The change from JoS to ToZ is mysterious indeed.

Username · 2025-06-16T18:37:44+00:00

I have recently come to the forums after a year or two. The change from JoS to ToZ is very mysterious to me. As such, there are few questions I would like to ask the members. 1. What exactly brought this change ? Exactly which event transpired which caused this change ? 2. Why did Satan abdicate...

Jul 13, 2025#20

Do you not know that the same Gods were referred to by many different names across every country and every different language? There are probably more than 50 different names you could use that all are names of Satan/Zeus. Use whatever of his names that you want, as long as you understand that it is the same God. Then you understand it is not something to argue about.

https://templeofzeus.org/

Jul 13, 2025#21

Zeus is the same as Satan, they are the same. There is not anything like "switching to a different God." Zeus was a more commonly used name that was known and used by the most people, so it is a good choice to use this name. And there are also many other names for this God that could also be used. This is why in the Grand Ritual of Zeus, there are several of these different names used purposefully to program into your soul that these names are all connected together to the same God, and that all people who try to connect with the God behind each one of these names are all reaching to the same God.

https://templeofzeus.org/

Zeus is the same as Satan, they are the same. There is not anything like "switching to a different God." Zeus was a more commonly used name that was known and used by the most people, so it is a good choice to use this name. And there are also many other names for this God that could also be used. This is why in the Grand Ritual of Zeus, there are several of these different names used purposefully to program into your soul that these names are all connected together to the same God, and that all people who try to connect with the God behind each one of these names are all reaching to the same God.

Jul 17, 2025#22

Usernamesaid:post: 1153688
Who says I am not open to an open dialogue? Exactly what gives or says in my replies that I am not open to an open dialogue? If what I preached was false and without basis, it would crumble on its own. You or other members could have corrected me if what I preached was false. Yet, you directly reject without even a chance of redemption. Isn't that action a bit too extreme?

The posts you had made, many of which were deleted, such as ones mocking others or ToZ, created the perception that you were not open to a fair dialogue.

Yes, false information would crumble on its own, but not necessarily immediately, and not without potentially corrupting others. The enemy abuses free speech to accomplish aims like this, which requires us to take a protective stance.

Usernamesaid:post: 1153857
Normally, you would assume that such an important piece of information would be updated as early as possible and be spread to the many Satanist/Zevist as possible. Yet there are no updates even after more than twenty years.

Nobody said or promised that the deployment of truth within ToZ, or its comprehension, would be perfect. Our understanding and propagation of Truth is based on our own evolution both as an organization and as individuals.

Similarly, information requiring updates on the websites is also subject to the same human limitations on labor. This was not intentional.

What exactly are you concerned about? To me, it seems premised on the idea of unrealistically high standards regarding information.

Further arguments with others that resulted in insults flying or other obstacles to dialogue may have inflamed your perception of negative transmission of information, but again, there are realistic limitations here, too.

Despite any of this, ToZ is the only organization that empowers everyone to directly learn and understand anything to endless degrees. This fact alone counts infinitely more than the logistics of individual details, because each person can grow to reach and uphold the same conclusions in time.

Usernamesaid:post: 1153688
Who says I am not open to an open dialogue? Exactly what gives or says in my replies that I am not open to an open dialogue? If what I preached was false and without basis, it would crumble on its own. You or other members could have corrected me if what I preached was false. Yet, you directly reject without even a chance of redemption. Isn't that action a bit too extreme?

The posts you had made, many of which were deleted, such as ones mocking others or ToZ, created the perception that you were not open to a fair dialogue.

Yes, false information would crumble on its own, but not necessarily immediately, and not without potentially corrupting others. The enemy abuses free speech to accomplish aims like this, which requires us to take a protective stance.

Usernamesaid:post: 1153857
Normally, you would assume that such an important piece of information would be updated as early as possible and be spread to the many Satanist/Zevist as possible. Yet there are no updates even after more than twenty years.

Nobody said or promised that the deployment of truth within ToZ, or its comprehension, would be perfect. Our understanding and propagation of Truth is based on our own evolution both as an organization and as individuals.

Similarly, information requiring updates on the websites is also subject to the same human limitations on labor. This was not intentional.

What exactly are you concerned about? To me, it seems premised on the idea of unrealistically high standards regarding information.

Further arguments with others that resulted in insults flying or other obstacles to dialogue may have inflamed your perception of negative transmission of information, but again, there are realistic limitations here, too.

Despite any of this, ToZ is the only organization that empowers everyone to directly learn and understand anything to endless degrees. This fact alone counts infinitely more than the logistics of individual details, because each person can grow to reach and uphold the same conclusions in time.

Jul 17, 2025#23

Head Guardian Sophiles Phylaxsaid:post: 1154698
What exactly are you concerned about? To me, it seems premised on the idea of unrealistically high standards regarding information.

... as if the individual is actively trying undermine all the work, and all the people who actively contribute to the development of ToZ.

I'm curious as to whether the user holds himself to the same high standards as he'd like us.

Usernamesaid:post: 1153857
Normally, you would assume that such an important piece of information would be updated as early as possible and be spread to the many Satanist/Zevist as possible. Yet there are no updates even after more than twenty years.

Normally, you'd assume someone who joined more than a DECADE ago saw the changes live as they were being introduced, yet you choose pomposity and arrogance.

See how this argument was turned against you?

No, you mustn't rush anyone, as updating ToZ isn't anybody's occupation - it's what they do in their spare time, WHEN they have time. If you're young and still live with your parents, I don't believe you can understand this.

00) "dubito, ergo cogito" - Rene Descartes. Doubt, but think. And do research
0) If you seek validation of your delusions - you won't find it here.
1) "I believe that XYZ." - Irrelevant. Study https://templeofzeus.org/ and KNOW. Slaves believe - they don't know.
2) 'xianity', not 'xtianity' - 'christ' = x, not 'chris', AND "Gods", not "God's", "chakras" not "chakra's" if plural.
3) If someone appears to be new, it doesn't mean they have no agenda. Slander veiled as an 'innocent' question, or 'just my opinion' is still slander.
4) Look how beautiful and logical the bible / quran is!
5) Trolls think they can't be exposed - those idiots expose themselves. Another name of Zeus is Satya - Truth

6) serpentwalker666's post from 22.02.25: "People be like... "We want Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece, Ancient Babylon again" / *Joy of Satanas becomes the Temple of Zeus and starts to expand and take on the endeavor of the ancient restoration of the full spectrum of knowledge and divine culture of the gods* / People be like: "Wait what are you doing?" / Us: "Isn't this what the goal was all along?""
-ask yourself: if you find the above weird, doesn't it mean you have got stuck too much in the cults of yehubor?

Head Guardian Sophiles Phylaxsaid:post: 1154698
What exactly are you concerned about? To me, it seems premised on the idea of unrealistically high standards regarding information.

... as if the individual is actively trying undermine all the work, and all the people who actively contribute to the development of ToZ.

I'm curious as to whether the user holds himself to the same high standards as he'd like us.

Usernamesaid:post: 1153857
Normally, you would assume that such an important piece of information would be updated as early as possible and be spread to the many Satanist/Zevist as possible. Yet there are no updates even after more than twenty years.

Normally, you'd assume someone who joined more than a DECADE ago saw the changes live as they were being introduced, yet you choose pomposity and arrogance.

See how this argument was turned against you?

No, you mustn't rush anyone, as updating ToZ isn't anybody's occupation - it's what they do in their spare time, WHEN they have time. If you're young and still live with your parents, I don't believe you can understand this.

Jul 20, 2025#24

Usernamesaid:post: 1155124
A vulgar message like this isn't rejected

It wasn't rejected, because it is NOT vulgar. What is vulgar though is your reaction and insiting on the Guardian to post your message. I've had some posts rejected, which in hindsight had been too rude - in this case I trust the Guardians' common sense. And They sometimes publish something to prove a point what one should not do or ought not to be.

My answer concerns you because apparently, it is true for you as well :) You wouldn't be bothered about something that does not concern you, would you now? Posting hundreds of messages here does not equal being legitimate. Quality over quantitiy.

Head Guardian Sophiles Phylaxsaid:post: 1154698
Further arguments with others that resulted in insults flying or other obstacles to dialogue may have inflamed your perception of negative transmission of information, but again, there are realistic limitations here, too.

That arguments will appear is inevitable, however, if one cannot see past one's limited vision, we are not the ones to blame.

00) "dubito, ergo cogito" - Rene Descartes. Doubt, but think. And do research
0) If you seek validation of your delusions - you won't find it here.
1) "I believe that XYZ." - Irrelevant. Study https://templeofzeus.org/ and KNOW. Slaves believe - they don't know.
2) 'xianity', not 'xtianity' - 'christ' = x, not 'chris', AND "Gods", not "God's", "chakras" not "chakra's" if plural.
3) If someone appears to be new, it doesn't mean they have no agenda. Slander veiled as an 'innocent' question, or 'just my opinion' is still slander.
4) Look how beautiful and logical the bible / quran is!
5) Trolls think they can't be exposed - those idiots expose themselves. Another name of Zeus is Satya - Truth

6) serpentwalker666's post from 22.02.25: "People be like... "We want Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece, Ancient Babylon again" / *Joy of Satanas becomes the Temple of Zeus and starts to expand and take on the endeavor of the ancient restoration of the full spectrum of knowledge and divine culture of the gods* / People be like: "Wait what are you doing?" / Us: "Isn't this what the goal was all along?""
-ask yourself: if you find the above weird, doesn't it mean you have got stuck too much in the cults of yehubor?

Usernamesaid:post: 1155124
A vulgar message like this isn't rejected

It wasn't rejected, because it is NOT vulgar. What is vulgar though is your reaction and insiting on the Guardian to post your message. I've had some posts rejected, which in hindsight had been too rude - in this case I trust the Guardians' common sense. And They sometimes publish something to prove a point what one should not do or ought not to be.

My answer concerns you because apparently, it is true for you as well :) You wouldn't be bothered about something that does not concern you, would you now? Posting hundreds of messages here does not equal being legitimate. Quality over quantitiy.

Head Guardian Sophiles Phylaxsaid:post: 1154698
Further arguments with others that resulted in insults flying or other obstacles to dialogue may have inflamed your perception of negative transmission of information, but again, there are realistic limitations here, too.

That arguments will appear is inevitable, however, if one cannot see past one's limited vision, we are not the ones to blame.

Jul 20, 2025#25

Head Guardian Sophiles Phylaxsaid:post: 1154698
The posts you had made, many of which were deleted, such as ones mocking others or ToZ, created the perception that you were not open to a fair dialogue.

Was rejecting my replies due to the sensation of your perception the right thing to do? Indeed, I was intoxicated due to lack of sleep. That's why I created such posts not only in this post but other posts too. However, my recent replies were sound, innocent and only stated the truth without insulting anyone.

Head Guardian Sophiles Phylaxsaid:post: 1154698
Yes, false information would crumble on its own, but not necessarily immediately, and not without potentially corrupting others. The enemy abuses free speech to accomplish aims like this, which requires us to take a protective stance.

I appeal to you again to show my reply to OttoHart. Let people be the judges regarding my 'false information'. I agree with you when you say that the enemy abuses free speech for their own motives. However, its quite interesting that you put my replies on the same wavelength of abusing free speech as the enemies. Was it intentional?

Head Guardian Sophiles Phylaxsaid:post: 1154698
Nobody said or promised that the deployment of truth within ToZ, or its comprehension, would be perfect. Our understanding and propagation of Truth is based on our own evolution both as an organization and as individuals.
Similarly, information requiring updates on the websites is also subject to the same human limitations on labor. This was not intentional.

Indeed, nobody guarantees that deployment of truth within ToZ would be perfect. However, the preaching in the forums and the truth within the ToZ contradict so much that even a normal member should be concerned about it, let alone the clergy. I am talking about the statement that Satan and Zeus are the same being. What appears to be in the forums is different than what appears to be in the official website. Can such an excuse of 'human limitations on labor' actually excuse the contradiction? For an organization that preaches truth and truth?

Head Guardian Sophiles Phylaxsaid:post: 1154698
What exactly are you concerned about? To me, it seems premised on the idea of unrealistically high standards regarding information.

There seems to be many things which are seeming to you. Never did my posts here imply or asked about the standards regarding information. If the simple fact that the statement "Satan and Zeus are the same" seemed fishy to me seemed like an unusually high standards regarding information to you, then I don't have many things to say here.

Head Guardian Sophiles Phylaxsaid:post: 1154698
Further arguments with others that resulted in insults flying or other obstacles to dialogue may have inflamed your perception of negative transmission of information, but again, there are realistic limitations here, too.

Again, why do the members here including the clergy love assuming so much? Above, OttoHart wants me to grovel and apologize and has flown many insults my way. Yet, my reply to his insults keeps being rejected.

Head Guardian Sophiles Phylaxsaid:post: 1154698
Despite any of this, ToZ is the only organization that empowers everyone to directly learn and understand anything to endless degrees. This fact alone counts infinitely more than the logistics of individual details, because each person can grow to reach and uphold the same conclusions in time.

I said it then, I will say it again even if this reply is rejected. For an organisation that preaches Truth, having contradictory information regarding the head God in the forums and in the website is a glaring flaw. This flaw isn't to the extent of "logistics of individual details". That's all.

Head Guardian Sophiles Phylaxsaid:post: 1154698
The posts you had made, many of which were deleted, such as ones mocking others or ToZ, created the perception that you were not open to a fair dialogue.

Was rejecting my replies due to the sensation of your perception the right thing to do? Indeed, I was intoxicated due to lack of sleep. That's why I created such posts not only in this post but other posts too. However, my recent replies were sound, innocent and only stated the truth without insulting anyone.

Head Guardian Sophiles Phylaxsaid:post: 1154698
Yes, false information would crumble on its own, but not necessarily immediately, and not without potentially corrupting others. The enemy abuses free speech to accomplish aims like this, which requires us to take a protective stance.

I appeal to you again to show my reply to OttoHart. Let people be the judges regarding my 'false information'. I agree with you when you say that the enemy abuses free speech for their own motives. However, its quite interesting that you put my replies on the same wavelength of abusing free speech as the enemies. Was it intentional?

Head Guardian Sophiles Phylaxsaid:post: 1154698
Nobody said or promised that the deployment of truth within ToZ, or its comprehension, would be perfect. Our understanding and propagation of Truth is based on our own evolution both as an organization and as individuals.
Similarly, information requiring updates on the websites is also subject to the same human limitations on labor. This was not intentional.

Indeed, nobody guarantees that deployment of truth within ToZ would be perfect. However, the preaching in the forums and the truth within the ToZ contradict so much that even a normal member should be concerned about it, let alone the clergy. I am talking about the statement that Satan and Zeus are the same being. What appears to be in the forums is different than what appears to be in the official website. Can such an excuse of 'human limitations on labor' actually excuse the contradiction? For an organization that preaches truth and truth?

Head Guardian Sophiles Phylaxsaid:post: 1154698
What exactly are you concerned about? To me, it seems premised on the idea of unrealistically high standards regarding information.

There seems to be many things which are seeming to you. Never did my posts here imply or asked about the standards regarding information. If the simple fact that the statement "Satan and Zeus are the same" seemed fishy to me seemed like an unusually high standards regarding information to you, then I don't have many things to say here.

Head Guardian Sophiles Phylaxsaid:post: 1154698
Further arguments with others that resulted in insults flying or other obstacles to dialogue may have inflamed your perception of negative transmission of information, but again, there are realistic limitations here, too.

Again, why do the members here including the clergy love assuming so much? Above, OttoHart wants me to grovel and apologize and has flown many insults my way. Yet, my reply to his insults keeps being rejected.

Head Guardian Sophiles Phylaxsaid:post: 1154698
Despite any of this, ToZ is the only organization that empowers everyone to directly learn and understand anything to endless degrees. This fact alone counts infinitely more than the logistics of individual details, because each person can grow to reach and uphold the same conclusions in time.

I said it then, I will say it again even if this reply is rejected. For an organisation that preaches Truth, having contradictory information regarding the head God in the forums and in the website is a glaring flaw. This flaw isn't to the extent of "logistics of individual details". That's all.

Jul 20, 2025#26

Usernamesaid:post: 1155130
Was rejecting my replies due to the sensation of your perception the right thing to do? Indeed, I was intoxicated due to lack of sleep. That's why I created such posts not only in this post but other posts too. However, my recent replies were sound, innocent and only stated the truth without insulting anyone.
I appeal to you again to show my reply to OttoHart. Let people be the judges regarding my 'false information'. I agree with you when you say that the enemy abuses free speech for their own motives. However, its quite interesting that you put my replies on the same wavelength of abusing free speech as the enemies. Was it intentional?
Indeed, nobody guarantees that deployment of truth within ToZ would be perfect. However, the preaching in the forums and the truth within the ToZ contradict so much that even a normal member should be concerned about it, let alone the clergy. I am talking about the statement that Satan and Zeus are the same being. What appears to be in the forums is different than what appears to be in the official website. Can such an excuse of 'human limitations on labor' actually excuse the contradiction? For an organization that preaches truth and truth?

I did disapprove and will every time you attack-question Temple of Zeus after you have received plenty and full explanations. You framing this as free speech and truth seeking questions and victim hood is subversive and does not work with me since you have not interacted with factual conversation but on an emotional pursuit of attacking Temple of Zeus, Gods decisions, and Clergy by issuing false doubts. Your own conflict about this is resolved by studying, requesting help from Gods not social confrontation. Clergy and the Gods won't dumb it down for a christianity 2.0 tier knowledge, real theology is very complex and necessitates refinement and great study, not peasantry popularism like "Satin not Zius".

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Usernamesaid:post: 1155130
Was rejecting my replies due to the sensation of your perception the right thing to do? Indeed, I was intoxicated due to lack of sleep. That's why I created such posts not only in this post but other posts too. However, my recent replies were sound, innocent and only stated the truth without insulting anyone.
I appeal to you again to show my reply to OttoHart. Let people be the judges regarding my 'false information'. I agree with you when you say that the enemy abuses free speech for their own motives. However, its quite interesting that you put my replies on the same wavelength of abusing free speech as the enemies. Was it intentional?
Indeed, nobody guarantees that deployment of truth within ToZ would be perfect. However, the preaching in the forums and the truth within the ToZ contradict so much that even a normal member should be concerned about it, let alone the clergy. I am talking about the statement that Satan and Zeus are the same being. What appears to be in the forums is different than what appears to be in the official website. Can such an excuse of 'human limitations on labor' actually excuse the contradiction? For an organization that preaches truth and truth?

I did disapprove and will every time you attack-question Temple of Zeus after you have received plenty and full explanations. You framing this as free speech and truth seeking questions and victim hood is subversive and does not work with me since you have not interacted with factual conversation but on an emotional pursuit of attacking Temple of Zeus, Gods decisions, and Clergy by issuing false doubts. Your own conflict about this is resolved by studying, requesting help from Gods not social confrontation. Clergy and the Gods won't dumb it down for a christianity 2.0 tier knowledge, real theology is very complex and necessitates refinement and great study, not peasantry popularism like "Satin not Zius".

Jul 20, 2025#27

Usernamesaid:post: 1155130
For an organisation that preaches Truth, having contradictory information regarding the head God in the forums and in the website is a glaring flaw

Guardian Alexandros was faster, so I'll just add fuel to the fire - if you claim ToZ is flawed, imperfect, and our perception skewed, why don't you find other relgions where there is copious amounts of false info, where contadictions abound.

Who knows, maybe you'll become a high-ranking member there? :D Wouldn't it be great? But not here.

Here, study is required - thorough and long. Guardians, as well as other senior members, are here to serve with their knowledge.

00) "dubito, ergo cogito" - Rene Descartes. Doubt, but think. And do research
0) If you seek validation of your delusions - you won't find it here.
1) "I believe that XYZ." - Irrelevant. Study https://templeofzeus.org/ and KNOW. Slaves believe - they don't know.
2) 'xianity', not 'xtianity' - 'christ' = x, not 'chris', AND "Gods", not "God's", "chakras" not "chakra's" if plural.
3) If someone appears to be new, it doesn't mean they have no agenda. Slander veiled as an 'innocent' question, or 'just my opinion' is still slander.
4) Look how beautiful and logical the bible / quran is!
5) Trolls think they can't be exposed - those idiots expose themselves. Another name of Zeus is Satya - Truth

6) serpentwalker666's post from 22.02.25: "People be like... "We want Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece, Ancient Babylon again" / *Joy of Satanas becomes the Temple of Zeus and starts to expand and take on the endeavor of the ancient restoration of the full spectrum of knowledge and divine culture of the gods* / People be like: "Wait what are you doing?" / Us: "Isn't this what the goal was all along?""
-ask yourself: if you find the above weird, doesn't it mean you have got stuck too much in the cults of yehubor?

Usernamesaid:post: 1155130
For an organisation that preaches Truth, having contradictory information regarding the head God in the forums and in the website is a glaring flaw

Guardian Alexandros was faster, so I'll just add fuel to the fire - if you claim ToZ is flawed, imperfect, and our perception skewed, why don't you find other relgions where there is copious amounts of false info, where contadictions abound.

Who knows, maybe you'll become a high-ranking member there? :D Wouldn't it be great? But not here.

Here, study is required - thorough and long. Guardians, as well as other senior members, are here to serve with their knowledge.

Jul 20, 2025#28

Usernamesaid:post: 1155130
Was rejecting my replies due to the sensation of your perception the right thing to do? Indeed, I was intoxicated due to lack of sleep. That's why I created such posts not only in this post but other posts too. However, my recent replies were sound, innocent and only stated the truth without insulting anyone.
I appeal to you again to show my reply to OttoHart. Let people be the judges regarding my 'false information'. I agree with you when you say that the enemy abuses free speech for their own motives. However, its quite interesting that you put my replies on the same wavelength of abusing free speech as the enemies. Was it intentional?
Indeed, nobody guarantees that deployment of truth within ToZ would be perfect. However, the preaching in the forums and the truth within the ToZ contradict so much that even a normal member should be concerned about it, let alone the clergy. I am talking about the statement that Satan and Zeus are the same being. What appears to be in the forums is different than what appears to be in the official website. Can such an excuse of 'human limitations on labor' actually excuse the contradiction? For an organization that preaches truth and truth?

I read what you wrote here and all I have to say is: So what? There is a mistake on the website that needs to be changed? Yeah, more work has to be done.

That does not rob us of the title of being the foremost proponent of Truth.

Usernamesaid:post: 1155130
Was rejecting my replies due to the sensation of your perception the right thing to do? Indeed, I was intoxicated due to lack of sleep. That's why I created such posts not only in this post but other posts too. However, my recent replies were sound, innocent and only stated the truth without insulting anyone.
I appeal to you again to show my reply to OttoHart. Let people be the judges regarding my 'false information'. I agree with you when you say that the enemy abuses free speech for their own motives. However, its quite interesting that you put my replies on the same wavelength of abusing free speech as the enemies. Was it intentional?
Indeed, nobody guarantees that deployment of truth within ToZ would be perfect. However, the preaching in the forums and the truth within the ToZ contradict so much that even a normal member should be concerned about it, let alone the clergy. I am talking about the statement that Satan and Zeus are the same being. What appears to be in the forums is different than what appears to be in the official website. Can such an excuse of 'human limitations on labor' actually excuse the contradiction? For an organization that preaches truth and truth?

I read what you wrote here and all I have to say is: So what? There is a mistake on the website that needs to be changed? Yeah, more work has to be done.

That does not rob us of the title of being the foremost proponent of Truth.

Jul 21, 2025#29

I mean the easiest way is to what I did.
Do the Ritual of Satan and ask if He is Zeus.
Do the for the Baalzebul and ask if He is Satan.

What happened was I felt the same energy from both Rituals which had never happened before, this confirmed they are the same being as before they had the same intensity but different feeling, that time they were literally exactly the same showing my question was heard and answered in a way I could easily understand and accept, furthermore I got a very strong positive response from Satan's sigil when I asked if He is Zeus.

You dont need to take anyones word for it, just use the tools you have been given and ask.

I mean the easiest way is to what I did.
Do the Ritual of Satan and ask if He is Zeus.
Do the for the Baalzebul and ask if He is Satan.

What happened was I felt the same energy from both Rituals which had never happened before, this confirmed they are the same being as before they had the same intensity but different feeling, that time they were literally exactly the same showing my question was heard and answered in a way I could easily understand and accept, furthermore I got a very strong positive response from Satan's sigil when I asked if He is Zeus.

You dont need to take anyones word for it, just use the tools you have been given and ask.

Jul 21, 2025#30

WoadWarriorsaid:post: 1155300
I mean the easiest way is to what I did.
Do the Ritual of Satan and ask if He is Zeus.
Do the for the Baalzebul and ask if He is Satan.
What happened was I felt the same energy from both Rituals which had never happened before, this confirmed they are the same being as before they had the same intensity but different feeling, that time they were literally exactly the same showing my question was heard and answered in a way I could easily understand and accept, furthermore I got a very strong positive response from Satan's sigil when I asked if He is Zeus.
You dont need to take anyones word for it, just use the tools you have been given and ask.

This, indeed, is what a sane, sensible, and rational person does. A rational person does not stir arguments without proper research and experiment.

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WoadWarriorsaid:post: 1155300
I mean the easiest way is to what I did.
Do the Ritual of Satan and ask if He is Zeus.
Do the for the Baalzebul and ask if He is Satan.
What happened was I felt the same energy from both Rituals which had never happened before, this confirmed they are the same being as before they had the same intensity but different feeling, that time they were literally exactly the same showing my question was heard and answered in a way I could easily understand and accept, furthermore I got a very strong positive response from Satan's sigil when I asked if He is Zeus.
You dont need to take anyones word for it, just use the tools you have been given and ask.

This, indeed, is what a sane, sensible, and rational person does. A rational person does not stir arguments without proper research and experiment.

Jul 30, 2025#31

WoadWarriorsaid:post: 1155300
I mean the easiest way is to what I did.
Do the Ritual of Satan and ask if He is Zeus.
Do the for the Baalzebul and ask if He is Satan.
What happened was I felt the same energy from both Rituals which had never happened before, this confirmed they are the same being as before they had the same intensity but different feeling, that time they were literally exactly the same showing my question was heard and answered in a way I could easily understand and accept, furthermore I got a very strong positive response from Satan's sigil when I asked if He is Zeus.
You dont need to take anyones word for it, just use the tools you have been given and ask.

Oh, I didn't know that there was such a way. My curiosity did indeed get the better of me. You felt the positive energies, that's good for you. I guess I just used a different tool than you i.e., posting in the forums.

Henu the Greatsaid:post: 1155302
This, indeed, is what a sane, sensible, and rational person does. A rational person does not stir arguments without proper research and experiment.

Hehe, my curiosity did indeed get the better of my. Next time, I will do as you have stated.

WoadWarriorsaid:post: 1155300
I mean the easiest way is to what I did.
Do the Ritual of Satan and ask if He is Zeus.
Do the for the Baalzebul and ask if He is Satan.
What happened was I felt the same energy from both Rituals which had never happened before, this confirmed they are the same being as before they had the same intensity but different feeling, that time they were literally exactly the same showing my question was heard and answered in a way I could easily understand and accept, furthermore I got a very strong positive response from Satan's sigil when I asked if He is Zeus.
You dont need to take anyones word for it, just use the tools you have been given and ask.

Oh, I didn't know that there was such a way. My curiosity did indeed get the better of me. You felt the positive energies, that's good for you. I guess I just used a different tool than you i.e., posting in the forums.

Henu the Greatsaid:post: 1155302
This, indeed, is what a sane, sensible, and rational person does. A rational person does not stir arguments without proper research and experiment.

Hehe, my curiosity did indeed get the better of my. Next time, I will do as you have stated.