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Question #359: View on Gender Roles and sexual attraction

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Hi I’ve been a Zevist since I was 18 (24 now)
Been meditating (sometime more and less successful) and doing the final Ritual since it was released.

Why I ask about this: I’ve been getting a lot of attraction/attention from a girl a few months ago, it’s gotten much less until now so I’m just generally confused and don’t know what to believe.

I’m very confused right now about male/female interaction. Is it true/does it correlate with the JoS what they say in all the YouTube videos (man is supposed to be strong etc, women are the submissive gender). I have very little experience with women so I’d like to know/have a full introduction how Satan has meant it to be and how I’m supposed to be as a man. My birth chart has a lot of placements saying that I’m more sensitive, can’t let go easy in relationships (I have lot of water/fire and no placement in earth at all). Also I grew up with a mother only and never met my father or had any male role model in real life.

It would be great if you can give me some guidance or hint into which direction I should focus on working. I’ve been watching a lot of the videos lately where they say “you have to become the alpha male, or women will cheat on you etc” and it sometimes gives me a painful feeling in my stomach, then I go back to void meditation.

Will I end up being happy sexually if I do the love spell workings on the JoS?

I wanted to post this for some time but was afraid because I remember to not share too much personal info on the forums so I’m really glad about this option to post questions anonymously.

I’m not that good at writing texts so sorry if this was a bit hard to read or anything and thank you for reading through it anyways.

HAIL ZEUS

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#1
Abyssossaid:

Stop hesitating. A girl is showing you attention? Congratulations, you are good-looking, go for it.

Women take a lot of care to not give any attention to men they don't find attractive, because they don't want to give ugly men any indications that they are approachable.

Women complain often that "if I smile at a man, he takes it as a sign to hit on me." This is something you'll hear often. In reaction, they compound the issue by ignoring men more and more, since most men are ugly to women.

Women love serial killers?
First everyone loves beauty both men and women.Secondly men always choose women who harm them over the ones who are too nice to them no matter how pretty these women are.Women dont smile or talk too much to people they dont know because its dangerous.You could get killed over trusting the wrong person.Specially if you are a woman

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#2

A very marginal percent of women "really" like "Serial killers". These women clearly are only fantasizing and aren't dead, which means they are only "fantasizing", and this fantasy is based on the surreal things likely promoted by the media.

The reasons of this is because of other aspects not related to the negativity of these clearly moronic actions. Media sensationalism can accelerate this marginal percent to a little higher but that's it.

There is no "women in general", you have to learn to start understanding what kind of woman you have interest for, which can only come after a series of failures.

It is normal for most women or at least a strong portion of women to want men that will be able to protect them in dire circumstances.

Because of absence of actual powerful males in society, a percent of women tend to fantasize about what has remained of what resembles strength, including gang members or other men like that, yet they also frequently fantasize strongly over police men, firefighters and other professions such as the military. A certain amount of women do.

In the realistic world, besides the fantasies, these types of men scare the overwhelming amount of women and will not want them, in contrast to what Abyssos and many other people say, because on the linear level of danger involved, nobody wants to live this 24/7. Women also avoid stress in more than one ways.

There is a scale between friendliness and proper social capacities, and then aggression, which is the best indicator for attractive males.

There are also other types of women who want men they can take "control" over, and this number is not at shortage either. Yet in all extents, they will expect you to act at least to some extent like a man.

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#3
Missrainbow1said:
Abyssossaid:

Stop hesitating. A girl is showing you attention? Congratulations, you are good-looking, go for it.

Women take a lot of care to not give any attention to men they don't find attractive, because they don't want to give ugly men any indications that they are approachable.

Women complain often that "if I smile at a man, he takes it as a sign to hit on me." This is something you'll hear often. In reaction, they compound the issue by ignoring men more and more, since most men are ugly to women.

Women love serial killers?
First everyone loves beauty both men and women.Secondly men always choose women who harm them over the ones who are too nice to them no matter how pretty these women are.Women dont smile or talk too much to people they dont know because its dangerous.You could get killed over trusting the wrong person.Specially if you are a woman

Not all men like bad bitches, just cavemen, and they are not all like this. This is also another misconception and an unfair generalization towards men, that they are all violent predators which is delusional and ridiculous. There are good and bad people out there and it's an obvious to not trust any stranger right off the bat, but telling all guys that they are all violent thugs just because they look at you or other similar things one might miss interpret as "stalking" or whatever is way over the top. I have had a guy misinterpret my smile and friendliness for romantic interest as well, and there doesn't have to be any kind of bad intent with this. He could be just sad and lonely and his wishful thinking could be driving him to see something that isn't there. Men and women alike do this and its normal human behavior for wanting affection and to interact.

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#4
Abyssossaid:

Yes, women love serial killers. Don't ask me why, go find any one of the millions of women that gush over hot serial killers online and ask them. I've met women in person who openly talked about being fascinated with serial killers, and listened to podcasts analyzing their psychology. Women are fascinated with violence, abuse, and pain. I don't understand why, but it is true. I don't like that it's true, but it's undeniable.

Many women are into this yes, serial killers, bad boy attitude etc. and statistically speaking, this isn't very uncommon.
This can have other reasons behind it, like sexual arousal, triggered by possible danger. Some feel that this male is very strong, an alpha male and could protect them. Some others like to feel that vulnerable, that they don't have the weight of choice and someone else has it. Some want to help these people, get them back on the right track, control them, show power in some way. Some others have a type of trauma that their brain finds relatable. Some others learned this from their families. Others see them as a person in need for love and nurturing. Others are drawn to them because they feel the need to express their inner rebel,
or it could even be a mental health issue. It all depends on how intensified is each case and in combination with each person's personality and experiences. One destination, many roads to go.

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#5
Shadowcatsaid:
Missrainbow1said:
Abyssossaid:

Stop hesitating. A girl is showing you attention? Congratulations, you are good-looking, go for it.

Women take a lot of care to not give any attention to men they don't find attractive, because they don't want to give ugly men any indications that they are approachable.

Women complain often that "if I smile at a man, he takes it as a sign to hit on me." This is something you'll hear often. In reaction, they compound the issue by ignoring men more and more, since most men are ugly to women.

Women love serial killers?
First everyone loves beauty both men and women.Secondly men always choose women who harm them over the ones who are too nice to them no matter how pretty these women are.Women dont smile or talk too much to people they dont know because its dangerous.You could get killed over trusting the wrong person.Specially if you are a woman

Not all men like bad bitches, just cavemen, and they are not all like this. This is also another misconception and an unfair generalization towards men, that they are all violent predators which is delusional and ridiculous. There are good and bad people out there and it's an obvious to not trust any stranger right off the bat, but telling all guys that they are all violent thugs just because they look at you or other similar things one might miss interpret as "stalking" or whatever is way over the top. I have had a guy misinterpret my smile and friendliness for romantic interest as well, and there doesn't have to be any kind of bad intent with this. He could be just sad and lonely and his wishful thinking could be driving him to see something that isn't there. Men and women alike do this and its normal human behavior for wanting affection and to interact.

I didnt say men are violent.I said talking to strangers could be dangerous.At least where I live

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#6
Shadowcatsaid:
Missrainbow1said:
Abyssossaid:

Stop hesitating. A girl is showing you attention? Congratulations, you are good-looking, go for it.

Women take a lot of care to not give any attention to men they don't find attractive, because they don't want to give ugly men any indications that they are approachable.

Women complain often that "if I smile at a man, he takes it as a sign to hit on me." This is something you'll hear often. In reaction, they compound the issue by ignoring men more and more, since most men are ugly to women.

Women love serial killers?
First everyone loves beauty both men and women.Secondly men always choose women who harm them over the ones who are too nice to them no matter how pretty these women are.Women dont smile or talk too much to people they dont know because its dangerous.You could get killed over trusting the wrong person.Specially if you are a woman

Not all men like bad bitches, just cavemen, and they are not all like this. This is also another misconception and an unfair generalization towards men, that they are all violent predators which is delusional and ridiculous. There are good and bad people out there and it's an obvious to not trust any stranger right off the bat, but telling all guys that they are all violent thugs just because they look at you or other similar things one might miss interpret as "stalking" or whatever is way over the top. I have had a guy misinterpret my smile and friendliness for romantic interest as well, and there doesn't have to be any kind of bad intent with this. He could be just sad and lonely and his wishful thinking could be driving him to see something that isn't there. Men and women alike do this and its normal human behavior for wanting affection and to interact.

What I was saying is that the majority of people are ignorant these days and it has nothing to do with their gender.I didnt mention any gender when I said we cant trust strangers.Men too cant trust strangers so easily.I personally would want to make sure the girl my brother loves could be trusted.I think behavior depends on culture a lot)))Where I live smiling at strangers could make you look crazy to them and they may frown at you

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#7

I’m new, so take it what it’s worth:

But the blackpill totally freed me from Judeo-Christian slavery, and working with Lucifer and Lilith has been my recovery from the trauma of it. I personally believe Lilith, in one of her darker manifestations, led me to it.

The blackpill is more than the mere superficiality and “lust” of dating, or that some people have it better than others in dating. Fundamentally, the blackpill reveals that there is no “equilibrium” principle in life where everyone’s struggles balance out. There is no genuine “justice”. And more than this, it penetrates the resentment-based morality and manifestly, objectively shows that hierarchical superiority is better than being lesser. There is no virtue in being poor. There is no virtue in being ugly. There is no virtue in being stupid.

It’s not popular today, but the best way to integrate this is to recognize that while some men are blessed more than others, you still have the potential to embrace your masculinity as a man and show yourself as a warrior who fears nothing. And then you can just hope that some noble woman respects you for it.

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#8
Eamonomaesaid:

I’m new, so take it what it’s worth:

But the blackpill totally freed me from Judeo-Christian slavery, and working with Lucifer and Lilith has been my recovery from the trauma of it. I personally believe Lilith, in one of her darker manifestations, led me to it.

The blackpill is more than the mere superficiality and “lust” of dating, or that some people have it better than others in dating. Fundamentally, the blackpill reveals that there is no “equilibrium” principle in life where everyone’s struggles balance out. There is no genuine “justice”. And more than this, it penetrates the resentment-based morality and manifestly, objectively shows that hierarchical superiority is better than being lesser. There is no virtue in being poor. There is no virtue in being ugly. There is no virtue in being stupid.

There is no virtue in being poor. There is no virtue in being ugly. There is no virtue in being stupid.

No there isn't. But the "blackpill" that tries to teach men to ONLY focus on improving looks and nothing else is way too one sided, and too short-sided as well, as it also builds on men's hangups and past hurts towards women like PUA and MGTOW does. It ruins men like feminism ruins women and gives them skewed unrealistic views and builds on their own resentment towards specific bad apples that they are brainwashed into thinking is literally everyone, giving them a forever chip on their shoulder. These narratives of these communities do not promote healing but festering, and ultimately also of the relations between the sexes.

If you are looking for a place to truly teach you to be the best version of yourself this place is it. The above communities talked about often build apon narratives to "help" that are deeply rooted in distorted views that are based on bad experiences that make men think of "its ALL" basically. I'm all for one realizing ones suffering and struggles and wanting to become better. But you will go down the wrong path by letting a narrative feed your past hurts and hangups and letting those drive your reality. I mentioned Hamza for example in another post you might not have seen. He means well and wants men to live quality lives and better themselves. But he gives them completely wrong advice when it comes to "supressing emotion" and promoting the koran, as well as basically telling men how to act and look to attract the very types they should stay away from. Most of these communities basically are saying things like, "ok all women like orcs, or all women want completely emotionless guys because they run when they see emotion so this is what you have to do to attract these women and better yourself when it comes to success with women."

with what types of women again? The ones that are immature and cant handle emotion or only want sex and are shallow? Good luck with success! Because the narrator's past experiences state that this counts for literally the entire opposite sex which is false.

These things will do nothing but steer you down a road of disappointment. Following Satanism on the other hand will open your eyes to many things including genuinely knowing all aspects of yourself beyond past hangups and distorted views based on bad happenings with anything, especially when you clean your soul. Doing this will make you forget about any "blackpill" stuff and start you down a road of true self-empowerment, empowerment of your own mind and soul.

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#9

No there isn't. But the "blackpill" that tries to teach men to ONLY focus on improving looks and nothing else is way too one sided, and too short-sided as well, as it also builds on men's hangups and past hurts towards women like PUA and MGTOW does. It ruins men like feminism ruins women and gives them skewed unrealistic views and builds on their own resentment towards specific bad apples that they are brainwashed into thinking is literally everyone, giving them a forever chip on their shoulder. These narratives of these communities do not promote healing but festering, and ultimately also of the relations between the sexes.

If you are looking for a place to truly teach you to be the best version of yourself this place is it. The above communities talked about often build apon narratives to "help" that are deeply rooted in distorted views that are based on bad experiences that make men think of "its ALL" basically. I'm all for one realizing ones suffering and struggles and wanting to become better. But you will go down the wrong path by letting a narrative feed your past hurts and hangups and letting those drive your reality. I mentioned Hamza for example in another post you might not have seen. He means well and wants men to live quality lives and better themselves. But he gives them completely wrong advice when it comes to "supressing emotion" and promoting the koran, as well as basically telling men how to act and look to attract the very types they should stay away from. Most of these communities basically are saying things like, "ok all women like orcs, or all women want completely emotionless guys because they run when they see emotion so this is what you have to do to attract these women and better yourself when it comes to success with women."

with what types of women again? The ones that are immature and cant handle emotion or only want sex and are shallow? Good luck with success! Because the narrator's past experiences state that this counts for literally the entire opposite sex which is false.

Irregardless of the narratives (which I disagree with), the empirical evidence it contains regarding the harsh reality of human sexuality and the role in which that plays in dictating social roles, with monogamy literally being a “supernatural” (above natural) thing that we do out of a higher form of consciousness and social cooperation is sometimes necessary. I’ve never come across any resources that was as blunt and honest about how our subconscious, animalistic urges control our behavior in ways we don’t realize.

Confronting and overcoming the blackpill if you are a heterosexual or bisexual male or female (or the substance of the blackpill), imo, is a necessary step in spiritual growth in the transformation of the individual and coming to terms with what human beings are - an animal with a higher form of consciousness which elevates is above other life forms here on earth.

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#10
Shadowcatsaid:

with what types of women again? The ones that are immature and cant handle emotion or only want sex and are shallow? Good luck with success! Because the narrator's past experiences state that this counts for literally the entire opposite sex which is false.

Once you overcome the blackpill (which I basically have) you see past all the moralizing bs like the above. What does it mean that a woman is “shallow”? Do you want a woman who doesn’t like sex? Do you want a woman who isn’t into making herself look pretty? Do you want a woman who really doesn’t desire who you are as a man?
You may think “shallow” just means stupid ditzy used up sorority girl, but I can assure you that unless you’re a room temperature fratboy, most men don’t want those either.

The blackpill is that, barring psychopathic handsome men who get bored of romance because they see how superficial it is, everyone wants a meaningful relationship, but women demand more because they don’t have to try as much. Tinder may be the final straw that breaks the camel’s back - you can’t leave at least 60-70% of men romanceless without grave consequences socially.

I’ve dated a number of women of various personalities and levels of maturity and I can tell you that each and every time I’ve shown romantic inexperience or emotion they get turned off and the relationship ends. There is no “woman” who can “handle emotion” - they dislike it, because they want you to be a man whom they can go to for emotional problems. It’s purely biological, because being emotional signals weakness. A woman won’t ever be honest and say that’s the reason she ended a relationship, she’ll come up with some other excuse like “oh we weren’t compatible” or “I didn’t like his personality” (another meaningless word - I just didn’t like the “personhood” of who you are behaviorally)

These things will do nothing but steer you down a road of disappointment. Following Satanism on the other hand will open your eyes to many things including genuinely knowing all aspects of yourself beyond past hangups and distorted views based on bad happenings with anything, especially when you clean your soul. Doing this will make you forget about any "blackpill" stuff and start you down a road of true self-empowerment, empowerment of your own mind and soul.

I don’t buy into the narratives of the blackpill but appreciate its empirical data. I think the rise of inceldom comes from long term social decadence and a loss of basic gender social expectations for both genders, slowly but surely overtime. I’m not saying we should turn back the clock back to the 19th century, but there was a clear turning point circa 2012 where suddenly people have totally deluded themselves into thinking that sexual desire isn’t at biological or that sexual desire plays no role in romantic relationships. I think it comes from the commodification of our culture and masses of losers making excuses for failing to live the role they were meant to live.

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#11
SapphireDragonsaid:

Most women, real women, the kind that'll stick with you for better or worse, don't care if you're rich or super hot, they just want a man who will protect them, support them, help them, and a man who cleans himself up, takes care of himself, shows initiative and shows commitment. Someone who can be a friend, a lover, a protector and a good Father.

Nope. Most women do care, and we have empirical data which supports it. Additionally, they care about social status too - Adam Driver ain't the most objectively handsome man, but he's a tall popular actor (with high social status), so tons of women swoon over him.

If you are an ugly, poor sperg living with mom and dad, women aren't gonna be turned on by you.

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#12
This is the targeted message.
SapphireDragonsaid:

(Sorry didn't quote you right the first time)

Ugly is really in the eye of the beholder, even if someone is average or plane looking they can still be handsome to a woman if they are clean, well put together, well dressed, and responsible.

No looks are also not completely subjective either. Although some aspects are subjective, there are actual objective standards for being attractive physically and no amount of muh emotions for coddling people who simply don't have this will change that. Someone who is very unsymmetrical or balding and significantly overweight can dress and cleanup however they want but it won't change the sex appeal a whole lot. This isn't to say they will be forever alone but they will only have options from women who are not much more physically attractive than they are. Alot of people are in this boat and end up settling because of it.

As far as I'm concerned the example with the picture with the fat guy and woman together in another post shows this pretty well. People who are objectively ugly don't have to be forever alone, and even they can improve. They just won't have as many options. And anything can look attractive to someone who is desperate for companionship because they can't afford to have high standards, at least as far as physical attraction goes. If they did it would be a different story.

Nothing will be perfect, but the point of my previous posts on this is if people do what they can to improve sex appeal as much as they can as well as better their minds and souls they will have a chance to attract someone to fulfill them in all ways in the best way possible. Obviously going for a good and kind personality is a no brainier to boot. There would be less romantic, emotional,and sexual dissatisfaction and less people would cheat. I don't want people to have to settle I want them to be significantly satisfied and work hard to get the best they can in body and in personality, because I know this is part of what would significantly contribute to a healthier happier society. Looks ARE however and will always remain only part of the equation, but are the difference between lovers and brother and sister.

Besides there are also a number of certain imperfections others might not even be bothered by. Height is a big deal to people, but others don't mind. I've fallen for a short guy before. A few scars, blemishes or other less than perfect things can still exist with the person still being attractive. No one is going to be perfect, but it's important to take care of one self and fulfill their potential as much as possible if they do want the best options for them. Problem is most people are lazy and get pissed when someone doesn't take them as they are especially if they go out of their league. (Weather this be in look personality or both)

It's like a communist complaining that they don't get free gibs after not even working to earn it.

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#13
Shadowcatsaid:

No one is going to be perfect, but it's important to take care of one self and fulfill their potential as much as possible if they do want the best options for them. Problem is most people are lazy and get pissed when someone doesn't take them as they are especially if they go out of their league. (Weather this be in look personality or both)

It's like a communist complaining that they don't get free gibs after not even working to earn it.

True I can see and appreciate your perspective on the matter. Maybe it is a case of settling after all when I've seen someone that looks ugly to me with a partner who looks like they wouldn't normally be together. At least many people will find someone out there for them. They shouldn't give up hope if they are lacking in the looks department or feel bad for having to settle if their looks are something they can't fix entirely. I myself have my own flaws but am not what someone would consider ugly. I'm not inflated with ego over my looks, but I can say with healthy pride that I look good.

I've been in a lot of different relationships through my life so far and my posts above were simply speaking from my experiences with people both from my own relationships and seeing other people's relationships around me. I have never been with someone I'd consider ugly or unattractive, but I've seen close friends who have been in loving relationships with people who were.

But everyone is individual and we won't all have the same experiences. We all have our own opinions on this matter and everyone's views are individual. Thank you for sharing yours with me. I hope everyone's perspective discussed here can help the OP better understand what our views are regarding attraction and gather what applies to him, and use it for himself. Either way, ugly or attractive, just working on yourself and taking care of yourself is what matters. Father Satan and the Gods will lead you to the right person for you, just Ask them to guide you!

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#14
SapphireDragonsaid:
Shadowcatsaid:

No one is going to be perfect, but it's important to take care of one self and fulfill their potential as much as possible if they do want the best options for them. Problem is most people are lazy and get pissed when someone doesn't take them as they are especially if they go out of their league. (Weather this be in look personality or both)

It's like a communist complaining that they don't get free gibs after not even working to earn it.

True I can see and appreciate your perspective on the matter. Maybe it is a case of settling after all when I've seen someone that looks ugly to me with a partner who looks like they wouldn't normally be together. At least many people will find someone out there for them. They shouldn't give up hope if they are lacking in the looks department or feel bad for having to settle if their looks are something they can't fix entirely. I myself have my own flaws but am not what someone would consider ugly. I'm not inflated with ego over my looks, but I can say with healthy pride that I look good.

I've been in a lot of different relationships through my life so far and my posts above were simply speaking from my experiences with people both from my own relationships and seeing other people's relationships around me. I have never been with someone I'd consider ugly or unattractive, but I've seen close friends who have been in loving relationships with people who were.

It's true, and also in the case of what can be subjective as far as what someone may or may not consider attractive also depends on the personal chart, especially the venus and mars signs, as well as any planets in the 7th house and/or on the DESC if any.

I myself have actually requested that I be guided to bring myself up to the expectations of, and have asked for a Demon partner, and my chart also supports this.

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