Questions concerning visualization

[hankandrews66]

First of all let me say this: The Spiritual warfare manual is a work of genius and I have not yet found anything better on Magic available, with the exception of Bardon's enemy-tainted work.
One of the issues I have continuously found in my Magic work however, is that I am relatively bad at visualizing. What I mean by that is, that I simply cannot get enough light around me. I can see things, for example if I trace a pentagram in my mind or write something, it is legible. That said, the intensity of the "white" astral light that I use to draw on the black background is not very strong.
What methods do you guys recommend to enhance the intensity of the color?
This also causes trouble when I try to visualize myself engulfed in different colors or when visualizing the chakras. I have however created a multitude of magical effects in my life so far, so there definitely is an effect, but it usually comes with a delay and usually not as strong as I want it to be.
Do I simply need to go into a deeper trance? Or do I not have enough Pranic energy?

 

[Shannon Outlaw]

The thing is, everyone can visualize. Don't take magical visualization too seriously to the point where there is strain, relaxation is key. This has helped me a lot. I realized that when I was relaxed and didn't focus too hard on the details, the visualization came easier.
A satanist once told me that i shouldn't try to visualize too hard and that I must pretend and know within my mind that within your visualization, the details have already been handled.
Also as for visualizing white light around yourself, others have had this problem too. It helps to be around sun light or any kind of brilliant light to aid in the imaging of light. Eventually it will get easier. When I was new I would stare at the intensity of a candle flame and imagine that light around me.
When a person imagines or thinks about the sun, we all know and see it as bright but when you try to focus on all the details and sort of "Zoom" into it, that is when it gets difficult. Hail our Creator God Satan.

On Monday, February 23, 2015 10:36 PM, "hankandrews66@... [HellsArmy666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  First of all let me say this: The Spiritual warfare manual is a work of genius and I have not yet found anything better on Magic available, with the exception of Bardon's enemy-tainted work.
One of the issues I have continuously found in my Magic work however, is that I am relatively bad at visualizing. What I mean by that is, that I simply cannot get enough light around me. I can see things, for example if I trace a pentagram in my mind or write something, it is legible. That said, the intensity of the "white" astral light that I use to draw on the black background is not very strong.
What methods do you guys recommend to enhance the intensity of the color?
This also causes trouble when I try to visualize myself engulfed in different colors or when visualizing the chakras. I have however created a multitude of magical effects in my life so far, so there definitely is an effect, but it usually comes with a delay and usually not as strong as I want it to be.
Do I simply need to go into a deeper trance? Or do I not have enough Pranic energy?

 

[Vib Triple]

Hail Shannon,
Thanks a lot for your information and I do agree. That said I am currently studying Bardon's works with a specific focus on Initiation into Hermetics. My goal is to become a spiritual warfare expert and I must become good enough to literally see the visualizations in front of me as if they were actually there materially. That is what Bardon describes. According to him, you can actually manifest your visualizations if they are strong enough, by imbuing them with the Earth element.
So I guess I will simply have to sit down for hours on end, visualizing stuff until it finally appears. I am ready to do that just to see if it works. 
As for your other information on working with the planetary squares: THANKS A LOT!!!!
I will get started tomorrow on the Mercury square and am going to do it for 64 days.
Since you asked for the reason, I am balancing out my natal chart. In addition to that I am breathing in elements to balance out my natal chart and what Bardon calls the soul mirror. 
HAIL SATANx666

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 4:03 PM, "Shannon Outlaw soutlaw92@... [HellsArmy666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  The thing is, everyone can visualize. Don't take magical visualization too seriously to the point where there is strain, relaxation is key. This has helped me a lot. I realized that when I was relaxed and didn't focus too hard on the details, the visualization came easier.
A satanist once told me that i shouldn't try to visualize too hard and that I must pretend and know within my mind that within your visualization, the details have already been handled.
Also as for visualizing white light around yourself, others have had this problem too. It helps to be around sun light or any kind of brilliant light to aid in the imaging of light. Eventually it will get easier. When I was new I would stare at the intensity of a candle flame and imagine that light around me.
When a person imagines or thinks about the sun, we all know and see it as bright but when you try to focus on all the details and sort of "Zoom" into it, that is when it gets difficult. Hail our Creator God Satan.

On Monday, February 23, 2015 10:36 PM, "hankandrews66@... [HellsArmy666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  First of all let me say this: The Spiritual warfare manual is a work of genius and I have not yet found anything better on Magic available, with the exception of Bardon's enemy-tainted work.
One of the issues I have continuously found in my Magic work however, is that I am relatively bad at visualizing. What I mean by that is, that I simply cannot get enough light around me. I can see things, for example if I trace a pentagram in my mind or write something, it is legible. That said, the intensity of the "white" astral light that I use to draw on the black background is not very strong.
What methods do you guys recommend to enhance the intensity of the color?
This also causes trouble when I try to visualize myself engulfed in different colors or when visualizing the chakras. I have however created a multitude of magical effects in my life so far, so there definitely is an effect, but it usually comes with a delay and usually not as strong as I want it to be.
Do I simply need to go into a deeper trance? Or do I not have enough Pranic energy?

 

[Shannon Outlaw]

I am reading initiation into Hermetics as well. Great read. 
I don't know if your post came up late but make sure to do the Mercury square on Wednesdays. 
I am going to do the Mars square this Tuesday to balance my self out too as well as elemental balancing.I have started looking more into the spiritual warfare training manual to practice specific exercises.
Your ambition is very refreshing  Hail our Creator God Satan.



On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 11:00 PM, "Vib Triple vibratingtriplesix@... [HellsArmy666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  Hail Shannon,
Thanks a lot for your information and I do agree. That said I am currently studying Bardon's works with a specific focus on Initiation into Hermetics. My goal is to become a spiritual warfare expert and I must become good enough to literally see the visualizations in front of me as if they were actually there materially. That is what Bardon describes. According to him, you can actually manifest your visualizations if they are strong enough, by imbuing them with the Earth element.
So I guess I will simply have to sit down for hours on end, visualizing stuff until it finally appears. I am ready to do that just to see if it works. 
As for your other information on working with the planetary squares: THANKS A LOT!!!!
I will get started tomorrow on the Mercury square and am going to do it for 64 days.
Since you asked for the reason, I am balancing out my natal chart. In addition to that I am breathing in elements to balance out my natal chart and what Bardon calls the soul mirror. 
HAIL SATANx666

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 4:03 PM, "Shannon Outlaw soutlaw92@... [HellsArmy666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  The thing is, everyone can visualize. Don't take magical visualization too seriously to the point where there is strain, relaxation is key. This has helped me a lot. I realized that when I was relaxed and didn't focus too hard on the details, the visualization came easier.
A satanist once told me that i shouldn't try to visualize too hard and that I must pretend and know within my mind that within your visualization, the details have already been handled.
Also as for visualizing white light around yourself, others have had this problem too. It helps to be around sun light or any kind of brilliant light to aid in the imaging of light. Eventually it will get easier. When I was new I would stare at the intensity of a candle flame and imagine that light around me.
When a person imagines or thinks about the sun, we all know and see it as bright but when you try to focus on all the details and sort of "Zoom" into it, that is when it gets difficult. Hail our Creator God Satan.

On Monday, February 23, 2015 10:36 PM, "hankandrews66@... [HellsArmy666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  First of all let me say this: The Spiritual warfare manual is a work of genius and I have not yet found anything better on Magic available, with the exception of Bardon's enemy-tainted work.
One of the issues I have continuously found in my Magic work however, is that I am relatively bad at visualizing. What I mean by that is, that I simply cannot get enough light around me. I can see things, for example if I trace a pentagram in my mind or write something, it is legible. That said, the intensity of the "white" astral light that I use to draw on the black background is not very strong.
What methods do you guys recommend to enhance the intensity of the color?
This also causes trouble when I try to visualize myself engulfed in different colors or when visualizing the chakras. I have however created a multitude of magical effects in my life so far, so there definitely is an effect, but it usually comes with a delay and usually not as strong as I want it to be.
Do I simply need to go into a deeper trance? Or do I not have enough Pranic energy?

 

[ikager]

Shannon, good to see you! It's funny you mention balancing yourself, because I was asking my guardian earlier this week about adding more water element to myself (I operate mostly on the masculine side of my soul, but I want to strengthen the feminine side for stronger psychism/intuition so they can balance out), and I also decided to start the Mars square . Natal Mars in Pisces isn't exactly a thriving position, you know? I love the energy it gives me. Do you think that water element helps strengthen visualization? Because of its connection to psychic sense. I've never worked with it before, but I think I'm being told that water and earth will really help me right now.

 

[Vib Triple]

I started the Mercury square yesterday during the hour of Mercury (obviously). 
Thanks a lot for recommending that.
My visualization has improved. I am visualizing a wall clock with a pendulum, together with the sound it makes and the way it feels. It is not quite 100% there yet but I will get there. I find that singular small objects are now a lot easier to visualize than before. I used to struggle with a fork, now it's pretty easy and it actually becomes visible even with open eyes.
What I struggle with is the astrological sun sigil. The circle with the dot in the center. I have an easier time visualizing Satan's sigil than the circle although it is a more complex shape. After thinking about this issue for some time I figured out why: There are not a lot of people who can draw a perfect circle without a compass even on the material plane. So I first conjure up a compass and then use it to draw the circle astrally. That way I can get the circle done. To then place the dot in the center and hold it there is what I currently find most difficult.
Concerning Bardon: I also recommend his book Frabato as a motivator. It has some interesting little details such as that it is preferable to only use candle light when evoking spirits, as opposed to any electrical light. The reason being according to Bardon, that the frequency of electric light can be disturbing to the manifestation of the spirit.
Out of interest: Is it possible to use the Mars / Saturn squares to curse an enemy? I am currently in a difficult period due to the fact that before I found JOS I did a Saturn ritual inspired by some numbnut wanna be Satanist. My life literally took very strange turns right after that, including the fact that it attracted a criminal who attempted to ruin me. I was also unaware that I could purify my chakras back then. I am a little weary with Saturn these days...
HAIL SATAN 


On Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:15 PM, "Shannon Outlaw soutlaw92@... [HellsArmy666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  I am reading initiation into Hermetics as well. Great read. 
I don't know if your post came up late but make sure to do the Mercury square on Wednesdays. 
I am going to do the Mars square this Tuesday to balance my self out too as well as elemental balancing.I have started looking more into the spiritual warfare training manual to practice specific exercises.
Your ambition is very refreshing  Hail our Creator God Satan.



On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 11:00 PM, "Vib Triple vibratingtriplesix@... [HellsArmy666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  Hail Shannon,
Thanks a lot for your information and I do agree. That said I am currently studying Bardon's works with a specific focus on Initiation into Hermetics. My goal is to become a spiritual warfare expert and I must become good enough to literally see the visualizations in front of me as if they were actually there materially. That is what Bardon describes. According to him, you can actually manifest your visualizations if they are strong enough, by imbuing them with the Earth element.
So I guess I will simply have to sit down for hours on end, visualizing stuff until it finally appears. I am ready to do that just to see if it works. 
As for your other information on working with the planetary squares: THANKS A LOT!!!!
I will get started tomorrow on the Mercury square and am going to do it for 64 days.
Since you asked for the reason, I am balancing out my natal chart. In addition to that I am breathing in elements to balance out my natal chart and what Bardon calls the soul mirror. 
HAIL SATANx666

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 4:03 PM, "Shannon Outlaw soutlaw92@... [HellsArmy666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  The thing is, everyone can visualize. Don't take magical visualization too seriously to the point where there is strain, relaxation is key. This has helped me a lot. I realized that when I was relaxed and didn't focus too hard on the details, the visualization came easier.
A satanist once told me that i shouldn't try to visualize too hard and that I must pretend and know within my mind that within your visualization, the details have already been handled.
Also as for visualizing white light around yourself, others have had this problem too. It helps to be around sun light or any kind of brilliant light to aid in the imaging of light. Eventually it will get easier. When I was new I would stare at the intensity of a candle flame and imagine that light around me.
When a person imagines or thinks about the sun, we all know and see it as bright but when you try to focus on all the details and sort of "Zoom" into it, that is when it gets difficult. Hail our Creator God Satan.

On Monday, February 23, 2015 10:36 PM, "hankandrews66@... [HellsArmy666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  First of all let me say this: The Spiritual warfare manual is a work of genius and I have not yet found anything better on Magic available, with the exception of Bardon's enemy-tainted work.
One of the issues I have continuously found in my Magic work however, is that I am relatively bad at visualizing. What I mean by that is, that I simply cannot get enough light around me. I can see things, for example if I trace a pentagram in my mind or write something, it is legible. That said, the intensity of the "white" astral light that I use to draw on the black background is not very strong.
What methods do you guys recommend to enhance the intensity of the color?
This also causes trouble when I try to visualize myself engulfed in different colors or when visualizing the chakras. I have however created a multitude of magical effects in my life so far, so there definitely is an effect, but it usually comes with a delay and usually not as strong as I want it to be.
Do I simply need to go into a deeper trance? Or do I not have enough Pranic energy?

 

[Shannon Outlaw]

@ Ikager Hi! Good to hear from you, Sister.
Well, your guardian definitely knows what you need to work on than I do. But, You can definitely try using water for balance but try to go steadily. I over invoked fire and earth last year and it was an unpleasant experience and so i had to invoke the opposite elements just to bring my self to balance again. I started to experience physical side effects...
Is it just water you are weak in? if I were you I would invoke water and see how it makes you feel and look more into your chart to see if it is just water that is lacking. You can try the water and see if it improves your psychic self but if you really want to strengthen your psychic and feminine side then work on your psychic centers and upper chakras as well as regular visualization exercises and void meditation. Power meditation as a whole strengthens and balances the masculine and feminine parts of the soul. Go ahead and try the water invoking.is good just make sure the moon isn't void. it will be void for my area Tuesday so i will have to wait for Tuesday after next. My Mars is square Neptune and so it is needed for me as well.



On Saturday, February 28, 2015 7:48 PM, "ikager@... [HellsArmy666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  Shannon, good to see you! It's funny you mention balancing yourself, because I was asking my guardian earlier this week about adding more water element to myself (I operate mostly on the masculine side of my soul, but I want to strengthen the feminine side for stronger psychism/intuition so they can balance out), and I also decided to start the Mars square . Natal Mars in Pisces isn't exactly a thriving position, you know? I love the energy it gives me. Do you think that water element helps strengthen visualization? Because of its connection to psychic sense. I've never worked with it before, but I think I'm being told that water and earth will really help me right now.

 

[Shannon Outlaw]

Just to be clear, you started the Mercury square on Wednesday, right?
Yes, you can try using the Mars square but be careful with the Saturn square. Many have reported unpleasant things happening because of the Saturnine energy so most of us just stay away from it. If you use the Mars or Saturn square to curse an enemy, make sure to really cleanse your aura and chakras afterwards preferably using Suryae or Raum to neutralize the negative energy that you put out.
And I know what you mean with the whole visualization thing. My visualization has improved a lot after looking back at the spiritual warfare training exercises. I am working on certain meditations from there. Hail our Creator God Satan.

On Saturday, February 28, 2015 7:48 PM, "Vib Triple vibratingtriplesix@... [HellsArmy666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  I started the Mercury square yesterday during the hour of Mercury (obviously). 
Thanks a lot for recommending that.
My visualization has improved. I am visualizing a wall clock with a pendulum, together with the sound it makes and the way it feels. It is not quite 100% there yet but I will get there. I find that singular small objects are now a lot easier to visualize than before. I used to struggle with a fork, now it's pretty easy and it actually becomes visible even with open eyes.
What I struggle with is the astrological sun sigil. The circle with the dot in the center. I have an easier time visualizing Satan's sigil than the circle although it is a more complex shape. After thinking about this issue for some time I figured out why: There are not a lot of people who can draw a perfect circle without a compass even on the material plane. So I first conjure up a compass and then use it to draw the circle astrally. That way I can get the circle done. To then place the dot in the center and hold it there is what I currently find most difficult.
Concerning Bardon: I also recommend his book Frabato as a motivator. It has some interesting little details such as that it is preferable to only use candle light when evoking spirits, as opposed to any electrical light. The reason being according to Bardon, that the frequency of electric light can be disturbing to the manifestation of the spirit.
Out of interest: Is it possible to use the Mars / Saturn squares to curse an enemy? I am currently in a difficult period due to the fact that before I found JOS I did a Saturn ritual inspired by some numbnut wanna be Satanist. My life literally took very strange turns right after that, including the fact that it attracted a criminal who attempted to ruin me. I was also unaware that I could purify my chakras back then. I am a little weary with Saturn these days...
HAIL SATAN 


On Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:15 PM, "Shannon Outlaw soutlaw92@... [HellsArmy666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  I am reading initiation into Hermetics as well. Great read. 
I don't know if your post came up late but make sure to do the Mercury square on Wednesdays. 
I am going to do the Mars square this Tuesday to balance my self out too as well as elemental balancing.I have started looking more into the spiritual warfare training manual to practice specific exercises.
Your ambition is very refreshing  Hail our Creator God Satan.



On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 11:00 PM, "Vib Triple vibratingtriplesix@... [HellsArmy666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  Hail Shannon,
Thanks a lot for your information and I do agree. That said I am currently studying Bardon's works with a specific focus on Initiation into Hermetics. My goal is to become a spiritual warfare expert and I must become good enough to literally see the visualizations in front of me as if they were actually there materially. That is what Bardon describes. According to him, you can actually manifest your visualizations if they are strong enough, by imbuing them with the Earth element.
So I guess I will simply have to sit down for hours on end, visualizing stuff until it finally appears. I am ready to do that just to see if it works. 
As for your other information on working with the planetary squares: THANKS A LOT!!!!
I will get started tomorrow on the Mercury square and am going to do it for 64 days.
Since you asked for the reason, I am balancing out my natal chart. In addition to that I am breathing in elements to balance out my natal chart and what Bardon calls the soul mirror. 
HAIL SATANx666

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 4:03 PM, "Shannon Outlaw soutlaw92@... [HellsArmy666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  The thing is, everyone can visualize. Don't take magical visualization too seriously to the point where there is strain, relaxation is key. This has helped me a lot. I realized that when I was relaxed and didn't focus too hard on the details, the visualization came easier.
A satanist once told me that i shouldn't try to visualize too hard and that I must pretend and know within my mind that within your visualization, the details have already been handled.
Also as for visualizing white light around yourself, others have had this problem too. It helps to be around sun light or any kind of brilliant light to aid in the imaging of light. Eventually it will get easier. When I was new I would stare at the intensity of a candle flame and imagine that light around me.
When a person imagines or thinks about the sun, we all know and see it as bright but when you try to focus on all the details and sort of "Zoom" into it, that is when it gets difficult. Hail our Creator God Satan.

On Monday, February 23, 2015 10:36 PM, "hankandrews66@... [HellsArmy666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  First of all let me say this: The Spiritual warfare manual is a work of genius and I have not yet found anything better on Magic available, with the exception of Bardon's enemy-tainted work.
One of the issues I have continuously found in my Magic work however, is that I am relatively bad at visualizing. What I mean by that is, that I simply cannot get enough light around me. I can see things, for example if I trace a pentagram in my mind or write something, it is legible. That said, the intensity of the "white" astral light that I use to draw on the black background is not very strong.
What methods do you guys recommend to enhance the intensity of the color?
This also causes trouble when I try to visualize myself engulfed in different colors or when visualizing the chakras. I have however created a multitude of magical effects in my life so far, so there definitely is an effect, but it usually comes with a delay and usually not as strong as I want it to be.
Do I simply need to go into a deeper trance? Or do I not have enough Pranic energy?

 

[the_fire_starter666]

The whole concept of drawing doesn't really have anything to do with visualization. All visualization is about is recalling an image. Much like remembering or imagining. When you remember how your house looks like you just conjure up an image you have, you don't really say something like "well I'll try to draw up the front doors, e.t.c." It's effortless. Visualizing is really nothing more than remembering or imagining a mental image, that mental image appears all at once not in some parts first. When somebody says "Imagine you are in a pacific island" then automatically an image pops up in your head, probably of a beach and palm trees.

 

[Vib Triple]

Hey firestarter,

yea that is the most basic form of visualization. I can do that without trouble and hold that kind of image forever.
The point is to visualize to the point where an object literally appears before your eyes as if it was there materially. If you can do that then you can trace it perfectly, just like an autist can draw a fucking city perfectly after seeing it for a second.
Now unfortunately a lot of "Satanists" and "Magicians" I met can't draw for shit and COINCIDENTALLY their magic does not work. How so? I don't know it's a big mystery I guess.
At the same time, spiritual masters like Bardon, whose knowledge is valid, states that advanced spiritual beings often reincarnate as artistic masters...such as Da Vinci. Now did Da Vinci draw like a fucking master, or did he draw like you? 
What about Hitler, did he draw like a master, like a fucking genius, or did he draw just like you do?
Keep on trolling my posts bad boy


On Sunday, March 1, 2015 9:48 AM, "the_fire_starter666@... [HellsArmy666]" <[email protected] wrote:


  The whole concept of drawing doesn't really have anything to do with visualization. All visualization is about is recalling an image. Much like remembering or imagining. When you remember how your house looks like you just conjure up an image you have, you don't really say something like "well I'll try to draw up the front doors, e.t.c." It's effortless. Visualizing is really nothing more than remembering or imagining a mental image, that mental image appears all at once not in some parts first. When somebody says "Imagine you are in a pacific island" then automatically an image pops up in your head, probably of a beach and palm trees.

 

[the_fire_starter666]

@Vib Triple: Trolling? I'm just stating what I know and experience.
"Now unfortunately a lot of "Satanists" and "Magicians" I met can't draw for shit and COINCIDENTALLY their magic does not work. How so? I don't know it's a big mystery I guess."
Do you not understand that this is totally irrelevant to magick or not? Magick has mostly to do with how advanced spiritually you are. If you are spiritually advanced, no matter if you know how to draw or not, if you just be angry with a person you'll cause him problems without doing anything.
Do these "Satanists" and "Magicians" do power meditation and other energy work? Are they even spiritually advanced? Do they know how to use energy? So you can see, magick is irrelevant to drawing, and has been explained in the site.
Secondly, Artistic Masters are good at magick not because they can draw, but because the female part of their soul is active, which is the powerhouse of the soul. The word "artist" doesn't mean one who draws, but can mean a musician, a writer, a sculptor e.t.c. Did Bardon say that they reincarnate to people who can draw? LOL. Even that, you know Bardon has a lot of enemy bullshit infested in.
Besides, we were talking about visualization, not magick. In regards to visualization, if you even have read about how the mind works, you'll notice most painters FIRST visualize their image in their mind and THEN put it on the canvas. Mind always comes first. Just research and you'll see that always happens, no matter what artists, even architects and inventors do that. Nikola Tesla particularly spent a lot of time creating visualizations in his mind of his inventions and even an imaginary laboratory and THEN created his inventions to reality.
I said that before and I'm gonna repeat again: You obviously have a lot of bullshit you've "learned" from random enemy sources and apparently you can't distinguish between it and reality.