Why Are Posts Being Rejected?

[DiscipleofEshmun]

In due time most of these things will resolve,

Even the motives and good interests of these things,
Take a moment in the silence and you will find the gods already answered you,
This thread will keep going on and on since at a point it all turn into a battle of egos for both sides and you know how fruitless and frustrating these becomes,You understand things in your one way and you argue with others who have their own understandings of it,


I have faith you will understand old friend,
Take a breather,2 months, forget,

I will do that honestly. This is tiresome.

 

[Henu the Great]

You're actually describing yourself.

Ok.

You can seek clarity on this matter anytime as a Zevist from a Deity.

 

[Henu the Great]

I normally steer clear of conflicts at my age, because I've learnt most are pointless, but this has been going on for 3 days now. I have recently seen members here who showed real promise spiritually, only to be shamed out of the forum and ToZ because of their stubborn pride and misguided egos.
The point is not always to be seen as right, but to understand that wisdom is attained by listening and trying to understand the truth of the matter with an objective and unprejudiced attitude.
This also tarnishes the appearance and reputation of the forum in the eyes of new initiatied people coming here.

This is a regular occurrence, mostly around subjects such as food, money, sexuality, and lastly, but certainly not leastly, the actions of the clergy. It is a sign of an ever-growing and evolving group. If no such thing were to happen, no growth would be present. Since the group is not like other groups, as it is quite longer-lasting than, say, a school or work project, this happens over and over as part of the group's evolution.

 

[Marcusfortis]

I understand your explanation and the difference between that situation and someone stepping over the line with threats and abuse towards members and clergy. That is obviously when more severe measures must be taken.
Thanks for the clarification

 

[Emergent13]

Ok.

You can seek clarity on this matter anytime as a Zevist from a Deity.

I ask this independently from this thread, I clearly remember a post in which a member asked their guardian if they liked the X ideology. They received a positive answer. That post received many likes, so in a way, it showcased an authority in that discussion and the biggest one, at that.. Now, it's explicitly stated that that ideology is structurally incompatible with the theology of the Ancient Gods.

How would you explain that situation?

 

[Emergent13]

Another of my replies to Emergent was disapproved where I went into detail about the shade I have seen thrown at HPS Pythia.

If you think you are being censored, then accept that not everything is perfect, which might be hard for your personality.

Also, no one is perfect.

The path is more individual than I anticipated before. Just think about the insane things that we were told and believed before, now these things got rendered as "if you said something like this to an ancient Priest, he would laugh at you", which is true, but regardless we were still believing in some laughable "insane" matters. I literally lost my only friend of 8 years because of this, and I am a very socially isolated person so it was quite significant.

I don't know the context of what you are referring to, and if it's not passing through, there is nothing I can do, nor you can do probably.

It seems that these updates are being taken place "despite" the current members. Maybe HPZM thinks that the community is not ready to get many explanations, or maybe he thinks it's best to be quick and rush this. It might what current environment requires. I don't know.

All I know is meditations do work, the ethics are superior to any other place I have ever encountered, which is very important for me, and the members are mostly good people.

 

[Beauty]

I ask this independently from this thread, I clearly remember a post in which a member asked their guardian if they liked the X ideology. They received a positive answer. That post received many likes, so in a way, it showcased an authority in that discussion and the biggest one, at that.. Now, it's explicitly stated that that ideology is structurally incompatible with the theology of the Ancient Gods.

How would you explain that situation?

Thats important point, i dislike the fact even if one gets answer, it may be misinterpretation, i have idea what about trying to reach out and test this and report the feedback you got? Even if personally i feel its inappropriate to ask these things

 

[serpentwalker666]

I ask this independently from this thread, I clearly remember a post in which a member asked their guardian if they liked the X ideology. They received a positive answer. That post received many likes, so in a way, it showcased an authority in that discussion and the biggest one, at that.. Now, it's explicitly stated that that ideology is structurally incompatible with the theology of the Ancient Gods.

How would you explain that situation?

Past a point these things just limit us developmentally as beings. Based also on what we have internally in ourselves this limits and even influences what we can receive from the Gods in terms of Astral Communication, like High Priest Zevios Metathronos explained.

What we had before was okay up to a point, but as you noticed we were rather capped out, in many aspects. Now with this removed, the Gods are far more invested in us alongside the other changes and everything else High Priest Zevios Metathronos has done. They are far more invested in us collectively more then they were before, this speaks volumes I feel to the reality of it all.

I want the complete truth, the clear and full knowledge, everything in the entirety.

Not things that are a product of the time, when the Ancient Priesthoods of the Greeks, Egyptians wouldn't have likely cared for so and so X Ideology being meshed together into a Sacred Temple. I can't speak for them obviously, but I bet we could gather what they would think on this if we read and understand how they viewed things.

 

[Henu the Great]

I ask this independently from this thread, I clearly remember a post in which a member asked their guardian if they liked the X ideology. They received a positive answer. That post received many likes, so in a way, it showcased an authority in that discussion and the biggest one, at that.. Now, it's explicitly stated that that ideology is structurally incompatible with the theology of the Ancient Gods.

How would you explain that situation?

There can be inaccuracy in the reception of psychic phenomena, and then there is the fact that the group might be mistaken. That is, if they wanted to indicate that by giving positive reactions, the receiver is absolutely correct. They could very well give likes for a person simply for sharing their experience, and I have seen people giving likes just for the sake of it. It is not a serious measure by any means.

 

[Fahari]

I ask this independently from this thread, I clearly remember a post in which a member asked their guardian if they liked the X ideology. They received a positive answer. That post received many likes, so in a way, it showcased an authority in that discussion and the biggest one, at that.. Now, it's explicitly stated that that ideology is structurally incompatible with the theology of the Ancient Gods.

How would you explain that situation?

That a strange occurrence,But I wonder of what interests would a daemon have towards a political ideology?
It doesn't vote,get involved in the rallies and neither are the agendas any group has ever listed included a clause for 'Daemons' ,
It's a strange event tbh,it doesn't make sense

 

[Nordicsupreme]

How can I offer proof when posts where she was disrespected are now deleted? Do you think I do drugs to falsely accuse people of saying things they didn't? I know exactly what I'm talking about and you acting blind or clueless to score points or whatever you're doing doesn't change the facts. I am not falsely accusing anyone. You can act righteous in another thread as you really don't have anything substantial to say to me.

What "proofs" can you offer and what good does it do for the Community?
Without dwelling too much into it lets look at what you or I or some individual contribute and compare it with the yardstick of work spiritually done by the Clergy and Temple. See for yourself how little you and I or anyone else knows when you compare it to the work done and knowledge attained by these people who have dedicated their lives to the Temple
I don't ever think HPS Pythia has been discredited or disrespected by the Temple. When her personal interpretations of the Truth (which again were necessary for growth during her time and the society that she lived in) are challenged and then discussions are steered away from politics to a more focused approach to spirituality there isn't really disrespect thrown in her way. She is highly regarded by everyone here.

When you enter into a career as a manager you don't aim to stay there and hold the same worldview, you aim to grow and the higher you rise up more you the see the world around you changing and newer problems presenting themselves. This growth to senior positions then requires you to understand what is presently happening and work on your limiting beliefs and engineer yourself into a person who can tackle challenges presently to carry the work forward. The problem is in the people who hold past as golden, perfect and free of all evils since it gives comfort knowing the past cannot be changed. But for a living being going through life you cannot live this way. You need to take the good from the past, learn from it and move forward for newer higher knowledge to contribute and participate better in the world around you.

Lets take an example here: If I claim that running is the best exercise and for a group who are unfit this knowledge is golden and me and other running everyday will make us fitter. But when newer study on nutrition, exercise, longevity is provided a rational person will look for a more ways to better themselves instead of holding one world view till they die, such is a suicidal existence when life is not embraced. Such was the case with ToZ when it was started by Lady Pythia, the spiritual development of the world was at an all time low and her efforts through the darkness provided opportunities to better oneself. As people got more knowledgeable and connected with the Gods. newer knowledge some of which contradicted the previous knowledge was shared this was viewed as a threat and disrespect to the very person who got you started on the path. This is far from the Truth. Lady Pythia herself embraced learning and would frequently learn about everything she could get her hands on. She was the first to research and present newer knowledge no matter how much it would have hurt her own credibility.

What you wish for is an unchangeable past which is perfect based on which you can justify your present and the future, such is not possible in any living being. Change and growth happens constantly. If you don't grow positively everyday you start spiraling downwards into negativity. Its time you start taking ownership for yourself before the Gods and start making changes rather than bicker about the past being perfect. There is a possibility in 20 years what we know now will not hold as much ground or relevance in the future world and such a fate should be recognized and worked upon

I request you to focus only on your spiritual development for some years now and stop focusing on things that don't move you forward spiritually
Many blessings, stay blessed

 

[616Taysha]

Uh, to the Mod who rejected my posts for *this* particular part - SORRY, it came way too normal. I acknowledge my mistake.

So, without the particular thing - let me say what I wanted to.

@Emergent13 and @Beauty - from the perspective of a new person, what has been going on for the last few months may seem fast. If you want to be up to date with info that is being revealed / communicated to us, here: https://www.youtube.com/@zevism

Doubt, ask questions, don't be presumptuous (genuine humility is power, seriously), study ToZ and you will be on your best way to betterment, and ultimately - power. Again, take your time. Rome wasn't build in one day, and neither will you ascend in a year.

 

[Emergent13]

Not things that are a product of the time, when the Ancient Priesthoods of the Greeks, Egyptians wouldn't have likely cared for so and so X Ideology being meshed together into a Sacred Temple. I can't speak for them obviously, but I bet we could gather what they would think on this if we read and understand how they viewed things.

I am fully aligned with the Temple being completely seperated from politics. My question was about the nature of this "just ask the Gods" question, and why it failed at that time. Seperation from all and explicitly stating one is completely unfit are different things. It's said before, that "Zevism inevitably leads back to the same source", referencing this ideology <----- OUTDATED
So now, it has been explicitly stated that this ideology is completely unfit. I have no issue with this, it's just that, when this outdated statement has been made, at that time, if one were to ask the Gods, would they be told that what has been said is wrong?

There can be inaccuracy in the reception of psychic phenomena, and then there is the fact that the group might be mistaken.

The whole group was mistaken, not just a small part of it. This was under a deleted sermon from 2022, and some beliefs were the common denominator here at that time. At that time, almost everyone perceived "I asked my guardian and got a positive answer", on that thread as an authoritative source on the topic. No one questioned whether that person might have been mistaken or misunderstood the message.

In a way, the validity of "asking the Gods" and sharing the response in the temple boils down to the majority belief at a given time. If, at that time, a person said they received a message from their guardian saying that the X ideology was completely incompatible with the theology of the gods, it's obvious that the person would be called names. At the very least, people would call this member delusional, claiming that what he received as a sign or message was wrong. But he said that when he asked the Gods, they noded, no one questioned.

However, one might argue that we have evolved so much that from now on there will never be any more cases like this. Therefore, asking the Gods, or asking members to ask the Gods and referencing their answer here as a valid source of authority, biggest one at that, will never cause any misunderstandings.

Definitely a possibility.

 

[Emergent13]

That a strange occurrence,But I wonder of what interests would a daemon have towards a political ideology?
It doesn't vote,get involved in the rallies and neither are the agendas any group has ever listed included a clause for 'Daemons' ,
It's a strange event tbh,it doesn't make sense

Only my opinion.

Well, they exist in an eternal state of ataraxia. "The gods themselves exist in eternal ataraxia: the Olympians are not disturbed by the affairs of mortals." So, it's not like they are personally invested in any ideology. But Zeus states that: "Moreover, I give council to the skilled directors, for I have appointed them for periods that are known to me." So, he also guides righteous politicians.

Temple severing itself from politics, and politics being temporary, doesn't mean politics are useless or not important. We do need righteous politicians that are aligned with Ma'at, and the Gods also would guide them to instill better conditions for general well-being of the population.

 

[Henu the Great]

In a way, the validity of "asking the Gods" and sharing the response in the temple boils down to the majority belief at a given time.

No, it does not. Seeking outside validation from other people does.

And still, we are uncertain about the possibility of distorted reception. The psychological filter is not a joke but something all members deal with to varying degrees.

 

[Beauty]

No, it does not. Seeking outside validation from other people does.

And still, we are uncertain about the possibility of distorted reception. The psychological filter is not a joke but something all members deal with to varying degrees.

If they talk in their voice is that too distorted ?

 

[Dypet Rod]

I ask this independently from this thread, I clearly remember a post in which a member asked their guardian if they liked the X ideology. They received a positive answer. That post received many likes, so in a way, it showcased an authority in that discussion and the biggest one, at that.. Now, it's explicitly stated that that ideology is structurally incompatible with the theology of the Ancient Gods.

How would you explain that situation?

Not meaning to perpetuate this thread (given the infighting it turned into), but adding to what you say, there is even a quote attributed to Mother Lilith/Hera which talks explicitly positively about the ideology you're referring to.

I won't quote it here because the quote itself goes directly against our new forum standards. But a lot of members will know which one I'm talking about.
And as such, I am not the only one who may wonder to which extent politics might matter to the Gods, even though we may take the intuitive clue that the Gods' stance on this matter is the same as that of their agents on Earth - our Priesthood.

I'd put this conflict of ideas down to:
- Possible interference in divine communication, especially of a person's own beliefs getting mixed in with what the Gods may say.
- Misinterpretation - the Gods are known to be pragmatic in how they communicate with Zevists. They may have been praising only a particular aspect of said ideology, for example.
- How the current world takes things of that nature - we know the world is just not ready to understand and accept a lot of things. This may be one of them, and maybe that does not necessarily mean all of it is bad.
- What we should be focusing upon for our collective growth - it's not that politics don't matter, but perhaps it's just that modern politics don't matter for us right now.

Politics, as you suggest, are important. Modern politics also have its foundation in Ancient Greece, even.
But modern politics have become toxic and dividing. Making our practices political in nature can hinder our collective growth, as it would clash with the values of half of society (as modern politics always do). Individually, obsessing over politics can also hinder our own personal spiritual development and our greater understanding of things.

 

[DiscipleofEshmun]

What "proofs" can you offer and what good does it do for the Community?
Without dwelling too much into it lets look at what you or I or some individual contribute and compare it with the yardstick of work spiritually done by the Clergy and Temple. See for yourself how little you and I or anyone else knows when you compare it to the work done and knowledge attained by these people who have dedicated their lives to the Temple
I don't ever think HPS Pythia has been discredited or disrespected by the Temple. When her personal interpretations of the Truth (which again were necessary for growth during her time and the society that she lived in) are challenged and then discussions are steered away from politics to a more focused approach to spirituality there isn't really disrespect thrown in her way. She is highly regarded by everyone here.

When you enter into a career as a manager you don't aim to stay there and hold the same worldview, you aim to grow and the higher you rise up more you the see the world around you changing and newer problems presenting themselves. This growth to senior positions then requires you to understand what is presently happening and work on your limiting beliefs and engineer yourself into a person who can tackle challenges presently to carry the work forward. The problem is in the people who hold past as golden, perfect and free of all evils since it gives comfort knowing the past cannot be changed. But for a living being going through life you cannot live this way. You need to take the good from the past, learn from it and move forward for newer higher knowledge to contribute and participate better in the world around you.

Lets take an example here: If I claim that running is the best exercise and for a group who are unfit this knowledge is golden and me and other running everyday will make us fitter. But when newer study on nutrition, exercise, longevity is provided a rational person will look for a more ways to better themselves instead of holding one world view till they die, such is a suicidal existence when life is not embraced. Such was the case with ToZ when it was started by Lady Pythia, the spiritual development of the world was at an all time low and her efforts through the darkness provided opportunities to better oneself. As people got more knowledgeable and connected with the Gods. newer knowledge some of which contradicted the previous knowledge was shared this was viewed as a threat and disrespect to the very person who got you started on the path. This is far from the Truth. Lady Pythia herself embraced learning and would frequently learn about everything she could get her hands on. She was the first to research and present newer knowledge no matter how much it would have hurt her own credibility.

What you wish for is an unchangeable past which is perfect based on which you can justify your present and the future, such is not possible in any living being. Change and growth happens constantly. If you don't grow positively everyday you start spiraling downwards into negativity. Its time you start taking ownership for yourself before the Gods and start making changes rather than bicker about the past being perfect. There is a possibility in 20 years what we know now will not hold as much ground or relevance in the future world and such a fate should be recognized and worked upon

I request you to focus only on your spiritual development for some years now and stop focusing on things that don't move you forward spiritually
Many blessings, stay blessed

How is any of this relevant to the point? No one is diminishing anyone's work. The points I stated remain. Why are you acting like anyone is being victimised?

 

[DiscipleofEshmun]

I am fully aligned with the Temple being completely seperated from politics. My question was about the nature of this "just ask the Gods" question, and why it failed at that time. Seperation from all and explicitly stating one is completely unfit are different things. It's said before, that "Zevism inevitably leads back to the same source", referencing this ideology <----- OUTDATED
So now, it has been explicitly stated that this ideology is completely unfit. I have no issue with this, it's just that, when this outdated statement has been made, at that time, if one were to ask the Gods, would they be told that what has been said is wrong?

The whole group was mistaken, not just a small part of it. This was under a deleted sermon from 2022, and some beliefs were the common denominator here at that time. At that time, almost everyone perceived "I asked my guardian and got a positive answer", on that thread as an authoritative source on the topic. No one questioned whether that person might have been mistaken or misunderstood the message.

In a way, the validity of "asking the Gods" and sharing the response in the temple boils down to the majority belief at a given time. If, at that time, a person said they received a message from their guardian saying that the X ideology was completely incompatible with the theology of the gods, it's obvious that the person would be called names. At the very least, people would call this member delusional, claiming that what he received as a sign or message was wrong. But he said that when he asked the Gods, they noded, no one questioned.

However, one might argue that we have evolved so much that from now on there will never be any more cases like this. Therefore, asking the Gods, or asking members to ask the Gods and referencing their answer here as a valid source of authority, biggest one at that, will never cause any misunderstandings.

Definitely a possibility.

You get it. Telling people to ask the Gods or they suck is just a get out of logic card for most people to be dogmatic and avoid uncomfortable topics. It's being overused.

Ten years ago people were being told that when they asked questions. Now we find out much of what was believed was wrong. And people are still telling me that as if I don't indulge in all our practices daily.

 

[Henu the Great]

You get it. Telling people to ask the Gods or they suck is just a get out of logic card for most people to be dogmatic and avoid uncomfortable topics. It's being overused.

Ten years ago people were being told that when they asked questions. Now we find out much of what was believed was wrong. And people are still telling me that as if I don't indulge in all our practices daily.

It is all a bit strange to act as if your point is valid, and to act as if the Priesthood does not know what they are doing, and then to call trusting them dogmatic behavior. I get it, you are upset, but this is not the way. The way is not to argue in this manner, but to seek clarity, which you did not seem to be able to do, even though that is where the answers are. It is a bit overused to say ask Gods, sure, but the clergy and Gods are there to help and guide us. Is this now dogmatic, or what? What made you so upset that you could not answer such a question to begin with? Yet, here you are making replies, acting as if you are correct in this matter.

 

[Beauty]

It is all a bit strange to act as if your point is valid, and to act as if the Priesthood does not know what they are doing, and then to call trusting them dogmatic behavior. I get it, you are upset, but this is not the way. The way is not to argue in this manner, but to seek clarity, which you did not seem to be able to do, even though that is where the answers are. It is a bit overused to say ask Gods, sure, but the clergy and Gods are there to help and guide us. Is this now dogmatic, or what? What made you so upset that you could not answer such a question to begin with? Yet, here you are making replies, acting as if you are correct in this matter.

I can answer their point in convincing way but i think its better if we talk instead on communication with the Gods the above is irrelevant anyway,

This matter of communication with the Gods is not explained well, from where the real communication starts, can we just hear them in own voice even if it sounds like imagination,

From my experience its like if this has three levels

1-hearing in my voice
2-hearing in my voice + it sounds 100% not me, happens usually in deep meditation
3-hearing them in their voice

I wonder if the first if valid and how to check, i once after a God ritual, tried talking to a God using 1, this is what i experienced with the 1:
I do not remember how it started but he told me ( i am reporting experiencing not saying that is true)

He told me: you can ask me whatever you want,
I told him : can you bless me with wealth
He stayed silent
Me: can you protect me ?
Him: yes let me be integrated into you ( i am reporting exactly what i experienced, to learn, no delusion comments please, if someone thinks this is bs just explain why do you think that do not just throw the delusion card)
Me: yes feel free to do so
(Felt a shiver)
Him: if you ever need protection just use my name and pray to me
Me: thank you

End.

This for example, how to legit check it, if we say all those are not accurate, then there is no more reason to talk with the Gods since its all accurate, i need just a % of truth, if i am able to hear 5% of what they truly say then thats perfect and i can work my way up from there,

But saying all this inaccurate, its always distorted, no one can talk with Gods besides High Priest

Then why are we encouraged to reach out to the Gods even from day 1? And how agreements can be done, communication is big part of the path it should not be dismissed, i am talking about telepathic communication,

But there is no clear way i saw on how to work your way up.. its always : delusion, inaccurate, imagination, distorted

 

[Marcusfortis]

I'm sorry, but I've seen no evidence here of "ever-growing and evolving group".
Just someone who came here with predisposed ignorant views and stubborn reluctance to open their mind to other's opinions. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck - sometimes people are just stupid.

 

[Henu the Great]

I'm sorry, but I've seen no evidence here of "ever-growing and evolving group".
Just someone who came here with predisposed ignorant views and stubborn reluctance to open their mind to other's opinions. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck - sometimes people are just stupid.

How long have you been around? I've been on the path since 2020 (which isn't that long in the big picture, but at least I have some perspective), and I've grown quite a bit along with the community. And I am not the only person doing this thing. The conclusion is based on what I read on the website and how people interact with each other. Things change, people grow, constantly.

I can answer their point in convincing way but i think its better if we talk instead on communication with the Gods the above is irrelevant anyway,

This matter of communication with the Gods is not explained well, from where the real communication starts, can we just hear them in own voice even if it sounds like imagination,

From my experience its like if this has three levels

1-hearing in my voice
2-hearing in my voice + it sounds 100% not me, happens usually in deep meditation
3-hearing them in their voice

I wonder if the first if valid and how to check, i once after a God ritual, tried talking to a God using 1, this is what i experienced with the 1:
I do not remember how it started but he told me ( i am reporting experiencing not saying that is true)

He told me: you can ask me whatever you want,
I told him : can you bless me with wealth
He stayed silent
Me: can you protect me ?
Him: yes let me be integrated into you ( i am reporting exactly what i experienced, to learn, no delusion comments please, if someone thinks this is bs just explain why do you think that do not just throw the delusion card)
Me: yes feel free to do so
(Felt a shiver)
Him: if you ever need protection just use my name and pray to me
Me: thank you

End.

Communication is not limited to what you presented. Communication can be in many forms. It can be thoughts, ideas, visions, audible voices, synchronities, coincidences, or things of this nature. And based on my personal experience and what Priest once told us in a chat a year or two ago, is that when Gods want you to hear something, you hear it. Clear as day.

Many times when I read things such as "This matter of communication with the Gods is not explained well," it reminds me of, guess what. One has not done enough study, as these things have been explained numerous times by various people in the past. And if I have not explained this well, there is a search box you or anyone else can use to find alternative explanations.

This for example, how to legit check it, if we say all those are not accurate, then there is no more reason to talk with the Gods since its all accurate, i need just a % of truth, if i am able to hear 5% of what they truly say then thats perfect and i can work my way up from there,

I did not understand this part.

But saying all this inaccurate, its always distorted, no one can talk with Gods besides High Priest

Let me clarify what I meant earlier. Let's say I receive a vision. The vision is clear, no doubt. The inaccuracy in communication comes from the recipient's interpretation, as the vision can be interpreted in ways not intended by the sender.

Then why are we encouraged to reach out to the Gods even from day 1? And how agreements can be done, communication is big part of the path it should not be dismissed, i am talking about telepathic communication,

Because connection to Gods is extremely important, especially in this fallen age, if one wants to get anything worthwhile done. Obsession with telepathic communication is going to lead to frustration, as is evident here. Personally, I think one does not need to hear them verbally to reach an agreement.

But there is no clear way i saw on how to work your way up.. its always : delusion, inaccurate, imagination, distorted

The way up is very clear, actually. One does the work on their mind, on their soul, and yes, on their body. And evolution follows. This then leads to the point made earlier by others that focusing on oneself is the way to go, because doing so allows one to verify these things for oneself if one is not able to do so well enough right now. This would explain the reluctance to answer one of the earlier questions. But it does not explain the reluctance to answer the question about asking the clergy... Unless, of course, they know better than them, don't trust them, or something.

 

[616Taysha]

@Dypet Rod

INfighting? Oh, I beg to differ. The Forums are open to all people, so everybody can come here, click ‘I accept’ and say whatever they want, as long as they are staying within the Forum’s terms of conduct - which they can be oblivious of, hence ‘why was my post not accepted?’, ‘censorship!’, etc.

That said, some are quite adept at bending rules, but not breaking them.

Those people are not Zevists, so naturally, they more than likely will not do any spiritual opening. Spiritually blind and deaf. But sure enough, they are still able to post stuff. And, when hearing “ask the Gods”, they will resort to mental gymnastics in order to invalidate this statement, projecting their skills and openness (lack thereof) onto others.

As such, there is:

1.no infighting, as those people are not Zevists
2.just blaming others for their own mental and spiritual incompetence

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

All political organizations or ideas are dependent on the context of the situations that they are in. They are a response to the specific problems or restrictions that they are faced with at that time. And in this way, they all are imperfect. They all are a compromise at best. They all are restricted, based on the restrictions that shaped them to begin with. A political system is designed to maybe fix a few specific problems, and hopefully the people can live a good life after these problems have been solved. But there is no focus on the Gods. There is no focus on spiritual evolution. There is no focus on living according to the Laws of Ma'at, or of all people working with the Gods on their growth and advancement.

We are out of the Dark ages. Are we? Most places on Earth are still in the Dark ages still today, and even White countries are purposefully flooded with the Orc hoards intended to rape, murder, and extinct us. Is it no longer the Dark Ages because we have computers? There have been improvements, but absolutely not enough and still no where close to where the world needs to be. This can maybe be called the Grey Ages, a little lighter than Dark Ages but not anything close to any Golden Age.

Any political movement can only be at best a product of its time. Or making the best of a bad situation, in a way that still is not great. There is nothing better than a compromise where the most important things still are missing. And there is no mention at all of the Gods. Politics is seen as a replacement for spiritual improvement.

It is what High Priest Zevios Metathronos has said. The Gods will no longer be ignored and pushed to the side and hidden in a box. The Gods will no longer be neglected, or compromised away. Any political system is imperfect, incomplete, limited only to the restrictions and problens that created it to begin with, and a compromise where the Gods and Spiritual Evolution are what is put to the side. It is the end of this.

 

[Beauty]

I'm sorry, but I've seen no evidence here of "ever-growing and evolving group".
Just someone who came here with predisposed ignorant views and stubborn reluctance to open their mind to other's opinions. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck - sometimes people are just stupid.

I believe there is misunderstanding between you, Henu meant that when there are updates and new things its normal there are questions and critics etc.. if critics and questions stop it means the temple has nothing new and we are in the comfort zone, one of the side effects of advancement and new things is critics and questions so those are good signs

 

[WoadWarrior]

I can answer their point in convincing way but i think its better if we talk instead on communication with the Gods the above is irrelevant anyway,

This matter of communication with the Gods is not explained well, from where the real communication starts, can we just hear them in own voice even if it sounds like imagination,

From my experience its like if this has three levels

1-hearing in my voice
2-hearing in my voice + it sounds 100% not me, happens usually in deep meditation
3-hearing them in their voice

I wonder if the first if valid and how to check, i once after a God ritual, tried talking to a God using 1, this is what i experienced with the 1:
I do not remember how it started but he told me ( i am reporting experiencing not saying that is true)

He told me: you can ask me whatever you want,
I told him : can you bless me with wealth
He stayed silent
Me: can you protect me ?
Him: yes let me be integrated into you ( i am reporting exactly what i experienced, to learn, no delusion comments please, if someone thinks this is bs just explain why do you think that do not just throw the delusion card)
Me: yes feel free to do so
(Felt a shiver)
Him: if you ever need protection just use my name and pray to me
Me: thank you

End.

This for example, how to legit check it, if we say all those are not accurate, then there is no more reason to talk with the Gods since its all accurate, i need just a % of truth, if i am able to hear 5% of what they truly say then thats perfect and i can work my way up from there,

But saying all this inaccurate, its always distorted, no one can talk with Gods besides High Priest

Then why are we encouraged to reach out to the Gods even from day 1? And how agreements can be done, communication is big part of the path it should not be dismissed, i am talking about telepathic communication,

But there is no clear way i saw on how to work your way up.. its always : delusion, inaccurate, imagination, distorted

Part of the confusion here is many people have not really read the sermons that have been provided, yes there can be delusion and distortion but that is why one must practice mindfulness, for instance lets say one prays and asks "Is my specific nation the best?" and they feel warm and fuzzy inside they then apply this to the Gods and say the Gods told them this, but through introspection one can realize that such a reading came from the persons own bias, the warm and fuzzy feeling could have simply been the presence of the God showing that they were listening not an affirmation of the question itself or indeed it could have just all been there own imagination.

This is why the school of Socrates put such a massive emphasis on philosophy and dialectics, you pray, you receive an answer, you must then carefully consider and mull over that answer, think about it deeply, consider if indeed the answer was from the Gods or if you simply answered yourself and indeed if you answered yourself truthfully.

You will actually notice much of what HPZM writes isn't "The Gods have said this unto me and so I have said it unto you" in fact nearly the entire ethical framework he constructed comes from a place of dialectics.

You can trust your own communications but you must also challenge them mentally and apply thought to them in order to understand them, the Gods are here to teach us and they teach us not by just giving us orders and laws to memorize by rote, but by presenting us with concepts to explore, you build your power to communicate with the Gods by building up your mental ability to process higher topics, the art of philosophy, this is how you move past distortion and delusion into truth.

 

[Marcusfortis]

How long have you been around? I've been on the path since 2020 (which isn't that long in the big picture, but at least I have some perspective), and I've grown quite a bit along with the community. And I am not the only person doing this thing. The conclusion is based on what I read on the website and how people interact with each other. Things change, people grow, constantly.


Communication is not limited to what you presented. Communication can be in many forms. It can be thoughts, ideas, visions, audible voices, synchronities, coincidences, or things of this nature. And based on my personal experience and what Priest once told us in a chat a year or two ago, is that when Gods want you to hear something, you hear it. Clear as day.

Many times when I read things such as "This matter of communication with the Gods is not explained well," it reminds me of, guess what. One has not done enough study, as these things have been explained numerous times by various people in the past. And if I have not explained this well, there is a search box you or anyone else can use to find alternative explanations.

I did not understand this part.

Let me clarify what I meant earlier. Let's say I receive a vision. The vision is clear, no doubt. The inaccuracy in communication comes from the recipient's interpretation, as the vision can be interpreted in ways not intended by the sender.

Because connection to Gods is extremely important, especially in this fallen age, if one wants to get anything worthwhile done. Obsession with telepathic communication is going to lead to frustration, as is evident here. Personally, I think one does not need to hear them verbally to reach an agreement.

The way up is very clear, actually. One does the work on their mind, on their soul, and yes, on their body. And evolution follows. This then leads to the point made earlier by others that focusing on oneself is the way to go, because doing so allows one to verify these things for oneself if one is not able to do so well enough right now. This would explain the reluctance to answer one of the earlier questions. But it does not explain the reluctance to answer the question about asking the clergy... Unless, of course, they know better than them, don't trust them, or something.

I didn't mean the group as a whole. Of course the forum should be open to discussion and mutual exchange of ideas. That is how it grows and evolves. I meant the OP who came here with a closed mind only to present his opinion and not be receptive to the opinions of the other members. We all have better things to do than waste time and energy on such individuals.
Perhaps I should've made that distinction.

 

[Marcusfortis]

I believe there is misunderstanding between you, Henu meant that when there are updates and new things its normal there are questions and critics etc.. if critics and questions stop it means the temple has nothing new and we are in the comfort zone, one of the side effects of advancement and new things is critics and questions so those are good signs

Yes, I totally agree, it's the main purpose of the forum to be available to exchange spiritual information and express ideas and opinions.
I was referring to the OP who came here with an arrogant attitude, only to express his opinion and not consider the opinions of other's here.
My mistake for not making that distinction.

 

[Beauty]

Communication is not limited to what you presented. Communication can be in many forms. It can be thoughts, ideas, visions, audible voices, synchronities, coincidences, or things of this nature.

Yes but my question is about hearing in thoughts, telepathy, this is what i struggle the most with

And based on my personal experience and what Priest once told us in a chat a year or two ago, is that when Gods want you to hear something, you hear it. Clear as day.

This also i am sure of, but i need more, i do not want to hear only in those moments where they make it blunt, i want also to be able to communicate on normal days..

Many times when I read things such as "This matter of communication with the Gods is not explained well," it reminds me of, guess what. One has not done enough study, as these things have been explained numerous times by various people in the past. And if I have not explained this well, there is a search box you or anyone else can use to find alternative explanations.

I literally read all of it, there is no way to discern, there is only : it can be imagination, its distorted, some are dilusional, keep advancing,

I cannot keep talking to myself, there should be instead some clear plan im following in relation to telepathy to that every week im better than previous one and being closer and closer to full communication

I did not understand this part.

Lets say you talk to Gods, and its your first time and its all imagination, so you heard 0%

then one makes more effort, and now he sometimes really hear and sometimes imagine, lets say the ratio is 5% real 95% imagination,

With practice that ratio will keep going up,

But how to know that one at least sometimes hear real things..

Let me clarify what I meant earlier. Let's say I receive a vision. The vision is clear, no doubt. The inaccuracy in communication comes from the recipient's interpretation, as the vision can be interpreted in ways not intended by the sender.

Having a vision does not mean its from the Gods, your mind can do that on its own, so even if the vision is clear, it does not mean it was 100% the Gods

Because connection to Gods is extremely important, especially in this fallen age, if one wants to get anything worthwhile done. Obsession with telepathic communication is going to lead to frustration, as is evident here. Personally, I think one does not need to hear them verbally to reach an agreement.

Here we come to what i said, so its explanation after explanation and ending with : ´listen, this will make you frustrated, you know what my friend, just focus on advancing and forget about communicating telepathically with the Gods’

By the way, i am not writing in attacking frame, i am explaining to literally understand, i put my finger on the injury, just to fix it, not to cause pain so do not take anything i say as bad, its purely for leveling up this

The way up is very clear, actually. One does the work on their mind, on their soul, and yes, on their body. And evolution follows. This then leads to the point made earlier by others that focusing on oneself is the way to go, because doing so allows one to verify these things for oneself if one is not able to do so well enough right now. This would explain the reluctance to answer one of the earlier questions. But it does not explain the reluctance to answer the question about asking the clergy... Unless, of course, they know better than them, don't trust them, or something.

During the advancement how to verify, its clear that when one is very advanced he will know

But during beginner=> upper beginner => intermediate => upper intermediate => advanced => upper advanced

During the first parts how to check and verify and develop the telepathy in the sense of how to know when one is hearing and when not etc, what are the tools or ways or whatevee, there must be ways, its not logical to keep talking to your brain until you reach advanced level and then realise. There should be a way that act like accompanying technique or whatever

 

[Beauty]

Part of the confusion here is many people have not really read the sermons that have been provided, yes there can be delusion and distortion but that is why one must practice mindfulness, for instance lets say one prays and asks "Is my specific nation the best?" and they feel warm and fuzzy inside they then apply this to the Gods and say the Gods told them this, but through introspection one can realize that such a reading came from the persons own bias, the warm and fuzzy feeling could have simply been the presence of the God showing that they were listening not an affirmation of the question itself or indeed it could have just all been there own imagination.

I am talking about telepathy, if its encourage, i can make a 20-30 lines conversations and we analyse it, since the thing is i always get answered, and i suspect there is big truth there since many times the voice stop and i understood intuitively the Gods will not tell you at least in your own voice in your head things that you do not understand

This is why the school of Socrates put such a massive emphasis on philosophy and dialectics, you pray, you receive an answer, you must then carefully consider and mull over that answer, think about it deeply, consider if indeed the answer was from the Gods or if you simply answered yourself and indeed if you answered yourself truthfully.

You will actually notice much of what HPZM writes isn't "The Gods have said this unto me and so I have said it unto you" in fact nearly the entire ethical framework he constructed comes from a place of dialectics.

But they told him study plato, for example lets take this example, how did the High Priest know that the Gods really said that, the thing is of course he hears them in their voice, but i saw one time HPL said in days when she doesnt hear, she uses yes and no method, so she does not do telepathy in her own voice, which means she overlook it.. ( pure speculation of mine of course ) i would be grateful if the High Priestess guide me on the matter

You can trust your own communications but you must also challenge them mentally and apply thought to them in order to understand them, the Gods are here to teach us and they teach us not by just giving us orders and laws to memorize by rote, but by presenting us with concepts to explore, you build your power to communicate with the Gods by building up your mental ability to process higher topics, the art of philosophy, this is how you move past distortion and delusion into truth.

The thing is the more you refine your understanding the more you are able to give good imaginative answers, so if one hears accurate things it does not mean necessarily the Gods he can just be intelligent,

My question is when during a summoning or after ritual, one is having telepathic communication with the Gods and writing down the answers, how to know if whats written is totally wronc, has some truths, or all is true. There must be a way, i do not know if one should just trust and build from there or if there is something else

 

[Beauty]

can we at least have some sort of things that what Gods can say and what Gods will never say,

When i bypass 1, and i hear in 2 or 3, i do hear sometimes, but then the probability comes of what its some random entity..

 

[Emergent13]

You get it. Telling people to ask the Gods or they suck is just a get out of logic card for most people to be dogmatic and avoid uncomfortable topics. It's being overused.

I asked my question independently of this thread. I don't agree with you, and I think claiming that HPS Pythia didn't approve the name change or the deletion of her posts is a huge stretch and even an insult to her intelligence. Her posts were deleted for the same reason why High Priest got his 12000 posts deleted. Her name change also reflects the general initiative in the forums.

Because connection to Gods is extremely important, especially in this fallen age, if one wants to get anything worthwhile done. Obsession with telepathic communication is going to lead to frustration, as is evident here. Personally, I think one does not need to hear them verbally to reach an agreement.

I admit that I felt like Beauty when I read members suggesting new members to reach out to the Gods from day one. I am not a very social person, so it always felt a bit daunting to me. Do you have any advice on how to get more connected to the Gods without risking miscommunication? Should we pray and ask for more general questions instead of more direct ones?

Maybe, instead of asking specific questions, simply asking for their protection and guidance until one feels sufficiently advanced might suffice.

@Dypet Rod

INfighting? Oh, I beg to differ. The Forums are open to all people, so everybody can come here, click ‘I accept’ and say whatever they want, as long as they are staying within the Forum’s terms of conduct - which they can be oblivious of, hence ‘why was my post not accepted?’, ‘censorship!’, etc.

That said, some are quite adept at bending rules, but not breaking them.

Those people are not Zevists, so naturally, they more than likely will not do any spiritual opening. Spiritually blind and deaf. But sure enough, they are still able to post stuff. And, when hearing “ask the Gods”, they will resort to mental gymnastics in order to invalidate this statement, projecting their skills and openness (lack thereof) onto others.

As such, there is:

1.no infighting, as those people are not Zevists
2.just blaming others for their own mental and spiritual incompetence

I know you're an established member, and I respect you. However, rushing to accuse someone of not being a Zevist is a big deal, in my opinion. His mistake could be significant, but regardless, why would you think he is irredeemable and decide that he is not a Zevist? That's a big thing to say and very discouraging to someone who is also dedicated to Zeus. He said that when he typed about why he thinks HPS Pythia was insulted, his words didn't go through. Therefore, we don't know his exact reasoning in this thread.

 

[Nordicsupreme]

You get it. Telling people to ask the Gods or they suck is just a get out of logic card for most people to be dogmatic and avoid uncomfortable topics. It's being overused.

Ten years ago people were being told that when they asked questions. Now we find out much of what was believed was wrong. And people are still telling me that as if I don't indulge in all our practices daily.

Once again nothing is every fully wrong to put things into context.
Telling the people to ask the Gods is not a get out of jail free card and is not used that way by the Clergy. The point is for certain topics of personal emotional value a rational approach with data to back it up might not always prove fruitful due to personal biases one receiving the information might have. In such a context Gods who are forever patient with humanity can guide you around topics at a pace we understand.
Now lets understand what the true scenario was like 10-15 years back or back when the ToZ started : Racial Awareness was tending to zero which race mixing and open borders under the Kalergi Plan being forced on the people of the western world. Any form of racial understanding only meant an unjustified hate towards people who don't look like them or don't share the same beliefs - be it through Christian Nationalism, Arab/Muslim World Order etc. In such a time the primary objectives of the Gods and Lady Pythia was to preserve what could be preserved of the Truth. For most people in the world and historically speaking a political identity is always attached to such topics. The Regime you talk about is not any different from the Roman Empire under the Gods where similar concepts or imagery was used. The Egyptian Empire under the Gods or the the Indus Valley Civilization all had similar racial awareness which didn't derive its core value based on the hate of a certain group, rather love and compassion between races/groups.
The world Lady Pythia lived in was covered in darkness and her showing the Truth in ways she understood best is not her giving wrong information rather a step towards directing the thinking of people towards such concepts.
Is racial awareness at the same level it was 20 years back? The answer is no. Every joe on the street in Europe or the United States is now aware to a great degree of how these open borders and racial mixing non-sense is forced on them to effectively destroy their civilization. In such a case when social consciousness is at a higher level it is easier to focus on things of greater value i.e. true spiritual knowledge free of these rhetoric.

The Gods through the Clergy work in ways that help steer the population towards their development and preservation. The temporal truths applicable to a certain time in history do not apply universally at all times. The only Universal truth remains spiritual evolution which the Temple has always focused on.

My problem in your case is that you focus a lot on things that don't directly add value towards spiritual growth and wellness of the Community, these are small problems and can be corrected.
Research spiritual topics and share it on the Forums and you are likely to receive inputs and conversations based around it which will be good for the community as a whole.

 

[616Taysha]

@Emergent13 aaaand what of it? I honestly doubt EVERYBODY who comes here does so from very noble reasons. Some come here to troll, to waste their time. Ask around, some senior members may remember infiltrators from years past, when ToZ was JoS. Those idiots did not care about ideals and goals, something higher - they were here to waste their, and our time.

And how do you know that someone who claims to be dedicated to Zeus is actually dedicated? Can't they lie? Oh, make no mistake, the OP is merely an example.

Having been here for... quite a while, and having seen things, I can confidently say that. Res, non verba - and since words are the primary means of communication, it is what and how one writes, how one communicates that is meaningful.

Will there be disagreements? I'm no fool, I know there will be - however, it is one thing to have issues and expect explanation (which is fair), whilst gaslighting others, trash-talking about legends, such as HPs Pythia, evading asnwers and in general not contributing to the development of the community, which is soemthing altogether different.

And you know, Ol algredo, Henu, ARE senior members. Soooo, talking back to them where they're doing their best to explain the sitation...

Beyond that, I've already given my thoughts on this matter in this thread. TL;DR - persisting in being an a-hole, this is what proves my 'not-a-Zevis' point.

 

[Emergent13]

Once again nothing is every fully wrong to put things into context.
Telling the people to ask the Gods is not a get out of jail free card and is not used that way by the Clergy. The point is for certain topics of personal emotional value a rational approach with data to back it up might not always prove fruitful due to personal biases one receiving the information might have. In such a context Gods who are forever patient with humanity can guide you around topics at a pace we understand.
Now lets understand what the true scenario was like 10-15 years back or back when the ToZ started : Racial Awareness was tending to zero which race mixing and open borders under the Kalergi Plan being forced on the people of the western world. Any form of racial understanding only meant an unjustified hate towards people who don't look like them or don't share the same beliefs - be it through Christian Nationalism, Arab/Muslim World Order etc. In such a time the primary objectives of the Gods and Lady Pythia was to preserve what could be preserved of the Truth. For most people in the world and historically speaking a political identity is always attached to such topics. The Regime you talk about is not any different from the Roman Empire under the Gods where similar concepts or imagery was used. The Egyptian Empire under the Gods or the the Indus Valley Civilization all had similar racial awareness which didn't derive its core value based on the hate of a certain group, rather love and compassion between races/groups.
The world Lady Pythia lived in was covered in darkness and her showing the Truth in ways she understood best is not her giving wrong information rather a step towards directing the thinking of people towards such concepts.
Is racial awareness at the same level it was 20 years back? The answer is no. Every joe on the street in Europe or the United States is now aware to a great degree of how these open borders and racial mixing non-sense is forced on them to effectively destroy their civilization. In such a case when social consciousness is at a higher level it is easier to focus on things of greater value i.e. true spiritual knowledge free of these rhetoric.

The Gods through the Clergy work in ways that help steer the population towards their development and preservation. The temporal truths applicable to a certain time in history do not apply universally at all times. The only Universal truth remains spiritual evolution which the Temple has always focused on.

My problem in your case is that you focus a lot on things that don't directly add value towards spiritual growth and wellness of the Community, these are small problems and can be corrected.
Research spiritual topics and share it on the Forums and you are likely to receive inputs and conversations based around it which will be good for the community as a whole.

What you wrote here is a very coherent explanation. Initially, I thought the same thing but there is a catch. Canonically, the Temple rejects this. You say that these things were needed in the past, despite them being half-truths or necessities of their time. I thought so too, however, the Declarations explicitly state that this political stuff should never ever have been here, and it was a clear mistake.

 

[Nordicsupreme]

What you wrote here is a very coherent explanation. Initially, I thought the same thing but there is a catch. Canonically, the Temple rejects this. You say that these things were needed in the past, despite them being half-truths or necessities of their time. I thought so too, however, the Declarations explicitly state that this political stuff should never ever have been here, and it was a clear mistake.

That is true too dear brother
As a spiritual forum discussing these topics only gets the attention of people who might not be interested in spirituality in the first place. For example if the Temple attracted 100 people out of which only 10 truly meditated and the 90 others were here for political reasons with little to no interest in spirituality it is not fair to the Gods or the Temple to serve/help such people, many of these people left as soon as the recent updates were released showing their cared more about the political aspect than spiritual path. When spirituality is used to anchor and justify personal hate towards communities it serves nobody any good and unfortunately this is what happened.
A truth is a truth but based on personal development and ability to interpret a simple text can be grossly misunderstood and misrepresented.
When you look at religion of Islam or Christianity they serve the same Yehuboric principles of destruction but there isn't a psychosis of race attached to them which unfortunately a certain group did to their own community. The truths which were shared applied equally to all programs of Yehubor. If the Hindus tomorrow declares themselves to be a separate tribe and their priests push it down the throat of all its followers for 2000 years a common and accepted belief of this being true will be recognized. This is psychosis at play and unfortunately this is what was happening to many people around the world.
The plans of Yehuboric programs are similar to how criminal organizations work without the spiritual favoritism claim. Recognizing the patterns of the world we live in is crucial to understand where we truly stand.
As a Temple if these would not have been shared the focus on spiritual concepts would have been much higher and years wasted on these side topics could have been saved and used productively.
Irrespective dear brother the only thing that remains is spiritual development and the Gods and hopefully in the coming decades the growth of community will be 100x faster without the political narratives

 

[Beauty]

What you wrote here is a very coherent explanation. Initially, I thought the same thing but there is a catch. Canonically, the Temple rejects this. You say that these things were needed in the past, despite them being half-truths or necessities of their time. I thought so too, however, the Declarations explicitly state that this political stuff should never ever have been here, and it was a clear mistake.

Given the fact no one answered this part i will even if what interests me is the above about communication with Gods, i am still kindly waiting for someone to give his opinion on it,

It is said the Gods are not related to politics, if a Zevist becomes politician the Gods will guide him so the Gods will be in politics through him if he channels their will, lets say he wants to choose if he joins political party A or B or C, and the Gods guide him to choose A, it does not mean the Gods adopt A view, this is only related to the circumstances of the individual, if he writes a book about how the Gods political system is A thats false,

If we had a high Priest who is all about music and start talking about how Gods supported music and how the Gods love music and he starts encouraging all Zevists to start playing instruments and we have pdfs about best musicians and history of music, (part removed by moderator)

this does not sound right i do not think Zevists will like this, we cannot take one person preference or dharma and make whole ToZ revolve around it, but on personal level it looks normal : a painter, guided by Gods, faces unfairness for example => deals with it with magic, thats normal but if this is done on the ToZ scale its a problem

ToZ should revolve around the Gods not personal preferences ,and in the personal level people are free to make their life all about music or politics or painting or whatever,

so ToZ should stay vast unbounded by ones preferences or topics he studies etc..

If one likes paintings there are Gods that guide in that same for many areas .. but ToZ should not be all distorted to fit a painter view even if in personal level its right to do so if its ones dharma,

that is my opinion. ToZ should be vast, and eternal, while on personal level each ones dharma and interests differs.

One thing i agree heavily with you in, is how if someone said before he was told by the Gods that we should go beyond politics he would have been called delusional,

Same if one said we should not use Satan and other names of Gods but use the ancient original names,

Etc..

But thats the norm, in this forum we do not have ´the elite ´ , we have people with beautiful souls who seek the truth and want to evolve,

It does not mean we all here are special in the sense if a Zevist say something then it must be true, or every Zevist is developed more than a non-Zevist in all areas, if one is Zevist it does not mean by law he will be best mathematician best athlete best everything, he can still be outperformed especially if he does not put in the work,

Here like in any group, the advancement, intelligence and potency differs,

Its for a reason we still only have 2 High Priests,

So do not take members opinions too seriously,

A point i wrote it but when i checked i did not find it lol, i will re-write it:

The members who throw the cards of delusion etc, know that they themselves cannot know if they are having authentic conversations with Gods or not, most of them, they cannot discern and explain with accuracy their own experiences, let alone being able to do discernment for another member( besides when its too clear)

I asked above about communication with Gods, in a trending thread, so everyone saw my messages, why only 2 members engaged? Its not because the others did not see, in fact they too do not know thats the truth, they too are not sure,

Priest Alexandros said if anyone thinks he can communicate with Gods with accuracy of HPS Pythia he is wrong and he also said no one can talk with the Gods as accurately as a High Priest Zevios Metathronos,

So what does this mean ? It means no member is able to communicate with full accuracy, which means everyone have an element of delusion, imagination or false interpretation there ( based on what i understood from the Priest, i am open for correction ), i did not see someone object, so this is telling, and then i see in threads people talking like the norm is communication with Gods,

So this whole subject is not clear, and i almost gave up on having the answer from the external world, i think iwill just explore it myself and know.

@Priest - Alexandros Iowno if you have any insights on this matter i will be grateful.

As for HPZM, given his current accuracy in communication with Gods, i am unsure at this point if he realize how difficult this is for other members, especially that everyone goes silent in certain subjects when they do not know which make things look like if there is nothing lacking when in fact people should start learning to say they do not know, this is of itself a form of feedback and guides the High Priests to know what are subjects they should engage with for better advancement of community.

I asked: does hearing Gods in their voice come with no distortion,

Even this which should normally have an instant answer i did not get an answer for , instead : Go read Sermons,

I read every single thing in forum about communication with Gods,

Guardian Voice of Enki said that he communicated with the dead before, he did not include that there may be distortions or whatever

Priest alexandros said same thing, he did not talk about did not talk about distortions,

HPL talked about the yes and no method, did not talk about distortions,

and in same time when one asks, he starts receiving a lot of ´ distortion distortion delusion delusion’

I give you an example,

Seing Gods with horns or whatever is considered distortion right ?

And then HPZM said that the vision one sees is always distorted since the Gods have no form and they can appear in forms the practitioner assume holy or such

So we cannot say to one who sees Gods with horns as seing distorted image since based on what i understood from HPZM statement, ALL IS DISTORTED SO ALL FORMS ARE DISTORTIONS AND ARE NEVER FORM OF GODS

GIVEN THERE IS NO REFERENCE POINT HOW COME WE CALL SOME FORMS DISTORTED AND SOME NOT DISTORTED. IF THERE IS NO REFERENCE THEN THE BEAUTIFUL AND THE SCARY FORMS ARE BOTH VALID, BECAUSE THERE IS NO REFERENCE POINT BECAUSE THE GODS DO NOT HAVE FORM + SEING GODS IS OF ITSELF DISTORTED THE REALITY OF PERCEPTION IS LEVEL 5 GODHEAD

( not angry just to give a serious vibe to this lol)

My brain will explode, there is something off in this subject, i do not understand it but there must be something.

Since in same time i have seen Gods without having expectation, 0 expectation and without knowing the God, so this normally is not distorted in the sense the God choose to appear this way,

This subject is really confusing to me its like if there is something missing

 

[Beauty]

Given the fact no one answered this part i will even if what interests me is the above about communication with Gods, i am still kindly waiting for someone to give his opinion on it,

It is said the Gods are not related to politics, if a Zevist becomes politician the Gods will guide him so the Gods will be in politics through him if he channels their will, lets say he wants to choose if he joins political party A or B or C, and the Gods guide him to choose A, it does not mean the Gods adopt A view, this is only related to the circumstances of the individual, if he writes a book about how the Gods political system is A thats false,

If we had a high Priest who is all about music and start talking about how Gods supported music and how the Gods love music and he starts encouraging all Zevists to start playing instruments and we have pdfs about best musicians and history of music, and we start having RTRs against people who are against the good musicians etc..

this does not sound right i do not think Zevists will like this, we cannot take one person preference or dharma and make whole ToZ revolve around it, but on personal level it looks normal : a painter, guided by Gods, faces unfairness for example => deals with it with magic, thats normal but if this is done on the ToZ scale its a problem

ToZ should revolve around the Gods not personal preferences ,and in the personal level people are free to make their life all about music or politics or painting or whatever,

so ToZ should stay vast unbounded by ones preferences or topics he studies etc..

If one likes paintings there are Gods that guide in that same for many areas .. but ToZ should not be all distorted to fit a painter view even if in personal level its right to do so if its ones dharma,

that is my opinion. ToZ should be vast, and eternal, while on personal level each ones dharma and interests differs.

One thing i agree heavily with you in, is how if someone said before he was told by the Gods that we should go beyond politics he would have been called delusional,

Same if one said we should not use Satan and other names of Gods but use the ancient original names,

Etc..

But thats the norm, in this forum we do not have ´the elite ´ , we have people with beautiful souls who seek the truth and want to evolve,

It does not mean we all here are special in the sense if a Zevist say something then it must be true, or every Zevist is developed more than a non-Zevist in all areas, if one is Zevist it does not mean by law he will be best mathematician best athlete best everything, he can still be outperformed especially if he does not put in the work,

Here like in any group, the advancement, intelligence and potency differs,

Its for a reason we still only have 2 High Priests,

So do not take members opinions too seriously,

A point i wrote it but when i checked i did not find it lol, i will re-write it:

The members who throw the cards of delusion etc, know that they themselves cannot know if they are having authentic conversations with Gods or not, most of them, they cannot discern and explain with accuracy their own experiences, let alone being able to do discernment for another member( besides when its too clear)

I asked above about communication with Gods, in a trending thread, so everyone saw my messages, why only 2 members engaged? Its not because the others did not see, in fact they too do not know thats the truth, they too are not sure,

Priest Alexandros said if anyone thinks he can communicate with Gods with accuracy of HPS Pythia he is wrong and he also said no one can talk with the Gods as accurately as a High Priest Zevios Metathronos,

So what does this mean ? It means no member is able to communicate with full accuracy, which means everyone have an element of delusion, imagination or false interpretation there ( based on what i understood from the Priest, i am open for correction ), i did not see someone object, so this is telling, and then i see in threads people talking like the norm is communication with Gods,

So this whole subject is not clear, and i almost gave up on having the answer from the external world, i think iwill just explore it myself and know.

@Priest - Alexandros Iowno if you have any insights on this matter i will be grateful.

As for HPZM, given his current accuracy in communication with Gods, i am unsure at this point if he realize how difficult this is for other members, especially that everyone goes silent in certain subjects when they do not know which make things look like if there is nothing lacking when in fact people should start learning to say they do not know, this is of itself a form of feedback and guides the High Priests to know what are subjects they should engage with for better advancement of community.

I asked: does hearing Gods in their voice come with no distortion,

Even this which should normally have an instant answer i did not get an answer for , instead : Go read Sermons,

I read every single thing in forum about communication with Gods,

Guardian Voice of Enki said that he communicated with the dead before, he did not include that there may be distortions or whatever

Priest alexandros said same thing, he did not talk about did not talk about distortions,

HPL talked about the yes and no method, did not talk about distortions,

and in same time when one asks, he starts receiving a lot of ´ distortion distortion delusion delusion’

I give you an example,

Seing Gods with horns or whatever is considered distortion right ?

And then HPZM said that the vision one sees is always distorted since the Gods have no form and they can appear in forms the practitioner assume holy or such

So we cannot say to one who sees Gods with horns as seing distorted image since based on what i understood from HPZM statement, ALL IS DISTORTED SO ALL FORMS ARE DISTORTIONS AND ARE NEVER FORM OF GODS

GIVEN THERE IS NO REFERENCE POINT HOW COME WE CALL SOME FORMS DISTORTED AND SOME NOT DISTORTED. IF THERE IS NO REFERENCE THEN THE BEAUTIFUL AND THE SCARY FORMS ARE BOTH VALID, BECAUSE THERE IS NO REFERENCE POINT BECAUSE THE GODS DO NOT HAVE FORM + SEING GODS IS OF ITSELF DISTORTED THE REALITY OF PERCEPTION IS LEVEL 5 GODHEAD

( not angry just to give a serious vibe to this lol)

My brain will explode, there is something off in this subject, i do not understand it but there must be something.

Since in same time i have seen Gods without having expectation, 0 expectation and without knowing the God, so this normally is not distorted in the sense the God choose to appear this way,

This subject is really confusing to me its like if there is something missing

this comes from someone who had authentic experienced with Gods,

Just so that its not dismissed as simply frustration, because there is a tendency that few people take serious matters and frame them based on their opinion to make the whole matter seem psychological, frustration or whatever. At least here, its not the case, i am asking to evolve, and so that others learn to.

 

[Beauty]

this comes from someone who had authentic experienced with Gods,

Just so that its not dismissed as simply frustration, because there is a tendency that few people take serious matters and frame them based on their opinion to make the whole matter seem psychological, frustration or whatever. At least here, its not the case, i am asking to evolve, and so that others learn to.

Authentic experiences*