Why did the Vikings worship the Norse Gods (Odin/Satan) but raped women in every village they pillaged?

[Jack]

I understand that actions of mass organized violence is sometimes necessary but rape is just disgusting ,utterly vile and despicable.

 

[High Priest Zevios Metathronos]

I understand that actions of mass organized violence is sometimes necessary but rape is just disgusting ,utterly vile and despicable.

The punishment of those who were rapists even in WW2 and the Roman Empire or the Greek Empire, was basically all the way from being killed to removal of office.

Any Roman general or soldier that was proven to do this, the cases of which were marginal and few, was stripped of all commands and in some cases imprisoned or killed. The reason for this is that politically speaking, invading armies, have to show a specific set of behavioral traits so that the people accept them. Unless that is done, eternal civil warfare takes place, and it is a fully time waste counterproductive thing.

Still, the bestial situation of wars causes these things, and it has been unavoidable. The strong morals on the time of war were thought to be a display of justified rule over ruled territories.

I think in the case of Vikings, probably rather inflated. For one, the Vikings practiced strict eugenic laws. It's also known the Vikings carried their own women whenever they went, exactly to avoid rape or similar things and keep themselves occupied with their own women.

I think there was also a punishment of amputation if anyone raped in a foreign land during an invasion. Other armies like the Mongolian or whatever, they took these measures far less lightly. This was because this is an animal act that evoked enmity of the local people, while even "War" in the past had specific sets of "morals". Not to call them morals, because the word is bad, but let's say "Rules".

For all we know, maybe the claims of "raping vikings" were a fad. Maybe some people did this here and there, we don't know. This has been the case in all armies worldwide. Some incur imprison, punishment, and death over this. That's because also this is seen as disobedience to command.

On the other hand, love or similar things can be possible to happen. When the US troops were in Italy after the end of the war, many women started marrying US personnel, but this has nothing got to do with this example.

Destruction, bloodshed, rape and whatever other atrocity is unavoidable in wars. But the idea of moral warfare is an Aryan thing that extends a lot in the past. The reasons for this are both political, cultural and of a spiritual notion. That is why also strangely in history many Aryans, even when they theoretically "Invaded" places in war like in India, they were not hated, but rather developed a form of peace with the local population.

The "Invasion" theory in India went even further to the point that they also gave them religious tenets, knowledge etc. This went both ways. Then the Aryans for whatever reason left, but they left leaving the locals in a better state than even their invasion.

It may come as shock, but even the "Art of War" was seen as a necessary evil, but the important idea was to do this properly and without destroying other Gentiles. There were certain morals of war, such as not touching civilians, leaving property intact, not instating heavy taxation [or even less taxation than the previous leaders], teaching people new morals, allowing people to have their own Pagan cultural heritage intact, never assaulting holy places, and many other rules around wars.

There were also absolute limits to how many people you would kill, and in even more noble times of warfare, sometimes wars were decided by the commanders going 1 vs 1 like you might have seen in the movie "Troy", to avoid mutual bloodshed of the rest of the army. The armies, being obedient, would then comply and go under the new rule, which for all intents, was just a new political government.

Alexander the Great instated many of these, and that's why even though he conquered all the known war at the time, he ended up being loved by most people who greatly lamented after his loss. The Roman Empire tried to emulate the same situation. Many of these events took place in the otherwise "Bloody" times of Era of Aries, and Era of Taurus.

The difference is, that even back then, many people were better off mentally, spiritually and closer to the Gods, so the amount of dirty warfare that took place, was far less than usual. WW1 was one of the dirtiest wars there has ever been.

 

[Jack]

I understand that actions of mass organized violence is sometimes necessary but rape is just disgusting ,utterly vile and despicable.

The punishment of those who were rapists even in WW2 and the Roman Empire or the Greek Empire, was basically all the way from being killed to removal of office.

Any Roman general or soldier that was proven to do this, the cases of which were marginal and few, was stripped of all commands and in some cases imprisoned or killed. The reason for this is that politically speaking, invading armies, have to show a specific set of behavioral traits so that the people accept them. Unless that is done, eternal civil warfare takes place, and it is a fully time waste counterproductive thing.

Still, the bestial situation of wars causes these things, and it has been unavoidable. The strong morals on the time of war were thought to be a display of justified rule over ruled territories.

I think in the case of Vikings, probably rather inflated. For one, the Vikings practiced strict eugenic laws. It's also known the Vikings carried their own women whenever they went, exactly to avoid rape or similar things and keep themselves occupied with their own women.

I think there was also a punishment of amputation if anyone raped in a foreign land during an invasion. Other armies like the Mongolian or whatever, they took these measures far less lightly. This was because this is an animal act that evoked enmity of the local people, while even "War" in the past had specific sets of morals.

For all we know, maybe the claims of "raping vikings" were a fad. Maybe some people did this here and there, we don't know.

On the other hand, love or similar things can be possible to happen. When the US troops were in Italy after the end of the war, many women started marrying US personnel, but this has nothing got to do with this example.

Destruction, bloodshed, rape and whatever other atrocity is unavoidable in wars. But the idea of moral warfare is an Aryan thing that extends a lot in the past. The reasons for this are both political, cultural and of a spiritual notion. That is why also strangely in history many Aryans, even when they theoretically "Invaded" places in war like in India, they were not hated, but rather developed a form of peace with the local population.

The "Invasion" theory in India went even further to the point that they also gave them religious tenets, knowledge etc. This went both ways. Then the Aryans for whatever reason left, but they left leaving the locals in a better state than even their invasion.

It may come as shock, but even the "Art of War" was seen as a necessary evil, but the important idea was to do this properly and without destroying other Gentiles. There were certain morals of war, such as not touching civilians, leaving property intact, not instating heavy taxation [or even less taxation than the previous leaders], teaching people new morals, allowing people to have their own Pagan cultural heritage intact, never assaulting holy places, and many other rules around wars.

There were also absolute limits to how many people you would kill, and in even more noble times of warfare, sometimes wars were decided by the commanders going 1 vs 1 like you might have seen in the movie "Troy", to avoid mutual bloodshed of the rest of the army. The armies, being obedient, would then comply and go under the new rule, which for all intents, was just a new political government.

Alexander the Great instated many of these, and that's why even though he conquered all the known war at the time, he ended up being loved by most people who greatly lamented after his loss. The Roman Empire tried to emulate the same situation. Many of these events took place in the otherwise "Bloody" times of Era of Aries, and Era of Taurus.

The difference is, that even back then, many people were better off mentally, spiritually and closer to the Gods, so the amount of dirty warfare that took place, was far less than usual. WW1 was one of the dirtiest wars there has ever been.

According to the Genetic research, the Aryan Invasion is more like Pure White Aryans moving into regions where Aryans already lives for thousands of years but those Aryans who were living there weren't completely white and were of Pre Iranian (Steppe Pastoralist) descendants. That caused more mixing and the issue of various races melting together has persisted ever since.
It's better to call it Aryan Migration because it's been seen the multiple Migrations to and from has happened within the last 10000 years. There wasn't any bloodshed or Genocide as its made out to be. The Ancient Aryans who were performing the Lingam worship combined their religious beliefs with the White Aryans who brought Fire Worship rituals and the civilization got even more prosperous.

 

[OhNoItsMook]

Often times, since I do not have the time to read every single topic, I ask myself in meditation if there are any topics that require my attention, then intuitively find them and write what needs to be said. I ask my GD as well sometimes, if there are topics that require my attention where my knowledge or wisdom can be of help, and let myself be directed where necessary.

It is quite different from many people who come here. I take it very seriously, and treat the Joy of Satan as my home, and the membership as my family, just like how Satan treats his followers no different than a father looking after his progeny.

You truly do that? I had known that you put extensive effort into helping people by expressing the knowledge you possess regarding a particular topic, but to specifically question as to how you may be able to offer your knowledge to people in your spare time, truly displays the extent of seriousness at which you take the advancement of our family.

You may not know of me, but you've helped me for years, too, and a lot of other people who might not yet have told you how strongly you have contributed to one's growth.
At times you actually also show some forms of knowledge and information that aren't normally just found or written. I'm referring to knowledge you've gained from experience and direct contact with the Gods. That's always inspired me, you know.

Anyway, to contribute to the topic of this thread, I find it strongly difficult to believe that a civilisation like the Vikings would commit something like rape. Anyone knit closely enough to the Gods and laws of nature would acknowledge sex as a sacred process of connecting the energies of the soul, utilising the spiritual and natural forces to grant life to a living, sentient being. Rape tarnishes this in the most wicked, corrupt forms, exploiting the concept of sex to rip out only a one-sided, sick form of pleasure. A people consisting of strong, White warriors who also respected women and children, resorting to such profane, deprived acts? No way on Earth.

Even in war, there is no way that this form of behavior would contribute to the objective of defeating the enemy. Bloodshed and losses in wars occur, yes, destruction to varying degrees is inevitable, yes. Where does rape benefit either side in this? Those that did commit this only do so to deliberately, unnecessarily cause further destruction to a victim on a personal level, and derive horrid satiety for their own depravation. It is simply twisted, and inhumane.

 

[Inflorescentia]

Vikings never raped anybody.

LOL. Cool it with the absolute statements. They make me lose interest in reading what else you'd want to say.

 

[NG SATchives]

Vikings never raped anybody. During the time of the Vikings, there was never any story saying that any of them raped anybody. But there were many very detailed stories of the things that they did do, like murdering priests, stealing things, and taking slaves. The earliest recorded story that said that Vikings raped anyone was written more than a thousand years later and was written by a Yehubor monk who was trying to convince everyone that vikings were some horrible evil thing and everyone needs to be christian instead.

At that time, the christians were absolute slaves. And they were physically disgusting because the Yehubor church would not allow people to clean themselves for months at a time. Similar to how some specific types of Yehuborim and muslims still follow this and refuse to clean themselves. Christians were also mentally discusting, and worthless in every way. The christians all were living like farm animals. But Vikings were very clean, healthy, strong, smart, brave, and were successful people. Because of this, there are stories of people from the christian cities who willingly wanted to go live with the Vikings, including that many of the people wanting to join vikings were the women. Christian women were like slaves and were treated like farm animals, but Viking women were treated equally to men and had all of the same rights and abilities as a man. Even somebody who was considered as a slave in Viking society was treated much better than most of the christians who were called free.

And the contemporary sources that talk about people, and specifically a lot of women, wanting and choosing to go live with Vikings, these were written by the christians so they have no reason to write this if it wasn't true. If they were going to lie and make the vikings look worse, they would have said it was involuntary.

A good book to know what Vikings were actually like would be The Age of the Vikings by Anders Winroth.

It's nice to know they didn't do this stuff. I think people need to know also pagan times doesn't mean golden ages though. A lot of people were not very spiritually advanced. So there have probably been instances where people did do really bad things. Not saying this one way or another here as I didn't do much research into it but you seem confident. The Yehuborim always like making up stories like this.

The thing I find interesting is I believe viking is my distant ancestry and I am very much a warrior spirit who does stand up to as much as possible in the physical too if people don't treat me right.

I think the Golden Age was further back, mainly involving the oldest civilisations we know (Egypt, Mesopotamia, India). I think it was around the time when Egypt was pre-dynastic, then the Old Kingdom, and possible the Middle Kingdom's time too. Similar timelines can be observed in the other cradles too, I bet.

I would dare to say the Norse, the Romans, the Druids/Celts, and the Greek were all already after the Golden Age. The Ancient Egyptians did look at all of them are nothing more than children. Romans were even lower in understanding than Druids, which is why they sent their priests there to study.

Yeah i'm of strong opinion that the golden age was around 10-15k years ago

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Vikings never raped anybody.

LOL. Cool it with the absolute statements. They make me lose interest in reading what else you'd want to say.

If you care nothing about history and do not want to learn anything, then do not read what I have wrote about history. In a topic of a culture that I have been actively researching for almost all of my life because the Vikings are my people and my heritage. Keep listening to worthless lies that were written by Yehuborim a thousand years after Viking society ended. I'm sure the Yehubor really tries to only tell the truth when it is slandering people. Even though all records contemporary with Viking society said exactly the opposite.

Actually, the entire idea of Vikings raping anybody can be traced back to one single person in one single christian monastery who wrote in a manuscript that this is something that happened. He wrote this about a thousand years after the Vikings lived. And every other person who has claimed that Vikings raped people trace back to this one single person as their entire "evidence." I wish I remembered the exact name of this person and the exact name of his monastery, but it was a couple years ago when I learned about him.

Just look how horribly the Yehuborim have slandered the Germans, and that was only a moment ago in history. There are still people living who experienced it and know the truth, and you still see how horrible the Yehubor slander is. But you can't imagine that a Yehubor who lived a thousand years after the Vikings would slander and lie about them?

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

I have to correct a number that I remembered wrong. The Yehuborim christian monk that was the first and only source to say that Vikings raped people was not about a thousand years after the Vikings. It was about 200 years after the Viking age ended.

https://ia803101.us.archive.org/7/items/thuleanperspective_201911/Varg%20Vikernes%20%28Thulean%20Perspective%29%20-%20About%20Vikings%20%26%20Rape.mp4

 

[Idyele]

Think about it this way, ask yourself would you do it? I can answer I would never do this under no circumstances. Never.

So, I believe if some Vikings did commit that they were not my blood. Certainly not. My blood is not Viking. It is Nordic but not Viking, just the people there which the Vikings attacked sometimes but not much, north of England.

There were many people, Vikings, Celts, Scots, Irish, Danes, English. The English are the people formed by the defeat of the Celts, in France, then they lost in England against the English which is a mix of old northern romans.

This is all explained in racial books. The Vikings just took the Gods from the people of the land. The true Odin/Satan are my people, as I am a witness and heir. My lineage was never mixed.

As things are already bad enough for the immigration, I find it totally self-destructive the behavior of having incendiary titles such as this tread. It is exactly a kite mentality to find the needle or the match to light up the whole castle and destroy from within. We must focus on now and on ourselves.

You could say a lot worst things about Nazi Germany, as there was imo very bad things but the main objective was clearly good, it just resulted in the NWO, the Bretton Wood, the Marshall plan, all this which is now going full blast on our destruction exactly as Hitler predicted would happen when the war is lost. Like whatever Germany did, it received 10 times more problems after up to now, we really were placed white men against white men in the hands of the Yehubor puppeteer. So please stop trying to find guilt, there is none to have, when one is pure. Assume the truth of existence and do like your ancestors to survive and have a family that is all.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

so are you saying Spain and muslim countries and Russia is mostly mixed with Yehubor DNA and i'm half Arab so are you saying i'm most likely Yehuborim....and are you saying most of the people of those populations are Yehuborim?

I'm not saying most. I'm saying a large number.

 

[au79ssaaoouunnyy79au]

Any answers please? Thank you.

That is False History. That never happened.. The enemy has many reliable ""Historians"". Who recieve their titles from these corrupted elder "Lodges". One is initiated by them, then they climb 33 steps. Once the 33 steps are achieved they are given the power and title to re-write their heavily distorted history as they please, for the unborn generations that follow.

 

[Daemontech [NG]]

There were 2 instances of human sacrifice and 2 or 3 random rapes or simply tormenting villagers while insinuating Bjorn or Harald took part in it.
People said here that The Last Kingdom was much better https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=195263#p195263
I'd like to know if anyone read the novels can tell they end on a positive note for the main character or Paganism in general.

Now one I know of is Assassin's Creed Valhalla is better than both in many aspects in depicting the Nordics and Pagan themes - in the background you have literal space travelling Alien Gods who appear in the Myths as their respective allegories, and you raid xtian monasteries to make a better Britain - the only problem is that the gameplay is extremely boring, I'd skip most of it if I could to get just the main story bits:

I typically despise Ubisoft, but if you truly think that Assassins' Creed Valhalla portrayed Norse Mythology in a good way, I might try it. I typically trust your opinion on media, Egon. We've talked about media several times.

 

[Egon]

I typically despise Ubisoft, but if you truly think that Assassins' Creed Valhalla portrayed Norse Mythology in a good way, I might try it. I typically trust your opinion on media, Egon. We've talked about media several times.

AC Valhalla is extremely boring don't waste your time with it or any Ubisoft game for that matter, watch some yt movie compilation if you want the part about the story. Still, the story isn't that good only the lore, xtianity being evil and such, but whatever there are better things about this out there or better media.

 

[serpentwalker666]

I typically despise Ubisoft, but if you truly think that Assassins' Creed Valhalla portrayed Norse Mythology in a good way, I might try it. I typically trust your opinion on media, Egon. We've talked about media several times.

Assassins Creed Odyssey had some fairly interesting plot choices and design decisions. Pythagoras with the staff of Hermes, immortality, the city of Atlantis and some other seeming subliminal nods made me feel someone who had a part in making those design choices was trying to leave a trail of truth here and there in the corrupted narrative of ancient history ubisoft often tries to employ.

Another thing, towards the end of the game and the ending, your character is seen holding the staff of hermes and has literal immortality.

I don't often pay to much attention to mainstream games, but when I played through Odyssey I definitely was surprised to find all of that.

Last thing I want to mention, I hold a major grudge towards ubisoft over what they did to Rayman. The creator seemed to get so depressed and fed up he left the game industry all together, they butchered his character.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Watch the show Vikings. Very good.

 

[Daemontech [NG]]

Watch the show Vikings. Very good.

Thanks, will do, the only reason I never did was that I automatically assumed the worst about it, seeing it being praised by this community props my hopes and expectations high.

 

[Soul Wings]

Watch the show Vikings. Very good.

Honestly after the first season I was less interested, but this show surprised me deeply. I thought the tone would be the whole "oh vikings were soooo violent and gory and killed soooo many xians". But in reality it was quite reverent to nature, their religion/magic, culture, knowledge, and for the most part presented them in quite a reasonable light. Any barbarity displayed would be equaled if not outdone by xians. In reality, the bigger picture here was that the strongest survives. And of course the culture with Satan will be leagues stronger :^)

I actually wondered if the show was accurate because it does have animal/human sacrifice and recreational drug use in it.
But this show was one of the first to make me realise how fucked the Russian Yehuborim (vikings) are. And how vikings bending over for xianity ("peace") instead of the gods were... alive... but completely absorbed culturally.

 

[Havoc]

Because the Gods are not feminists nor do they require you to treat enemies like your own kin, that is a Christian concept.

This sort of behavior would result in death if they tried to rape another man’s wife or daughter I’m not suggesting rape was legal in Pagan societies. On the contrary it was taken vary seriously much more then it is now for all the blubbering people do.

War brides were considered part of a solders pay for time immemorial the first line of the Iliad reads (They ran into the fields and shouted. “To war to war to every man a virgin wife.”)

 

[LoneWolf88]

It should be stated that the Gods do not control the behavior of the people. Just because someone "worships" one or more of our Gods doesn't guarantee that their behavior will be flawless.

There's responsibility to the responsible in Satanism. The Gods aren't responsible for what people who "worship" them do. Worshiping a being doesn't change your behavior, transforming your soul does. The average viking didn't have access to the spiritual knowledge that we have now. The only people at that time who had access to it were the priests and priestesses.

Questions like "why do the x people who worship the y god did z?" or "why does this person who worships (insert any Pagan God or Demon here) do that?" are so tiresome. People who ask them don't understand the basics of Satanism and expect it to be just like Christianity.