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[destroyer]

If the gods simply watch as certain artists are worshipped by millions of people in their place and do not show us their existence in a form in which all people would perceive it, then why should I still believe?

If the gods allow billions of people to believe in something that does not exist and in a farce like Jesus, then why should I not believe?

yes, maybe now you are saying that there are certain barriers and laws of the universe that prevent the appearances of gods in our world
but that is too much

I have endured too much
too many spells that did not work, too many cries to them full of pain and unanswered, too much information coming from all sides, too many fake, crazy, good, evil people, but no god.

My opinion is that we need something that will break all barriers and realities, something that will close the "mouths" of science and artificial intelligence.
something purely superhuman coming from the temple of Zeus.
When this force manifests itself, I will gladly follow this path until then...

"I will watch and do nothing."

the chains have fallen i have realized that i am not bound by any other religion or "truth" i am completely free a man drawn from a species that has developed over time

 

[The Alchemist7 [SG]]

Hello. I have read your post and I need to say and clarify to everyone based on my understanding that this is not how things work in the world/Universe.

The Gods are not attempting to supervise our world or manipulate or force certain decisions. The Gods have created Humanity (and possibly other civilizations too), but as with any other living being that exists under universal laws, we are sovereign lifeforms that are responsible for our decisions and our evolution. The Gods will help us improve and create a greater civilization granted we reach out to them with understanding of the implications and doing what we must do to evolve with Their guidance and knowledge, and not with Their direct intervention and pampering.

If we get to the lowest "izfetic" stupidity of destroying ourselves with nukes or similar, the Gods are not going to intervene to stop the loss of human life for example and also, what good would it be in Their intervention if humanity is so far under in the awareness scale that the people who press the buttons to send rockets left and right don't even believe in the Gods? Nobody will learn nothing from Their intervention (and even if they did, that still won't warrant any because that's not how things work), whereas, if ethical people with awareness and understanding of the Gods would be at the buttons, most of the world's issues are probably going to get resolved by diplomacy and without sending any rocket left and right. Nonetheless people who make themselves responsible for atrocities are going to be judged accordingly.

To make a comparison, if you think of a hive of bees, those bees are also sovereign entities that do what they have naturally evolved to do. We as humans (i.e much more advanced and elevated beings, sometimes) observe what they are doing but it does not mean that we should interfere in how a queen rules its hive or how a bee pollinates a flower or other things they is in their natural instinct to do. This also includes negativity such as when for whatever reason bees attack or kill each other, which does happen as well. It does not mean that we as superior forces should interfere with the course of nature and stop such negativity. The same dynamic exists between humans and the Gods: If we are ready and determined to evolve ourselves, They will help massively, offer knowledge (which you can see here on ToZ in many occasions), guide, offer affection and everything that striving beings that are strong in the spirit are worthy of receiving.

This works only when the determination comes from within us as sovereign beings, not when the determination is "inflicted" on us by superior beings, the Universe does not work like this. On the other hand if we reach depths of evil which is most of the time by our own degeneration the Gods have no obligation or interest to simply lift us out of the mess we created because we will get into that same situation straight away and no natural evolution happens. It's like trying to hide the drugs away from your drug-addict child, they are just going to go buy some more and continue on the self-destruction path. Whereas if you explain to him/her the risks involved on long term and offer to guide them, if they are beings with some self-awareness left within, they might understand and push themselves to stop addiction (any sort of addiction can only be stopped by your own personal willpower, no medical treatment or anything will simply make addiction disappear). This is how things work between humans and the Gods in my understanding.

I have endured too much
too many spells that did not work, too many cries to them full of pain and unanswered, too much information coming from all sides, too many fake, crazy, good, evil people, but no god.

One may cry to the Gods and most likely They have tried to reach out to guide and help, but how can this be utilized if your channels of receiving any sort of information from Them is blocked? If you read High Priest Zevios' sermon about how the Gods appear to us, on the scale of 1 to 5 what number do you consider you belong to?

How The Gods Appear To Initiates - The 5 Levels of Divine Revelation

THE FIVE LEVELS OF DIVINE THEOPHANY by High Priest Zevios Metathronos A Platonic Framework for Understanding How the Gods Appear - Based on the Divided Line (Republic 509d–511e) Temple of Zeus • Official Document Introduction: The Problem of Divine Appearance The Gods don't hide. They aren't...

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As about spells that did not work, it is actually not easy to make spells work. It requires not only doing the spell itself, but empowering your being not only spiritually (by meditation, yoga etc.) but also physically (overcoming poverty, eating healthy, training. etc). What is your history with these? How spells are "going to work" is a gradual process that builds on your spiritual and physical advancement.