "nah there's no way she's into me and I will look like a fool if I ask her out".

Do ask him on a date if you can, it doesn't have to be an aggressive declaration but just light-hearted fun between two people, maybe if he drinks just a little he might have the courage to say how he feels towards you.
Which doesn't mean he will be a bad partner or this will be a one sided relationship. That happened to you not because you asked out but simply because it can happen to anyone, even a confident man who asks the woman out might give the same treatment later, or not.

There are successful marriage cases where the woman asked the man out, and unfortunately a lot of mixed marriages happen like that, ie., a woman of color who doesn't have the same social inhibitions a White woman has marries a White man who thought he was undesirable to White women, as he never understood signals or even tried his luck with "unreachable" White women.

 

[FierySoul]

First of all, I don't believe that men should always be the first ones to ask a woman out. It could be more masculine trait, but if a woman likes someone, should she wait just because she is a woman? She should go for it. Also, everyone, no matter what if men or women, should have a confidence to ask someone out and not have social anxiety in general.


It seems that you associate shy guys being asked out by a woman with a possibility of a relationship being one-sided in few aspects, which is somewhat true, because these people have bigger tendency to live in stagnacy, because they take less action in their lifes generally, so you want to avoid a relationg being this way, which is normal thing.

I think an approach to this problem depends on how much you like him. If you like him a little bit, you could go right now find another guy who is confident. If you like him more, you could ask him out and see how things would go and if he shows the behavior want to avoid, you could just end the relationship. But if you like him much, after asking him out if he would show this behavior, then you could help him to become a better version of himself. Just note this last solution requires more effort and time and there is a possibility that he wouldn't want to change (but you should still try).

 

[FierySoul]

You brought up valid points. Perhaps compliment him, subtly let him know that you are single and miss dating, but wait for him to ask you out. It's good for men to work up the courage to ask a women out.

I actually knew a woman who was in a similar situation, and she finally got fed up and asked him "are you ever going to ask me out?" He laughed and asked her out. He was relieved because he really liked her but was concerned that she only saw him as a friend.

Greetings,
As I was reading it, I didn't understand few things and I hope you could clarify them to me.

You wrote that she should wait for him to ask her out, but it sounds like to me that women shouldn't be ones to ask someone out (or just this case is different) and I am wondering if this should happen all the time or it doesn't have to be like that. And I agree with you that it's good for men to ask someone out, but again, what about women? It's also good for them.

Also, you provided the example I believe contradicts what you are saying, because it shows if a woman waits for a man to do this, it can be pointless approach, because in the end she asked him out and I don't think something bad happened when she did that. When a woman decides to just wait, she doesn't know how long it can take and as time passes, a frustration can grow.

Looking forward to your reply.

 

[Karnonnos]

Women can attract problems if they are too direct or come across as aggressive. A lot of men see that as a sign the woman is not desirable or even desperate.

Sometimes it is a necessity of life that women ask men out. That is just elemental as some women have more electric traits. Other times it does put women in a precarious position. Because of your ex, you need to pay close attention if there is a pattern of bad karma here.

There is a difference between passive/magnetic energy in men (some men just have this due to a dominance of female elements and signs on their Chart) and being a parasite that contributes nothing, makes the woman do all the work and doesn't even defend her, while using the woman as a placeholder, and isn't attracted to her but is just using her resources.

Female elements in a man can make someone dopey, 'in their head' or reticent. The other thing is full on abusive and often deliberate. Women can struggle to tell the difference between the two.

Just a piece of advice: never EVER go with a man who insults you relentlessly (I mean beyond teasing), tolerates insults towards you or lets someone else (this includes women, sorry) physically attack you. If he does that, he is a bitch. As a man, I use this criteria for the worthiness of any man and it doesn't fail. Even goofy Will Smith achieved this criterion, whereas many men don't.

It is true a lot of men prefer the hard-to-get routine but going too far with this attracts problems where men will call you uppity and this and that. It's a fine balance.

 

[Masterj810610]

It depends on how other relations that the man had previously too. When you get reject by a woman that you thought was into you and it wasn't.... Unfortunately, there's no easy way to know.

I've had a diffucult time to understand signals, so much that I've always been undecided about if I ask or not, that it always ended up by me doing nothing.

But there is hope. I have a wife and 3 beautiful children now.

 

[AFODO]

Be more open with him, get more comfortable, more personal, playful, loving, etc. Build that bond and I think after a point it will be obvious for both of you that you want each other, he will become less shy and more confident around you also. In this case it doesn't even have to be said that you two are a thing, as a definite thing, at least not in the beginning, just when it's awfully obvious and there is no chance of rejection.

Be reliable, always be there, etc.

I think that's the way to go for shy males. Or at least that's how I would go for myself.

 

[Ancestors666]

I wouldn't mind some general advice or opinions if you all wouldn't mind.

I am a woman back out in the dating scene these days, and I'm interested in a man. The thing is he is really shy, to the point where he stutters and blushes around me. So I feel a strong indication that he likes me, but most likely won't ask me out unless I reveal my interest or ask him out first.

The thing is, there's a lot of opinions out there that traditionally the man should ask a woman out first. If he doesn't, you're at risk of being in a relationship that is one sided, you will be planning all the dates yourself and he will be in his "feminine recieving energy" for the rest of your relationship. Or worst case scenario he doesn't even like you, and is saying yes for convenience. It's the same concept with the man paying for the date.

This has actually happened to me you see - my last relationship I did reveal to my crush first that I liked him and the relationship felt very one sided, especially financially and emotionally. I was a total retard for staying as long as I did. I am actually wondering, through healing and therapy, if this guy even liked me to begin with, or whether I was just a placeholder for something better.

Anyways... I'm torn. I know guys love to be asked out and its a huge ego boost which is awesome and I have nothing against that. I know that we are Satanists and drive our own fate. Through each relationship I have had or lost, is a lesson the Gods have given me.

What would you do in my situation?

To me, I will suggest You don't ask the man out, If the man is Courageous enough and love you, let him do the preaching!!! No matter how you love someone tries to control your emotions and manage yourself.

Besides; Never make someone to feel Superior over you when it's come to love. Men are to love while ladies are to respect the man they love. From your respect and "HUMILITY" that's when a man loves you more.
Also, you should balways be neat infront him and spray fine perfume and used the power of Seduction( Eyes Contact). You will see his going to fall in love with you.
Good luck!!!!

 

[tandt]

You can create more opportunities for him you ask out. For example ask him to help you with something where you are only two.
The other way is to show him that if he delays you can be taken by other guys. Maybe that will push him to act fast.

But after all, my opinion is its the guy that should be asking out.

 

[Yurei]

If a man is introverted then you need to take the initiative and ask him out. Most men aren't mind readers and men who aren't as socially adept may not be able to read signs so you should make your intentions clear.

 

[Soul Wings]

Women can attract problems if they are too direct or come across as aggressive. A lot of men see that as a sign the woman is not desirable or even desperate.

Sometimes it is a necessity of life that women ask men out. That is just elemental as some women have more electric traits. Other times it does put women in a precarious position. Because of your ex, you need to pay close attention if there is a pattern of bad karma here.

Just a piece of advice: never EVER go with a man who insults you relentlessly (I mean beyond teasing), tolerates insults towards you or lets someone else (this includes women, sorry) physically attack you. If he does that, he is a bitch. As a man, I use this criteria for the worthiness of any man and it doesn't fail. Even goofy Will Smith achieved this criterion, whereas many men don't.

It is true a lot of men prefer the hard-to-get routine but going too far with this attracts problems where men will call you uppity and this and that. It's a fine balance.

That is what I am worried about. The last thing I want to be perceived as is desperate. I'm really not. I could go the rest of my life single if it means I don't have to date a trash man. In a way like everybody I do want a connection, but I don't want that desire controlling my actions and logic.

My ex's bad behaviour was from me being limerant/fantasising that things would get better. It didn't, despite multiple mature conversations with him. I should have walked away earlier than I did. You live and you learn.

 

[HPS Lydia]

Greetings,
As I was reading it, I didn't understand few things and I hope you could clarify them to me.

You wrote that she should wait for him to ask her out, but it sounds like to me that women shouldn't be ones to ask someone out (or just this case is different) and I am wondering if this should happen all the time or it doesn't have to be like that. And I agree with you that it's good for men to ask someone out, but again, what about women? It's also good for them.

Also, you provided the example I believe contradicts what you are saying, because it shows if a woman waits for a man to do this, it can be pointless approach, because in the end she asked him out and I don't think something bad happened when she did that. When a woman decides to just wait, she doesn't know how long it can take and as time passes, a frustration can grow.

Looking forward to your reply.

If a woman asks the man out, then there was no accomplishment for him to get her, so he will always subconsciously feel like she wasn't as important. This is a basic age-old part of life that was even in the epics. Men need to win the woman over.

Women can find strength and courage in other ways. We always have challenges and struggles in life, simply asking a guy out doesn't have to be a mission for us. Whereas is always has been for men. It's a basic thing in human nature.

No, a woman asking a man if he will ask her out, is not the same as her asking him out. It's different, even subconsciously.

 

[Sethantes]

If a woman asks the man out, then there was no accomplishment for him to get her, so he will always subconsciously feel like she wasn't as important. This is a basic age-old part of life that was even in the epics. Men need to win the woman over.

Women can find strength and courage in other ways. We always have challenges and struggles in life, simply asking a guy out doesn't have to be a mission for us. Whereas is always has been for men. It's a basic thing in human nature.

No, a woman asking a man if he will ask her out, is not the same as her asking him out. It's different, even subconsciously.

This is stereotypical and assumes that all women and men are the same. Not all men see this as an accomplishment. Shy men with more feminine souls like the guy in the original post doesn't see as a battle to win a woman. If they are told they have to ask a woman out they just lose interest. They are attracted to assertive, masculine women who like asking guys out, not to normal women. I'm speaking as one of those men. I never chased any single woman (they always came to me) and I don't see this as a failure.

 

[Virael_]

Really? A whole thread for that?

Just be yourself and ask him out. Do what you want, you don't have rules to follow.

 

[NinRick]

If a woman asks the man out, then there was no accomplishment for him to get her, so he will always subconsciously feel like she wasn't as important. This is a basic age-old part of life that was even in the epics. Men need to win the woman over.

Women can find strength and courage in other ways. We always have challenges and struggles in life, simply asking a guy out doesn't have to be a mission for us. Whereas is always has been for men. It's a basic thing in human nature.

No, a woman asking a man if he will ask her out, is not the same as her asking him out. It's different, even subconsciously.

I fully agree. I didn’t want to kill the mood here tho.

I would not even want a girl to ask me out, very wrong dynamic. Love is a hunt for the man. He needs to hunt to seek the Prize, or it is not a prize.

Also, do women really want a man, who is afraid of even women?
Who cant make the first move, go in for the kiss, the hug, the sex?
If he talks as he is fucking then well, have fun.

 

[Yurei]

Some women are more extroverted and some men are more introverted.
Some men, like those who have autism, have difficulty reading indicators of interest, this is known as the attraction ambiguity problem.
Ladies, if your man is shy, reserved, anxious or autistic, don't be afraid to take the initiative, be the one to ask him out!
Chances are he feels the same way as you but he's waiting for you to make the first move.

 

[Yurei]

Also, do women really want a man, who is afraid of even women?
Who cant make the first move, go in for the kiss, the hug, the sex?
If he talks as he is fucking then well, have fun.

Because the risk of getting a false rape accusation is too great. What if she changes her mind?
All it takes it one false accusation and his life is over.
Historically women are the ones who gatekeep sex and relationships, therefore I personally wouldn't risk making the first move unless she makes it VERY obvious that she is into me.

 

[ramses13th]

I believe this is a very subjective and situation based topic. If he likes you a lot, then he will. If he doesn't and you like him and wish to try your luck then you will. Same on the other way around.

 

[NinRick]

Because the risk of getting a false rape accusation is too great. What if she changes her mind?
All it takes it one false accusation and his life is over.
Historically women are the ones who gatekeep sex and relationships, therefore I personally wouldn't risk making the first move unless she makes it VERY obvious that she is into me.

You are a man. You need the balls to make the first move and if she rejects you, grow with it. Rejections make u strong.

There is no issue with showing your desires. Desire is life and a turn on.

 

[NinRick]

This is stereotypical and assumes that all women and men are the same. Not all men see this as an accomplishment. Shy men with more feminine souls like the guy in the original post doesn't see as a battle to win a woman. If they are told they have to ask a woman out they just lose interest. They are attracted to assertive, masculine women who like asking guys out, not to normal women. I'm speaking as one of those men. I never chased any single woman (they always came to me) and I don't see this as a failure.

This is not „stereotypical“ at all, but just natural.

This is part of intrinsic characteristics of femininity and masculinity and is true for most cases. This is how nature is.

Work on yourself. It will give you a huge amount of self worth, when you show that you have balls and a penis for a reason, and respect from other men. This is also part of Natural development.

 

[Crystal Lake]

A shy man? If it were me, I wouldn't be interested in shy men.

Imagine a man who's afraid to hug you. I'd better leave him.

 

[Scorpio]

I fully agree. I didn’t want to kill the mood here tho.

I would not even want a girl to ask me out, very wrong dynamic. Love is a hunt for the man. He needs to hunt to seek the Prize, or it is not a prize.

Also, do women really want a man, who is afraid of even women?
Who cant make the first move, go in for the kiss, the hug, the sex?
If he talks as he is fucking then well, have fun.

Agreed. Most women prefer and like it when a man asks her out, because it makes her feel desired and feel feminine. This is a natural dynamic, just like a man proposing to a woman, etc. Even in nature, males usually impress females, not the other way around. Waiting for a woman to approach is not a good option, since it's usually a woman who wants to be approached by a man. It might happen, but it's rare.

What would you do in my situation?

Lady Lydia's and tandt advice are good. I will just add that if a man is truly serious about you, he will ask you out, regardless of whether he is shy or not

 

[Wotanwarrior]

No, a woman asking a man if he will ask her out, is not the same as her asking him out. It's different, even subconsciously.

If you are enough intuitive it is not difficult to notice it, another thing is that you are not interested in dating, once while shopping at the supermarket on Saturday a woman who worked there and has known me for a long time asked me "tonight you go out?" I simply replied: "Nah, I hate bars and I do not like to go out at night" and after that her attitude towards me changed to total indifference.

 

[GoldenxChild1]

I haven't read anyone's comments yet, so I am sorry if this is repetitive.

Speaking from experience, men can be very aloof to subtle advances (myself included), but I think it is important that if he is shy, and perhaps lacking confidence as many men of today do, you take control.

You can establish a friendship with him first, and that is actually recommended, in my opinion. In this way, you can ask to hang out more casually without relinquishing "the first move".

My partner and I were first best friends before we were romantic. You want to marry your best friend.

On a personal level, I think a woman taking the initiative and getting what she wants is sexy, but only if she retains the charm, allure, mystery, and elegance of a powerful woman. Some girls "think" they are that way, but their energy is full of pretense and makes me run the other way.

Hope that helped!

 

[GoldenxChild1]

To add one more thing about my position, a woman making the first move can be alright, to me at least, but if I sense any desperation, insecurity, or false confidence, it's a turn off.

Several woman have made the first move on me before, but the ones that have caught my attention are the ones that if I were to say no, they couldn't care less. So, it's kind of a strange phenomenon. sorry

 

[Hellenic SS]

Men are the ones who ask women out.
Women are the ones who choose whether to accept or not.
A man who ducks out and waits for a woman to approach him is as repulsive as a man who keeps chasing.

 

[existentialcrisis]

If a woman asks the man out, then there was no accomplishment for him to get her, so he will always subconsciously feel like she wasn't as important. This is a basic age-old part of life that was even in the epics. Men need to win the woman over.

Women can find strength and courage in other ways. We always have challenges and struggles in life, simply asking a guy out doesn't have to be a mission for us. Whereas is always has been for men. It's a basic thing in human nature.

No, a woman asking a man if he will ask her out, is not the same as her asking him out. It's different, even subconsciously.

HPS, what are your favorite ancient stories/epics?

 

[Soul Wings]

I will just add that if a man is truly serious about you, he will ask you out, regardless of whether he is shy or not

Yeah, this is something I have been wondering and have seen a lot of advice about. I am chronically shy and I still confessed to my ex. I feel like there is no excuse, just none.
I have had a lot of experiences in my life where I've liked shy guys. But are they really shy? Or are they just inexperienced with girls (hence the stuttering and blushing being misread?) and do not like me back.

 

[Hellenic SS]

Yeah, this is something I have been wondering and have seen a lot of advice about. I am chronically shy and I still confessed to my ex. I feel like there is no excuse, just none.
I have had a lot of experiences in my life where I've liked shy guys. But are they really shy? Or are they just inexperienced with girls (hence the stuttering and blushing being misread?) and do not like me back.

It's just that they have low confidence, which is why they don't have experience. They may be "cute", but are in no way capable of fighting for you, making you feel protected, satisfying you, etc. Not saying that you should chase toxic guys, but women eventually settle for "warrior intellectuals". This is how it should be.

 

[Scorpio]

Yeah, this is something I have been wondering and have seen a lot of advice about. I am chronically shy and I still confessed to my ex. I feel like there is no excuse, just none.
I have had a lot of experiences in my life where I've liked shy guys. But are they really shy? Or are they just inexperienced with girls (hence the stuttering and blushing being misread?) and do not like me back.

Shy men do exist and may lack of confidence.
I know several cases in which very shy men asked their friends for the phone number of the girl they were interested in, and even suddenly started fighting over her. My friend, a girl who is masculine, was asked by the most timid man ever, who also had never been in a relationship before.
Hence, my previous message, because it is natural for men to pursue women. Being shy/inexperienced has nothing to do with it, because when a man likes you, he will fight for you. Also, a man who is attracted to per person will not wait forever for the woman to approach him, because then another man may appear and try to take her away from him.

Generally, when a man is taking an interest in you, he will want to spend as much time with you as possible, perhaps by asking to hang out, inviting for walks, complimenting you, and even the way he looks at you may be an indicator of his interest. You need to observe how he behaves in your presence and whether he gives you signals.

Standing by my opinion, a man should approach you, not the other way around. If he doesn't ask you out, start looking for a man who isn't afraid of rejection. Because a man who thinks you're worth it, won't be afraid of potential rejection from you.

 

[Aquarius]

All men should just find the confidence to go to a random women and do small talk, it's really not that difficult.

 

[HPS Lydia]

HPS, what are your favorite ancient stories/epics?

This would be another post for another time, one that I look forward to but currently don't have the time to delve into, I have other projects on the go

 

[Havoc]

I don’t know why you’re worried so much about it, you don’t want kids so any boyfriend you get is just for fun, so just go have fun with the guy. Maybe he’ll like you and you’ll spend more time together or maybe you won’t but if it doesn’t work out just get another one, it’s not like you’re making a family and it has to work out so worries about getting broken up with are pointless.

The perfect man you expect is looking for mature woman to make a family so stop expecting total loyalty and commitment from immature men with no interest in kids

 

[Soul Wings]

I don’t know why you’re worried so much about it, you don’t want kids so any boyfriend you get is just for fun, so just go have fun with the guy. Maybe he’ll like you and you’ll spend more time together or maybe you won’t but if it doesn’t work out just get another one, it’s not like you’re making a family and it has to work out so worries about getting broken up with are pointless.

The perfect man you expect is looking for mature woman to make a family so stop expecting total loyalty and commitment from immature men with no interest in kids

No one ideally wants to be for the streets for the rest of their life. Unless you're poly or something. Ironically, that is one reason why people have children these days actually - women think they can "baby trap" men, because they are so afraid of being alone.

We cannot control what others do anyway - we can only control how we react.

The only issue with breakups is the god awful grief, if I really liked them. I get physical and mental symptoms like they just died. It's terrible. I couldn't eat properly for weeks even after an amicable breakup. I am still going to therapy to deal with the emotional aftermath, but, sure, it would be nice to just go "Meh, your loss, next" like the stoics.

Now I understand that your perspective is different here, which I am not trying to invalidate by stating the below. There might be other people reading in my situation who many be able to resonate with my sentiment.

I am not looking for a "perfect man", and one cannot personally speak for all men. I do certainly expect loyalty and commitment (eventually) as I am worthy, without bearing a man children. This answer alludes that women have zero inherent value worth settling down for, without family, which is I feel is a bold statement.
Is it true or untrue? Is it, or is it not your reality? It depends on the man/woman. This is the law of attraction and the power of being a Satanist.

 

[Havoc]

No one ideally wants to be for the streets for the rest of their life. Unless you're poly or something. Ironically, that is one reason why people have children these days actually - women think they can "baby trap" men, because they are so afraid of being alone.

We cannot control what others do anyway - we can only control how we react.

The only issue with breakups is the god awful grief, if I really liked them. I get physical and mental symptoms like they just died. It's terrible. I couldn't eat properly for weeks even after an amicable breakup. I am still going to therapy to deal with the emotional aftermath, but, sure, it would be nice to just go "Meh, your loss, next" like the stoics.

Now I understand that your perspective is different here, which I am not trying to invalidate by stating the below. There might be other people reading in my situation who many be able to resonate with my sentiment.

I am not looking for a "perfect man", and one cannot personally speak for all men. I do certainly expect loyalty and commitment (eventually) as I am worthy, without bearing a man children. This answer alludes that women have zero inherent value worth settling down for, without family, which is I feel is a bold statement.
Is it true or untrue? Is it, or is it not your reality? It depends on the man/woman. This is the law of attraction and the power of being a Satanist.

I would suggest not going to therapy or taking whatever drugs they give you, I’m surprised all of these so called Nazis here never mention this when therapy is brought it, all of the material they are trained on is jewish and they will tell you things that sound true but are self sabotaging.

A man can still find a girlfriend even without a job and his income is not the only thing about him with worth, he might be really hot or it could be a career woman who is fine with him staying home but I don’t take it personally when a woman expects me to have a job.

Just as you’ve speculated on the type of man who will not ask a woman out there is also a type that doesn’t want kids.

That type of man is going to be with you for the affection so you can’t be stingy with him.

 

[Soul Wings]

I would suggest not going to therapy or taking whatever drugs they give you, I’m surprised all of these so called Nazis here never mention this when therapy is brought it, all of the material they are trained on is jewish and they will tell you things that sound true but are self sabotaging.

A man can still find a girlfriend even without a job and his income is not the only thing about him with worth, he might be really hot or it could be a career woman who is fine with him staying home but I don’t take it personally when a woman expects me to have a job.

Just as you’ve speculated on the type of man who will not ask a woman out there is also a type that doesn’t want kids.

That type of man is going to be with you for the affection so you can’t be stingy with him.

I don't take drugs, that is more in the field of psychiatry and I have no interest in it. Completely different from psychology/therapy.

You're not the first person to mention that to me actually.
I don't deny that a lot of psychology has jewish influence. I can think for myself, so I can use my discretion and educate myself there. If we avoided everything jew related we might as well shut our eyes. People are most likely not discussing this right now as it's not the main topic of the thread. I might make an open one to discuss such things as I am interested in broadening my views on this [Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung etc].
All science is Satanic in origin and Psychology is simply study of the brain.
Stoicism is simply self applied therapy and the teachers were in all reality - scientists, philosophers and therapists.

I would go over the topics I have discussed but that may give away my identity unfortunately. But hopefully you can take my word that it has been nothing but healthy, useful things.

 

[Aureus]

I'm interested in a man. (...) I feel a strong indication that he likes me, but most likely won't ask me out unless I reveal my interest or ask him out first.

I fully understand your worries, but I would suggest you to simply tell him you're interested and/or ask him out, and then observe how the things go next. This time don't wear rose-colored glasses and be honest with yourself - is it going in the direction I want? or are the things a bit off, like they used to be in the past? Don't hesitate to actively end things, just like you would actively start them.

This may not only save your time by answering if he's still worth consideration, but will also help to remain clean space between you and him. Why? Expecting someone to do 'something' what we want/expect (without revealing it clearly), while that 'something' is not coming out of them, seems to be foolish, not to mention it's a source of frustration, but also creates, at the very beginning of a relationship, precedent notion of play, scheme-of-action. What are the odds, that similar situation would happen in the future in this relationship? You would want something from the partner, but at the same time you would remain passive until what? He would finally guess what you want based on the hints?

The only issue with breakups is the god awful grief, if I really liked them. I get physical and mental symptoms like they just died. It's terrible. I couldn't eat properly for weeks even after an amicable breakup. I am still going to therapy to deal with the emotional aftermath, but, sure, it would be nice to just go "Meh, your loss, next" like the stoics.

I feel you. Absolutely horrible state to go through, especially once you get really close and open fully to that person. A year later and I still fell the remains...

 

[General Yeager]

I don't take drugs, that is more in the field of psychiatry and I have no interest in it. Completely different from psychology/therapy.

You're not the first person to mention that to me actually.
I don't deny that a lot of psychology has jewish influence. I can think for myself, so I can use my discretion and educate myself there. If we avoided everything jew related we might as well shut our eyes. People are most likely not discussing this right now as it's not the main topic of the thread. I might make an open one to discuss such things as I am interested in broadening my views on this [Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung etc].
All science is Satanic in origin and Psychology is simply study of the brain.
Stoicism is simply self applied therapy and the teachers were in all reality - scientists, philosophers and therapists.

I would go over the topics I have discussed but that may give away my identity unfortunately. But hopefully you can take my word that it has been nothing but healthy, useful things.

If you want ,you should check out Hypnotherapy, CBT ,EBT etc related instead of Classical Talk Therapy. Hypnotherapy is the most superior form of therapy that exists. Carl Jung talks about the Individuation process , in that the Unconscious must be made manifest through Conscious Actions for the Whole to feel Balanced. But if you do not know what drives you, what your deepest beliefs and Values are ,then you would be confused. So people should think deeply about that and meditate on that. Our Life's entire material purpose is about Individuation.

Besides that ,i know in general there are unspoken rules about how men and women should act and people live their lives according to that. However, YOU are an Individual and you should not be forced into Mental Prisons and Restrictive Mindsets when it comes to your personal decisions ,just because of what OTHERS think.

My gf was the first to approach me ,and after that i took the lead at all times when we were in a relationship. It wasn't because i was not interested in her or didn't find her attractive. Infact ,i was completely unaware that she existed and was in a different state of mind not focused on Dating. If she hadn't approached me through a friend we wouldn't have ever worked OUT.

It could be possible that you have the particular Astrology that attracts the Quiet Introverted type of guy and there's nothing wrong with that. He could shine and be a Leader and Masculine in ways you never thought of WHEN you're in a relationship with him or in particular fields in which he's confident. You could help drive him to be more confident in areas he is not confident in.

He might discover his masculinity after being in a relationship with you. It could be possible that hes a virgin and inexperienced with women as a lot of shy, introverted guys are.

Meaning there are a lot of variables that you cannot see yet that may come into play.

You don't have to sleep with him. You can just go on Dates and hang out and see how he develops when he's with you. If he acts in a way you don't like repeatedly ,you can just tell him that its not going to work out.

You might have to give him verbal feedback. If you say "Hey ,do you want to hang out sometime ?". And he asks you "What do you want to do ? Where do you want to go ?".

You say "Im old school. I like the Man to Take the Lead." In that instance he will learn how he needs to act. A lot of men don not have strong Male role models so they need to learn through mistakes or other people. However this can also be taught. So don't be shy. You can be feminine and also offer constructive criticism as a Woman.

Don't be afraid. This could be the start of something magickal.

 

[Havoc]

I don't take drugs, that is more in the field of psychiatry and I have no interest in it. Completely different from psychology/therapy.

You're not the first person to mention that to me actually.
I don't deny that a lot of psychology has jewish influence. I can think for myself, so I can use my discretion and educate myself there. If we avoided everything jew related we might as well shut our eyes. People are most likely not discussing this right now as it's not the main topic of the thread. I might make an open one to discuss such things as I am interested in broadening my views on this [Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung etc].
All science is Satanic in origin and Psychology is simply study of the brain.
Stoicism is simply self applied therapy and the teachers were in all reality - scientists, philosophers and therapists.

I would go over the topics I have discussed but that may give away my identity unfortunately. But hopefully you can take my word that it has been nothing but healthy, useful things.

Id be willing to consider that, from what information you’ve given out it sounds like you get into a lot of semi long to long term relationships that end abruptly, correct me if I’m wrong and I’d also like to know if it’s not to personal what you’re therapist thinks is the reason for that and what you think is the reason for that, I’m interested in the kinds of stuff they have to say and their attitude/mindset.

I’ve seen people giving the advice to choose more carefully a lot but you clearly think going into your relationships that it’s gonna work out and the person appears the right way and always says all the right things otherwise you wouldn’t get attached, so being more careful in the selection process might not be what’s needed here.