The trap of untrapping / helping the jesus-way(suffering)

[Goldenwings]

I just broke free from that trap, trying to free the one who keeps making the trap and trapping himself is a waste of time and energy, i think this goes under freedom of choice and everyone should be let at peace even the one refusing to break free

This is the same when it comes to taking blame when some people you care about choose to fall and go lower in consciousness , sometimes they are chosing it and you cant help, you can of course try to trigger their rise , but it should be done with detachment , if you keep emotionally involved with everyone you care about and who is descending by choice, they will just drag you lower , and you wont be able to help him nor yourself, this is same as " put your mask first"

This applies also in viewing the people of your race or country and emotionally taking responsability for the level they are in, you will just turn from radiating in gold light to gray because of taking all the blame ( being emotionally involved is same as taking the blame)

Same for compassion/ empathy , i dont remember definition, but one is done with emotions and the other without emotions, the one without emotions is how one should engage with people who are in a hardship, otherwise you will drag yourself lower energetically, and you may not help him properly

Note: i am not against helping people, whole idea is helping or/and having a cause without feeling a negative charge to it daily or carrying it with you on a daily basis. Its better to help while feeling what you want to feel, not what the outsider feels or what a system from without wants you to feel

The action of help, doesnt require feeling what the one who needs help feels

Also the help usually should be correlated to the level of consciousness the one you want to help is in, for example i know muslims at the verge of quitting i can tell them that quran is bullshit without any problem , but the ones who are deeply in islam, i cant go that far with them, i make them instead develop correct ways of thinking and analysing , which will by consequence lead them to question islam

 

[wotan namah]

If you want to help someone or reveal stuff to them you first should be able to tell their energy or even look at their soul. That way you can tell if they are too far in or still somewhat positive. I think it's dangerous or a waste of time if they are too far in but some people are open. If you can ask your GD if the person is open enough to do so. Many times it's a waste of time. If their energy isn't too far bad you can start to cleanse them and this may slowly open them up as you do so. You can also use runes to free them from the program they are in. Example ansuz and uruz and affermation like " (name of person) completely and totally rejects Islam or Christianity" or you can also put at the end Mohammad or Jesus. Stuff like that can help. Some people though are so far gone it's not worth the effort.

 

[SrivatsaKouros]

A piece of advice that always stuck with me is: Do not try to help those who never try to help themselves.

 

[Goldenwings]

If you want to help someone or reveal stuff to them you first should be able to tell their energy or even look at their soul. That way you can tell if they are too far in or still somewhat positive. I think it's dangerous or a waste of time if they are too far in but some people are open. If you can ask your GD if the person is open enough to do so. Many times it's a waste of time. If their energy isn't too far bad you can start to cleanse them and this may slowly open them up as you do so. You can also use runes to free them from the program they are in. Example ansuz and uruz and affermation like " (name of person) completely and totally rejects Islam or Christianity" or you can also put at the end Mohammad or Jesus. Stuff like that can help. Some people though are so far gone it's not worth the effort.

Thank you for your comment, so true, the only 2 people i made quit islam, even if it was hard, they were already very open, one when i told him man we have been fooled this is bs he laughed even if he was muslim, he was very open, and he did quit, so its true its clear when someone is ready

Concerning runes and GD i didnt even dedicate yet im waiting for a post approval, to know whats better 4inche or 8inche candles, then order them ,i have just found them

 

[Goldenwings]

A piece of advice that always stuck with me is: Do not try to help those who never try to help themselves.

Thanks for your reply, so accurate

 

[wotan namah]

Thank you for your comment, so true, the only 2 people i made quit islam, even if it was hard, they were already very open, one when i told him man we have been fooled this is bs he laughed even if he was muslim, he was very open, and he did quit, so its true its clear when someone is ready

Concerning runes and GD i didnt even dedicate yet im waiting for a post approval, to know whats better 4inche or 8inche candles, then order them ,i have just found them

I used the small candles I found at a new age store. It had black in it I am replying to your other post here. I also if I remember right used a red small one. I got a holder for it. Don't do the whole ritual inside. It's best to burn the paper outside even if you do the ritual inside. I think a pin is the best way to draw blood on your finger just keep poking till you do. I think the blood is one of the most important parts in the ritual as it contains your DNA. I myself burned the carpet in my closet. Doing the burning the paper thing and the house was filled with smoke. I had a pentagram up on the wall in the background. I was a teen at the time and still living with my parents they didn't like it especially when they saw the "curse symbol" as they called it (the pentagram) so be careful if you live with someone.

Good luck i think after you dedicate you will feel a calm and familiar energy if you have been with Zeus in a past life. Like I did or feel a very positive energy during it. You will not experience anything scary. I think you will actually like it if one of the God's comes to you anyways they are very nice and understanding they know what to do not to scare you and you likely wont hear much anyways but you will feel their beautiful energy and maybe get flashes of them in your third eye from what i have gathered about your current level by reading your other posts.

Welcome to the family

Hail Zeus.

 

[OuroborphicMystery]

Helping people can be likened to magick: With some magick, you invoke the energies and with others, you absolutely do not and simply evoke instead. Helping people should be evocation. You can certainly exert yourself to a degree you see fit and does not drain you or detract from your self-growth, but you can't be putting yourself in there, or engaging in deep energetic exchange with the person/problem. You don't want to take any of that filth into yourself. Also, everything has to be within reason. There is no such thing as free lunch in this world and even the Gods don't give Their followers freebies. And, we certainly are not the Gods and don't have Their resources yet, so where would we get off "helping" other people to the point of exhaustion? Besides, that's not true help anyway and you know it.

In short, listen to Lord Apollo: Nothing in excess.