Were human sacrifices in Ancient Paganism real? I thought the gods were against sacrifice.

[Prometheus’s Raven]

Were human sacrifices in Ancient Paganism real? I thought the gods were against sacrifice.

 

[Egon]

Cults of Yehubor - Christianity, Islam and Judaism: Animal Sacrifices - Pay in Blood

Zevists are against any and all animal sacrifices for "religious" purposes. This does not involve the regular and human slaughter for consumption, which is done by the millions of flock. Now, everyone will recall the old arguments of the Christians, Judaists and Islamics; some of their most...

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Temple of Zeus Liturgical Terms: "Atibilbil" & "Sahibur - Sahiburah" [Updated]

Greetings everyone in the Zevist family, ATIBILBIL: "But I cannot even pronounce this word" - Yes, because it shows exactly this; the confusion of the mind. Atibilibil is the operational method by which the Birburim take root in the minds of populations: the systematic production and...

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[Apprentice]

Were human sacrifices in Ancient Paganism real? I thought the gods were against sacrifice.

Absolutely not. This would be totally anti-nature, anti-life.

 

[Khem Nefermed]

~90% of cases are slander. Canaanite child sacrifice is only talked about in the Yehubor Bible, for example, no outside sources. Greek and Germanic human sacrifices are christian propaganda, and "animal sacrifices" were misinterpreted blessings of the food or rituals to help the slaughtered animal reincarnate.

That being said, some peoples and cultures did do this and that sacrifice. Some were warned, some were left to their own devices because their conscience should've known better.
The Gods also frown upon laziness, and yet many who follow them are lazy, and so on.
If the Gods only "allowed" to happen what "they want" to happen, you wouldn't have the sentience to ask this question.

Ignorant people will do what ignorant people do, and it does not reflect on the Gods who are only good, fountains of good and without blemish.
"Why God allows x", "why God didn't stop y", "doesn't God dislike z" are mentalities of an Abrahamic origin, these weren't even questions in the Hellene world, for example.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

Canaanite child sacrifice is only talked about in the Yehubor Bible, for example, no outside sources

Several greek and roman sources attested to the caananites engaging in this practice, including Plato.

What humans under heavy dross do in the name of the Gods however does not mean the Gods commanded or condoned these things.

Speaking of infanticide, the bible itself is full of it, and yehubor in Israel and the Islamic world as well as other places are killing and abusing children in the name of the biblical/quaranic “God” to this day, a fact that’s ignored or even justified by the same yehuborim who then screech about caananite worshippers who may or may not have done these yehuboric sacrifices 3000 years ago. I believe they did do these sacrifices, but that does not mean the Gods are to blame for this.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

Speaking of infanticide, the bible itself is full of it, and yehubor in Israel and the Islamic world as well as other places are killing and abusing children in the name of the biblical/quaranic “God” to this day, a fact that’s ignored or even justified by the same yehuborim who then screech about caananite worshippers who may or may not have done these yehuboric sacrifices 3000 years ago.

If you argue with these people who try to say Pagans did child sacrifices long enough, you’ll invariably get them to admit that their real problem with this wasn’t that children were being killed, as “Yahweh/Allah” ordered/commited infanticide several times in the bible and qur’an, but that the real problem here was that it was just the worship of other Gods.

They will always forfeit this and you flip the moral accusation towards Pagans on its head. By the end of it they will be the ones trying to defend infanticide while we do say that anyone who does this is not a real follower of the Gods. They can’t say that. They have to defend the disgusting shit in the bible/Qur’an/hadiths. We don’t have to defend cultures who slid down a corrupted path and strayed heavily from the culture of the Gods.

Never let these scum convince you they have the moral high ground on anything. They don’t.

 

[Black Magic]

Even if people did make sacrifices, it’s important to understand that this is merely a human need. The Gods are the gods, they have everything. They don’t need sacrifices, only attention and strive for the truth.

 

[Stormblood]

Were human sacrifices in Ancient Paganism real? I thought the gods were against sacrifice.

Short version (but I still highly recommend reading the sources Egon's provided):

No, they didn't sacrifice anything other than flowers. Only fringe groups that Yehubor-ised themselves started committing unnatural acts like animal sacrifice and beyond, not "Ancient Pagans". It came after "Ancient Pagans" when people became progressively more ignorant.

Several greek and roman sources attested to the caananites engaging in this practice, including Plato.

What humans under heavy dross do in the name of the Gods however does not mean the Gods commanded or condoned these things.

Speaking of infanticide, the bible itself is full of it, and yehubor in Israel and the Islamic world as well as other places are killing and abusing children in the name of the biblical/quaranic “God” to this day, a fact that’s ignored or even justified by the same yehuborim who then screech about caananite worshippers who may or may not have done these yehuboric sacrifices 3000 years ago. I believe they did do these sacrifices, but that does not mean the Gods are to blame for this.

One thing is saying a group of Canaanites did, another is saying all Canaanites do it. I doubt it. It's likely that these were Cannaanites of a certain ancestry.

Claude says:

> On Plato specifically: Plato himself did not write about Canaanite or Phoenician child sacrifice. What exists is a reference in the Scholia to Plato's Republic (337A) — these are later marginal commentaries written by others, not by Plato. The historian Kleitarchos, a 4th-century Greek, is quoted in those scholia describing how the Phoenicians and especially the Carthaginians would sacrifice children to Kronos. Bad Ancient So claiming "Plato attested" to it is a misattribution — it's a note written about a passage in Plato, not Plato speaking.

Also:

> The important nuance though: the sources are mostly about Carthaginian/Phoenician practice, not mainland Canaanites directly.

> On the cult vs. culture distinction: This is the sharper and more important point, and I think you're identifying something that the sources themselves don't actually resolve cleanly. The Greek and Roman accounts describe specific ritual occasions [...] particular groups at particular sites. That's a very different claim from "this was a generalised cultural norm among the Canaanite peoples." The Biblical condemnations are also theologically motivated polemic, not ethnographic description — they're saying "some Israelites adopted this practice," which actually suggests it was a foreign or deviant cult intrusion rather than ambient Canaanite culture.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

Short version (but I still highly recommend reading the sources Egon's provided):

No, they didn't sacrifice anything other than flowers. Only fringe groups that Yehubor-ised themselves started committing unnatural acts like animal sacrifice and beyond, not "Ancient Pagans". It came after "Ancient Pagans" when people became progressively more ignorant.



One thing is saying a group of Canaanites did, another is saying all Canaanites do it. I doubt it. It's likely that these were Cannaanites of a certain ancestry.

Claude says:

> On Plato specifically: Plato himself did not write about Canaanite or Phoenician child sacrifice. What exists is a reference in the Scholia to Plato's Republic (337A) — these are later marginal commentaries written by others, not by Plato. The historian Kleitarchos, a 4th-century Greek, is quoted in those scholia describing how the Phoenicians and especially the Carthaginians would sacrifice children to Kronos. Bad Ancient So claiming "Plato attested" to it is a misattribution — it's a note written about a passage in Plato, not Plato speaking.

Also:

> The important nuance though: the sources are mostly about Carthaginian/Phoenician practice, not mainland Canaanites directly.

> On the cult vs. culture distinction: This is the sharper and more important point, and I think you're identifying something that the sources themselves don't actually resolve cleanly. The Greek and Roman accounts describe specific ritual occasions [...] particular groups at particular sites. That's a very different claim from "this was a generalised cultural norm among the Canaanite peoples." The Biblical condemnations are also theologically motivated polemic, not ethnographic description — they're saying "some Israelites adopted this practice," which actually suggests it was a foreign or deviant cult intrusion rather than ambient Canaanite culture.

Maybe read the source the AI slop you generated gave me before making a claim, and don't rely on AI on these things. Make your own answers from your own readings. The hairsplitting on whether Plato actually said it or not, and whether it was a group of Cannanites or all of Caananites and Carthaginians (the ancient historical accounts make no distinction and strongly imply it was a mainstream practice) is largely irrelevant on whether they did this or not.

Several Greek and Roman historians attest to this, it's a matter of record. It originated in Canaan, and carried over to Carthage. It was a common practice in that specific cultural lineage, something that didn't die out with the Caananite/Carthagianian culture either. Today they just do it in the open in Palestine.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

Enlightened and actual cultures of the Gods, nope.

Deviants, freaks and insane pieces of people who do this existed in Aztec civilization, Ancient Israel (it's commonly stated in the bible that x or y ethnic people were sacrificed to YHWH), the phenomenon of both human war sacrifice and animal sacrifice exists also in Islam (all of jihad and holy war taking place is supposed to pretend it's "sacrifice to the one true god", existed in Ancient India before (remote villages - these were razed by the central India many times over this practice), and maybe (debatable) existed in Carthage.

In Christianity, the narrative is that "One man was sacrificed by God to save humanity from it's sins" in simulation of sacrifice upon a cross. A "man" is sacrificed and people apparently clap for it, call it necessary etc. Then after they do this they claim they are against human sacrifices and dark practices, while they engage in peak Yehubor simulation as the central core of their "religious" play-pretend.

There is strong evidence this is all made up lies however about "Carthage", without functional proof. It was more sensationalism to invade them and destroy them for war related purposes [to make up this argument just shows you how much against this the Gods and people were it was not common, but it was abomination in their eyes].

The phenomenon has to do with contact with enemy entities and/or insane humans. Today simulations or even actual events relating to this happen mostly by the three mainstream religions; Judaism, Islam and Christianity, in more covert or even obvious forms.

For understanding about blood sacrifices, I send you to the links below. It's unacceptable in Zevism and an abomination in both forms (and not only abomination, but not necessary).

The Animal Sacrifice Cults & Legal Double Standard - Temple of Zeus

XXIV Animal Ethics: Consumption & The Prohibition of Animal Sacrifices

Ritual slaughter of animals because "God said so" exists copiously in Islam and in Christianity and Judaism.

As for the Gods, clearly they were not done for the Gods.

 

[Stormblood]

Maybe read the source the AI slop you generated gave me before making a claim, and don't rely on AI on these things. Make your own answers from your own readings. The hairsplitting on whether Plato actually said it or not, and whether it was a group of Cannanites or all of Caananites and Carthaginians (the ancient historical accounts make no distinction and strongly imply it was a mainstream practice) is largely irrelevant on whether they did this or not.

Several Greek and Roman historians attest to this, it's a matter of record. It originated in Canaan, and carried over to Carthage. It was a common practice in that specific cultural lineage, something that didn't die out with the Caananite/Carthagianian culture either. Today they just do it in the open in Palestine.

You cannot be reading everything all the time, and remember everything. You need to prioritise, especially when developing other areas of life.

I'm also not going to waste my time looking for insignificant details that I already know are false by virtue of lifetimes of advancement. So, I'm not going to. I'm going to focus on what's important and relevant, and I encourage you to do the same. Not to mention Claude is smarter than all other public AIs combined, and will effectively disprove any argument in the areas or classics and philosophy, which are its preferred domains of knowledge. I'd be cautious. If you wanna argue with Claude, start citing names, books, chapters, etc

There's also no hairsplitting there. It's like we make a Zevist country one day, and you there's a retarded niche that somehow decides it's a good idea to make sacrifices (they'd be non-Zevists and criminally prosecuted at that point). Would you find it proper to say at that point that Zevists sacrificed children, just because a small group of criminals engaged in that degenerate behaviour? Τhe question answers itself.

Or what about a more neutral example? A small percentage of the population in the Netherlands is made of homosexual people. Would it be correct to say all Dutch people are homosexual?

High Priest also gave you a fantastic reply.

 

[Acolyte Of Pan 666]

Enlightened and actual cultures of the Gods, nope.

Deviants, freaks and insane pieces of people who do this existed in Aztec civilization, Ancient Israel (it's commonly stated in the bible that x or y ethnic people were sacrificed to YHWH), the phenomenon of both human war sacrifice and animal sacrifice exists also in Islam (all of jihad and holy war taking place is supposed to pretend it's "sacrifice to the one true god", existed in Ancient India before (remote villages - these were razed by the central India many times over this practice), and maybe (debatable) existed in Carthage.

In Christianity, the narrative is that "One man was sacrificed by God to save humanity from it's sins" in simulation of sacrifice upon a cross. A "man" is sacrificed and people apparently clap for it, call it necessary etc. Then after they do this they claim they are against human sacrifices and dark practices, while they engage in peak Yehubor simulation as the central core of their "religious" play-pretend.

There is strong evidence this is all made up lies however about "Carthage", without functional proof. It was more sensationalism to invade them and destroy them for war related purposes [to make up this argument just shows you how much against this the Gods and people were it was not common, but it was abomination in their eyes].

The phenomenon has to do with contact with enemy entities and/or insane humans. Today simulations or even actual events relating to this happen mostly by the three mainstream religions; Judaism, Islam and Christianity, in more covert or even obvious forms.

For understanding about blood sacrifices, I send you to the links below. It's unacceptable in Zevism and an abomination in both forms (and not only abomination, but not necessary).

The Animal Sacrifice Cults & Legal Double Standard - Temple of Zeus

XXIV Animal Ethics: Consumption & The Prohibition of Animal Sacrifices

Ritual slaughter of animals because "God said so" exists copiously in Islam and in Christianity and Judaism.

As for the Gods, clearly they were not done for the Gods.

I just don’t think it’s likely that the several Greek and Roman historians over centuries who wrote that both Cannanites and Carthaginians were doing these sacrifices were engaging in sensationalist propaganda.