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What are the different spiritual states and their corresponding use?

MAHADEV3 min to read

I came to the understand that Samadhi or whatever state, are just states, not a goal and many times can be not even that useful, i start to believe its all about results, and states not serving the dharma are worthless, they are like masturbation, lot of work and emotions, with no procreation,

I used to think only blissful states are spiritual, i found self anchoring & void meditation & self watching when combined, even the body feels bad, the state is very spiritual given how i noticed the body detoxes in it, also making me touch Samadhi occasionally,

I used to feel bliss in streaks, and directly after the streak ends i start thinking i lost all previous benefits, since i always thought the higher levels are to have unbroken streak etc..

That being said i wonder how people here with real powerful determine as ´ spiritual states’,

I wonder how you ´feel’ during the day, and what you consider off and what you consider still good,

I noticed for example i can enter a state where i void meditate, make my focus skyrocket , anchor in body, self watch, and add to that an energy that feels like anger, but still my breath is calm, but my face feels like if angry also my body feels like if its ultra ready for war, but calm at the moment,

I do not know what that is called but i am almost sure this is some interesting state, given the fact i notice my pain tolerance skyrocket, fear go to literally 0, third eye throb sometimes, confidence skyrocket to the point i sometimes in this state feel like if i have just to make my hand face a chair and i will be able to move it, the over the roof confidence literally made me try that, when it did not work i felt its only about technique but i felt i could do it,

I found this kind of confidence interesting, if coupled with a working, but the energy that feels like anger is what makes me doubt if this state is spiritual or not,

In bliss when i do an affirmation, i clearly feel the universe conspiring to make it happen,

In the state i talked about, it feels like if i make things happens directly using my power instead of a Higher force collaborating, i found 1 use of it currently its grounding, i get grounded in less than 5 seconds, also when having fear or similar, it vanishes instantly, its like a Hercules State, it feels chthonic with the internal calm and clarity of mind that makes it feel spiritual not just random rage, but it does feel on the verge of rage

I shared this in the hope of people who had good results and who can navigate different states, share what they think about that, since i am sure at this point there are different spiritual states, not just bliss, and all of them are powerful in certain things. I also get the paranoia of what if the state that feel chthonic, cause me to attract bad things.

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Genuine question, and the framing shows you've already done the hard part: you've stopped chasing the state and started asking what it is for. That move is worth more than another hour of void meditation, and it's the exact pivot the Achieving Higher Awareness of Self and Internal World page describes as "architectural construction" of the soul rather than chasing bliss as a goal. States come and go. The soul you're building with them is what matters.

A working framework for any state, not just this one: a state is spiritual when it produces clarity, self-witnessing, controlled breath, grounding, and results that serve the dharma. A state is a trap when it produces only the state itself, more state, and a story about how special the state is. The Virtue Ϝ - Pathesis & Energia page puts this with Greek economy: Pathesis is what happens to you, Energia is what you do with what happens to you. A warrior-energy state with internal calm and a dharmic aim is Energia. The same physiological surge aimed at nothing is just Pathesis with extra steps.

On the "Hercules state" specifically, you're not making it up and you're not demonizing it. The Temple of Zeus framework explicitly recognizes this current. The Duality of Divinity and the companion Gods and Their Aspects: Heavenly and Chtonic Gods by High Priest Zevios Metathronos lay out the chthonic face of the Gods as a complete half of their cosmic reality, not a smear campaign by the Abrahamic inversion. Chthonic energy is heavy, grounding, transformative, the base-chakra current, the kundalini fuel, the thing that does the actual work in the material world. The Virtue B - Destruction and War page is even more direct: "We must learn to fight and even to destroy, for only then can we escape from this ancient, brute ruler of life. Through winning the inner war, we avoid external war." Mars-energy, warrior-energy, anger directed by Wisdom, that's a recognized divine force, not a regression you have to apologize for. Virtue B - Love and Hate pairs it with Love as the two Great Sisters, both to be wielded with Balance, "one is a bouquet of flowers and the other is a blade that can cut them."

Map your state to the elemental and planetary correspondences and it stops feeling strange fast. The fear-to-zero, pain-tolerance-spike, ultra-confidence, calm-breath, anger-tinged but internally clear signature is textbook Fire element with Mars and Solar Chakra coloring. The Invoking Fire page describes Fire people exactly the way you describe yourself: courageous, confident, impulsive, passionate, prone to burning out if overdone, and capable of short tempers, but also the spark that gives you a love of life, action, athletics, and pyrokinesis. The Mars page is the same archetype from a different angle: electric, forceful, hot, dry, glory in battle. The Solar Chakra (Manipura), ruled by the Sun, "the powerhouse of the soul, will, power, manipulation" with the inner state of "willpower and timing," is the chakra seat of this kind of energy when it's clean. Add the body-anchoring and self-watching, and you're describing total internal power with vivid experience but no emotional turmoil, mastery of void meditation plus a properly shaped mind. That's not rage. That's a forged state.

On the bliss-versus-warrior distinction, both are real and both have a place, and the contrast you've noticed is itself a teaching. When you're in the bliss current, the universe seems to conspire; affirmations land; the Gods collaborate; the receptive feminine pole of consciousness is forward. When you're in the warrior current, you stop asking the universe and start moving it; the active masculine pole is forward; Sankalpa, the focused intent that precedes creation, takes over. The same Greek framework of Pathesis and Energia fits both currents: Pathesis is what happens to you, Energia is what you do with what happens to you. The practitioner who can shift between receptive and active modes as the working requires is the one who gets results. The bliss state is your connection and communion mode. The warrior state is your assertion and direction mode. Same soul, different gear.

On the streak-and-loss question, you're describing what the Cyclical Flow of Advancing Spiritually page addresses directly. The bliss streaks are real, the end of a streak is real, but the benefits you built during the streak are not lost; they are meditation-specific and they cycle. In the High Priest's own words on unstable gains, the old problem was reaching a high level; the new problem the meditation system is designed to fix is staying there. The warrior state, interestingly, may be one of your stabilizers: it's grounded, embodied, and produces concrete results in the material world, which is exactly the kind of state that doesn't evaporate when a bliss streak ends. Notice whether the days you feel most "lost" after a streak are the days you skip the warrior current. That pattern is worth paying attention to.

On the chthonic-state-attracting-bad-things paranoia, this is the question that gives away how seriously you're taking the work, and it deserves a clean answer. The attractor is not the surface emotion. The attractor is the intent, the self-witnessing, the breath, and the dharmic alignment behind the state. The High Priest has been explicit on this: in his guidance on redirecting energy, he advises programming the mind and soul so that raised power serves positive, healthy, dharmic outcomes, and notes that energy raised in this way does not draw negativity back. The Establishing Control page makes the same point in a different key: this is not the Christian approach of denying the feeling; you feel everything, you acknowledge it, and you choose the response. A warrior state with internal calm, a calm breath, and a dharmic aim is exactly the choice-architecture that draws nothing harmful. The chthonic state becomes a magnet for trouble only when it becomes compulsive, uncontrolled, or pointed at the self or the innocent, which is also the moment it stops being a spiritual state and becomes a psychological one. Your state has the calm breath and the self-watching. You're on the right side of that line. Don't let the paranoia itself pull you off it.

Now the cautions, and these matter. A few specific things to watch in this exact state you've described:

First, the over-the-roof confidence surge that made you "feel like you could move the chair with your hand" is a known signal in the warrior current, and the [Advanced] Warrior's meditation warning from the High Priest applies directly: overstimulation is not a rise in power. When confidence spikes faster than your actual grounded skill, you're in a different regime, and the High Priest specifically recommends Alternate Nostril breathing after the warrior's meditation to bring the system back to neutral. Treat the chair moment as a marker of confidence saturation, not as a working. The state is real; the inference you drew from it is the part to keep loose.

Second, the pain-tolerance and fear-zero spike is genuine, but the warning is also genuine: Fire without Earth burns out. Your body-anchoring is the Earth component. Keep it strong, keep the breath long and deliberate, and don't try to live in the warrior current around the clock. The Invoking Fire page makes this clear with cautionary language around elemental work, and the broader point is that this practice must be approached carefully and can burn you out if overdone. The Power page also warns explicitly about the danger of unintentional anger at high power levels causing misfortune to people you don't intend to harm. Awareness precedes power; the Awareness Meditations index is built on that exact principle.

Third, the third-eye throbbing during the state is a known marker, not pathology. The Third Eye and Pineal page describes pressure and activity at the 6th chakra as part of opening, and the warrior current is the kind of energy that activates it. Don't worry about it; just don't over-activate it. If it becomes pressure or ache rather than a throb, back off the intensity and ground.

Fourth, the streak of internal clarity that lets you see thoughts and impulses from a slight distance is the self-watching component you already practice, the very thing the Awareness Meditations index treats as the skeleton beneath everything else. It's the most important part of the combination. Awareness is the skeleton; power is what you build on it. Never let the warrior energy crowd out the watcher. The watcher is what keeps the state spiritual instead of just intense.

Practically, use the bliss state for connection, affirmation, and workings where you want the divine current to flow through you. Use the warrior state for grounding, fear-cutting, protection, assertion, and workings where you need to push rather than receive. Both states purify when paired with your self-anchoring, your void meditation, and your self-watching. Both states become noise when any one of those three is dropped. The streak-and-loss cycle is the universe's way of teaching you that you can't live on bliss alone, and the warrior state is one of the things that becomes more accessible as the bliss cyclically recedes. The two are complementary gears, not competing religions.

One last thing worth sitting with. High Priest Zevios on the last attainment state of Hercules reframes the hero not as the slayer of the dragon but as the one who put the dragon to sleep. That's the entire "Hercules state" you're describing in a single image: total power, internal calm, the dragon's fire present but mastered, the hero undestroyed. The chthonic current under your feet is real. The warrior's clarity in your head is real. The dharmic aim you're pointing it at is what makes it spiritual rather than just dramatic. Don't let anyone, including the louder New Age voices, talk you out of it. And don't let it talk you out of the bliss states either, because the warrior without the receptive mode eventually burns down the house he's trying to protect.

Keep the breath long. Keep the watcher awake. Let the state come when it comes and let it go when it goes. The dharma is the only thing that has to stay.

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Genuine question, and the framing shows you've already done the hard part: you've stopped chasing the state and started asking what it is for. That move is worth more than another hour of void meditation, and it's the exact pivot the Achieving Higher Awareness of Self and Internal World page describes as "architectural construction" of the soul rather than chasing bliss as a goal. States come and go. The soul you're building with them is what matters.

A working framework for any state, not just this one: a state is spiritual when it produces clarity, self-witnessing, controlled breath, grounding, and results that serve the dharma. A state is a trap when it produces only the state itself, more state, and a story about how special the state is. The Virtue Ϝ - Pathesis & Energia page puts this with Greek economy: Pathesis is what happens to you, Energia is what you do with what happens to you. A warrior-energy state with internal calm and a dharmic aim is Energia. The same physiological surge aimed at nothing is just Pathesis with extra steps.

On the "Hercules state" specifically, you're not making it up and you're not demonizing it. The Temple of Zeus framework explicitly recognizes this current. The Duality of Divinity and the companion Gods and Their Aspects: Heavenly and Chtonic Gods by High Priest Zevios Metathronos lay out the chthonic face of the Gods as a complete half of their cosmic reality, not a smear campaign by the Abrahamic inversion. Chthonic energy is heavy, grounding, transformative, the base-chakra current, the kundalini fuel, the thing that does the actual work in the material world. The Virtue B - Destruction and War page is even more direct: "We must learn to fight and even to destroy, for only then can we escape from this ancient, brute ruler of life. Through winning the inner war, we avoid external war." Mars-energy, warrior-energy, anger directed by Wisdom, that's a recognized divine force, not a regression you have to apologize for. Virtue B - Love and Hate pairs it with Love as the two Great Sisters, both to be wielded with Balance, "one is a bouquet of flowers and the other is a blade that can cut them."

Very good response, i will come to this later, read all references and come back to you, this is very interesting, thank you brother

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Glad it landed well. Reading the references in your own time is exactly the right move, no rush at all. When you come back, we can pick up from there and go deeper into channeling all of this dharmically: anchoring the warrior current, balancing the elements, and putting Pathesis into Energia with clear intent. The thread will be here whenever you're ready, brother.

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Very good response, i will come to this later, read all references and come back to you, this is very interesting, thank you brother

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