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The art of Glamour - detrimental, or useful?

AvatarSoul Wings5 min to read

I think it is important to feel yourself whether you are wearing makeup or not. Many women say they feel "naked" or not themselves going out without makeup. It has become so ingrained in our routines it feels out of place without it. It has become so fiercely associated with femininity, one could almost feel out of place or even "unfeminine" without it.
The history of makeup has been quite an interesting relationship. Ancient egyptians would wear eyeliner to announce status and use it for ritual. It may have given some practical benefit to reflect the sun. Around the world, royalty and aristocracy would powder their faces paler to feel more "virgin" and "pure", or youthful. There are also tribal and spiritual connections as well.

Many argue that makeup is simply to enhance what beauty they already have. They are trying to hide the fact it is mainly used by modern women to cover imperfections or dramatically alter the appearance of one's face. Most women know this truth and men are starting to realise as well. The word "glamour" is derived from both "grammar" - study of language and literature; and "grammatica" - occult learning tacked on. The magical association with the word didn't come till 100 years later - meaning things like "enchantment", "illusiory", "romantic", "alluring", and so on.

It's not necissarily hurting anyone, so is it harmful? Well, it doesn't have to be.

I'm going to open with some personal context. I never really wore makeup growing up because not only did school not allow it, but honestly, there was no one around me to bother impressing with it. I did not have much money either, and what little I had I spent on trying to combat my acne. However, back then I had abysmally low self esteem, I would look in the mirror - if I even looked in a mirror - and cry because of how overwhelmingly ugly I felt. (I don't hate my face anymore. Zevism really changed me.)
On the odd occasion I did wear makeup to perfect my skin - I got more looks from men. It is just simple fact that I got more attention when I wore it. In fact, they would stare. Barely anybody would look at me sideways if I did not wear it. (Or at least, I did not notice.) Someone with such bad self esteem such as mine back then, would easily come to the conclusion that the "easiest" and "safest" thing to do for their tiny little broken ego... is wear makeup to feel better.
We live in a very superficial society and in many people's cases, people will literally make conversation or comments about the imperfections on your face or skin. In some extreme cases, people are shaming skin colour so badly, it's driving people to literally bleach their skin.

Or how about the "you look tired" one liner everyone loves so much.

We've all seen the "take her swimming on the first date" memes I'm sure, or the "what's under that beard?" memes in retort. There is distrust from the trend of dramatic facial alteration to conform to ideals. But the truth is, it is being perpetuated by the very people that persecute. The passive aggressiveness centred around this frustration is only adding fuel to the fire on both sides.

If we think about it - makeup has the power to make one confident, feel beautiful, perhaps even like royalty. That is almost alchemical in definition. It is a creative expression. It is incredibly artistic and an artform, a craft in itself. You could even say it is an expression of hidden aspects of ourselves. Our face is the first thing someone is going to notice, and it is the boldest statement one can make.

Makeup can be symbolic. Red lipstick was symbolic of strength and recovery from the sufferagette movement. It was used as a statement of rebellion. It even motivated house-bound women to go out and get a job just to afford it. To many, it was also a symbol of hope and cheer during/after WWI. It is still a strong statement now - more of confidence and a sexy statement. Many have said it mimics the colour lips turn when aroused and that's part of why we find it so sexy!

So there are good things and bad things. Clearly, women do need to work on foundational self esteem, this would alleviate half of the problem. I am drawing a pretty big blank here, so if you guys can help with some solutions that would be great; I think one possible solution to solving the rest of it, is to publically encourage an environment where it's okay and even sexy to show your imperfections. This particular subject is not spoken about nearly enough - especially by men, who have an extremely, extremely large influence on this (whether women will admit it or not) and almost no knowledge of the reality. Many are clueless on just how heavily this weighs on women. We are spiralling further and further into a "catfish" society and we all have to try and intervene. Snapchat and instagram is the tip of the iceberg. Real time facial projection technology is being perfected and showcased. Fuck knows what else is in store.

#67
Meteorsaid:

Since I was 3 years old.

I can't really take this anymore. As much as I try to detach myself emotionally (as I consider getting hurt by words a sign of weakness), I'm not invincible. Not to mention, several people have been very clear: "please don't talk about this topic here anymore, I find it disgusting and it makes me very uncomfortable".

I'm very sorry for bothering people with this. I understand that I have to erase my past if I want to have any chance of belonging here. Even if that won't be fully me anymore, at least it'll be part of me.

Please don't be so hard on yourself. Yes, people are getting frustrated at this issue, but also you are not the only one going through this as well. Your progress and eventual resolution of this will serve the community as a valuable lesson well into the future, and you yourself will be able to help others who are in your shoes.

Unfortunately for everyone, your issue is one that requires a significant amount of patience and understanding, more than some are willing to give. However, you cannot be undeterred here: You must be willing to take the time and effort to implement a real and spiritual solution to your gender dysphoria.

You do not need to delete your account, or erase your past, or do any modifications to your identity or body! That is the whole point! Instead, you need to harmonize all aspects of your being such that you finally become comfortable with who you are. Please try to understand this.

The above is why it is even more unfortunate that the community is reacting harshly, but that is why it is even more important for you to stay clear-headed. You aren't invincible to emotional influence, just like all of us, but that doesn't mean you cannot take a deep breath and work on true solutions, rather than being compelled to a false bandaid.

#68

I'm going to try to play a little word association game with "make-up", and "mascara". which I think, will tell a very clear picture of what we are dealing with here.

Make-up -
to invent, imagine, concoct

When you put Make-up on your face, you are making up an imaginary image of yourself. Yes it LOOKS real, but underneath it is where the TRUE image lies.

Mascara -
Mask a RAY.... (phonetically it can be interpreted as mask-a-ray...i know its pronounced as mask a RAH, but this concept known as green language interprets words phonetically.....You could also do a different interpretation with MASK-A-RA(H), which could refer to the egyptian sun God RA or RAH (in its rising form), but for this im going to use MASK-A-RAY

Mask - To cover in order to conceal, protect, or disguise. To make indistinct or difficult to perceive.
a Ray - a line in which light (and heat) may seem to stream from the sun or any luminous body, or pass through a small opening.

So to put it together:
MASK-A-RAY - cover or diguise a line in which light (and heat) may seem to stream a luminous body
In other words, you are covering the light that streams from YOUR luminous body when you put mascara on. Mask a Ray...
Some say that the eyes and face are the window to the soul, well, in this case, when a person puts make-up or mascara on, they are covering the light that streams from THEIR luminous body --- their eyes, their face....make-up/mascara can make a woman look like a completely different person with a totally different personality as well and they give anyone observing them different vibrations than if they were to be observed without make-up/mascara on.

But then you could argue the same thing with clothing....a person can give off a totally different look and personality if they are wearing, say, a suit and tie, or if they were wearing a bathing suit.....so in that sense, make-up is similar to clothing. BUT, clothing has practical utility unlike makeup. Clothing protects you from the elements....

#69
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Stormbloodsaid:

How did this turn from a topic about make-up into a topic about transgenderism and other self-delusions?

Because it was clearly derailed.

I actually enjoyed this post until now and went in to see what more I could learn from others.

Back in topic, I was wondering about Egyptian men using a small amount of make-up. Was that a fashion of the time?

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#70
Stormbloodsaid:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Stormbloodsaid:

How did this turn from a topic about make-up into a topic about transgenderism and other self-delusions?

Because it was clearly derailed.

I actually enjoyed this post until now and went in to see what more I could learn from others.

Back in topic, I was wondering about Egyptian men using a small amount of make-up. Was that a fashion of the time?

Apparently yes, and the same ways in England in the last three centuries. Even today, politicians that appear on panels etc, do use mild amounts of makeup.

#71

Isn't the word "cosmetics" derived from the Greek word for cosmos, or world? So proper cosmetics and beautification would be a way of expressing the natural patterns of the cosmos.

#72
CrossRoadsPedestriansaid:

Mask - To cover in order to conceal, protect, or disguise. To make indistinct or difficult to perceive.
a Ray - a line in which light (and heat) may seem to stream from the sun or any luminous body... , when a person puts make-up or mascara on, they are covering the light that streams from THEIR luminous body --- their eyes, their face....make-up/mascara can make a woman look like a completely different person with a totally different personality as well and they give anyone observing them different vibrations than if they were to be observed without make-up/mascara on.

I would actually interject and say that (literal) masks can also look lovely and enhance one's face even more - perhaps even add mystique to the mundane. There are also sexual connotations to masks - safety, and no judgement, in anonymity.
I am wondering if perhaps it is to do with vulnerability - feeling like there is nothing to hide when you are naked, perhaps, so too do we have the feeling that we are bearing all without makeup. To hide that we are tired, plagued by skin issues and/or sick, unhappy etc. Or perhaps to compensate the mundane with various types of artform (there are many styles of makeup).
It is strange you say that it "covers rays up like a mask" because many think it is used for enhancement, particularly of the eyes. A bit of sparkle can be used to attract attention, eyeliner or smoke for seduction and mystery, colours for vibrancy... and how strangely it is when typing this; how much it makes me think of magic.
Mascara is technically used practically put to enhance the lashes and make them look longer/more pronounced, without the use of false eyelashes (or can be used in conjuction with these to blend seamlessly). I believe this alludes to the "fluttering" of the eyelashes associated with obvious seduction and mystery. It can make one look more awake and draw more attention to the eyes. It is generally used as a finishing touch, so perhaps it is the last step of the "masking (changing?) of the rays". Many consider it the most vital step in a face of makeup, and even just mascara on the face can be considered a complete look.
I have been wondering if "as above, so below" may be applied here as well, in a way, even if it seems mundane. Perhaps, this might be why it seems so necessary after all (as this was a question in my mind). How can we express ourselves spiritually fully, if we are physically limited to "what we have" instead of "what we can create".

Shadowcatsaid:

I think persians also did this as well. certain fashions throughout the ages that are now considered feminine were dominated by men then. Even the color pink was considered a masculine color at one point.

Yes, they did. I think guyliner can look quite nice, done right. It doesn't have to be overblown or anything. It would certainly make you look different at the very least. I guess it's associated with certain stuff people don't want to be involved in, so whatever.

Many men on TV these days actually, are wearing makeup to look healthier under the lights and because TV exposes every pore and flaw in your face, they feel it is necessary. Same with most musical artists these days.

#73
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Meteorsaid:

Spirituality was never my goal, only a means. That's why there are some things we will never be able to agree on. The future and reality remain the same regardless of such petty arguments.

Meteor, I dont want to argue with you and I wasnt the part of these arguments in the first place. Just wanted to ask, what is spirituality means to?

#74
Sundarasaid:
Larissa666said:

Is lack of vanity a bad thing?

Asking for a friend. :lol:

No, but I do think people should have -something- that makes them more of a person.

My first house is empty. :-/

"You will be here as long as I am here and that is forever."

#75
Larissa666said:
Sundarasaid:
Larissa666said:

Is lack of vanity a bad thing?

Asking for a friend. :lol:

No, but I do think people should have -something- that makes them more of a person.

My first house is empty. :-/

And yet you are a very dedicated person, with lots of willpower, strive, goals and a mindset that keeps you close to Zeus and the Gods, while this also reflects in your behaviour and actions, with the highest motivation, aspirations and goals a person could set for themselves.
Your first house may be empty, but your character, heart and soul are not.

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#76
NinRicksaid:
Larissa666said:
Sundarasaid:

No, but I do think people should have -something- that makes them more of a person.

My first house is empty. :-/

And yet you are a very dedicated person, with lots of willpower, strive, goals and a mindset that keeps you close to Zeus and the Gods, while this also reflects in your behaviour and actions, with the highest motivation, aspirations and goals a person could set for themselves.
Your first house may be empty, but your character, heart and soul are not.

HAIL ZEUS!

Thank you, Brother. 😊

HAIL ZEUS!

"You will be here as long as I am here and that is forever."

#77
NinRicksaid:
Larissa666said:
Sundarasaid:

No, but I do think people should have -something- that makes them more of a person.

My first house is empty. :-/

And yet you are a very dedicated person, with lots of willpower, strive, goals and a mindset that keeps you close to Zeus and the Gods, while this also reflects in your behaviour and actions, with the highest motivation, aspirations and goals a person could set for themselves.
Your first house may be empty, but your character, heart and soul are not.

HAIL ZEUS!

This has nothing to do with planets in your first house, I haven’t looked into it but with unaspected planets a person tends to have more control over that aspect of their life and an ability to make it what they want. This could possibly be said for having an empty house. Do not qoute me on that. But, by being more of a person I mean expressing who you are to the world. Showing it.

#78
Sundarasaid:
NinRicksaid:
Larissa666said:

My first house is empty. :-/

And yet you are a very dedicated person, with lots of willpower, strive, goals and a mindset that keeps you close to Zeus and the Gods, while this also reflects in your behaviour and actions, with the highest motivation, aspirations and goals a person could set for themselves.
Your first house may be empty, but your character, heart and soul are not.

HAIL ZEUS!

This has nothing to do with planets in your first house, I haven’t looked into it but with unaspected planets a person tends to have more control over that aspect of their life and an ability to make it what they want. This could possibly be said for having an empty house. Do not qoute me on that. But, by being more of a person I mean expressing who you are to the world. Showing it.

I just wanted to tell her some nice words and how I view her. This was not really astrology related, just emotionally.

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"Don’t quit. Suffer now,
and live the rest of your life as a Champion.“

Read the Temple of Zeus: Learn the truth and knowledge that has been secret and forbidden for MILLENIA!!

STAND TALL, BE PROUD, BE STRONG, YOU ARE PART OF ZEUS‘S HOUSE!

HAIL LADY INANNA!!
HAIL LORD APOLLO!!
HAIL BAAL-ZEBULON!!
HAIL FATHER ZEUS!!

#79
Larissa666said:
NinRicksaid:
Larissa666said:

My first house is empty. :-/

And yet you are a very dedicated person, with lots of willpower, strive, goals and a mindset that keeps you close to Zeus and the Gods, while this also reflects in your behaviour and actions, with the highest motivation, aspirations and goals a person could set for themselves.
Your first house may be empty, but your character, heart and soul are not.

HAIL ZEUS!

Thank you, Brother. 😊

HAIL ZEUS!

:)

[ email redacted ]

"Don’t quit. Suffer now,
and live the rest of your life as a Champion.“

Read the Temple of Zeus: Learn the truth and knowledge that has been secret and forbidden for MILLENIA!!

STAND TALL, BE PROUD, BE STRONG, YOU ARE PART OF ZEUS‘S HOUSE!

HAIL LADY INANNA!!
HAIL LORD APOLLO!!
HAIL BAAL-ZEBULON!!
HAIL FATHER ZEUS!!

#80
NinRicksaid:
Sundarasaid:
NinRicksaid:

And yet you are a very dedicated person, with lots of willpower, strive, goals and a mindset that keeps you close to Zeus and the Gods, while this also reflects in your behaviour and actions, with the highest motivation, aspirations and goals a person could set for themselves.
Your first house may be empty, but your character, heart and soul are not.

HAIL ZEUS!

This has nothing to do with planets in your first house, I haven’t looked into it but with unaspected planets a person tends to have more control over that aspect of their life and an ability to make it what they want. This could possibly be said for having an empty house. Do not qoute me on that. But, by being more of a person I mean expressing who you are to the world. Showing it.

I just wanted to tell her some nice words and how I view her. This was not really astrology related, just emotionally.

Oh I was mainly replying to her, your words are fine. Astrology alone doesn’t define us, we also define our astrology. Same with DNA. It’s incredible how much of our DNA affects who we are, but we also effect it.

#81
Sundarasaid:
NinRicksaid:
Sundarasaid:

This has nothing to do with planets in your first house, I haven’t looked into it but with unaspected planets a person tends to have more control over that aspect of their life and an ability to make it what they want. This could possibly be said for having an empty house. Do not qoute me on that. But, by being more of a person I mean expressing who you are to the world. Showing it.

I just wanted to tell her some nice words and how I view her. This was not really astrology related, just emotionally.

Oh I was mainly replying to her, your words are fine. Astrology alone doesn’t define us, we also define our astrology. Same with DNA. It’s incredible how much of our DNA affects who we are, but we also effect it.

Yes this is very true.
While usually the DNA of people doesn’t change throughout their lifetime (except with highly spiritual people), your epigenetics can chance, and by this, you express your genetics in a different way (healthier for example, where you stop showing signs of inherited sickness etc).
But I am sure the Serpent heals the DNA fully, and completely.

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"Don’t quit. Suffer now,
and live the rest of your life as a Champion.“

Read the Temple of Zeus: Learn the truth and knowledge that has been secret and forbidden for MILLENIA!!

STAND TALL, BE PROUD, BE STRONG, YOU ARE PART OF ZEUS‘S HOUSE!

HAIL LADY INANNA!!
HAIL LORD APOLLO!!
HAIL BAAL-ZEBULON!!
HAIL FATHER ZEUS!!