One of the clergy making a sermon about "certain" moderation changes, and then people's avatars and posts being removed without any explanation. Coincidence or something we all should be concerned about?
Is this something the Gods would approve?
Something to think about.
WHAT IS GOING ON??
1 min to readI don't decide the world, everyone. I decide on the Temple and the Gods for their sake, and yours as Zevists. As representator and guardian of the Community, I have to ensure safety, even when people might over-step on their own.
We live in a world where Meta can steal 80TB of people's data and works, and receive a slap in the wrist, while a poor person watching a movie online, can be called whatever.
That's the world, I did not make it. Injustice is prevailing in many areas.
With the above mindset, I cannot be blamed for the world we currently reside. You know personally, I am free speech absolutist. But you can see where we live. My opinion of the world, would be, except of explicit life threats and destructive things of the ultra caliber, everything would be allowed verbally. Only most serious deadly slander wouldn't be allowed; everything else people could talk openly about. As we can see, even in the West, much of it is a delusion.
That's another reason for the ToZ to evolve, so people can have more freedom than today. That's up to us. The game now is as is in the world.
OK, I'm going to say this and then put the matter to rest.
In all fairness, you can't expect people to come hear posting months-years, and then delete a huge portion of that without proper notice. Some might've been aware of what was happening and knew why - I didn't!I'm taking a leave of absence for a few weeks, but will still be keeping up my donations.
I wish everyone well, and will see you all again soon🙏
Posts were removed because they had no place in what the ToZ is or what the ToZ stands for...
If anyone is upset that material they liked is gone, that says more about what they were here for than it does about our moderation. We are not going to apologize for cleaning the house and keeping everyone safe here. We are not going to consult thousands of people before doing it again. And we are absolutely not going to leave material up that has no business being here, just because someone got attached to it being there...
What was removed was removed because it should never have been here in the first place. That is a failure we are correcting now. Nobody owes anyone advance notice for taking out content that disgraces the name of this Temple.
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I noticed that a recent post of mine was also removed. I don't agree with it personally, and i did write somethings that also deserved to be heard. I am all for the forum cleaning up, but not to the point of politically correct sensorship to where everyone is offended by everything
I don't decide the world, everyone. I decide on the Temple and the Gods for their sake, and yours as Zevists. As representator and guardian of the Community, I have to ensure safety, even when people might over-step on their own.
We live in a world where Meta can steal 80TB of people's data and works, and receive a slap in the wrist, while a poor person watching a movie online, can be called whatever.
That's the world, I did not make it. Injustice is prevailing in many areas.
I think the approach is the biggest issue here. Besides the post Alexandros had a more formal announcement saying “hey we are doing this for this reason and this isn’t allowed anymore for this reason.”
My life has been dramatically getting better doing the god rituals but having found this place as a teenager and having to hide it for more than a decade the changes are a huge shock to my ego. From the get go it did the one thing in a world full of lies, told the truth. What many have built as truth stemming from the knowledge here is being challenged and it’s a lot to handle at once.
Even in the face of great adversity, DEFY ALL ODDS
Those who will get it, will get it.
Those who don't, just meditate a bit upon the matter - think of the way certain past individuals were treated publicly.
People like the infamous ZLS and her fake digital "paintings", for example.
Think of how many times this has happened.
In today's world, in any physical environment, you don't get to treat people like that and just get away with it. It leads to serious consequences.
Adjusting to the world is a necessary evil if we want our Temple to survive and grow to have the means to elevate the Gods to the glory where they rightfully belong - and thus really prove ourselves.
It is not our Temple that is dark - it's the current world that is.
I hope posting this will not defeat the purpose. I just think sharing some of my thoughts can help people digest the matter more easily.
My profile picture is just fun artwork and not spiritually, historically or geographically accurate. Tigers are primarily from Asia, not Egypt.
Posts were removed because they had no place in what the ToZ is or what the ToZ stands for...
If anyone is upset that material they liked is gone, that says more about what they were here for than it does about our moderation. We are not going to apologize for cleaning the house and keeping everyone safe here. We are not going to consult thousands of people before doing it again. And we are absolutely not going to leave material up that has no business being here, just because someone got attached to it being there...
What was removed was removed because it should never have been here in the first place. That is a failure we are correcting now. Nobody owes anyone advance notice for taking out content that disgraces the name of this Temple.
What was removed was removed because it should never have been here in the first place.
I really wanted to take time out, mediate and reflect about the matter, but I'll be damned if I walk away with my tail between my legs when "people" are throwing hubris barbs in my direction.
I again repeat the question I asked of HPZM: what was wrong with my 3 posts on Saturday?
Furthermore, I respect your title [SG] and position in ToZ, and I'm sure you do great work for the Temple, but how often do you post in the main forum?
I'm only a newly made up member, but I have a place and worth, both here and with the Gods.
We are not mindless drones that go beep-beep and then hurry off to do the master's bidding. What's wrong with putting clear notice of these things in clergy sermons? I read the sermon by Priest Alexandros Iowno (Moderation), but it was too vague and didn't clearly explain the pending changes.
I've been heavily meditating lately, and I got the unmistakable impression that ToZ is on a slippery slope with these changes. I'm not saying it's going to happen now, but there will come a time with the current trend that members will start to become paranoid and start second guessing everything they post, until it gets to the stage when they simply will give up and stop posting - you see where I'm going with this?
I'm sorry if I opened a can of worms with my original post, but I truly believed I had just cause, and still do.
I really wanted to take time out, mediate and reflect about the matter, but I'll be damned if I walk away with my tail between my legs when "people" are throwing hubris barbs in my direction.
I again repeat the question I asked of HPZM: what was wrong with my 3 posts on Saturday?
Furthermore, I respect your title [SG] and position in ToZ, and I'm sure you do great work for the Temple, but how often do you post in the main forum?
I'm only a newly made up member, but I have a place and worth, both here and with the Gods.
We are not mindless drones that go beep-beep and then hurry off to do the master's bidding. What's wrong with putting clear notice of these things in clergy sermons? I read the sermon by Priest Alexandros Iowno (Moderation), but it was too vague and didn't clearly explain the pending changes.
Priest Alexandros already stated what was going to happen, and High Priest Zevios Metathronos is continuously writing in many posts that we need to uplift this place and remove dangerous content that will never allow the spread of the Temple in the real world.
I've been heavily meditating lately, and I got the unmistakable impression that ToZ is on a slippery slope with these changes. I'm not saying it's going to happen now, but there will come a time with the current trend that members will start to become paranoid and start second guessing everything they post, until it gets to the stage when they simply will give up and stop posting - you see where I'm going with this?
Let's all thank the Gods that now we have Heimdall, that meditate heavily and that has no doubts about the slipper slope ToZ is taking. I really wonder what the Clergy have been doing to not understand the critical implications of these changes. Quick, let's roll back everything and allow every trash content to be dumped in this Sacred Place.
I mean, do people really think that the Clergy, Moderators, and every soul that his helping in this cleanup is doing so only because they don't have anything else to do? We have members here that are putting their time every single day because they love the Gods and this Temple, which is the only place in this world where They are represented with sacredness and love.
Cleanup is happening, posts may be removed if the content is not fit. There's nothing else to explain.
There are many forums out there if people want to talk about everything without filters. Go to Reddit.
This place is for those who seek spiritual evolution and connection with the Gods.
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Priest Alexandros already stated what was going to happen, and High Priest Zevios Metathronos is continuously writing in many posts that we need to uplift this place and remove dangerous content that will never allow the spread of the Temple in the real world.
Let's all thank the Gods that now we have Heimdall, that meditate heavily and that has no doubts about the slipper slope ToZ is taking. I really wonder what the Clergy have been doing to not understand the critical implications of these changes. Quick, let's roll back everything and allow every trash content to be dumped in this Sacred Place.
I mean, do people really think that the Clergy, Moderators, and every soul that his helping in this cleanup is doing so only because they don't have anything else to do? We have members here that are putting their time every single day because they love the Gods and this Temple, which is the only place in this world where They are represented with sacredness and love.
To prevent people from second guessing if their post is allowed or not, a list could be made that says what is or is not allowed to be posted. Most forums have these rules on their homepage. It gives clarity on what can be said and what cannot.
Priest Alexandros already stated what was going to happen, and High Priest Zevios Metathronos is continuously writing in many posts that we need to uplift this place and remove dangerous content that will never allow the spread of the Temple in the real world.
Let's all thank the Gods that now we have Heimdall, that meditate heavily and that has no doubts about the slipper slope ToZ is taking. I really wonder what the Clergy have been doing to not understand the critical implications of these changes. Quick, let's roll back everything and allow every trash content to be dumped in this Sacred Place.
I mean, do people really think that the Clergy, Moderators, and every soul that his helping in this cleanup is doing so only because they don't have anything else to do? We have members here that are putting their time every single day because they love the Gods and this Temple, which is the only place in this world where They are represented with sacredness and love.
Wow, that's the best example of circumlocution I've seen in some time - answer the question!
...you must've been a politician in a previous life😂🤣
I really wanted to take time out, mediate and reflect about the matter, but I'll be damned if I walk away with my tail between my legs when "people" are throwing hubris barbs in my direction.
I again repeat the question I asked of HPZM: what was wrong with my 3 posts on Saturday?
Furthermore, I respect your title [SG] and position in ToZ, and I'm sure you do great work for the Temple, but how often do you post in the main forum?
I'm only a newly made up member, but I have a place and worth, both here and with the Gods.
We are not mindless drones that go beep-beep and then hurry off to do the master's bidding. What's wrong with putting clear notice of these things in clergy sermons? I read the sermon by Priest Alexandros Iowno (Moderation), but it was too vague and didn't clearly explain the pending changes.
I've been heavily meditating lately, and I got the unmistakable impression that ToZ is on a slippery slope with these changes. I'm not saying it's going to happen now, but there will come a time with the current trend that members will start to become paranoid and start second guessing everything they post, until it gets to the stage when they simply will give up and stop posting - you see where I'm going with this?I'm sorry if I opened a can of worms with my original post, but I truly believed I had just cause, and still do.
I have answered the question on the chat saturday. There was an update to the forum, many messages that were written on this day, were delete. It happen before and will happen each time the forum will get updated.
It happens before, Priest wrote a message that some message would be deleted due the update, it was your case.
I personally think that a lot of people's sensitivity regarding this issue stems from our social backgrounds. Many of us were previously excluded by "mainstream" people and were talked over/put down because our ideas didn't perfectly sync with social norms. Just keep in mind that this is not your past. This isn't about putting people down on the basis of social norms. On the contrary, it's a constructive thing, done lovingly in the service of a broader goal, so that our spiritual message may be better heard and our voice may grow.
My life has been dramatically getting better doing the god rituals but having found this place as a teenager and having to hide it for more than a decade the changes are a huge shock to my ego. From the get go it did the one thing in a world full of lies, told the truth. What many have built as truth stemming from the knowledge here is being challenged and it’s a lot to handle at once.
Expressing like animals doesn't mean one says the truth; it means on the contrary, one cannot even manage their own expression.
Saying "fuck this, fuck that, vermin pope" and related, is not more truthful than saying something in proper language. One could say insidious.
Have to hide what, the Gods? Why should the Gods hide? This is the ultimate false admission of evil and failure; it's the work of the enemy that the Gods were to be misperceived. All their campaign was to misperceive the Gods, keep them out of society, and pretend all their believers were insane and/or to be socially ostracized, while the Bible which preaches genocidal mania, is actually a "Good book that deserves everyone's attention".
The persecution of the Gods was the creation of those against them, should people behave in ways that adopt and further this persecution? That's doing the enemy's work for them.
I personally think that a lot of people's sensitivity regarding this issue stems from our social backgrounds. Many of us were previously excluded by "mainstream" people and were talked over/put down because our ideas didn't perfectly sync with social norms. Just keep in mind that this is not your past. This isn't about putting people down on the basis of social norms. On the contrary, it's a constructive thing, done lovingly in the service of a broader goal, so that our spiritual message may be better heard and our voice may grow.
Practically speaking, there's no change in that people can make themselves outcasted if they want. Now, people are more unique than before. Of lesser people, the planet is rife; people can stand out in more fruitful ways now than before.
That's only for emo reasons and not even real. For one to bring the Gods into persecution and persecution supported narratives, and simultaneously say they want them to be where they deserve, is antithetical.
To be irrelevant and to not exist, does not equal in any progress. Truth is not validated simply because people dislike someone or because one is marginalized and emo, that doesn't make someone more real, it makes someone more distanced from the Gods, and the Gods more distanced even from mankind.
if their post is allowed or not, a list could be made that says what is or is not allowed to be posted. Most forums have these rules on their homepage.
@Heimdall I was once kicked out from a gaming forum for violating some rules - got overzealous as the devs were promising tons, but delivering nothing.
In an official mail they quoted tons of rules and wrote explanations as to why they are perma-banning me.
After reading some of them, I simply skimmed the remaining 70% as they were IRRELEVANT ('thou shalt not question devs thy gods'). I got perma-banned, so who cares (and it was a GAMING forum, so that's even better - bye bye needless drama).
What I'm saying is - you might not even bother reading the rules, as many of us here don't. We just click "Accept" and we're in. Also, the said gaming forum employs people, i.e. they are paid to moderate forums. Here, we pay with our time and dedication.
Check those ToZ rules - maybe you yourself will find the illumination you're looking for.
00) "dubito, ergo cogito" - Rene Descartes. Doubt, but think. And do research
0) If you seek validation of your delusions - you won't find it here.
1) "I believe that XYZ." - Irrelevant. Study https://templeofzeus.org/ and KNOW. Slaves believe - they don't know.
2) 'xianity', not 'xtianity' - 'christ' = x, not 'chris', AND "Gods", not "God's", "chakras" not "chakra's" if plural.
3) If someone appears to be new, it doesn't mean they have no agenda. Slander veiled as an 'innocent' question, or 'just my opinion' is still slander.
4) Look how beautiful and logical the bible / quran is!
5) Trolls think they can't be exposed - those idiots expose themselves. Another name of Zeus is Satya - Truth
6) serpentwalker666's post from 22.02.25: "People be like... "We want Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece, Ancient Babylon again" / *Joy of Satanas becomes the Temple of Zeus and starts to expand and take on the endeavor of the ancient restoration of the full spectrum of knowledge and divine culture of the gods* / People be like: "Wait what are you doing?" / Us: "Isn't this what the goal was all along?""
-ask yourself: if you find the above weird, doesn't it mean you have got stuck too much in the cults of yehubor?
Wow, that's the best example of circumlocution I've seen in some time - answer the question!
The only communities online where you can say all the negative things, are either honeypots like 4chan or related trash communities.
I really wanted to take time out, mediate and reflect about the matter, but I'll be damned if I walk away with my tail between my legs when "people" are throwing hubris barbs in my direction.
I again repeat the question I asked of HPZM: what was wrong with my 3 posts on Saturday?
Furthermore, I respect your title [SG] and position in ToZ, and I'm sure you do great work for the Temple, but how often do you post in the main forum?
I'm only a newly made up member, but I have a place and worth, both here and with the Gods.
Hubris means to disrespect the Gods and to experience Nemesis as a result. To disagree with you, is not hubris, you just perceive it as such because of over-reaching egoism.
If you are a new member, the complaints and what you consider a "crisis", cannot be valued as a crisis. There's no criteria for one to logically evaluate a crisis or whatever "serious offense" if there isn't one.
Further, undermining of one's self and public identity, happens strongly when one doesn't give a thought to their own words. When this moves past a point and enters the sphere where what one says, can be harmful to the Temple, it's not allowed.
Not even in MacDonalds one is allowed to have tantrums where people had here, of all places, in the Temple. Even MacDonalds if you go around and you harass people and/or issue empty threats and say whatever, they can get you out. Such tantrums and statements would get you kicked and/or restrained in MacDonalds and the security would escort you out. In the case of the Temple, it's apparently at least a few layers above MacDonalds.
If people want to treat this place like MacDonalds or something similar, the Temple should no longer bear injury by this and/or tolerate it. One shouldn't even tolerate this for themselves. Yet while the pseudo-anonymity helps many of you have the delusion of freedom, the face of the Temple is real, and as one must not stain the Gods, they cannot stain the Temple's reputation.
Your rights to freedom of expression in public places also have to do with the rights of expressions of others. Even in the United States if you go around telling every passer-by "fuck you", issuing threats, and overall doing certain wrongful applications of "Free Speech", there are penalties involved.
If the Temple cannot express itself and/or exist, because someone just considers their "Individual freedom" (aka vehement posting) as above the freedom of the Gods to exist, or the Temple's reputation, they should leave the asinine argumentation about "The Gods" to the side. This involves only one's ego and not the Gods or the collective efforts.
If people can't comprehend they can't treat this place lesser than MacDonalds and launch internal reputation and/or other attacks to the Temple which reflect upon the Gods, through wrongfully positioned approaches, one must return to the basics of respecting the Gods and their House, and leave the larger "Free Speech Charter" for later empty argumentation.
Would you swear and use foul and abusive language in the pressence of your grandparents? I would certainly hope not!
So why speak like that in the House of The Gods on Earth?
This update is very important, and I highly appreciate the Clergy taking the time to protect not only the Temple of the Gods but all the members from ill-will.
This update further proves that this isn't just another religious website, but a strong community with deep reverence and respect for one another. We must all move past limiting connections such as politics and ideologies that do us no good in truly bringing the Gods to their glory.
Thank you to the clergy and all the working members who made this update happen, HAIL ZEUS!
⚡One is free to listen, or not to listen. To apply knowledge, or not to apply it.- Zeus (Virtue - Freedom) ⚡
HAIL ZEUS & THE GODS 🪷
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It's actually remarkable how many times the High Priest is willing to repeat himself. The ToZ is elevating its standards, that's It, it's not a big deal. He's obviously not going to explain every deleted post one by one because that's just insane. Personally i probably wrote a LOT of stupid things.. anyway i'm just glad this place even exists. Cheers!
Posts were removed because they had no place in what the ToZ is or what the ToZ stands for...
If anyone is upset that material they liked is gone, that says more about what they were here for than it does about our moderation. We are not going to apologize for cleaning the house and keeping everyone safe here. We are not going to consult thousands of people before doing it again. And we are absolutely not going to leave material up that has no business being here, just because someone got attached to it being there...
What was removed was removed because it should never have been here in the first place. That is a failure we are correcting now. Nobody owes anyone advance notice for taking out content that disgraces the name of this Temple.
Personally, I'm very glad that all those toxic posts I wrote between 2021 and 2024 have been deleted. They were just tantrums venting right after ending a bad relationship. All of that is contrary to how a dedicated Zevist should behave in the forums.
Expressing like animals doesn't mean one says the truth; it means on the contrary, one cannot even manage their own expression.
Saying "fuck this, fuck that, vermin pope" and related, is not more truthful than saying something in proper language. One could say insidious.
Have to hide what, the Gods? Why should the Gods hide? This is the ultimate false admission of evil and failure; it's the work of the enemy that the Gods were to be misperceived. All their campaign was to misperceive the Gods, keep them out of society, and pretend all their believers were insane and/or to be socially ostracized, while the Bible which preaches genocidal mania, is actually a "Good book that deserves everyone's attention".
I understand what you are saying but do you understand why others have reacted and felt a certain way? I was only trying to explain that. It was not to say “clergy bad, idiots should be allowed to say whatever dumb thought they have without any reflection or consequence.” My intention was only to help explain the feelings of others.
And most of us will still have to hide our spiritual beliefs/not discuss it. Unless others are already into some spirituality. The general populace is so numb, cut off, and brainwashed it is beyond frustrating that it is difficult to share something that could enrich their lives. I will never admit defeat but my hope for the future is slim and relies mostly on raising a new generation on Zevist beliefs and ethics.
Even in the face of great adversity, DEFY ALL ODDS