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Receiving Help From The Gods: Is It An Exchange?

AvatarHigh Priest Zevios Metathronos6 min to read
Chialodsaid:

Hello, I would like to tell you a long story as short as I can. I had a girlfriend, her family is very conservative and her family learned about our situation, unfortunately we had to break up after that. This happened 1 year ago. At that time, I wouldn't interrupt my meditations, yoga and Ritual's. Then I want fix this situation. I wanted to cast a spell for her, but at that moment I thought that my spiritual power could not do such a complicated spell, because I had to gain the consent of her family, they hated me, so it was very difficult to change their minds. I decided to get help from the zeus I did a h standard ritual for help me for this situation, so I wanted the girl to come back to me and continue our relationship from where we left off. It must be August at that time, I did 250 Ritual in total for 2 months and I participated in all war calendars, I also did extra Rituals. of course Since my request was a bit complicated, I wanted to give an equal response, even though I kept promise and did all my Ritual, during which time i gave extra focus to my spirituality, meditations etc. almost 8-9 hours a day was just meditation Ritual and other things (by the way, from this event) I stated in my standard rite that I take responsibility for all things that may occur due to it. 2 months later when I came across this things ended in the worst possible way and even the girl's family sued me and I'm still dealing with these cases it really ended in the worst possible way and since then I would do the standard ritual and ask the zeus why he didn't help me Because I kept promise and I was doing everything carefully, but the result was like this, so it's really over with the worst that could happen, now I'm asking you all my hard work was wasted I was broken and lived away from the Zevism until now, I distracted myself for months without meditation and Ritual, but if I decide to come back now, it is not possible for me to renew my faith in the zeus without getting an answer to this question, I can answer any questions. Thanks in advance for the answers (Sorry for bad translate i tried my best for this complicated situation)

The correlation that since we do Spiritual Warfare or some obligation [which is for our own collective future and yes, the Gods appreciate this and take one seriously] does not mean that you will not undergo negative or even excessively negative events in life.

Exchanging service for penance is not how this works. There is way more to life than this.

This false presupposition is simply unreal, and is rooted on enemy religions. Yes, the Gods are going to help people, and they will provide you the necessary tools to help yourself above all.

How you will use your power and free will is however resting in your own hands.

These events have to do with our choices, our souls and our outlook of existence. Sometimes, they only have to do with others and their own unattended garbage. With more and more development, we can just navigate these blows of life more and more, or at least make our life and our experience easier, but these never really go "away".

This is why we build spiritual powers based on the teachings of the Gods, so that we are able to navigate these situations. They will happen in everyone's life and there is no avoiding this. That is also why it's emphasized in Zevism to be strong, be ready for black magick, have a justice oriented mind etc. Because life's rules are life's rules.

Asking help from the Gods provides help and guidance, but these erupt and these are inscribed and karmic inside, ie, other beings can alter these only so far.

Instead of asking yourself why the relationship should not continue, which is a valid lesson or thing to ask in itself, you can also ask yourself how more worse it could have went if continued. It appears you forcing this to continue has caused an array of problems in itself and that the people of the other side aren't people who want to live without problems either.

Certain toxic relationships only keep increasing in toxicity, until the people in them are destroyed. None of the Gods would help a person destroy themselves.

Personally, there are quite a few things I have asked for help from the Gods, and what I wanted especially in the early years was the absolute most negative choice or outcome for my own life. Due to a small mind, we cannot comprehend this and it might take years to comprehend.

Gods provide quality help but above all help through giving understanding. Eventually then you become happier and more attained than simply when one gets what they "want".

If one asked for example the Gods for help in getting a fix of heroin, they would not receive any help. In fact, they might show the person necessary events to even deter them from this decision.

Of course most people only want to do what "they want" and in this case we are on our own in making our negative choices. We hurt over not getting what we "wanted" yet when things go wrong, who assists in something is the person that receives every complaint.

For example, you "wanted" to go after the said person at all costs even after probably, as I gather from your post, you have been called off by them. You didn't take no for an answer at all, and this escalated into further and further problems until even the law got involved because of the girl's puritan parents.

As the situation sounds obsessive on both sides, it could be even worse.

The Gods do provide a different form of help here which is indirect, which is showing you the proper way to walk your existence in contrast to merely going after your wants. Knowing what one wants and cutting losses is also a necessary part of life, albeit the part where people hate the most.

The best way to proceed with said desire, if you still want this or are after this, is that you could do a working instead that you two are finally together. You also have that choice but that doesn't look like it was any good until now. However, the more we do mistakes in a situation, the more difficult it is to turn the situation around.

Do not sacrifice your path because of negative events or obstacles that come in your way, because it's simply not worth it. The obstacles can also frequently be highly internal - repressed desires, a stuck mind, lies we want to tell ourselves, the list goes.

In closing, be aware that this is not an exchange and it must not be treated in a gross way of payments such as trying to pay one's desire out with Rituals, praise or whatever. The relationship with the Gods extends way beyond this.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

#20

Many people also delude themselves that the signs that the Gods might send are sufficient to communicate and relate to them and then they imagine things.

#21

The way I see it, we are all volunteers here

Even the ranks and economic growth of said members, everyone is hear following his passion
while serving humanity and the Gods, in a sense, and ultimately himself.

Άβε Δϊα πατέρα ανθρωπότης

#22

I remember once a god helped me to save my familiar dog, I ask him what could I do for him with the ouija and he told me "open your heart"

That's the kind of things they ask in exchange when they do things for me, that's why I follow them

By and by I say my opinion. Sometimes i might make mistakes, but is always with good will.

De vez en cuando digo mi opinion. A veces puedo equivocarme, pero siempre es con buena intencion.

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Be patient with what you know is coming. Trust in Satya.

Se paciente con lo que sabes que viene. Confia en Satya.

#23

This is an amazing post! Honestly I think everyone can understand the challenges of losing someone because of their toxic parents. This toxicity bleeds into said person and can make the relationship extremely volatile and challenging.
There is no sense on sacrificing one's self for the sake of another. Relationships in my view should have balance and equal efforts given. If you give 110% and the other person only gives 50% then it's time to re-evaluate the situation.

It's sad and it largely may not be her fault, yet there are times in life where we can't get what we want. The Gods perhaps knew that this relationship would only lead to further suffering. Love is complex that way in that it brings us profound joy while the compounding negative aspects are often minimized, ignored, suppressed and hidden. It's only when they affect the relationship that they become acknowledged, which (at times) can be too late, such as in this case.

If I were this person who tried all I could I'd probably ask Satan for guidance, do some tarot readings and then decide what the best approach is. It's difficult but we must always be cool and calculating. Never let your emotions or thoughts control you; instead, seek to control them. As well, we must constantly communicate our thoughts and feelings with our partner/spouse. The key to any successful relationship is complete transparency and joint efforts on constant improvement. Eventually people who are truly in love know each other almost better than they know themselves. You can often see this in older people who were married for 30+ years. Often they're comfortable being blunt and critical of each other yet this is done in a loving and comical way in spite of how it looks. Television has perverted this whereby everyone is constantly sensitive and offended by everything. Watch older shows like "Married with Children" and you'll see how our modern culture has been pacified.

It's like they say - honesty is the best policy. Being honest to your partner is important but you first need to be honest with yourself.

#24

A few years ago, when I was new, I did a formal ritual to summon Dantalian and ask him for help with a girl I liked at the time. Throughout the next month, I found myself with my mind rewired, He completely changed my mindset making me find myself and getting in touch with my true feelings and desires, of course in the meantime i had completely forgotten about the girl, as it was obviously just a delusion.

#25

Yeah it's a bit strange I want to offer something in return always they kind of say thank you but really just work on you like the gods are gods like what could a mortal possibly offer them which they do not already have or can gain on their own literally nothing.

They encourage you to go down paths to be more like them but that's as far as it goes I have become good friends with about half of them in this lifetime and I enjoy their company as I know they enjoy mine too.

I really enjoy doing things like the shenu ring ritual as this is a way we can give back but if it's just little old me trying to make a shenu ring for a God or even a coven of 13 witches then this doesn't have a lot of power when we did the shenu for satan 10,000s of witches contributed to this so it's actually was a way of giving back but obviously we can not do this everytime one of us wants something otherwise we would never stop doing shenu ring rituals.

I also prefer to do this thing called show me how to do something rather then doing it for me is much more rewarding and yes they will watch you attempt what you are trying to do and they will if it's for a good cause and they deem it worthy or the right time they will occasionally help you get it over the line.

I however do sympathise with your situation my girl left me recently as she has come from highly abusive relationships she is a hell soul like us she was openly talking to anubis and satan before she even heard of joy of satan she was a long time childhood friend like as if the gods made us to be together like to the level where you would actually ask if the gods were taking the piss like as if they thought it would be a great joke to make these two so perfect for each other.

Anyway fast forward 18 years and we were together for about 3 months and she said she couldn't handle being with me because I was way too good to her and that she was still dealing with crap from the last relationship (I did pretty much steal her from a relationship so this was fair enough to say) so we broke apart and the gods just tell me and keep telling me just give her time she will come back when she is ready in the mean time im working on my body and my business my 2 big focuses for the year is starting my own business and getting the Greek God body physique I'm probably about 6 months worth of training away from the physique it will be wicked to look like the gods and then have her come back and be like woah check this guy out.

If she really loves you she will come back while you can force these things time heals all wounds use this time to work on yourself rather then obssessing over a girl

"None of you know me here but you will"

#26

HP. Zevios Metathronos I am confused little bit about sublimation. Is affects badly my spiritual path or my life if my surname is Korian and it is similar to koran… and I have question concerning love spell - how can I apply this on women who’s name I don’t know but I have seen her few times?

#27
TerKorian666said:

HP. Zevios Metathronos I am confused little bit about sublimation. Is affects badly my spiritual path or my life if my surname is Korian and it is similar to koran… and I have question concerning love spell - how can I apply this on women who’s name I don’t know but I have seen her few times?

Your surname has nothing to do with your spiritual path.
Also you can try just imaginening the woman when doing magic, or ask her for her name

#28
#29
TerKorian666said:

HP. Zevios Metathronos I am confused little bit about sublimation. Is affects badly my spiritual path or my life if my surname is Korian and it is similar to koran… and I have question concerning love spell - how can I apply this on women who’s name I don’t know but I have seen her few times?

I dont think your name can negatively affect your life, unless you've convinced yourself it can. In which case you should do void to learn to banish those thoughts and clean everyday

As for the love spell, why would you want to attract someone into a love relationship that you dont even know? What if it works and you find you hate her personality? This can cause issues

Id suggest to instead go to Azazel's astrology, get the 2022 calendar for your time zone and do a Gebo working to attract a perfect partner the next optimal date

could go something like Gebo x40

"The powerful energies of Gebo are now attracting my perfect romantic partner to me as fast as possible, in a safe and positive way" x4, 8 or 9 for 40 or 80 days

Then you dont have to worry about anything negative coming of your working. It may need to be done a couple times depending on your level of concentration and power and how long you choose to do it but it will work

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

- Arthur Schopenhauer

ToZ rituals. Become closer to the Gods:

Participate in outreach and bring more people into the light of the Gods: https://ancient-forums.com/threads/about-vultus-templorum-outreach.298138/

#30

There are just some things you cannot (and do not need to) change. I feel like everything happens for a reason.
Maybe Chia's energy would be better spent pursuing another path as I suspect they are meant to.
Breakups suck. It feels like grieving even. I had one breakup where I spent months pretty grief stricken. So if you're reading Chia.... please grieve, let out the emotions, cry, get angry, scream it's unfair to the world, whatever you have to do. Take the time that you need, be safe, and move on.

#31

Hablando de amores imposibles, yo tengo tres hombres atravesados, uno que tengo desde los 22 años y tengo 35 años ahorita
y no andamos por el momento, pero he estado con este 13 años con este hombre y es puritano, a mí me gustaba mucho y en la actuaidad me gusta ya menos por tanto tiempo que llevamos él y yo tenemos 8 años de diferencia y lo sigo amando a pesar
de que se ha puesto feo a mi mama y a mi papá no le agradan por lo mismo que es clase baja...
Y pues le sigo hablando y ya me había propuesto matrimonio y queríamos tener hijos y todavía no nos casamos desde hace 4 años que me lo propuso pero es un hombre pobre y no se ha podido para pagar una boda al menos en civil u ortodoxa...bueno
ahorita sigo con esa idea de darle hijos pero ahorita amo a otro segundo hombre que vive en un lugar abandonado y ando con él pero se me atravesó y no sé porque se me incrusta tanto ser de luz porque el anterior es ortodoxo y este es que de mente universal y es ser de luz y no le agradan mis cosas diabolicas pero me las respeta igual que el otro me respetan, pero el problema es en especial que tnego obsesion por los tres que el otro es un dueño de una vivienda del que me enamoré y es un devota y creyente de jesucristo y no quiero compartir cosas intimas pero no sé qué hacer porque yo tengo una enfermedad sexual y nunca he tenido relaciones en mi vida estoy como sedienta de tener algo con alguien pero ya entré en deseos de tres hombres que jamas se me ha dado la oportunidad tengo una enfermedad sexual muy grave y me duele y nunca puedo estar en intimidad con nadie estoy frustrada! y ya se me juntaron ellos 3, pero estoy cargada de puro ser de luz seres de ese tonto. En síntesis, tengo problemas con la sexualidad y problemas con la fidelidad, si uno ve que tengo hijos con otro me va a mandar al carajo y también lo amo, otro que es casado (el tercero) y quiero separarlo de su pareja pero mi carga pesada es el de tener hijos con el primer mencionado por desgracia nunca he estado con ningun pagano como yo que me guste.

#32
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

The best way to proceed with said desire, if you still want this or are after this, is that you could do a working instead that you two are finally together. You also have that choice but that doesn't look like it was any good until now. However, the more we do mistakes in a situation, the more difficult it is to turn the situation around.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

Can you tell me which working I should do for relationship issues brother? I'm barely hanging on after my best friend, mother to my kids and lover have decided to quit trying with me altogether. The past year we've already been living apart but still seeing each other somewhat regularly and still had a sexual relationship as well. But now she has said she doesn't wanna try anymore and I'm completely devastated. I never imagined being with anyone else and I can't. I don't want to be alone the rest of my life. It's probably because I did minimal work on bettering myself the past year and I also fell off my advancement and even basic cleansing and protection schedule. Only made a couple ritual schedules as well and minimal Rituals due to my overwhelming depression. I'm sure it's mostly my fault and I'm probably fucked but if there's a working to help I have to try it. She's everything to me along with my kids. I've started back cleansing and protecting as of yesterday even though I can barely even muster up the ability to eat and do basic daily functions. I really hope there's a working that can help me... I'm lost and have never felt so hopeless in my entire life.

#33
This is the targeted message.

I got help from a guardian and he lead me to the truth and im not even allowed to talk about it.

I guess everyone has their own path and truth to find.

#34
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Chialodsaid:

Hello, I would like to tell you a long story as short as I can. I had a girlfriend, her family is very conservative and her family learned about our situation, unfortunately we had to break up after that. This happened 1 year ago. At that time, I wouldn't interrupt my meditations, yoga and Ritual's. Then I want fix this situation. I wanted to cast a spell for her, but at that moment I thought that my spiritual power could not do such a complicated spell, because I had to gain the consent of her family, they hated me, so it was very difficult to change their minds. I decided to get help from the satan, I did a h standard ritual for help me for this situation, so I wanted the girl to come back to me and continue our relationship from where we left off. It must be August at that time, I did 250 Ritual in total for 2 months and I participated in all war calendars, I also did extra Rituals. of course Since my request was a bit complicated, I wanted to give an equal response, even though I kept promise and did all my Ritual, during which time i gave extra focus to my spirituality, meditations etc. almost 8-9 hours a day was just meditation Ritual and other things (by the way, from this event) I stated in my standard rite that I take responsibility for all things that may occur due to it. 2 months later when I came across this things ended in the worst possible way and even the girl's family sued me and I'm still dealing with these cases it really ended in the worst possible way and since then I would do the standard ritual and ask the satan why he didn't help me Because I kept promise and I was doing everything carefully, but the result was like this, so it's really over with the worst that could happen, now I'm asking you all my hard work was wasted I was broken and lived away from the Zevism until now, I distracted myself for months without meditation and Ritual, but if I decide to come back now, it is not possible for me to renew my faith in the satan without getting an answer to this question, I can answer any questions. Thanks in advance for the answers (Sorry for bad translate i tried my best for this complicated situation)

The correlation that since we do Spiritual Warfare or some obligation [which is for our own collective future and yes, the Gods appreciate this and take one seriously] does not mean that you will not undergo negative or even excessively negative events in life.

Exchanging service for penance is not how this works. There is way more to life than this.

https://youtu.be/zMbvUyRa1Jw
HP this song is how you make me feel every time i get upset throw my tantrums, bad mouth you and stuff but you have a soft heart i see and care and alwys have room to understand in a way that is heart warming to me.I can feel you i mean you sometimes don't talk but i feel a connection with you.

#35
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Chialodsaid:

Hello, I would like to tell you a long story as short as I can. I had a girlfriend, her family is very conservative and her family learned about our situation, unfortunately we had to break up after that. This happened 1 year ago. At that time, I wouldn't interrupt my meditations, yoga and Ritual's. Then I want fix this situation. I wanted to cast a spell for her, but at that moment I thought that my spiritual power could not do such a complicated spell, because I had to gain the consent of her family, they hated me, so it was very difficult to change their minds. I decided to get help from the satan, I did a h standard ritual for help me for this situation, so I wanted the girl to come back to me and continue our relationship from where we left off. It must be August at that time, I did 250 Ritual in total for 2 months and I participated in all war calendars, I also did extra Rituals. of course Since my request was a bit complicated, I wanted to give an equal response, even though I kept promise and did all my Ritual, during which time i gave extra focus to my spirituality, meditations etc. almost 8-9 hours a day was just meditation Ritual and other things (by the way, from this event) I stated in my standard rite that I take responsibility for all things that may occur due to it. 2 months later when I came across this things ended in the worst possible way and even the girl's family sued me and I'm still dealing with these cases it really ended in the worst possible way and since then I would do the standard ritual and ask the satan why he didn't help me Because I kept promise and I was doing everything carefully, but the result was like this, so it's really over with the worst that could happen, now I'm asking you all my hard work was wasted I was broken and lived away from the Zevism until now, I distracted myself for months without meditation and Ritual, but if I decide to come back now, it is not possible for me to renew my faith in the satan without getting an answer to this question, I can answer any questions. Thanks in advance for the answers (Sorry for bad translate i tried my best for this complicated situation)

The correlation that since we do Spiritual Warfare or some obligation [which is for our own collective future and yes, the Gods appreciate this and take one seriously] does not mean that you will not undergo negative or even excessively negative events in life.

Exchanging service for penance is not how this works. There is way more to life than this.

https://youtu.be/zMbvUyRa1Jw
HP this song is how you make me feel every time i get upset throw my tantrums, bad mouth you and stuff but you have a soft heart i see and care and alwys have room to understand in a way that is heart warming to me.I can feel you i mean you sometimes don't talk but i feel a connection with you.

or maby my guardian acting as you jot sure

#36
Goast-The Lone Wolfsaid:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

The best way to proceed with said desire, if you still want this or are after this, is that you could do a working instead that you two are finally together. You also have that choice but that doesn't look like it was any good until now. However, the more we do mistakes in a situation, the more difficult it is to turn the situation around.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

Can you tell me which working I should do for relationship issues brother? I'm barely hanging on after my best friend, mother to my kids and lover have decided to quit trying with me altogether. The past year we've already been living apart but still seeing each other somewhat regularly and still had a sexual relationship as well. But now she has said she doesn't wanna try anymore and I'm completely devastated. I never imagined being with anyone else and I can't. I don't want to be alone the rest of my life. It's probably because I did minimal work on bettering myself the past year and I also fell off my advancement and even basic cleansing and protection schedule. Only made a couple ritual schedules as well and minimal Rituals due to my overwhelming depression. I'm sure it's mostly my fault and I'm probably fucked but if there's a working to help I have to try it. She's everything to me along with my kids. I've started back cleansing and protecting as of yesterday even though I can barely even muster up the ability to eat and do basic daily functions. I really hope there's a working that can help me... I'm lost and have never felt so hopeless in my entire life.

I am sorry for displaying such weakness here brothers and sisters. As a Spiritual Satanist I should be stronger then that. Fuck that stupid bitch I don't need her. This realization hit me hard today as I finally decided to skip the alcohol after being on a 2 week bender and got back to lifting weights which is one of my favorite passions. I love getting myself stronger and can't believe I let another person weaken me so much. I lost sight of who I was temporarily but NEVER again. Heading full speed ahead back onto the path of advancement and physical training. She'll be sorry she decided to leave eventually but I won't. I don't know if it was the strength of Satan his self that finally snapped me out of it or my guardian demon or little bit of both because I'm not advanced enough yet to know for sure but I am grateful for it nonetheless. Anyone else that might be reading this and going through similar situation I want you to know you can get through to the other side and ANYONE willing to walk out of your life isn't worth chasing. Fuck em and let em go.

HAIL ZEUS AND THE GODS AND GODDESSES OF HELL!