I would like to skip the details concerning this and ask my question in black and white. When members on this egroup mention speaking with demons, or astral projecting themselves.. Do you actually see the demons in the physical world, or in your mind (astral temple)? i want to go through the 6 month training on the site but i also need more of an answer than, "do what you feel is best". id rather know there is something more than just seeing it in your mind. ive spent 4 years searching, need answers. thanks in advance - josh