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The Emptiness of Knowledge

AvatarHigh Priest Zevios Metathronos3 min to read

Spiritual awareness is like a ladder of consciousness. People understand more as they climb higher, and less in the bottom.

Over the years it has become exceedingly difficult to unite the higher end of the ladder with the lower end of the ladder, even in this forum.

You don't understand? Well spend 5 years of consistent meditation, and grow your mind, and go outside in an attempt to "explain" things to the "common person".

This is identical to how one who is really working with let's say, the fire element, on a major level of adepthood, understands what the Fire element is for real. But the person who does not have any such level attained, sees all knowledge as empty: Nihilo Ex Nihilo.

The nihilistic state of consciousness is a stage where reception of information is very low. In this case the practitioner also believes that their problem is lack of further information, instead of the size of their own ears. This builds on the assumed fallacy that other individuals are the reason of one's inner state of ex nihilo.

This makes a lot of people demand more and more knowledge, sort of how a depressed person requires more and more stimulus for dopamine, but primarily their issue is their depression and not the lack of dopamine per se or the stimulus, but rather an internal lack of function over the situation.

It becomes also structurally impossible to explain specific matters because the ladder is rather long. Indeed, by the time one has explained something that may hold a hundreds of karats of wisdom, it may not even be received, because there is no ear.

The level of knowledge absorption one has, is not reliable to solely external information, but also internal information. All the lines written in this topic will mean nothing to those who have not walked miles away to understand them, and will ring very hard to those who are looking past the hill.

When I was around 5 years old, I was growing with my mother reading me the myths of the "Titanomachy" and the Olympian myths. It didn't make any sense to me but it was fun.

Today the same myth read makes me wonder how it is even possible that something with so profound knowledge is even allowed to exist in this world. The very obvious answer to me now is that because the Gods are powerful.

Indeed the exposure to the very same information, is only partial. The other important end is the receiving end, ie, the listener. We live in an era where listening is very low, and therefore, the transmission of information can only be equally low.

The meaning of the ToZ is to help you get out of this loop of inferior existing. But this doesn't happen, in contrast to claims, solely by meditation. Practical reconsideration of the self, and opening up to reality is required. I have tried to accelerate this in the hopes that in the future there will be a better level of listening.

Many people also seem to have complained before about the Gods not communicating. I have found this in my own life to be errant, and more oftentimes than not, the listeners are one the wrong side of things, and not the Gods.

For how much wisdom has passed you by without understanding it, and how much more will? But the good news is, we do have all the time we need.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

#60

I need a simple method

#61

A simple ritual, i don't know

#62
Francesco92said:

A simple ritual, i don't know

If you're not dedicated nor are you here to learn but are here with the idea that Satanism is for quick and easy gains then I'd just avoid it.

I am reaching towards a green apple.

#63
Francesco92said:

A simple ritual, i don't know

Hey, look... we just gave you all you need. The simplest way to contact demons is to focus on their sigil and talk to them, but if you are not dedicated this may not work, and if you are, you will most likely hear nothing, even if the demon hears you. There are certain steps one has to take before in order to be able to contact a demon, or to receive answers from that demon, and this does not come overnight. I asked you if you're dedicated and you completely ignored that, it is the first step if you're serious about contacting one of our Gods. Take your time and read and if you have any more questions, ask.

HAIL ZEUS!

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#64

I'm dedicated please help me

#65

I did the dedication ritual years ago

#68
GD.said:

here is how I do not struggle with sleep at all: when I put myself to bed I am saying that "I now put myself to sleep" or something similar a few times then I do void meditation. I think may be of help, no matter the orientation of your body when you sleep, or the bed you sleep in.

Sister, you're freaking amazing. XD

I tried your trick last night and my sleep felt very different. I cleaned up any previous energy from the place I sleep in, then decided I'm putting myself to sleep as you said, and used Void to slow myself down.

I realized my usual sleep entrance is very similar to simply losing consciousness and falling into some unknown place, but THIS time my entry felt much more like a "controlled rope descent".
For the first maybe 3 hours (as I went to sleep past 1am.. watched old Chinese kung fu movies :lol: ) I only slept without any dream (OR that's the phase they say dreams usually aren't recalled). I'm almost sure I "must have dreamt of something" but when I woke up around 4:30am I couldn't remember shit. The cool part came later, when I did this again and mentally stated where I wanted to go in the dream, in order to make it manifest easier I guess.
The "where" didn't seem to work but I did get to meet some Succubi that felt like a real being (the romantic type, not the sex one) and I felt honestly loved. I can't be too sure after one successful session but I think I met her before, or the archetype I'm looking for is really similar.

Woke up two hours later (I checked the clock to keep an eye on the dream's duration and sleep patterns) and realized that I dreamt a lot of "time" for only two hours of sleep.

I tried this one more time but didn't dream or I don't remember what it was about.
I'm thinking I might use some suggestions about "how to trigger lucid dreams" I read about, one about setting your alarm clock and waking up at specific intervals to trigger lucidity (the WBTB one, for "Wake Back To Bed") as it seems the case in the one I pulled last night.

...Actually, I just remembered I did something similar when I was a child and trying to control my dreams (before I heard lucid dreaming was something people could do) and a few times it worked but I didn't control this well.
Thanks to you, I feel like I can manage this now. :)

I've got to say, dear Sister, I think you've been sent by our Gods and Goddesses! :lol: You've been nothing but a blessing, I feel I'm making constant progress. I'm really glad you're here.

HAIL ZEUS FOREVER!

#69

Void meditation?

#70
Francesco92said:

I'm dedicated please help me

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#71
GD.said:

this with the help of the "two forces"....
Wherever one finds itself, this journey of growing never ends, not even after achieving the Magnum Opus, there is the beauty of it all.

I've been feeling lately (or paying more attention to) how the sky seems closer. The stars, especially. It almost seems like my ..consciousness?.. has been expanding upward and I see less distance between us and the stars, and our Gods and Goddesses. We'll probably never stop evolving, this is such a beautiful concept, but also makes one much more angry at the enemy for wanting us to stay the same and even less. They need to go for good, this charade has been going on for too long already. "We're the future gods of mankind. Start acting like it." like a dear Brother said before. Who knows how many we will guide once we're advanced enough, all while we keep learning and evolving.

GD.said:

Vibrating G stimulates the pineal gland, just as a matter of fact. Maybe this additional information helps you in a way or another. Gaum mantra on the pineal.

Yeah, pretty sure I read that in the chakra awakenings, or from someone here. "G" is actually one of the sounds that helped me the most. I should work with it again. Thanks for reminding me.

GD.said:

This may also show you how good you are with void meditation, and if you should work a lot more on it.

Truth be told, the best experiences I've had were all while "trying" Void meditation. It's difficult most of the time, but there are times when it seems suddenly a lot easier. Don't know if this depends by planetary alignments of whatnot or if it's just my own approach to the Void, but when I did and got good and immediate results I just knew I was doing it alright. I guess the rest of the time my mind is simply too busy with problems and thoughts and I forget to focus, if that's even possible. Air headed, you know...

GD.said:

I suppose it's never too late to increase your resistance, and, in general, do what you feel like doing. And regarding swimming, I wasn't referring to the beach, I don't personally like them at all, I haven't seen sharks, only small jellyfish, and to be honest, this all is not my type of environment. I like to swim in high salinity lakes and there is one near where I live, right next to a forest and on the top of a hill, I just love to go there.

Guess I'd need longer days to do all the training I want to do, between spiritual and Yoga, and then martial arts to keep fit and able. As for sharks, I haven't seen them in the sea (apparently the shark population is almost on the brink of extinction due to indiscriminate "fin fishing"... damn bastards who do that need to become shark food) and disappearing of entire species that create imbalance in the marine ecosystem, but I'm actually more scared of jellyfish lol. There shouldn't be any here because of the colder water but there's a jellyfish called Irukanji that can be 2 millimeters long (read that as "freaking invisible") but is one of the first 3 most venomous creatures in the world. So.. yeah, not eager to meet one. And this is the "known" species.. apparently marine snakes are the most venomous in the world. The sea itself is a coven of venomous wonders.

This lake of yours sounds like a wonder I'd love to visit someday. So salty it's impossible to find the bottom?? :lol: Holy shit.. ever heard that before, but it's so very intriguing. I'll try to look it up somehow and see if I can "theta project" there or something.. definitely sounds like the safest possible body of water to swim into.. no chance of drowning and I assume there's too much salinity for anything dangerous to inhabit it (unless SOME killer bacteria live in salt lol.. but I'd hypothesize the salt would just destroy their composition... then again, nature is a continuous wonder so who knows...)

GD.said:

the fact that you can spot these differences may come from the fact that you've maybe been a satanist before this lifetime
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Maybe, who knows, you've been a "late bird" this whole time and now you start to improve yourself, and it happens quite fast, like a cloud in movement, isn't it?

Well, I can certainly tell these skills haven't come from THIS lifetime as I never trained them before, so yes.. pretty sure I've been very involved with Satanism before.

And ahah... I just checked to be sure, but "late bird" means someone who wakes up late and goes to sleep late.. :P which I am too :lol: ..what you were trying to say is "late bloomer", means someone who "flowers" or unfolds or sprouts late, like a flower that opens the petals at the end of the season after every other flower.
And... I don't think you're wrong at all here, Sister. To be honest, I can only think this sucks lol... because I've always seen others making progress with little effort (some even making progress and THEN GIVING UP ON SATAN.. :evil: ) and this always frustrated me and made me feel like I was stupid or something for not being able to feel energy, or to do some things others "reported easy"... whether they really did or not.

After I became a Zevist I definitely noticed a change after a while: I could suddenly use that Thoughtform type I told you about and some things simply were easy to understand.. energy matters sounded obvious, like a school subject I hadn't been studying for a long while but that I used to be very good at, sort of.
It could very well be that I'm using more of the Eight Paths of Enlightenment now, paths that I didn't even know about until recently or that I simply didn't believe so important, like Yoga turned out to be, and that was the trigger that would start my engine, allowing me to make progress.

This sounds like a good moment to tell you about the last week or so.

I've been bitching with myself about my lack of Earth Element and wanted to do something about it. A few days ago, after setting my mind and thoughts toward Earth and Earthy things, I bought a beads necklace (the 108 beads kind for mantras and affirmations) that is made almost entirely of Tiger's Eye. To me this stone is (to put it kindly) "the most unbearable gemstone". I used to wear it before and it always made me uneasy, agitated, the arm where I wore the stone made ring on my finger would twitch and feel uncontrollable spasms after a while, so I stopped using it.

This time, however, I decided I was going to balance that damn Element and keep it up until I saw results.
I got the necklace and for like 3 days I didn't even take it off. I'd focus on Earth, absorb it, manipulate it (like for cleaning as I explained before, visualizing outcrops and pyramids) and before the 3rd day I started to feel something too obvious not to notice: I'll call it "boost of adrenaline" because it sounds similar at a physical level, something by body "seems" to feel, but it's actually a "boost in emotion".

Long story short, I'm pretty sure I somehow unblocked my third chakra and a bridge has formed between my lower and upper chakras (in the heart chakra), and it's so strong and happens so unexpectedly it demands my full attention. To put it in an emotional example, it's showing up almost randomly, immediate, fast, and it feels like a strong mix of excitement and love...

Remember when I said the Serpent Rituals were doing something that made my base chakra vibrate and pulse? This feels the same, but it's a completely different reaction... BUT it's moved up two chakras. I can't really locate the second chakra between these spots, but I don't think it's asleep at all..

Yesterday night I was feeling sick from eating something bad and couldn't sleep, so I did another Ritual and decided to try and focus and direct that "love" to a Succubus.. However, not being very familiar with her yet, I asked Leraje, my Guardian, to deliver the love for me. I'm definitely doing this again, as I felt a clear positive response from her. Like she was "loving me back", but I don't know if this love came from my Guardian or a Succubus. (I can feel it even now that I'm telling you about it. :) )It felt very pure and perfect.. pure joy.

GD.said:

You will realise if it is like this when the moment is right, trust your timing, brother. You will, maybe, realise that you've been advanced before, that it is in you, and this will make you even more motivated to continue. I can see that lots of answers came to you lately and you’ve advanced a lot, and this happened quite recently. So, let the cloud be consistent in its movement and look at it some time later, see it in a completely different place looking a completely different way. Changing is obvious.

You're absolutely right, and I love the cloud analogy. Besides, I took a step back from Earth right now, as I'm trying to work with all the Elements at once. Can't do it all in one go with each, or the reaction from the others will be too strong and create a mess of imbalance I think. I'm focusing on Air right now, just enough to keep balanced and not forget about the importance of the breath in meditating.

GD.said:

I usually am silent, but when I open my mouth and say something, everyone's attention is at me, and it creates a complete silence.

That, I take as one of the signs saying you're very advanced. I think the voice (among other things) can reveal a lot about the person, and yours probably reveals how powerful you are.

GD.said:

I was thinking about this cold resistance you said having to do with the water element, and I remember that in the beginning of this year here were -15°C, and I was going to school in basically a sweatshirt and a T-shirt in the morning. I didn't knew how cold it actually was until my mom told me. Well, yea, I mean, my eyelashes and hair froze until I got to school (it usually takes me about an hour on foot) but I didn't catch any cold nor felt bad in any way, but the exact opposite, as I love cold weather a lot.

So I was wondering, is there any chance that water element is also strong in my soul? Considering what I said, and that I wasn't using fire but rather feeling the cold and embracing it.

About your experience after experimenting a bit, I don't think I should be shocked.

I'd say that sounds actually very reasonable. From what I understand you're very strong with Fire, but also it seems the cold (like when you were sitting in the snow also) doesn't bother you at all. The way I usually look at things, Elemental magick is the most advanced (as the Elements are the most extreme kinds of energy, pulling towards completely different directions), so someone who's very skilled with them can only be someone very advanced.
I don't know (anymore) how much this has really to do with the planets distribution in the natal chart... their presence in an Element could simply be a guideline, telling a person what they should work more with, OR they tend to lose importance the more a person advances and gains control and resistance to them.

I just checked your older messages to be sure.. if I'm not mistaken your Elements in growing order in the chart should be Earth, Fire, Water and Air.. meaning Fire and Water being this strong already probably mean you've got more than a decent control on your Earth too, and I have no idea what you can do with Air. :lol:

The way I understand this, Elements aren't always obvious and people can display them in different ways. For example: you're Air dominant, which suggests you like to be very sociable and talkative, but you also said that you're mostly quiet.. perhaps your Earth displays in a controlled silence? Just a thought, don't take this too literally of course. Another example is the way one works.. if you like to take frequent breaks (Air) or you prefer to do everything tirelessly and finish at the end (Earth). I used to be silent and shy as a kid, then I pushed myself a little and ended up talking for long time with anyone that I found somewhat interesting (this in person, but there's still nobody I prefer talking with other than a Brother or Sister in arms).

To sum things up, I don't think you're imbalanced at all, but it's possible that you don't know the real extent of your skills because you focused mostly on Fire and Water (pyro and ignoring the cold completely)... in my experience with Earth (and why I won't let it go for too long in my training) is that it triggers Void and spiritual communication. Feeling underground roots, subtler connections within your Soul... it's all too important to postpone for later.
Air.... I think you either already know your skills, or have to discover this side of you yet.

Something easy I don't remember asking you before (might have already, we speak a lot! :lol: ) is Astral Scent (or "Clairalience" lol.. weird name). If you haven't tried it, just open your senses and breath slowly while looking at something in a picture... in my experience it only really works with colors, but there are people who have such a sight they can see much more of the light spectrum, not to mention astral beings and our Gods and Goddesses. This works even with things you haven't smelled before, like tropical fruits that don't make it in all countries and such.

This is just one skill, of course. Air is very versatile... if you visualize it "spinning" through a door you can slam it. Found out in school, lol. Scared the whole class. :lol: Priceless. Only catch is, this SEEMS to work better when there's already currents in the air... if all windows are shut the odds of success seem reduced, but that's just me. You'll do better for sure, Sister. ;)

GD.said:

Thanks for encouraging me, it turns out I am underestimating myself a lot just yet. I will gradually get rid of this, you're not the only one who's saying that, my guardian did as well, also Satan, but a lot more subtle, so I suppose I should solve this in a way or another, and this started recently by mentally realising this, now I should act on the spiritual area to fix it, then it will materialise. I feel I am am on the right path.

I think it's probably a common mistake we all make, especially in a world that's been cursed with "anti magick curses"... not surprising people start thinking "they can't". This is all changing now, don't worry. :)

GD.said:

The programming you have to work on is not by "directly jumping on experimenting" because you know you can do those things and may or may not advance you or boost your confidence by trying to convince yourself that you were right, but on being conscious you can and gradually get into the things you love and getting more and more experienced, making sure you have COMPLETE CONTROL over your powers.

It's always been a very common thing for me, I'm currently working on that by including more things that rule each "aspect of the office" I'm trying to learn about, like more Elements rule each one. Answers are starting to pop up, slowly, but it's happening. Thanks for your advice.

GD.said:

I enjoy painting a lot, with oils. I am into romantic art a lot and I paint in a romantic style, just as the painting of Satan exulting in my signature, but instead of using pencil over oil paint to create shadows (as you see Richard has done in this one if you zoom in) I personally do shadows with paint as well, so only paint in my artwork. I want to paint Father Satan in that romantic manner one day, and maybe other gods as well.
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but I suppose only close gods would want this, as everyone has a different style or sees a certain god in different ways, especially if they do not know them well, and this could distort perception of new ones over a god. Maybe I'm wrong but I'll see where this gets me I guess.

I don't really know if what we see is always or even just "very close" what "is". The Gods surely know we're going to pick up on specific details and use them to realize who they are, even if they're possibly mistakes in descriptions or commonly believed facts about them, like the color of one's wings or the hair length and such. Perhaps you should just trust yourself and paint what you see. And if later you have another vision you can always paint them differently and compare them. :) Perhaps the mere differences will be a way for them to tell you something, like a change you need to be more aware of or something to work on within yourself.

And thanks for telling me about this guy using pencil on top of paint.. sounds convenient and useful. Actually, it reminds me a lot of a technique I just discovered this week watching instagram people draw faces: this one guy made the general guidelines and then, before using any pencil to draw eyes and features, used a brush and powdered graphite, like it were paint, to create all the major shading areas and giving the face already a sense of depth, and only then he added eyes, lips, nose and worked on the minor shading. I always bitch a lot about getting the details wrong and then being unsatisfied about my shading, but this sounds like a method that will make me learn faster and better. I'm trying a few things now (mostly textures with ink) and soon I'll try that too. Got a really positive vibe about it. :)

GD.said:

It is as you desire, and you don't have to force yourself to learn it and see the aspects if you don't want to, just let is come naturally. I've personally done it because I felt from Satan I should, and I did so, only to find out I am underestimating myself and that I will get rid of this soon, seeing my actual nature. I bet there are other things He wanted me to see, I still look forward to it. I suppose there are things that help one in their growing, I, however, suggest you look at yours deeper as well, who knows, maybe you'll find something of interest or see how to fix certain problems you have, and may be of extreme help. Just take this as a simple advice, if you don't feel like it, don't do it.

Take good care as well, Brother! I won't reread this message, I'll just press submit, hope there aren't too many grammar mistakes or unintelligible ideas :lol I was usually making them a lot more clearer after writing them, I now have a lot of things in my mind, I've just put them all down. And sorry for this late reply tho.

I think that's exactly what I'll do.. looking within as I feel I'm getting to more answers and unlocking something big. I'll keep astrology for later, definitely on my to-do list but not yet.. I've only started opening one door and peeking in, I want to keep opening that one now and see where I get to.

And no worries.. :P your message was very readable, I'm not that fussy lol.

Take care, Sister! And do take your time, we're pretty busy with the current schedule and all the other things. :)

HAIL ZEUS FOREVER!

#72

This might seem weird, but your messages were really cute and enjoyable, I love seeing Satanists communicating like this c:. Thank for keeping your conversation here, and for having it in first place, especially the Ritual part, since I have the same energy problems…

#73
sivsaid:

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Hi, just saw your reply as this is an account I seldom use now (I'm using "Eagle Bearer 666"), I'm glad you appreciated these messages. :) I hope these longer ones (if someone wants to read them and see something they can use from them) contain at least a few keywords or concepts that will help. I used to see a lot of "synchronicities", as I used to call them, when I joined here and some people seemed to always say **exactly** the things I needed to hear as answers, and it turn that made me grow some more, definitely more than all those years before joining this Forum and learning so much about myself in a much shorter time than I've ever done (mostly being stuck and with wrong mindsets).

Persistence and hard work are everything for us Zevists. It may be harder in the beginning (and I also mean "many years" here.. I just started dipping my toes in the Astrology and found it extremely accurate and fascinating), but don't ever give up and take note of every little success. It will all add up later and you'll spot results more and more often. :)

HAIL ZEUS FOREVER!

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sivsaid:

This might seem weird, but your messages were really cute and enjoyable, I love seeing Satanists communicating like this c:. Thank for keeping your conversation here, and for having it in first place, especially the Ritual part, since I have the same energy problems…

I only recently saw this message, and I can reply now. I'm glad you saw our messages as enjoyable and cute, and it doesn't seem weird at all, I actually thought someone thinks that, even if I didn't expect anyone to say it at some point. Your username seems familiar to me tho..

As for your energy problems, keep being consistent. Consistency is something I personally struggle with right now, and I recently started inhaling earth element, as it brings stability, and I started to see results in a week or so, but for some reason I stopped, so I gotta continue to keep it permanent. Advancement is with ups and downs, in no matter what area, so we shall keep our heads up and never give up. Currently I am personally at a point where I jump between 2 stages, I'm either seeing and slightly hearing astrally, I'm highly vibrational and everything's going great, either in a stage where I can barely feel in the astral, and pretty sure this has to do with consistency now, speaking of my case, but earth might help you as well in case it's the same for you.

Analysing patterns is also something to do, like if you feel something, what have you felt exactly and in what circumstances have you felt it? I was recently reading the book "Meditations" by this roman emperor and philosopher Marcus Aurelius, and I saw that "introspective meditation" done almost all the time, especially speaking of the "reason" you're doing something or the reason why something happens to you. But now speaking of analysing in general, this also helped me quite much, asking yourself questions like why, what, how.. I've always done this as a little child and every child does this, as this is how they grow mentally, until society or even family pushes the idea that you're punished for asking some things.

But anyway, I wrote a lot to reply to a little message lol. But I'm glad you wrote this message in the first place. HAIL ZEUS!

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"My own shall not die like the sons of Adam that are without" - Sanat Kumara in Al Jilwah
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#75
This is the targeted message.
GD.said:
sivsaid:

This might seem weird, but your messages were really cute and enjoyable, I love seeing Satanists communicating like this c:. Thank for keeping your conversation here, and for having it in first place, especially the Ritual part, since I have the same energy problems…

I only recently saw this message, and I can reply now. I'm glad you saw our messages as enjoyable and cute, and it doesn't seem weird at all, I actually thought someone thinks that, even if I didn't expect anyone to say it at some point. Your username seems familiar to me tho..

As for your energy problems, keep being consistent. Consistency is something I personally struggle with right now, and I recently started inhaling earth element, as it brings stability, and I started to see results in a week or so, but for some reason I stopped, so I gotta continue to keep it permanent. Advancement is with ups and downs, in no matter what area, so we shall keep our heads up and never give up. Currently I am personally at a point where I jump between 2 stages, I'm either seeing and slightly hearing astrally, I'm highly vibrational and everything's going great, either in a stage where I can barely feel in the astral, and pretty sure this has to do with consistency now, speaking of my case, but earth might help you as well in case it's the same for you.

Don’t worry about writing too much haha! I really appreciate it. I would write longer messages as well, but I’m kind of struggling to sound good in English, and I end up deleting half of the things I want to say :lol:
You remember me from our country’s Satanic forum, I asked about a witch ball, if it would be good enough for making ectoplasm in it, and you replied to me.
And thank you for the tips, I definitely need to be more consistent, but I’m struggling with motivation. My energy levels are horrible, and I plan to fix this with yoga and mantras. Do you have any advice here? And for the analyzing, I have an unused agenda, and I’ll start writing things down.
HAIL ZEUS!