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On Saturn

AvatarHigh Priest Zevios Metathronos4 min to read

Saturn traditionally in Pagan culture was not only a malefic planet as it is observed today. In the new age community, Saturn became synonymous to death cults, destruction and death, all of which are ruled by Saturn, but esoterically, Saturn is not only that.

However, the fact that something is related to these things does not make it necessarily evil, but in proportion to ourselves, for the most part.

One example here is that in nature, death and decompossition, ruled by Saturn, is also essential to health and wellbeing. To elimitate that which is unhealthy or no longer necessary for example.

Astrologically, Saturn is "malefic", but there is a perception that is key here. If someone is responsible, and handles well the notion of natural necessity and responsibility, Saturn will not always outright punish people. This also depends on the placement of Saturn in your own natal chart.

Saturn is the also the reaping of goods. Of course, when you reap the field and you plant things, the only thing you think of is "my back hurts", "why do I need to do this" and you curse the heavens for this fate you have been given. Saturn also rules overwork, but also, careful planning, and it can also act as protection, albeit in weird fashions which are not necessarily pleasant to humanity.

How did any good reaping come into this world? By great Sowing. This is why Saturnus traditionally holds the Diamond Sickle. Diamond is a spiritual term, and also, is a sign of indestructibility. Saturn we can offset, but it will always be hardwired to our "existence" as entropy and decomposition are natural and they will always exist. We can escape or distance ourselves from them, however.

Generally since many people are fallen on a low spiritual level, and since Saturn's energy is that of necessity, and people are generally inclined to disrespect to nature and lying to themselves very hard about life, Saturn comes with the diamond sickle and can cut someone's head off. Many people grow through Saturn transits and become stronger, while a properly handled Saturn can even empower a person, and show you strength in overcoming obstacles in life.

In the new age there have been a lot of things said about Saturn while some authors like xians have purely demonized Saturn and tried to create a meme that it is the source of all evil. Saturn would not be a problem to us if we were more spiritually aware. Many of these books also attack Saturn with virulence, saying that Saturn is "Satan" and therefore the womb of all evil.

This is extended further in the statements that aliens are using Saturn (which is probable) but what is key here is that WE have sunk on this level of Saturn, not the other way around.

Saturn also has been associated with Kingship as Saturn rules the immovable and the firmly founded, like the base chakra. But also restrain, imprisonment, full stagnation, and death. For this reason, we can and should take in consideration a limited amount of this energy.

As a last note (I will write more on this on a part two explaining the enemy's use of Saturn as well) we have to understand that Jupiter, however helpful, and however fun and benefic, can also cause disasters. A typical disaster here is for example growth of getting fat, or an inflation of confidence to the point of total ignorance.

Saturn, on the other hand, requires you actually do something to gain something, and shows you an extreme amount of functionality and experience. These planets work in conjunction naturally, and one is not morally bad from the other.

-High Priest Zevios Metathronos

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HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
darkmonkey666said:

How would someone completely get rid of negative aspects of Saturn and only bring positive ones like worry and shyness etc

Good sermon. That makes me feel better as I felt doom and gloom sometimes awhile back. I mentioned awhile back that Saturn can be positive.

I will note I tend to get along with people that have a strong Capricorn signature in their chart even if I am not fully like them and I notice some similar traits sometimes. When I looked at charts of people I met this showed up several times.

Please do not post or avoid posting about your personal, let alone, dangerous transits. I had to remove this for your safety.

I will explain and further some points on the part 2, which I think you will find helpful.

Ok I for sure wont reveal anymore information like that again. I will report another post from awhile back. that I revealed too much info on in my thoughts.

I will be much more careful in the future I was under the now I realize mistaken feeling that if I didnt say degrees sign and houses toghether that I would be ok. Thank you for looking out for me I think I will refrain from posting stuff about my astrology as I tend to not think and be impulsive sometimes although I have studied astrology (at least 8 or 9 years reading about stuff) I have a little to learn and want to practice on someone sometime but I think I'll do that on my own time with someone offline. I honestly dont want to be cursed. I just wanted to give my experience and tell why I know a lot about Saturns energy but that was dumb.

In fact I need to learn to keep my mouth shut more anyways on many things in the offline world. So far I am ok and not threatened or anything but I have come very close to revealing too much about what I believe a few times and did catch myself.

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HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
Fuchssaid:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

The Saturn square is not a necessary part for your development. You can ground yourself in other ways.

Most people do not fare well with Saturn because it's very difficult to handle, closely impossible. The Square has had mixed manifestations for people depending on their own Saturn and general disposition, and there is a warning issued on it as well.

Well will wait for part two ;) . Thx for the reply.

"Human beings must become enlightened in order to find their way in the dark. Becoming enlightened means becoming smart travelers, who acquire knowledge of the way, an understanding of the local language and friendship with other travelers. We are all travelers in eternity." Thoth

#22
HorusLucissaid:

This sermon addresses what most people here need to know.Saturnian transits,as most tend to believe are not all negative simply because,they force us to open up our eyes and see the reality for what it is.if we work to set our shit inorder,then,everythin' works out well but ignorin what Saturn points out for us to work on,then we are sure to have our butt kicked.
Hail Satan!

Ghost in the Machinesaid:

As somebody born with a very prominent Saturn I can definitely confirm that it is one hell of an ass-kicker and a sledge hammer to the teeth; absolute worst form of 'tough love' you can ask for. But I can definitely also confirm that I have become an incredibly strong individual both mentally and spiritually as a result.

A lot of us who were born around the time Saturn had a strong influence had very difficult and crushing pasts, lives that really tested our will for survival and I have noticed that 99% of us make it out alive thanks to Saturn's endurance, but not unscathed. The planet will give you a shit ton of hangups to work out once you make it to the other side and freeing our souls is a lot harder and takes way longer than others, but honestly the resulting strength of will and all the benefits you reap once you get past the worst of it is so unbelievably worth it.

Now that I've found myself out of, practically the 'torture chamber', I wouldn't change anything to be any different. I have gained so many benefits from standing the tests of Saturn, and I wouldn't take them back. Saturn will definitely churn out the toughest of warriors.

You both and I seem to agree. As for the strength and growth from it, I have had limited positive, albeit difficult and painful, results with that over the years (some of which was from before I knew about Spiritual Satanism, but not understanding anything - for some of it it took a long time), and while I have not yet become confident that it is at an end I think I can still say that it would still not be the easiest but it could make me stronger eventually.

"That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger", yes? Tough love, arse kicked, warrior training, growing callouses... In the limited realisation I have had I think I can say that it is for the better, and in the long run it should be worth it. Being too soft too much wouldn't bring out the best nor the strength in/of someone. I would also expect fluctuating, maybe tempestuous, attitudes, emotions and behaviours thereof, as well, while the Brain/Mind tries to hold on to what it is used to, the help tries pushing you or dragging you along better.

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HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
TopoftheAbysssaid:

I once read that it is the moon that gives this energy and that's why emotionally unstable people are called lunatic.
I also read that the moon is inhabited by human hybrids that see astral projections and remote viewers.

It's not the moons fault, I reassure you of that.

The moon can increase some influences but that's it.

Well, the article that I read said also that the moon is a pleiadian ship the Corrupted Beings stole. The pleiadians seem to be a lie of the enemy so it makes sense but the lunatic word is weird.

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TopoftheAbysssaid:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
TopoftheAbysssaid:

I once read that it is the moon that gives this energy and that's why emotionally unstable people are called lunatic.
I also read that the moon is inhabited by human hybrids that see astral projections and remote viewers.

It's not the moons fault, I reassure you of that.

The moon can increase some influences but that's it.

Well, the article that I read said also that the moon is a pleiadian ship the Corrupted Beings stole. The pleiadians seem to be a lie of the enemy so it makes sense but the lunatic word is weird.

No the reality is the moon is a giant donut, stolen from a donut shop in Ohio. It was enlarged by scientists and then launched on the atmosphere to feed a passing universe dinosaur that was hungry for donuts. Eventually the dinosaur didn't come, so the donut remained there and later became the moon. I read it online. Not sure if it is a Donut or made of cheese though. You ever heard of the phrase the Moon is Sweet? Its because of that incident. It proves a lot about the above.

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I also deleted this part where you advertise trash websites that literally promote an IQ of around 50 for the readers.

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HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
TopoftheAbysssaid:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:

It's not the moons fault, I reassure you of that.

The moon can increase some influences but that's it.

Well, the article that I read said also that the moon is a pleiadian ship the Corrupted Beings stole. The pleiadians seem to be a lie of the enemy so it makes sense but the lunatic word is weird.

No the reality is the moon is a giant donut, stolen from a donut shop in Ohio. It was enlarged by scientists and then launched on the atmosphere to feed a passing universe dinosaur that was hungry for donuts. Eventually the dinosaur didn't come, so the donut remained there and later became the moon. I read it online. Not sure if it is a Donut or made of cheese though. You ever heard of the phrase the Moon is Sweet? Its because of that incident. It proves a lot about the above.

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Part of what that website says agrees with JoS. What it said about the moon is not weirder than what is said on this forum.
But I admit your post made me laugh, not in the way you wanted though.

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TopoftheAbysssaid:
HP. Zevios Metathronossaid:
TopoftheAbysssaid:

Well, the article that I read said also that the moon is a pleiadian ship the Corrupted Beings stole. The pleiadians seem to be a lie of the enemy so it makes sense but the lunatic word is weird.

No the reality is the moon is a giant donut, stolen from a donut shop in Ohio. It was enlarged by scientists and then launched on the atmosphere to feed a passing universe dinosaur that was hungry for donuts. Eventually the dinosaur didn't come, so the donut remained there and later became the moon. I read it online. Not sure if it is a Donut or made of cheese though. You ever heard of the phrase the Moon is Sweet? Its because of that incident. It proves a lot about the above.

...ok

Part of what that website says agrees with JoS. What it said about the moon is not weirder than what is said on this forum.
But I admit your post made me laugh, not in the way you wanted though.

Lunacy is a term for increase in yin energy, and this is what causes in some people insanity, or other similar problems. But this has nothing to do with the moon being a spaceship.

I didn't want you to laugh by this reply, but by the stupidity of what some people say. Why does the moon have to be bad, because some people become lunatics?

Maybe stoves were a conspiracy from the Pleiadians since kids burn their finger on the stove?

It always makes me wonder why all these 'alternative' researches, just always have the aliens as beings who are so stupid, but they control mankind. Because apparently they are THAT stupid, right?

#27

I hear that Saturn is associated with the root chakra.

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Ok, it's just a coincidence that the words lunatic and moon are linked and I'm sorry for spamming other websites, I didn't think it was wrong.
But putting a spaceship that looks like a natural satellite to use it to provoke suffering on the earth's population so they can feed doesn't seem STUPID to me.

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TopoftheAbysssaid:

Ok, it's just a coincidence that the words lunatic and moon are linked and I'm sorry for spamming other websites, I didn't think it was wrong.
But putting a spaceship that looks like a natural satellite to use it to provoke suffering on the earth's population so they can feed doesn't seem STUPID to me.

Yes, because if something has a name in English, this justifies anything, and therefore MacDonalds, if an alien is named Mac and is an evil alien, actually makes Mac Donalds his very creation.

If you had more spiritual knowledge rather than ignorance, you would see for example, that LUNACY means a disease of the Yang or Female side of the soul, which is is ruled by the moon and the Shakti element, rather than saying that the moon is made of cheese and that this turned everyone into being fat.

I just answer you to show you there is another dimension here.

A lot of spiritual concepts have been physicalized and grossly represented by a lot of Alien theorists. This seems to be deliberate.

#30

Great sermon HC.
I completely agree that, while Saturn energies can be helpful at times, they need to be used with care.

To share one of my own experiences with using Saturn energies:

Roughly one year ago, I spammed saturn squares with the affirmation 'In a positive way for me, I am not afraid of death', or something along these lines. I first did some spiritual squares on it and they actually had somewhat positive effects on me mentally. However, once I decided to try a material square for it, things went downhill fast. The first few days it was still somewhat fine, I just got mildly sick with the flu. But as I got closer to the square's completion, it got more and more intense. Then, I believe it was on the 8th day of the square, when I went to bed at night, I started getting a fuzzy, almost 'crawling' feeling in my hands and wrists. It got more and more intense by the minute, until after a while my hands started cramping up harder and harder. At that point, I was already breathing violently, and then finally decided to loudly call out to my mother, who was thankfully in the room next door. I used to have my room door locked at night and at that point, my hands were so cramped up I couldn't even turn the key. My dad had to bust the door open for them to get into my room. After that, with some treatment and a docor house-visit, I got better again.
I believe that the energies I raised may have attempted to take my fear of death by giving me a near-death experience or something, but leaving myself in such a vulnerable state was an insanely stupid move regardless. I was pretty much defenseless, which likely also invited all sorts of enemy attacks. All in all this was probably the most retarded thing I've done yet.
This is the kind of stuff that can happen if you mess around with saturn energies too much. I hope that sharing this fuck-up of mine will inspire some serious thought in anyone who is considering to do a saturn square. Be careful and don't make the same stupid mistake as me.

Thanks for reading.

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This is the targeted message.

Saturn rules the Magnum Opus the Mithraism system which dominated and came from the east the highest level of finishing the Opus is ruled by Saturn.

The reaping and sowing has to do with opening the physical channels of the body with seeds the seed mantra's to transform the body and soul together the sickle is a serpent symbol it relates to Leo the serpent tail which is shown in the sign on Saturn note as weapon like instrument it relates to cutting away the dross or opening channels like the swords in the Tarot. The actual planet glyph for Saturn is the risen serpent as well. Note the pair the crown is inverted symbol of Saturn showing a union of polarity with the serpent. Saturn symbolism is also in the Yoga Sutra's when it talks of transforming the body.

The purpose of the Magnum Opus which came from the Mithraism system in Europe, is it goes up eight notes an octave starting with Saturn and then ending with Saturn in the higher octave which represents the transformed body with the Opus finished into immortality. Saturn rules the physical note the element of earth contains all the other elements within it. Just as the body contains this and the soul the associated energy bodies within it. Saturn was the King that ruled the Golden Age of immortality. This is Saturn in the higher octave and what the person can accomplish within themselves with spiritual practice.

The festival of Saturn is the date of the finishing of the Alchemical year in the ancient world. When the sun enters Capricorn. Note the Capricorn symbol is the ancient Baphomet in Sumeria and India the Goat Fish which shows the union of opposites in India its the symbol of Murugan and Enki in Sumeria the same deity. Also note the other horned mountain animal Aries is the first sign and Pisces the Fish is the last sign.

Something to consider the Serpent is the symbol of the Earth chakra in Hinduism the fire altar is the root chakra with the fire the blazing serpent fire going upwards to the crown or heaven. The whole Vedic religion was built on the Yagya the fire rituals. Its was a mandala of alchemy if one gets into that followed the alchemical year with the internal rituals or Tapa's the exercises that create inner heat.

The Yezidhi's have the serpent they shown standing up they call "wisdom" they also have another serpent they shown coiled in the Hindu style. The sitting serpent is how the King Cobra sits on the ground it coils three and a half times. The standing or Wisdom is the serpent risen. In Hinduism the symbol of the root chakra is the serpent coiled three and a half times. Brahma is also shown here as the Creator of the Earth and what that relates to the serpent energy and its power. Note Brahma's consort is shown on a Peacock. The serpent and the Peacock.

Before the Yezidhi's enter their Temple they kiss the symbol of the standing serpent on the side of the Temple door. They also take the Tilak on their forehead like in Hindu India. The Kissing of the Serpent relates to a deep alchemical internal practice.