Ever wondered why it is some planets work for some but against others?
It's quite a modern concept within astrology that people are said to own certain planets and not others.
What this means is, certain planets energies operate through you directly through your own ego whilst others manifest themselves as circumstances in your life beyond your control.
This is because if energy is to act within ourselves a psychological doorway must be open for it to express itself and if it isn't it will manifest in other ways.
It's often said that women own their venus whilst men do not, venus for women manifests itself as, taste for beauty, desire to look good and be appreciated etc but the psychology of men is not like that so venus manifests itself in the lives of men in another way, i.e. women.
And the opposite is true in the case of Mars. This is because most of the time (not always) women and men think, act, believe, hold values etc which allow or disallow the energies of those planets to express themselves through their own ego. I.e women not caring so much about being physically tough, fighter, bold and fearless etc as opposed to men.
Now this is very important in understanding why Saturn hurts the majority of people, but there are a few which it works absolutely brilliantly for.
Saturn is that authoritarian voice within you, which says "this is good, this is bad, you're worthy, you're unworthy, you're deserving, you're undeserving" etc.
The vast majority of people, give this power away to their family, friends, teachers, bosses, society, religion and people around them in general.
This is especially true today because of the enemy and the way society is programmed. Quite simply this means they do not "OWN" their Saturn.
Therefore Saturn's energy has to eventually manifest itself and because of the nature of the planet it will bring limitation, restriction, pain and loss in your life., unless you take control of it within yourself.
Often it is the case that older people, usually older men are the one's who own their Saturn. This is for no other reason than simply their psychology is in such a way that it allows it to be so. You can also take control of your Saturn, in the same way.
There is nothing stronger than the power of true conviction within yourself, which is Saturn's gift to you. You have to know with 100% certainty in your heart you do and act how you believe to be the right way and only you can be the judge of what you can and can't have and do. DO NOT GIVE THIS POWER AWAY TO ANYONE!
Know you deserve the pleasure and things you want, know you are worthy and capable of achieving them and do not allow anyone else to judge these things for you. Own your Saturn.
HAIL SATAN!
Praise Be To Hell!
"Owning" your planets (LONG BUT IMPORTANT)
Djinn Draconis3 min to read
Thanks for the info.
It is quite weird that Neptune is fall in Capricorn. I feel this planet's influence in my life all the time. It gives me alot of confusion and I can't even imagine the influence of it when it is in Pisces.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
--- In , "siguarddraconis" <drammanoth@... wrote:
The condition is called 'reception' - where one planet is in the other's domicile but is not in in detriment or exile, whilst the other is.
This is weakening, and one has to work hard to overcome the malevolent influence of those two.
Siguard Draconis.
Satanas Via, Vera et Vita est.
Ave Satanas! Rege Satanas!
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
I was just realizing something.
While the Ruler of Capricorn - Saturn, is found in Pisces, the Ruler of Pisces - Neptune, is found in Capricorn. And I bet it gives even more problems, as they are so different in their nature, as you stated.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
--- In , "f.follets" <f.follets@ wrote:
To put it simply, just as tjs4satan said, it's like you're cut off from the spiritual world. This can get worse if Saturn is in a spiritual house, like the 8th, 9th or the 12th, but the feeling is generally the same.
You *can* advance spiritually with Saturn in Pisces, it will just take more effort and knowledge than it would with other placements. Perseverance is key, but that's usually what's lacking when Saturn is in Pisces.
I, for example, despite studying meditations, techniques and spiritual subjects for many years, have never even been able to get into a trance state. Anything that can possibly alter the state of mind usually doesn't work very well (I have Saturn in the 9th house, though).
As I said, with proper guidance and knowledge, there can be a spiritual breakthrough. Those with this placement who somehow manage to deal with this and work on it thoroughly will experience, at some point, enormous spiritual growth. However it's not easy at all and, as usual with Saturn, will probably take time. The Saturn Return usually marks a time of huge growth and liberation from restrictive patterns.
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
First, thank you for being honest. Astrology is honest subject.
And it seem to be true with Saturn in Pisces. My life are hard. I'm not complaining to much, but it's actually hard. Well Saturn is the only planet Pisces, but still. I didn't truly understand the spiritual part. So you basically say I will always have a hard time with advancing spiritually? That's pretty sucks..
HAIL SATAN!!
--- In , "f.follets" <f.follets@ wrote:
Well, there may be other ways of interpreting Saturn in Pisces, but I need to be totally honest with someone who also has it: by itself, it's very bad.
Of course, Saturn is bad for everyone, but there are very good reasons why Pisces is the sign of defeat, the 12th house is the house of ruin and, in traditional astrology, Saturn rejoices therein. Obviously this doesn't mean life will be invariably miserable for those with Saturn there. In fact, many people seem to not even feel its effects strongly (if not by house position, like you), but that's because of the nature of Pisces. It's sedative.
Saturn is reality, substance, boundaries and Pisces is the exact opposite of that. With Saturn there, actions and endeavors often end up failing because they lack the foundation, or because they didn't have enough power to reach completion. Or maybe they reach the goal, but in the end the results are underwhelming and it was probably a wasted effort anyway. Nothing is ever good enough. There is a sort of eternal discomfort, a yearning for something that is not there, for perfection, essentially something that *does not exist* in the literal sense (Pisces).
Ever since I was a kid, I had symbolic dreams in which I would do many absurd things to reach some kind of power that would enable me to do *stuff*, and just as I got it... it wasn't what I was thinking, or there was something missing. Only many years later I would know that this is precisely the nature of Saturn in Pisces.
It is a feeling of being stuck within oneself, and that's exatcly what it is. It's truly hard to turn the tide because Saturn lacks, in itself, the footing that it usually provides for real improvement.
What follows is, for people who can't deal with that, weakness of will, self-destructive tendencies and severe depression. All coming the a sense that one's actions are worth nothing, that existing is suffering, and that any real gain requires a huge, painful sacrifice. These are all themes of Pisces alone, but even more so with Saturn involved.
As for the spiritual implications of this placement, the effect of Saturn in Pisces is that it tends to limit or block the flow of spiritual energies, and also block contact with higher realms. This may be caused by an extremely deep, often unknown, fear of losing oneself with these kinds of experiences. As with everything in Pisces, it may not look or feel like that at all, but it probably is. Emotinal repression is possible as well.
What I said earlier about perfection not existing in the literal sense is due to the perception of the world through life in an essentially material reality, which by the way is characterised by Saturn, who simultaneously creates the boundaries of reality for people and prevents them from breaking free of that, raising the sentiment of rebellion (Capricorn-Aquarius). We all know, however, that's not the case, and once we are free (past Aquarius), we can reach perfection (Pisces, completion).
What the placement of Saturn in Pisces does is making these imperfections and boundaries much more conspicuous, even in daily life, which is not the case when it's in the other signs where it focus on other things. It makes reality much more difficult to bear, all the time. This can be both a very bad and a very good thing, depending on how well you handle. It enables one to be counscious of - or overwhelmed by - what's beyond, what's missing, and given proper guidance and enough understanding, may lead to a true spiritual breakthrough - or may even lead to a slow, painful death, caused by the own person.
It's important to note, if I didn't make that clear, that all the issues of Saturn in Pisces, or at least the worst ones, are completely internal. They are caused by states of mind and spirit, and can usually solved alone, with self-knowledge. The external issues are caused by house position and aspects, as usual.
Other planetary placements and aspects will obviously change the overall picture, but if there are other Pisces or 12th house planets, it's very likely that this will all be experienced in full.
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Thanks for the info.
It is quite weird that Neptune is fall in Capricorn. I feel this planet's influence in my life all the time. It gives me alot of confusion and I can't even imagine the influence of it when it is in Pisces.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
--- In , "siguarddraconis" <drammanoth@... wrote:
The condition is called 'reception' - where one planet is in the other's domicile but is not in in detriment or exile, whilst the other is.
This is weakening, and one has to work hard to overcome the malevolent influence of those two.
Siguard Draconis.
Satanas Via, Vera et Vita est.
Ave Satanas! Rege Satanas!
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
I was just realizing something.
While the Ruler of Capricorn - Saturn, is found in Pisces, the Ruler of Pisces - Neptune, is found in Capricorn. And I bet it gives even more problems, as they are so different in their nature, as you stated.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
--- In , "f.follets" <f.follets@ wrote:
To put it simply, just as tjs4satan said, it's like you're cut off from the spiritual world. This can get worse if Saturn is in a spiritual house, like the 8th, 9th or the 12th, but the feeling is generally the same.
You *can* advance spiritually with Saturn in Pisces, it will just take more effort and knowledge than it would with other placements. Perseverance is key, but that's usually what's lacking when Saturn is in Pisces.
I, for example, despite studying meditations, techniques and spiritual subjects for many years, have never even been able to get into a trance state. Anything that can possibly alter the state of mind usually doesn't work very well (I have Saturn in the 9th house, though).
As I said, with proper guidance and knowledge, there can be a spiritual breakthrough. Those with this placement who somehow manage to deal with this and work on it thoroughly will experience, at some point, enormous spiritual growth. However it's not easy at all and, as usual with Saturn, will probably take time. The Saturn Return usually marks a time of huge growth and liberation from restrictive patterns.
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
First, thank you for being honest. Astrology is honest subject.
And it seem to be true with Saturn in Pisces. My life are hard. I'm not complaining to much, but it's actually hard. Well Saturn is the only planet Pisces, but still. I didn't truly understand the spiritual part. So you basically say I will always have a hard time with advancing spiritually? That's pretty sucks..
HAIL SATAN!!
--- In , "f.follets" <f.follets@ wrote:
Well, there may be other ways of interpreting Saturn in Pisces, but I need to be totally honest with someone who also has it: by itself, it's very bad.
Of course, Saturn is bad for everyone, but there are very good reasons why Pisces is the sign of defeat, the 12th house is the house of ruin and, in traditional astrology, Saturn rejoices therein. Obviously this doesn't mean life will be invariably miserable for those with Saturn there. In fact, many people seem to not even feel its effects strongly (if not by house position, like you), but that's because of the nature of Pisces. It's sedative.
Saturn is reality, substance, boundaries and Pisces is the exact opposite of that. With Saturn there, actions and endeavors often end up failing because they lack the foundation, or because they didn't have enough power to reach completion. Or maybe they reach the goal, but in the end the results are underwhelming and it was probably a wasted effort anyway. Nothing is ever good enough. There is a sort of eternal discomfort, a yearning for something that is not there, for perfection, essentially something that *does not exist* in the literal sense (Pisces).
Ever since I was a kid, I had symbolic dreams in which I would do many absurd things to reach some kind of power that would enable me to do *stuff*, and just as I got it... it wasn't what I was thinking, or there was something missing. Only many years later I would know that this is precisely the nature of Saturn in Pisces.
It is a feeling of being stuck within oneself, and that's exatcly what it is. It's truly hard to turn the tide because Saturn lacks, in itself, the footing that it usually provides for real improvement.
What follows is, for people who can't deal with that, weakness of will, self-destructive tendencies and severe depression. All coming the a sense that one's actions are worth nothing, that existing is suffering, and that any real gain requires a huge, painful sacrifice. These are all themes of Pisces alone, but even more so with Saturn involved.
As for the spiritual implications of this placement, the effect of Saturn in Pisces is that it tends to limit or block the flow of spiritual energies, and also block contact with higher realms. This may be caused by an extremely deep, often unknown, fear of losing oneself with these kinds of experiences. As with everything in Pisces, it may not look or feel like that at all, but it probably is. Emotinal repression is possible as well.
What I said earlier about perfection not existing in the literal sense is due to the perception of the world through life in an essentially material reality, which by the way is characterised by Saturn, who simultaneously creates the boundaries of reality for people and prevents them from breaking free of that, raising the sentiment of rebellion (Capricorn-Aquarius). We all know, however, that's not the case, and once we are free (past Aquarius), we can reach perfection (Pisces, completion).
What the placement of Saturn in Pisces does is making these imperfections and boundaries much more conspicuous, even in daily life, which is not the case when it's in the other signs where it focus on other things. It makes reality much more difficult to bear, all the time. This can be both a very bad and a very good thing, depending on how well you handle. It enables one to be counscious of - or overwhelmed by - what's beyond, what's missing, and given proper guidance and enough understanding, may lead to a true spiritual breakthrough - or may even lead to a slow, painful death, caused by the own person.
It's important to note, if I didn't make that clear, that all the issues of Saturn in Pisces, or at least the worst ones, are completely internal. They are caused by states of mind and spirit, and can usually solved alone, with self-knowledge. The external issues are caused by house position and aspects, as usual.
Other planetary placements and aspects will obviously change the overall picture, but if there are other Pisces or 12th house planets, it's very likely that this will all be experienced in full.
Thank you Zevios! this post have actually opened my eyes a bit for what it is, a Saturn in Pisces. I'm most definitely not giving up to him and I'll do my best to fight untill I will indulge in my achievements.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
--- In , "Zevios Metathronos" <Zevios Metathronos@... wrote:
I knoq how hard it can be with this placement. In fact this is horrific, unless one decides to get up there. By preserving, they can build spiritual powers and gifts of lasting value but it will be a slow process. Saturn also many times has a permanent effect,its like whatever you build has a solid foundation.
Saturn in pisces will definitely spiritually oppose you, and try to nake sure that you will never get past a point, but here is my yake on it. Imagine you're on a box ring, you are skinny as fuck, weak, and you have an experienced boxer opposing you. You will most certainly lose and it would take real power of Soul and preseverance, but once you will defeat him then you will be so far more experienced, powerful and what you had achieved will be permanent and you will be far more far than people who never vBulletin had opposition in this. Its like a hardcore trained martial artist, those who make it to the end of the training are so hardcore that while others bend spiritually. They have been experiencing everyday.
Saturn might be disgusting, but see him as a trainer, the one who always kicks your ass, the one that motivates you to really suprass him and makes you a machine trying to find the way of getting bac at him. That way you will notice its like a strong boss, when you overcome him, you're above the strongest and most opposed.
HAIL SATAN!!!!!
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
Thanks for the info.
It is quite weird that Neptune is fall in Capricorn. I feel this planet's influence in my life all the time. It gives me alot of confusion and I can't even imagine the influence of it when it is in Pisces.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
--- In , "siguarddraconis" <drammanoth@ wrote:
The condition is called 'reception' - where one planet is in the other's domicile but is not in in detriment or exile, whilst the other is.
This is weakening, and one has to work hard to overcome the malevolent influence of those two.
Siguard Draconis.
Satanas Via, Vera et Vita est.
Ave Satanas! Rege Satanas!
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
I was just realizing something.
While the Ruler of Capricorn - Saturn, is found in Pisces, the Ruler of Pisces - Neptune, is found in Capricorn. And I bet it gives even more problems, as they are so different in their nature, as you stated.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
--- In , "f.follets" <f.follets@ wrote:
To put it simply, just as tjs4satan said, it's like you're cut off from the spiritual world. This can get worse if Saturn is in a spiritual house, like the 8th, 9th or the 12th, but the feeling is generally the same.
You *can* advance spiritually with Saturn in Pisces, it will just take more effort and knowledge than it would with other placements. Perseverance is key, but that's usually what's lacking when Saturn is in Pisces.
I, for example, despite studying meditations, techniques and spiritual subjects for many years, have never even been able to get into a trance state. Anything that can possibly alter the state of mind usually doesn't work very well (I have Saturn in the 9th house, though).
As I said, with proper guidance and knowledge, there can be a spiritual breakthrough. Those with this placement who somehow manage to deal with this and work on it thoroughly will experience, at some point, enormous spiritual growth. However it's not easy at all and, as usual with Saturn, will probably take time. The Saturn Return usually marks a time of huge growth and liberation from restrictive patterns.
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
First, thank you for being honest. Astrology is honest subject.
And it seem to be true with Saturn in Pisces. My life are hard. I'm not complaining to much, but it's actually hard. Well Saturn is the only planet Pisces, but still. I didn't truly understand the spiritual part. So you basically say I will always have a hard time with advancing spiritually? That's pretty sucks..
HAIL SATAN!!
--- In , "f.follets" <f.follets@ wrote:
Well, there may be other ways of interpreting Saturn in Pisces, but I need to be totally honest with someone who also has it: by itself, it's very bad.
Of course, Saturn is bad for everyone, but there are very good reasons why Pisces is the sign of defeat, the 12th house is the house of ruin and, in traditional astrology, Saturn rejoices therein. Obviously this doesn't mean life will be invariably miserable for those with Saturn there. In fact, many people seem to not even feel its effects strongly (if not by house position, like you), but that's because of the nature of Pisces. It's sedative.
Saturn is reality, substance, boundaries and Pisces is the exact opposite of that. With Saturn there, actions and endeavors often end up failing because they lack the foundation, or because they didn't have enough power to reach completion. Or maybe they reach the goal, but in the end the results are underwhelming and it was probably a wasted effort anyway. Nothing is ever good enough. There is a sort of eternal discomfort, a yearning for something that is not there, for perfection, essentially something that *does not exist* in the literal sense (Pisces).
Ever since I was a kid, I had symbolic dreams in which I would do many absurd things to reach some kind of power that would enable me to do *stuff*, and just as I got it... it wasn't what I was thinking, or there was something missing. Only many years later I would know that this is precisely the nature of Saturn in Pisces.
It is a feeling of being stuck within oneself, and that's exatcly what it is. It's truly hard to turn the tide because Saturn lacks, in itself, the footing that it usually provides for real improvement.
What follows is, for people who can't deal with that, weakness of will, self-destructive tendencies and severe depression. All coming the a sense that one's actions are worth nothing, that existing is suffering, and that any real gain requires a huge, painful sacrifice. These are all themes of Pisces alone, but even more so with Saturn involved.
As for the spiritual implications of this placement, the effect of Saturn in Pisces is that it tends to limit or block the flow of spiritual energies, and also block contact with higher realms. This may be caused by an extremely deep, often unknown, fear of losing oneself with these kinds of experiences. As with everything in Pisces, it may not look or feel like that at all, but it probably is. Emotinal repression is possible as well.
What I said earlier about perfection not existing in the literal sense is due to the perception of the world through life in an essentially material reality, which by the way is characterised by Saturn, who simultaneously creates the boundaries of reality for people and prevents them from breaking free of that, raising the sentiment of rebellion (Capricorn-Aquarius). We all know, however, that's not the case, and once we are free (past Aquarius), we can reach perfection (Pisces, completion).
What the placement of Saturn in Pisces does is making these imperfections and boundaries much more conspicuous, even in daily life, which is not the case when it's in the other signs where it focus on other things. It makes reality much more difficult to bear, all the time. This can be both a very bad and a very good thing, depending on how well you handle. It enables one to be counscious of - or overwhelmed by - what's beyond, what's missing, and given proper guidance and enough understanding, may lead to a true spiritual breakthrough - or may even lead to a slow, painful death, caused by the own person.
It's important to note, if I didn't make that clear, that all the issues of Saturn in Pisces, or at least the worst ones, are completely internal. They are caused by states of mind and spirit, and can usually solved alone, with self-knowledge. The external issues are caused by house position and aspects, as usual.
Other planetary placements and aspects will obviously change the overall picture, but if there are other Pisces or 12th house planets, it's very likely that this will all be experienced in full.
0
Thank you Zevios! this post have actually opened my eyes a bit for what it is, a Saturn in Pisces. I'm most definitely not giving up to him and I'll do my best to fight untill I will indulge in my achievements.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
--- In , "Zevios Metathronos" <Zevios Metathronos@... wrote:
I knoq how hard it can be with this placement. In fact this is horrific, unless one decides to get up there. By preserving, they can build spiritual powers and gifts of lasting value but it will be a slow process. Saturn also many times has a permanent effect,its like whatever you build has a solid foundation.
Saturn in pisces will definitely spiritually oppose you, and try to nake sure that you will never get past a point, but here is my yake on it. Imagine you're on a box ring, you are skinny as fuck, weak, and you have an experienced boxer opposing you. You will most certainly lose and it would take real power of Soul and preseverance, but once you will defeat him then you will be so far more experienced, powerful and what you had achieved will be permanent and you will be far more far than people who never vBulletin had opposition in this. Its like a hardcore trained martial artist, those who make it to the end of the training are so hardcore that while others bend spiritually. They have been experiencing everyday.
Saturn might be disgusting, but see him as a trainer, the one who always kicks your ass, the one that motivates you to really suprass him and makes you a machine trying to find the way of getting bac at him. That way you will notice its like a strong boss, when you overcome him, you're above the strongest and most opposed.
HAIL SATAN!!!!!
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
Thanks for the info.
It is quite weird that Neptune is fall in Capricorn. I feel this planet's influence in my life all the time. It gives me alot of confusion and I can't even imagine the influence of it when it is in Pisces.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
--- In , "siguarddraconis" <drammanoth@ wrote:
The condition is called 'reception' - where one planet is in the other's domicile but is not in in detriment or exile, whilst the other is.
This is weakening, and one has to work hard to overcome the malevolent influence of those two.
Siguard Draconis.
Satanas Via, Vera et Vita est.
Ave Satanas! Rege Satanas!
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
I was just realizing something.
While the Ruler of Capricorn - Saturn, is found in Pisces, the Ruler of Pisces - Neptune, is found in Capricorn. And I bet it gives even more problems, as they are so different in their nature, as you stated.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
--- In , "f.follets" <f.follets@ wrote:
To put it simply, just as tjs4satan said, it's like you're cut off from the spiritual world. This can get worse if Saturn is in a spiritual house, like the 8th, 9th or the 12th, but the feeling is generally the same.
You *can* advance spiritually with Saturn in Pisces, it will just take more effort and knowledge than it would with other placements. Perseverance is key, but that's usually what's lacking when Saturn is in Pisces.
I, for example, despite studying meditations, techniques and spiritual subjects for many years, have never even been able to get into a trance state. Anything that can possibly alter the state of mind usually doesn't work very well (I have Saturn in the 9th house, though).
As I said, with proper guidance and knowledge, there can be a spiritual breakthrough. Those with this placement who somehow manage to deal with this and work on it thoroughly will experience, at some point, enormous spiritual growth. However it's not easy at all and, as usual with Saturn, will probably take time. The Saturn Return usually marks a time of huge growth and liberation from restrictive patterns.
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
First, thank you for being honest. Astrology is honest subject.
And it seem to be true with Saturn in Pisces. My life are hard. I'm not complaining to much, but it's actually hard. Well Saturn is the only planet Pisces, but still. I didn't truly understand the spiritual part. So you basically say I will always have a hard time with advancing spiritually? That's pretty sucks..
HAIL SATAN!!
--- In , "f.follets" <f.follets@ wrote:
Well, there may be other ways of interpreting Saturn in Pisces, but I need to be totally honest with someone who also has it: by itself, it's very bad.
Of course, Saturn is bad for everyone, but there are very good reasons why Pisces is the sign of defeat, the 12th house is the house of ruin and, in traditional astrology, Saturn rejoices therein. Obviously this doesn't mean life will be invariably miserable for those with Saturn there. In fact, many people seem to not even feel its effects strongly (if not by house position, like you), but that's because of the nature of Pisces. It's sedative.
Saturn is reality, substance, boundaries and Pisces is the exact opposite of that. With Saturn there, actions and endeavors often end up failing because they lack the foundation, or because they didn't have enough power to reach completion. Or maybe they reach the goal, but in the end the results are underwhelming and it was probably a wasted effort anyway. Nothing is ever good enough. There is a sort of eternal discomfort, a yearning for something that is not there, for perfection, essentially something that *does not exist* in the literal sense (Pisces).
Ever since I was a kid, I had symbolic dreams in which I would do many absurd things to reach some kind of power that would enable me to do *stuff*, and just as I got it... it wasn't what I was thinking, or there was something missing. Only many years later I would know that this is precisely the nature of Saturn in Pisces.
It is a feeling of being stuck within oneself, and that's exatcly what it is. It's truly hard to turn the tide because Saturn lacks, in itself, the footing that it usually provides for real improvement.
What follows is, for people who can't deal with that, weakness of will, self-destructive tendencies and severe depression. All coming the a sense that one's actions are worth nothing, that existing is suffering, and that any real gain requires a huge, painful sacrifice. These are all themes of Pisces alone, but even more so with Saturn involved.
As for the spiritual implications of this placement, the effect of Saturn in Pisces is that it tends to limit or block the flow of spiritual energies, and also block contact with higher realms. This may be caused by an extremely deep, often unknown, fear of losing oneself with these kinds of experiences. As with everything in Pisces, it may not look or feel like that at all, but it probably is. Emotinal repression is possible as well.
What I said earlier about perfection not existing in the literal sense is due to the perception of the world through life in an essentially material reality, which by the way is characterised by Saturn, who simultaneously creates the boundaries of reality for people and prevents them from breaking free of that, raising the sentiment of rebellion (Capricorn-Aquarius). We all know, however, that's not the case, and once we are free (past Aquarius), we can reach perfection (Pisces, completion).
What the placement of Saturn in Pisces does is making these imperfections and boundaries much more conspicuous, even in daily life, which is not the case when it's in the other signs where it focus on other things. It makes reality much more difficult to bear, all the time. This can be both a very bad and a very good thing, depending on how well you handle. It enables one to be counscious of - or overwhelmed by - what's beyond, what's missing, and given proper guidance and enough understanding, may lead to a true spiritual breakthrough - or may even lead to a slow, painful death, caused by the own person.
It's important to note, if I didn't make that clear, that all the issues of Saturn in Pisces, or at least the worst ones, are completely internal. They are caused by states of mind and spirit, and can usually solved alone, with self-knowledge. The external issues are caused by house position and aspects, as usual.
Other planetary placements and aspects will obviously change the overall picture, but if there are other Pisces or 12th house planets, it's very likely that this will all be experienced in full.
Zevios, you always get me motivated in nearly every post of yours that i read and i love it.
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Zevios Metathronos <[ email redacted ] wrote:
I knoq how hard it can be with this placement. In fact this is horrific, unless one decides to get up there. By preserving, they can build spiritual powers and gifts of lasting value but it will be a slow process. Saturn also many times has a permanent effect,its like whatever you build has a solid foundation.
Saturn in pisces will definitely spiritually oppose you, and try to nake sure that you will never get past a point, but here is my yake on it. Imagine you're on a box ring, you are skinny as fuck, weak, and you have an experienced boxer opposing you. You will most certainly lose and it would take real power of Soul and preseverance, but once you will defeat him then you will be so far more experienced, powerful and what you had achieved will be permanent and you will be far more far than people who never vBulletin had opposition in this. Its like a hardcore trained martial artist, those who make it to the end of the training are so hardcore that while others bend spiritually. They have been experiencing everyday.
Saturn might be disgusting, but see him as a trainer, the one who always kicks your ass, the one that motivates you to really suprass him and makes you a machine trying to find the way of getting bac at him. That way you will notice its like a strong boss, when you overcome him, you're above the strongest and most opposed.
HAIL SATAN!!!!!--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@... wrote:
Thanks for the info.
It is quite weird that Neptune is fall in Capricorn. I feel this planet's influence in my life all the time. It gives me alot of confusion and I can't even imagine the influence of it when it is in Pisces.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
--- In , "siguarddraconis" <drammanoth@ wrote:
The condition is called 'reception' - where one planet is in the other's domicile but is not in in detriment or exile, whilst the other is.
This is weakening, and one has to work hard to overcome the malevolent influence of those two.
Siguard Draconis.
Satanas Via, Vera et Vita est.
Ave Satanas! Rege Satanas!
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
I was just realizing something.
While the Ruler of Capricorn - Saturn, is found in Pisces, the Ruler of Pisces - Neptune, is found in Capricorn. And I bet it gives even more problems, as they are so different in their nature, as you stated.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
--- In , "f.follets" <f.follets@ wrote:
To put it simply, just as tjs4satan said, it's like you're cut off from the spiritual world. This can get worse if Saturn is in a spiritual house, like the 8th, 9th or the 12th, but the feeling is generally the same.
You *can* advance spiritually with Saturn in Pisces, it will just take more effort and knowledge than it would with other placements. Perseverance is key, but that's usually what's lacking when Saturn is in Pisces.
I, for example, despite studying meditations, techniques and spiritual subjects for many years, have never even been able to get into a trance state. Anything that can possibly alter the state of mind usually doesn't work very well (I have Saturn in the 9th house, though).
As I said, with proper guidance and knowledge, there can be a spiritual breakthrough. Those with this placement who somehow manage to deal with this and work on it thoroughly will experience, at some point, enormous spiritual growth. However it's not easy at all and, as usual with Saturn, will probably take time. The Saturn Return usually marks a time of huge growth and liberation from restrictive patterns.
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
First, thank you for being honest. Astrology is honest subject.
And it seem to be true with Saturn in Pisces. My life are hard. I'm not complaining to much, but it's actually hard. Well Saturn is the only planet Pisces, but still. I didn't truly understand the spiritual part. So you basically say I will always have a hard time with advancing spiritually? That's pretty sucks..
HAIL SATAN!!
--- In , "f.follets" <f.follets@ wrote:
Well, there may be other ways of interpreting Saturn in Pisces, but I need to be totally honest with someone who also has it: by itself, it's very bad.
Of course, Saturn is bad for everyone, but there are very good reasons why Pisces is the sign of defeat, the 12th house is the house of ruin and, in traditional astrology, Saturn rejoices therein. Obviously this doesn't mean life will be invariably miserable for those with Saturn there. In fact, many people seem to not even feel its effects strongly (if not by house position, like you), but that's because of the nature of Pisces. It's sedative.
Saturn is reality, substance, boundaries and Pisces is the exact opposite of that. With Saturn there, actions and endeavors often end up failing because they lack the foundation, or because they didn't have enough power to reach completion. Or maybe they reach the goal, but in the end the results are underwhelming and it was probably a wasted effort anyway. Nothing is ever good enough. There is a sort of eternal discomfort, a yearning for something that is not there, for perfection, essentially something that *does not exist* in the literal sense (Pisces).
Ever since I was a kid, I had symbolic dreams in which I would do many absurd things to reach some kind of power that would enable me to do *stuff*, and just as I got it... it wasn't what I was thinking, or there was something missing. Only many years later I would know that this is precisely the nature of Saturn in Pisces.
It is a feeling of being stuck within oneself, and that's exatcly what it is. It's truly hard to turn the tide because Saturn lacks, in itself, the footing that it usually provides for real improvement.
What follows is, for people who can't deal with that, weakness of will, self-destructive tendencies and severe depression. All coming the a sense that one's actions are worth nothing, that existing is suffering, and that any real gain requires a huge, painful sacrifice. These are all themes of Pisces alone, but even more so with Saturn involved.
As for the spiritual implications of this placement, the effect of Saturn in Pisces is that it tends to limit or block the flow of spiritual energies, and also block contact with higher realms. This may be caused by an extremely deep, often unknown, fear of losing oneself with these kinds of experiences. As with everything in Pisces, it may not look or feel like that at all, but it probably is. Emotinal repression is possible as well.
What I said earlier about perfection not existing in the literal sense is due to the perception of the world through life in an essentially material reality, which by the way is characterised by Saturn, who simultaneously creates the boundaries of reality for people and prevents them from breaking free of that, raising the sentiment of rebellion (Capricorn-Aquarius). We all know, however, that's not the case, and once we are free (past Aquarius), we can reach perfection (Pisces, completion).
What the placement of Saturn in Pisces does is making these imperfections and boundaries much more conspicuous, even in daily life, which is not the case when it's in the other signs where it focus on other things. It makes reality much more difficult to bear, all the time. This can be both a very bad and a very good thing, depending on how well you handle. It enables one to be counscious of - or overwhelmed by - what's beyond, what's missing, and given proper guidance and enough understanding, may lead to a true spiritual breakthrough - or may even lead to a slow, painful death, caused by the own person.
It's important to note, if I didn't make that clear, that all the issues of Saturn in Pisces, or at least the worst ones, are completely internal. They are caused by states of mind and spirit, and can usually solved alone, with self-knowledge. The external issues are caused by house position and aspects, as usual.
Other planetary placements and aspects will obviously change the overall picture, but if there are other Pisces or 12th house planets, it's very likely that this will all be experienced in full.
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Zevios, you always get me motivated in nearly every post of yours that i read and i love it.
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Zevios Metathronos <[ email redacted ] wrote:
I knoq how hard it can be with this placement. In fact this is horrific, unless one decides to get up there. By preserving, they can build spiritual powers and gifts of lasting value but it will be a slow process. Saturn also many times has a permanent effect,its like whatever you build has a solid foundation.
Saturn in pisces will definitely spiritually oppose you, and try to nake sure that you will never get past a point, but here is my yake on it. Imagine you're on a box ring, you are skinny as fuck, weak, and you have an experienced boxer opposing you. You will most certainly lose and it would take real power of Soul and preseverance, but once you will defeat him then you will be so far more experienced, powerful and what you had achieved will be permanent and you will be far more far than people who never vBulletin had opposition in this. Its like a hardcore trained martial artist, those who make it to the end of the training are so hardcore that while others bend spiritually. They have been experiencing everyday.
Saturn might be disgusting, but see him as a trainer, the one who always kicks your ass, the one that motivates you to really suprass him and makes you a machine trying to find the way of getting bac at him. That way you will notice its like a strong boss, when you overcome him, you're above the strongest and most opposed.
HAIL SATAN!!!!!--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@... wrote:
Thanks for the info.
It is quite weird that Neptune is fall in Capricorn. I feel this planet's influence in my life all the time. It gives me alot of confusion and I can't even imagine the influence of it when it is in Pisces.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
--- In , "siguarddraconis" <drammanoth@ wrote:
The condition is called 'reception' - where one planet is in the other's domicile but is not in in detriment or exile, whilst the other is.
This is weakening, and one has to work hard to overcome the malevolent influence of those two.
Siguard Draconis.
Satanas Via, Vera et Vita est.
Ave Satanas! Rege Satanas!
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
I was just realizing something.
While the Ruler of Capricorn - Saturn, is found in Pisces, the Ruler of Pisces - Neptune, is found in Capricorn. And I bet it gives even more problems, as they are so different in their nature, as you stated.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
--- In , "f.follets" <f.follets@ wrote:
To put it simply, just as tjs4satan said, it's like you're cut off from the spiritual world. This can get worse if Saturn is in a spiritual house, like the 8th, 9th or the 12th, but the feeling is generally the same.
You *can* advance spiritually with Saturn in Pisces, it will just take more effort and knowledge than it would with other placements. Perseverance is key, but that's usually what's lacking when Saturn is in Pisces.
I, for example, despite studying meditations, techniques and spiritual subjects for many years, have never even been able to get into a trance state. Anything that can possibly alter the state of mind usually doesn't work very well (I have Saturn in the 9th house, though).
As I said, with proper guidance and knowledge, there can be a spiritual breakthrough. Those with this placement who somehow manage to deal with this and work on it thoroughly will experience, at some point, enormous spiritual growth. However it's not easy at all and, as usual with Saturn, will probably take time. The Saturn Return usually marks a time of huge growth and liberation from restrictive patterns.
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
First, thank you for being honest. Astrology is honest subject.
And it seem to be true with Saturn in Pisces. My life are hard. I'm not complaining to much, but it's actually hard. Well Saturn is the only planet Pisces, but still. I didn't truly understand the spiritual part. So you basically say I will always have a hard time with advancing spiritually? That's pretty sucks..
HAIL SATAN!!
--- In , "f.follets" <f.follets@ wrote:
Well, there may be other ways of interpreting Saturn in Pisces, but I need to be totally honest with someone who also has it: by itself, it's very bad.
Of course, Saturn is bad for everyone, but there are very good reasons why Pisces is the sign of defeat, the 12th house is the house of ruin and, in traditional astrology, Saturn rejoices therein. Obviously this doesn't mean life will be invariably miserable for those with Saturn there. In fact, many people seem to not even feel its effects strongly (if not by house position, like you), but that's because of the nature of Pisces. It's sedative.
Saturn is reality, substance, boundaries and Pisces is the exact opposite of that. With Saturn there, actions and endeavors often end up failing because they lack the foundation, or because they didn't have enough power to reach completion. Or maybe they reach the goal, but in the end the results are underwhelming and it was probably a wasted effort anyway. Nothing is ever good enough. There is a sort of eternal discomfort, a yearning for something that is not there, for perfection, essentially something that *does not exist* in the literal sense (Pisces).
Ever since I was a kid, I had symbolic dreams in which I would do many absurd things to reach some kind of power that would enable me to do *stuff*, and just as I got it... it wasn't what I was thinking, or there was something missing. Only many years later I would know that this is precisely the nature of Saturn in Pisces.
It is a feeling of being stuck within oneself, and that's exatcly what it is. It's truly hard to turn the tide because Saturn lacks, in itself, the footing that it usually provides for real improvement.
What follows is, for people who can't deal with that, weakness of will, self-destructive tendencies and severe depression. All coming the a sense that one's actions are worth nothing, that existing is suffering, and that any real gain requires a huge, painful sacrifice. These are all themes of Pisces alone, but even more so with Saturn involved.
As for the spiritual implications of this placement, the effect of Saturn in Pisces is that it tends to limit or block the flow of spiritual energies, and also block contact with higher realms. This may be caused by an extremely deep, often unknown, fear of losing oneself with these kinds of experiences. As with everything in Pisces, it may not look or feel like that at all, but it probably is. Emotinal repression is possible as well.
What I said earlier about perfection not existing in the literal sense is due to the perception of the world through life in an essentially material reality, which by the way is characterised by Saturn, who simultaneously creates the boundaries of reality for people and prevents them from breaking free of that, raising the sentiment of rebellion (Capricorn-Aquarius). We all know, however, that's not the case, and once we are free (past Aquarius), we can reach perfection (Pisces, completion).
What the placement of Saturn in Pisces does is making these imperfections and boundaries much more conspicuous, even in daily life, which is not the case when it's in the other signs where it focus on other things. It makes reality much more difficult to bear, all the time. This can be both a very bad and a very good thing, depending on how well you handle. It enables one to be counscious of - or overwhelmed by - what's beyond, what's missing, and given proper guidance and enough understanding, may lead to a true spiritual breakthrough - or may even lead to a slow, painful death, caused by the own person.
It's important to note, if I didn't make that clear, that all the issues of Saturn in Pisces, or at least the worst ones, are completely internal. They are caused by states of mind and spirit, and can usually solved alone, with self-knowledge. The external issues are caused by house position and aspects, as usual.
Other planetary placements and aspects will obviously change the overall picture, but if there are other Pisces or 12th house planets, it's very likely that this will all be experienced in full.
--- In , "Zevios Metathronos" <Zevios Metathronos@... wrote:
I knoq how hard it can be with this placement. In fact this is horrific, unless one decides to get up there. By preserving, they can build spiritual powers and gifts of lasting value but it will be a slow process. Saturn also many times has a permanent effect,its like whatever you build has a solid foundation.
Saturn in pisces will definitely spiritually oppose you, and try to nake sure that you will never get past a point, but here is my yake on it. Imagine you're on a box ring, you are skinny as fuck, weak, and you have an experienced boxer opposing you. You will most certainly lose and it would take real power of Soul and preseverance, but once you will defeat him then you will be so far more experienced, powerful and what you had achieved will be permanent and you will be far more far than people who never vBulletin had opposition in this. Its like a hardcore trained martial artist, those who make it to the end of the training are so hardcore that while others bend spiritually. They have been experiencing everyday.
Saturn might be disgusting, but see him as a trainer, the one who always kicks your ass, the one that motivates you to really suprass him and makes you a machine trying to find the way of getting bac at him. That way you will notice its like a strong boss, when you overcome him, you're above the strongest and most opposed.
HAIL SATAN!!!!!
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
Thanks for the info.
It is quite weird that Neptune is fall in Capricorn. I feel this planet's influence in my life all the time. It gives me alot of confusion and I can't even imagine the influence of it when it is in Pisces.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
--- In , "siguarddraconis" <drammanoth@ wrote:
The condition is called 'reception' - where one planet is in the other's domicile but is not in in detriment or exile, whilst the other is.
This is weakening, and one has to work hard to overcome the malevolent influence of those two.
Siguard Draconis.
Satanas Via, Vera et Vita est.
Ave Satanas! Rege Satanas!
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
I was just realizing something.
While the Ruler of Capricorn - Saturn, is found in Pisces, the Ruler of Pisces - Neptune, is found in Capricorn. And I bet it gives even more problems, as they are so different in their nature, as you stated.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
--- In , "f.follets" <f.follets@ wrote:
To put it simply, just as tjs4satan said, it's like you're cut off from the spiritual world. This can get worse if Saturn is in a spiritual house, like the 8th, 9th or the 12th, but the feeling is generally the same.
You *can* advance spiritually with Saturn in Pisces, it will just take more effort and knowledge than it would with other placements. Perseverance is key, but that's usually what's lacking when Saturn is in Pisces.
I, for example, despite studying meditations, techniques and spiritual subjects for many years, have never even been able to get into a trance state. Anything that can possibly alter the state of mind usually doesn't work very well (I have Saturn in the 9th house, though).
As I said, with proper guidance and knowledge, there can be a spiritual breakthrough. Those with this placement who somehow manage to deal with this and work on it thoroughly will experience, at some point, enormous spiritual growth. However it's not easy at all and, as usual with Saturn, will probably take time. The Saturn Return usually marks a time of huge growth and liberation from restrictive patterns.
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
First, thank you for being honest. Astrology is honest subject.
And it seem to be true with Saturn in Pisces. My life are hard. I'm not complaining to much, but it's actually hard. Well Saturn is the only planet Pisces, but still. I didn't truly understand the spiritual part. So you basically say I will always have a hard time with advancing spiritually? That's pretty sucks..
HAIL SATAN!!
--- In , "f.follets" <f.follets@ wrote:
Well, there may be other ways of interpreting Saturn in Pisces, but I need to be totally honest with someone who also has it: by itself, it's very bad.
Of course, Saturn is bad for everyone, but there are very good reasons why Pisces is the sign of defeat, the 12th house is the house of ruin and, in traditional astrology, Saturn rejoices therein. Obviously this doesn't mean life will be invariably miserable for those with Saturn there. In fact, many people seem to not even feel its effects strongly (if not by house position, like you), but that's because of the nature of Pisces. It's sedative.
Saturn is reality, substance, boundaries and Pisces is the exact opposite of that. With Saturn there, actions and endeavors often end up failing because they lack the foundation, or because they didn't have enough power to reach completion. Or maybe they reach the goal, but in the end the results are underwhelming and it was probably a wasted effort anyway. Nothing is ever good enough. There is a sort of eternal discomfort, a yearning for something that is not there, for perfection, essentially something that *does not exist* in the literal sense (Pisces).
Ever since I was a kid, I had symbolic dreams in which I would do many absurd things to reach some kind of power that would enable me to do *stuff*, and just as I got it... it wasn't what I was thinking, or there was something missing. Only many years later I would know that this is precisely the nature of Saturn in Pisces.
It is a feeling of being stuck within oneself, and that's exatcly what it is. It's truly hard to turn the tide because Saturn lacks, in itself, the footing that it usually provides for real improvement.
What follows is, for people who can't deal with that, weakness of will, self-destructive tendencies and severe depression. All coming the a sense that one's actions are worth nothing, that existing is suffering, and that any real gain requires a huge, painful sacrifice. These are all themes of Pisces alone, but even more so with Saturn involved.
As for the spiritual implications of this placement, the effect of Saturn in Pisces is that it tends to limit or block the flow of spiritual energies, and also block contact with higher realms. This may be caused by an extremely deep, often unknown, fear of losing oneself with these kinds of experiences. As with everything in Pisces, it may not look or feel like that at all, but it probably is. Emotinal repression is possible as well.
What I said earlier about perfection not existing in the literal sense is due to the perception of the world through life in an essentially material reality, which by the way is characterised by Saturn, who simultaneously creates the boundaries of reality for people and prevents them from breaking free of that, raising the sentiment of rebellion (Capricorn-Aquarius). We all know, however, that's not the case, and once we are free (past Aquarius), we can reach perfection (Pisces, completion).
What the placement of Saturn in Pisces does is making these imperfections and boundaries much more conspicuous, even in daily life, which is not the case when it's in the other signs where it focus on other things. It makes reality much more difficult to bear, all the time. This can be both a very bad and a very good thing, depending on how well you handle. It enables one to be counscious of - or overwhelmed by - what's beyond, what's missing, and given proper guidance and enough understanding, may lead to a true spiritual breakthrough - or may even lead to a slow, painful death, caused by the own person.
It's important to note, if I didn't make that clear, that all the issues of Saturn in Pisces, or at least the worst ones, are completely internal. They are caused by states of mind and spirit, and can usually solved alone, with self-knowledge. The external issues are caused by house position and aspects, as usual.
Other planetary placements and aspects will obviously change the overall picture, but if there are other Pisces or 12th house planets, it's very likely that this will all be experienced in full.
Thank you Zevios Metathronos, ill look at Saturn like a trainer, someone i am to surpass, its a great way to look at it.
Hail Satan!!!!
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--- In , "Zevios Metathronos" <Zevios Metathronos@... wrote:
I knoq how hard it can be with this placement. In fact this is horrific, unless one decides to get up there. By preserving, they can build spiritual powers and gifts of lasting value but it will be a slow process. Saturn also many times has a permanent effect,its like whatever you build has a solid foundation.
Saturn in pisces will definitely spiritually oppose you, and try to nake sure that you will never get past a point, but here is my yake on it. Imagine you're on a box ring, you are skinny as fuck, weak, and you have an experienced boxer opposing you. You will most certainly lose and it would take real power of Soul and preseverance, but once you will defeat him then you will be so far more experienced, powerful and what you had achieved will be permanent and you will be far more far than people who never vBulletin had opposition in this. Its like a hardcore trained martial artist, those who make it to the end of the training are so hardcore that while others bend spiritually. They have been experiencing everyday.
Saturn might be disgusting, but see him as a trainer, the one who always kicks your ass, the one that motivates you to really suprass him and makes you a machine trying to find the way of getting bac at him. That way you will notice its like a strong boss, when you overcome him, you're above the strongest and most opposed.
HAIL SATAN!!!!!
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
Thanks for the info.
It is quite weird that Neptune is fall in Capricorn. I feel this planet's influence in my life all the time. It gives me alot of confusion and I can't even imagine the influence of it when it is in Pisces.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
--- In , "siguarddraconis" <drammanoth@ wrote:
The condition is called 'reception' - where one planet is in the other's domicile but is not in in detriment or exile, whilst the other is.
This is weakening, and one has to work hard to overcome the malevolent influence of those two.
Siguard Draconis.
Satanas Via, Vera et Vita est.
Ave Satanas! Rege Satanas!
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
I was just realizing something.
While the Ruler of Capricorn - Saturn, is found in Pisces, the Ruler of Pisces - Neptune, is found in Capricorn. And I bet it gives even more problems, as they are so different in their nature, as you stated.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
--- In , "f.follets" <f.follets@ wrote:
To put it simply, just as tjs4satan said, it's like you're cut off from the spiritual world. This can get worse if Saturn is in a spiritual house, like the 8th, 9th or the 12th, but the feeling is generally the same.
You *can* advance spiritually with Saturn in Pisces, it will just take more effort and knowledge than it would with other placements. Perseverance is key, but that's usually what's lacking when Saturn is in Pisces.
I, for example, despite studying meditations, techniques and spiritual subjects for many years, have never even been able to get into a trance state. Anything that can possibly alter the state of mind usually doesn't work very well (I have Saturn in the 9th house, though).
As I said, with proper guidance and knowledge, there can be a spiritual breakthrough. Those with this placement who somehow manage to deal with this and work on it thoroughly will experience, at some point, enormous spiritual growth. However it's not easy at all and, as usual with Saturn, will probably take time. The Saturn Return usually marks a time of huge growth and liberation from restrictive patterns.
--- In , "hailazazel" <hailazazel@ wrote:
First, thank you for being honest. Astrology is honest subject.
And it seem to be true with Saturn in Pisces. My life are hard. I'm not complaining to much, but it's actually hard. Well Saturn is the only planet Pisces, but still. I didn't truly understand the spiritual part. So you basically say I will always have a hard time with advancing spiritually? That's pretty sucks..
HAIL SATAN!!
--- In , "f.follets" <f.follets@ wrote:
Well, there may be other ways of interpreting Saturn in Pisces, but I need to be totally honest with someone who also has it: by itself, it's very bad.
Of course, Saturn is bad for everyone, but there are very good reasons why Pisces is the sign of defeat, the 12th house is the house of ruin and, in traditional astrology, Saturn rejoices therein. Obviously this doesn't mean life will be invariably miserable for those with Saturn there. In fact, many people seem to not even feel its effects strongly (if not by house position, like you), but that's because of the nature of Pisces. It's sedative.
Saturn is reality, substance, boundaries and Pisces is the exact opposite of that. With Saturn there, actions and endeavors often end up failing because they lack the foundation, or because they didn't have enough power to reach completion. Or maybe they reach the goal, but in the end the results are underwhelming and it was probably a wasted effort anyway. Nothing is ever good enough. There is a sort of eternal discomfort, a yearning for something that is not there, for perfection, essentially something that *does not exist* in the literal sense (Pisces).
Ever since I was a kid, I had symbolic dreams in which I would do many absurd things to reach some kind of power that would enable me to do *stuff*, and just as I got it... it wasn't what I was thinking, or there was something missing. Only many years later I would know that this is precisely the nature of Saturn in Pisces.
It is a feeling of being stuck within oneself, and that's exatcly what it is. It's truly hard to turn the tide because Saturn lacks, in itself, the footing that it usually provides for real improvement.
What follows is, for people who can't deal with that, weakness of will, self-destructive tendencies and severe depression. All coming the a sense that one's actions are worth nothing, that existing is suffering, and that any real gain requires a huge, painful sacrifice. These are all themes of Pisces alone, but even more so with Saturn involved.
As for the spiritual implications of this placement, the effect of Saturn in Pisces is that it tends to limit or block the flow of spiritual energies, and also block contact with higher realms. This may be caused by an extremely deep, often unknown, fear of losing oneself with these kinds of experiences. As with everything in Pisces, it may not look or feel like that at all, but it probably is. Emotinal repression is possible as well.
What I said earlier about perfection not existing in the literal sense is due to the perception of the world through life in an essentially material reality, which by the way is characterised by Saturn, who simultaneously creates the boundaries of reality for people and prevents them from breaking free of that, raising the sentiment of rebellion (Capricorn-Aquarius). We all know, however, that's not the case, and once we are free (past Aquarius), we can reach perfection (Pisces, completion).
What the placement of Saturn in Pisces does is making these imperfections and boundaries much more conspicuous, even in daily life, which is not the case when it's in the other signs where it focus on other things. It makes reality much more difficult to bear, all the time. This can be both a very bad and a very good thing, depending on how well you handle. It enables one to be counscious of - or overwhelmed by - what's beyond, what's missing, and given proper guidance and enough understanding, may lead to a true spiritual breakthrough - or may even lead to a slow, painful death, caused by the own person.
It's important to note, if I didn't make that clear, that all the issues of Saturn in Pisces, or at least the worst ones, are completely internal. They are caused by states of mind and spirit, and can usually solved alone, with self-knowledge. The external issues are caused by house position and aspects, as usual.
Other planetary placements and aspects will obviously change the overall picture, but if there are other Pisces or 12th house planets, it's very likely that this will all be experienced in full.
Thank you Zevios Metathronos, ill look at Saturn like a trainer, someone i am to surpass, its a great way to look at it.
Hail Satan!!!!