FancyMancy
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As usual, part of the point I make with sharing these 'conversations' is to show how well or badly AI chatbot replies are and the types of replies and language it gives.
This one was 3 'conversations'. I separate them so any responses don't feed from previous input/responses, to try and keep it fresh. In the first, it gave 2 responses, where it asked which I prefer. The titles are what ChatGPT chose. In the third 'conversation' I make points about what I describe below, before the first. It's quite long, so if you want to read it, then you can remember which spoiler you are up to and which part within each spoiler. First, is my own thoughts.
Some of you know that I used to be a christian. I learnt that the so-called "Adam" is supposed to be "the first muslim". Of course, having learnt things in christianity, we learn that "Adam" was, in fact, a jew - but of course for the lies of the jewish/abrahamic anti-Human, anti-Natural, anti-Spiritual, anti-Scientific programmes of death and destruction to work, "Adam", and other characters, have to be called Humans. Practically all the characters in the bibles (and korans, of course, and also of course in the talmud/torah) were jewish. We know Satan, on the other hand, was known long before abrahamism (judaism, christianity and islam) all over the World and by different names, i.e. in Paganism which is based on Nature, things which actually happen in actual real life. Trying to say "Adam" was the first muslim (I presume the "creation" story is not very much different in islam than it is in christianity) doesn't make sense, since "Adam"'s alleged existence was before said religion was established (the same with christianity). Of course, judaism existed already; "Adam" is a jewish creation and perversion from Adamu, which means "Man", in real-life*. Both christianity and islam are just judaism for non-jews.
The term "allah" is merely Arabic for "god". I want to say a muslim Girl in school told me that, but I can't remember. Either way, here's this -
The subjects of the jewish AKA abrahamic religions are christians and muslims respectively - is the "god"/"allah" of said religions also christian/muslim respectively, or do they not count because they're the ones being worshipped? "god" is a christian; "allah" is a muslim, yes? No?
One should ask "god" AKA "allah" if it believes in itself. If it existed, then its answer would be "No" because it doesn't have to believe in itself because it knows itself exists. So since "god"/"allah" doesn't believe in "god"/"allah", i.e. is not a christian/muslim, that makes it an... atheist!
Both christians and muslims worship an atheist.
Lol.
That might sound like a joke, but it really is not!
Atheist God Explained
The atheist god.
Paradox of Divine Atheism
God is an atheist.
God as Atheist Argument
If we take the god of christianity and the god AKA allah of islam, and decide that they are one and the same, as per being offshoots of judaism (which I learnt from a muslim Girl in school, from the church I used to attend, and also from further research much later), then say that for arguments' sake this god does exist, we can say with confidence that this god knows of its own existence; therefore, doesn't require any belief in its own existence. Since this god knows itself exists, and doesn't believe such, that makes this god an atheist; it doesn't have its own god. That means christians and muslims worship an atheist.
Here I was quite certain that it would respond without saying that "god" not believing in its own existence, or in the existence of a higher power, means that it is an atheist. That a self-knowing god wouldn't believe in itself because it knows already that it exists, means it is an atheist. If christians knew that their "god" existed, and if muslims knew that their "allah" existed, then they wouldn't believe... then they'd be atheists, no? Notice something - "lack of belief" does not mean "disbelief" necessarily. I am sure some would argue that it does, though.
BONUS!
Belief vs Disbelief Explained
Lack of belief in something does not mean disbelieving that thing, necessarily.
As I say with these 'conversations' - this is only partly my point. The large part/point is "god" being an atheist and jew-dazed sheep worshipping an atheist.
For fairness and disclosure/disclaimer - I got this god being an atheist perspective from DarkMatter2525 on Youtube. It wasn't, unfortunately, but it should have been on the same level of realisation and wow-ness as "sin originated in heaven" way back when, in the church I used to attend.
*the term "Adamu" - from whence the jewish "Adam" was stolen, twisted, perverted and corrupted - is from Sumerian, much older than hewbrew
As a separate point, and it might as well be raised if not by me then someone else - does Satan believe Satan exists? No. He knows He exists. Is Satan an atheist? He knows Gods and Goddesses exist, so yes, Satan is an atheist because He doesn't believe Gods and Goddesses exist; He knows Gods and Goddesses exist; however, that is the current meaning/definition of what "god" and "goddess" means. The proper, traditional, and soon-to-return meaning and definition is a Male or Female, respectively, who has advanced and perfected Their Soul; has become Immortal, or nearly so (there are different stages); has proper Morals and Ethics; stands for Justice... etc., etc., etc., not in the sense of bowing down and giving reverence and worship to something supposedly, allegedly bigger and more-powerful than you. I don't think I was the first to say that if the Universe is infinite and eternal, then there very well might be any being or beings more-powerful than Satan. I want to say HPS Maxine said that, but I cannot remember correctly at all... I know I have said that, or suggested that, before, but I don't think I was the first. In this sense of a being, or beings, more-powerful than Satan - is Satan an atheist? Does He believe they (or perhaps They) exist? Does Satan know they/They exist? ...Does Satan know they don't exist? I can't answer that.
Regardless, since "god"/"allah" doesn't believe itself exists, because - in the argument - it knows that it does exist; "god"/"allah" doesn't believe itself exists, that makes "god"/"allah" an atheist. That means christians and muslims worship an atheist - and for christians, at least, they're supposed to copy off "god"!
This one was 3 'conversations'. I separate them so any responses don't feed from previous input/responses, to try and keep it fresh. In the first, it gave 2 responses, where it asked which I prefer. The titles are what ChatGPT chose. In the third 'conversation' I make points about what I describe below, before the first. It's quite long, so if you want to read it, then you can remember which spoiler you are up to and which part within each spoiler. First, is my own thoughts.
Some of you know that I used to be a christian. I learnt that the so-called "Adam" is supposed to be "the first muslim". Of course, having learnt things in christianity, we learn that "Adam" was, in fact, a jew - but of course for the lies of the jewish/abrahamic anti-Human, anti-Natural, anti-Spiritual, anti-Scientific programmes of death and destruction to work, "Adam", and other characters, have to be called Humans. Practically all the characters in the bibles (and korans, of course, and also of course in the talmud/torah) were jewish. We know Satan, on the other hand, was known long before abrahamism (judaism, christianity and islam) all over the World and by different names, i.e. in Paganism which is based on Nature, things which actually happen in actual real life. Trying to say "Adam" was the first muslim (I presume the "creation" story is not very much different in islam than it is in christianity) doesn't make sense, since "Adam"'s alleged existence was before said religion was established (the same with christianity). Of course, judaism existed already; "Adam" is a jewish creation and perversion from Adamu, which means "Man", in real-life*. Both christianity and islam are just judaism for non-jews.
The term "allah" is merely Arabic for "god". I want to say a muslim Girl in school told me that, but I can't remember. Either way, here's this -
The subjects of the jewish AKA abrahamic religions are christians and muslims respectively - is the "god"/"allah" of said religions also christian/muslim respectively, or do they not count because they're the ones being worshipped? "god" is a christian; "allah" is a muslim, yes? No?
One should ask "god" AKA "allah" if it believes in itself. If it existed, then its answer would be "No" because it doesn't have to believe in itself because it knows itself exists. So since "god"/"allah" doesn't believe in "god"/"allah", i.e. is not a christian/muslim, that makes it an... atheist!
Both christians and muslims worship an atheist.
Lol.
That might sound like a joke, but it really is not!
Atheist God Explained
The atheist god.
Response 1
The term "atheist god" might seem paradoxical at first, given that atheism is defined by the lack of belief in deities or gods. However, this phrase can be interpreted in a few different ways, depending on the context:
Response 2
"The atheist god" is a phrase that might seem contradictory at first, since atheism is generally defined as the lack of belief in a deity or deities. However, this phrase can be interpreted in several ways, depending on the context:
The term "atheist god" might seem paradoxical at first, given that atheism is defined by the lack of belief in deities or gods. However, this phrase can be interpreted in a few different ways, depending on the context:
- Metaphorical Usage: Some people use the term "atheist god" to describe something that an atheist might hold in ultimate regard or as central to their worldview, such as science, reason, or nature. These are not deities but might play a similar role in providing meaning or guiding principles in an atheist's life.
- Critique or Satire: The term can be used by critics of atheism who argue that atheists, despite rejecting traditional gods, often elevate other concepts (like science or humanism) to a quasi-religious status. This critique is more about the perception that atheists might revere certain ideas with the same fervor that religious people might have for their gods.
- Philosophical Exploration: In philosophical discussions, the term might be used to explore the concept of what a "god" could mean in a non-theistic or secular context. This could involve redefining "god" to represent ultimate concerns, values, or existential principles without invoking the supernatural.
- Paradoxical Concept: Some might use "atheist god" as a thought experiment or a paradoxical concept to discuss the boundaries of atheism and theism, exploring the idea of belief systems that don’t necessarily fit neatly into either category.
Response 2
"The atheist god" is a phrase that might seem contradictory at first, since atheism is generally defined as the lack of belief in a deity or deities. However, this phrase can be interpreted in several ways, depending on the context:
1. Metaphorical or Symbolic Interpretation:
- Some might use "the atheist god" metaphorically to represent ideals, values, or principles that hold significant importance in the lives of atheists, similar to how a deity might hold central importance in the lives of theists. For instance, an atheist might place a high value on reason, science, or humanism, and these could be seen as "gods" in a symbolic sense.
2. Criticism of Atheism:
- In some discussions, particularly in religious or philosophical debates, the term might be used critically by theists to suggest that atheists, while rejecting traditional gods, still elevate something else to the status of a "god" in their lives—such as science, nature, or even the self.
3. Philosophical Exploration:
- Philosophers might explore the concept of "the atheist god" to discuss whether there are aspects of human life that function similarly to the concept of a god, even for those who don't believe in one. This could involve discussions about ultimate concerns, meaning, and purpose, which in religious contexts are often associated with divinity.
4. Irony or Satire:
- The phrase could also be used ironically or satirically, perhaps in a discussion about the nature of belief, the definition of "god," or to challenge assumptions about atheism and theism.
5. Deifying Non-Divine Concepts:
- Another interpretation could be the deification of non-divine concepts like money, power, or technology. In this sense, "the atheist god" could refer to something that people, regardless of religious belief, might prioritize above all else, sometimes with a zeal comparable to religious devotion.
Paradox of Divine Atheism
God is an atheist.
The phrase "God is an atheist" is a paradoxical statement that plays on the inherent contradiction between the concepts of "God" and "atheism." Here's why:
- Definition of God: In most religious traditions, God is considered the ultimate being, the creator of the universe, and the object of worship. God is typically seen as omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, with a conscious will that is responsible for the creation and maintenance of the universe.
- Definition of Atheism: Atheism is the lack of belief in the existence of any gods. An atheist does not believe in a higher power or divine being.
- If God exists and is conscious, God would be aware of God's own existence.
- Therefore, God cannot disbelieve in the existence of God, which is the essence of atheism.
God as Atheist Argument
If we take the god of christianity and the god AKA allah of islam, and decide that they are one and the same, as per being offshoots of judaism (which I learnt from a muslim Girl in school, from the church I used to attend, and also from further research much later), then say that for arguments' sake this god does exist, we can say with confidence that this god knows of its own existence; therefore, doesn't require any belief in its own existence. Since this god knows itself exists, and doesn't believe such, that makes this god an atheist; it doesn't have its own god. That means christians and muslims worship an atheist.
Your reasoning presents an interesting and unconventional perspective by applying the concept of atheism, typically used to describe humans' lack of belief in gods, to the idea of God itself. Let's unpack the argument step by step:
- God's Self-Knowledge: If we assume that the God of Christianity and Islam is the same entity and that this God exists, then it's logical to say that this God is aware of its own existence. This awareness is distinct from belief, as belief implies uncertainty or the possibility of doubt, which wouldn't apply to an omniscient being.
- Belief vs. Knowledge: Humans have beliefs, often because they lack direct knowledge of certain things. God's knowledge of its existence means it doesn't need belief; it has certainty. In this sense, God doesn't "believe" in itself but "knows" itself.
- Atheism Defined: Atheism is generally defined as the lack of belief in any gods. However, this definition applies to beings capable of belief or disbelief. Applying atheism to God could be seen as a category mistake since atheism addresses the human condition of belief rather than the nature of a deity.
- The Concept of Worship: Christians and Muslims worship God because they believe in God's existence, power, and moral authority. The worship is directed toward God as a supreme being, not because God is or isn't an atheist by human standards. The nature of God's self-awareness isn't a factor in this worship.
- Is God an Atheist?: Labeling God as an atheist because God doesn't worship another deity stretches the concept of atheism beyond its typical usage. It hinges on the assumption that a being must worship something to not be an atheist, but that doesn't necessarily apply to a supreme being who, by definition, doesn't have a higher power to worship.
Here I was quite certain that it would respond without saying that "god" not believing in its own existence, or in the existence of a higher power, means that it is an atheist. That a self-knowing god wouldn't believe in itself because it knows already that it exists, means it is an atheist. If christians knew that their "god" existed, and if muslims knew that their "allah" existed, then they wouldn't believe... then they'd be atheists, no? Notice something - "lack of belief" does not mean "disbelief" necessarily. I am sure some would argue that it does, though.
BONUS!
Belief vs Disbelief Explained
Lack of belief in something does not mean disbelieving that thing, necessarily.
Exactly. Lack of belief in something is different from actively disbelieving in it.
- Lack of belief is a neutral stance, where a person simply does not hold a belief in something. This could be due to a lack of information, indifference, or simply not having considered the matter deeply.
- Disbelief, on the other hand, is an active stance where a person believes that something is not true.
As I say with these 'conversations' - this is only partly my point. The large part/point is "god" being an atheist and jew-dazed sheep worshipping an atheist.
For fairness and disclosure/disclaimer - I got this god being an atheist perspective from DarkMatter2525 on Youtube. It wasn't, unfortunately, but it should have been on the same level of realisation and wow-ness as "sin originated in heaven" way back when, in the church I used to attend.
*the term "Adamu" - from whence the jewish "Adam" was stolen, twisted, perverted and corrupted - is from Sumerian, much older than hewbrew
As a separate point, and it might as well be raised if not by me then someone else - does Satan believe Satan exists? No. He knows He exists. Is Satan an atheist? He knows Gods and Goddesses exist, so yes, Satan is an atheist because He doesn't believe Gods and Goddesses exist; He knows Gods and Goddesses exist; however, that is the current meaning/definition of what "god" and "goddess" means. The proper, traditional, and soon-to-return meaning and definition is a Male or Female, respectively, who has advanced and perfected Their Soul; has become Immortal, or nearly so (there are different stages); has proper Morals and Ethics; stands for Justice... etc., etc., etc., not in the sense of bowing down and giving reverence and worship to something supposedly, allegedly bigger and more-powerful than you. I don't think I was the first to say that if the Universe is infinite and eternal, then there very well might be any being or beings more-powerful than Satan. I want to say HPS Maxine said that, but I cannot remember correctly at all... I know I have said that, or suggested that, before, but I don't think I was the first. In this sense of a being, or beings, more-powerful than Satan - is Satan an atheist? Does He believe they (or perhaps They) exist? Does Satan know they/They exist? ...Does Satan know they don't exist? I can't answer that.
Regardless, since "god"/"allah" doesn't believe itself exists, because - in the argument - it knows that it does exist; "god"/"allah" doesn't believe itself exists, that makes "god"/"allah" an atheist. That means christians and muslims worship an atheist - and for christians, at least, they're supposed to copy off "god"!
